Goshawk imprint info

[BasenjisHunt]

Hi All,
Would someone define the different imprinting types for Accipiters(specifically Goshawks), and a brief pro-con with reasons why? imprint...dual imprint...chamber raised...parent raised(reared?)...tame hacked.-Thanks,Tim

[SSL]

Hi All,
Would someone define the different imprinting types for Accipiters(specifically Goshawks), and a brief pro-con with reasons why? imprint...dual imprint...chamber raised...parent raised(reared?)...tame hacked.-Thanks,Tim

Imprint, eyass raised from a chick by human parent. Apparently fly game stronger, will take AI, scream like banshees.

Dual imprint, synchronous - raised by human and bird parent at the same time, asynchronous - raised by human and bird parent in series. Apparently breed with human and bird partners (natural and AI) allegedly dont scream.

Chamber raised, eyass raised by parent birds in a large chamber. Silent birds, can be fearful

Parent raised, as Chamber raised (maybe in an open fronted avairy?) Silent birds, more acustomed to the human world.

Tame hacked, good way of screwing up a good Gos. Have a fat Gos flying around doing what it wants maybe even killing from trees.

[BasenjisHunt]

Steve,
Thanks very much for the info. I'm a second year apprentice with a PFRT, but am interested in a Gos when I get my general license.-Tim

[Dean]

Socially imprinted, can be vocal, not always, excellent in the field! Can **** your house and marriage up!:yawinkle:

[SSL]

Socially imprinted, can be vocal, not always,

What about the early days of hunting? Have you known any socially imprinted Goshawks to not scream when dropped in weight to hunt?

[SSL]

Steve,
Thanks very much for the info. I'm a second year apprentice with a PFRT, but am interested in a Gos when I get my general license.-Tim

No problem Tim,

I take it you'll be wanting to pull an eyass?

[BasenjisHunt]

Steven,
Eyass, or trap a passage bird. I have a year to gather as much info as I can about different options. I've been out hunting with friends who have both types. I have to say the Brunotte's Gos's( Ms. Havoc & Billy Bob) are most impressive.-Tim

[Dean]

Steve,my social female was vocal on seeing me on the lawn,not to the extent of tongue hanging to the side,she was totally silent in the field unless she lost sight of me and was being recalled! My friend neil had a female that gently talked to him,both eyas,s,both almost totally silent once intermewed!

[MitchellBrad]

Hi All,
Would someone define the different imprinting types for Accipiters(specifically Goshawks), and a brief pro-con with reasons why? imprint...dual imprint...chamber raised...parent raised(reared?)...tame hacked.-Thanks,Tim

Tim,

Just remember you can't chuck an imprint. If everything goes S your stuck with the bird unless you can find someone to give it to. How about a passager or a fledged brancher? I knew a guy a long time ago who swore by taking birds still in family groups. It required work on his part to catch one but those he didn't like were easy enough to turn loose.

If you buy one then it's a whole different ballgame. Something I wouldn't know a thing about.

Brad

[BasenjisHunt]

Hi Brad,
I'm open to passage birds, for sure. I went out trapping with a friend this fall who was trying for one. I had alot of fun up in the mountains trapping. Very exciting! I definately like the idea of being able to let the bird go, if necessary. That is a plus. I'm told manning and training a passage bird is similar to a RT, except they remain alot more fearful, and it can be a problem to get them to eat for the first time? What's your experience?-Tim

[MitchellBrad]

Hi Brad,
I'm open to passage birds, for sure. I went out trapping with a friend this fall who was trying for one. I had alot of fun up in the mountains trapping. Very exciting! I definately like the idea of being able to let the bird go, if necessary. That is a plus. I'm told manning and training a passage bird is similar to a RT, except they remain alot more fearful, and it can be a problem to get them to eat for the first time? What's your experience?-Tim

I left the roundy winged birds a long time ago so anything I say would have to be taken with a grain of salt. I had a late taken passage male once and a haggard female given to me in the late 60s. By far the haggard was a sweetheart. The passage was a maniac. Redtails, passage and a single eyeas, I always got along well with. About the only advise I can give is to educate yourself about asper when dealing with gosses.

Brad

[BasenjisHunt]

Brad,
Good advice. I understand that one should proceed as if they have it(asper), and start treatment as soon as their trapped. Being a longwing guy for a while...do you know Rob Palmer?- ....Tim

[SSL]

Steven,
Eyass, or trap a passage bird. I have a year to gather as much info as I can about different options. I've been out hunting with friends who have both types. I have to say the Brunotte's Gos's( Ms. Havoc & Billy Bob) are most impressive.-Tim

Hi Tim,

If in your shoes I would opt for the passage bird, this may purely be down to the fact that this little right is not allowed in the UK though.

Good luck,

[SSL]

Steve,my social female was vocal on seeing me on the lawn,not to the extent of tongue hanging to the side,she was totally silent in the field unless she lost sight of me and was being recalled! My friend neil had a female that gently talked to him,both eyas,s,both almost totally silent once intermewed!

Neither were constant screamers from being initially dropped to getting wedded to quarry?

[Dean]

No mate,not constant,far from it,if they had have been they would have gone,we both lived on estates! I did have one female that i passed on to cliff bramhald that done my head in,this was my fault due to breaking socialising early!

[SSL]

No mate,not constant,far from it,if they had have been they would have gone,we both lived on estates! I did have one female that i passed on to cliff bramhald that done my head in,this was my fault due to breaking socialising early!

We both just constant socialisation without openly feeding? Any hints, tips or cheats? :cool:

[MitchellBrad]

Brad,
Good advice. I understand that one should proceed as if they have it(asper), and start treatment as soon as their trapped. Being a longwing guy for a while...do you know Rob Palmer?- ....Tim

Not well, we've talked a few times.

Both the passage gyrs I've flown and the two imprints were put on treatment. The passagers as soon as I got them eating, the imprints at hard penning.

I have had 3 eyeas gosses. 2 imprints and a brancher. None of them tipped over from asper but if I were to do it again I'd treat them. I did treat the passage male but not the haggard female. I released the haggard in the spring and gave teh male away.

Brad

[Jack]

If you are still a second year apprentice, do yourself a favor and if you have a 3 year permit, take abvantage of it and do the entire3 years. And when you upgrade to general class, don't be so anxious to move on to a goshawk. Let your experience advance a bit while flying RT's and other hawks that are more forgiving. Then start out with one of the more common accipiters, like a Cooper's hawk. A passage hawk at that. I am not trying to make it sound impossible, but I have to tell you that 2 years of apprenticeship is simply not going to prepare you for what you are looking at. The most you are going to do is break yourself from accipiters all together. The thing here is that even experienced falconers seldom know exactly how to go about raising an accipiter so that it is not a basket case. I don't care what anyone else thinks, an accipiter that kills loads of game is worthless to me if it is loath with ill habits and behaviors. There is nothing redeeming of a hawk that mantles and screams.

Jack

[BasenjisHunt]

HI Jack,
sent you a PM-Tim