Making a kind of false aylmeri

[Wilfred]

I will here start with making a tutorial for some type of false aylmeri. Maybe this is not the good name for it. But what i mean is the kind of aylmeri that I picture here. It is a great type of jess at least for sparrowhawk and goshawk. But i myself will probably also try it on peregrine falcon this year. I normally use the aylmeri, but this false type i like a lot on my spars and i think it suits falcons well also.

Below you find two pictures, one of the pattern for this kind of jess. The other is a picture of 2 pairs of these jesses. On this picture you see the small jesses that have to go throug the eyelets on the right. To me both part of the jess is too easy to make to put it also in this tutorial. To make the jesses you will just need:
1) A good pattern of this kind of jesses. The one below is good but you have to have good measurements for the kind of bird you want to use it for. The total length of the part on the pattern and the jesses displayed on the picture right on the right (the ones which go through the eyelet) has to be practical and ok. And the distance between the 2 slits displayed above on the left picture (the pattern) has to be very OK for the typical kind of BOP where the jess is used for.
2) Some good leather suitable for making jesses. I use kangaroo leather but have to say that the leather i used for the jesses displayed here is kangaroo but too thin and not really strong enough for making the jesses so i use bit thicker now.
3) Some pen and best carbon paper (well i use paper betweeen pattern and leather and then just go with a pen over the pattern and it is then also on the leather) to put the pattern on the leather
4) Some stanley knife to cut the jesses out of the leather. Maybe some punching tool to make punches for the ends of the slits. What i use instead, because the holes at both ends of slits may not be too big for spar, is a needle. Making 4 holes with the needle, 2 at both ends of the 2 slits, and then cuting from hole to hole.


Then you make some field and mews jesses that fit the false aylmeri jesses. Like the ones displayed below completely on the right.

When you made both the false aylmeri jess the part on the pattern and then the field and mews jesses, you put them in some leather oil or grease them with leather. And then they are ready to be put on the bird.


I will in this tutorial put up some pictures of my spar wearing the jesses. And then some pictures with explanation how to put the false aylmeri on the leg of the BOP.

The pattern and some picture of this type of false aylmeri jesses:

[Wilfred]

So we just start with some pictures of the jesses attached to a BOP. In this case my spar who did not oblige modelling a bit this morning she more and more likes being with me.

Below you will find the following pictures:
1) A picture that shows how the false aylmeri is attached to the spar leg. This is actually same fixing as with the traditional jess, since this part of the false aylmeri is just like a traditional jess setup.
2) A picture of the mews jess pulled through the eyelet that is put on the false aylmeri. This jess has to be pulled through completely the knot against the eyelet. But for the picture i pulled it bit back so that the eyelet can be seen also
3) A picture of the total setup. Jesses, swivel and leash for my spar. I did not clean the jesses and the like should be just fine the way it is for tutorial purposes.

This are pictures, 1-2-3.

[Leo 1]

So we just start with some pictures of the jesses attached to a BOP. In this case my spar who did not oblige modelling a bit this morning she more and more likes being with me.

Below you will find the following pictures:
1) A picture that shows how the false aylmeri is attached to the spar leg. This is actually same fixing as with the traditional jess, since this part of the false aylmeri is just like a traditional jess setup.
2) A picture of the mews jess pulled through the eyelet that is put on the false aylmeri.
3) A picture of the total setup. Jesses, swivel and leash for my spar. I did not clean the jesses and the like should be just fine the way it is for tutorial purposes.

This are pictures, 1-2-3.

wood thwy be any good for a hh

[Tim Laycock]

Fine for tethering so long as the false aylmeri eyelet is distanced so it cant be threaded by a talon.

Not ideal for flying even with slitless jesses.

[Misty]

thanks wilfred, that is the aylmeri I wanted to know about. Do you have any tutorial on the pattern etc. I would like to see it before it goes on birds leg, what is stoping the linger piece from undoing and slipping back through the hole?

[Misty]

Fine for tethering so long as the false aylmeri eyelet is distanced so it cant be threaded by a talon.

Not ideal for flying even with slitless jesses.

good comments that needed pointing out for newbies. :supz:

[Wilfred]

To get from the jesses made to them on the BOP, you will best ask some help from falconry friend or so actually. Or put the BOP on some perch if they are at ease enough to stay where they are when you attach the jesses. Fact is i myself change the spar jesses alone but it is not that comfortable takes some patience to do it alone.

Below you can see:
1) A picture with the tool i use to put the jess the false aylmeri part on. Then the false aylmeri (part of) jess. And a wooden pin that will represent the BOP leg.
2) The wooden pin on the jess. Or jess behind the "leg"
3) The traditional jess aspect/part of this false aylmeri put around the "leg" by flapping the left part end of jess around the "leg"

The rest of the tutorial ways of fixing the jess to the leg is explained further on by Blackbird. I kind of made a mistake with the fixing this morning and made wrong pictures. But the pictures of Blackbird are very clear

[FredrickFogg]

On most camera's, if you press the button down halfway, it will auto focus. LOL. Just kidding! Great thread, I like it when folks show pictures and explain. Good job! :supz: :supz:

Fred

[Wilfred]

My remarks to this tutorial are that the tutorial is one thing, but making proper jesses is another. To make them suit your BOP you will, like is remarked before, need of course the correct measures. I do not give them here since they are different for each BOP, and i simply only made them for spars till now. Anyone who wants to make them for spars can get dimensions from me when they ask. But for other BOP i have also to try the right dimensions. For the distance of the slits and the lenght of the false aylmeri and field/mews jesses. The slit distance for gos would just be same as slit distance on traditional jess for gos. I mean here distance of slits for the leg fixing.

Any questions or remarks are welcome. I might change this tutorial a bit also according to that. But for now i just leave out measurements and the like. Maybe some people who use same on gos can give me dimensions if not i will ask for that a friend of mine who use them on gos and actually gave me this idea of mix of traditional and aylmeri jess. I think this is great option for jesses.

[Tim Laycock]

Wilfred, you are fastening the traditional jess wrongly!

[Tim Laycock]

Bear with me and I will show you :yawinkle:

[Wilfred]

Bear with me and I will show you :yawinkle:


yes please. And like i said i understand that also this type of setup might have its disadvantages. Like each setup especially if you do not know the details. BUT i still think it is better for me to use than the aylmeri setup. At least with spars like i said i never had problems and just like it this way a lot. And i made tutorial since misty asked for it and refers to exactly this setup.

About fixing to the leg yes show it....

[Tim Laycock]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway001.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway002.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway003.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway004.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway005.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway006.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

Tying as I have shown prevents these areas from rubbing on the leg.

It has been known to be a problem with accipiters especialy.

[Wilfred]

Ehm..actually i do it the correct way on the BOP....pffff just was to quick with the pictures...and apparantly it is just like getting along with the spars and falcons..getting customs..but if you got to explain it you got to think about it..and made some stupid mistake there..will change..but well this tutorial is now too messed up for that got to see how to change it.

But i do it correctly. Thanks for noticing and also showing the disadvantages....

[Misty]

thanks Tim, excellent shots. any chance of a flat view showing where you would end measurements of leg and then put slits?
hope you understood that. :yawinkle:

[Tim Laycock]

Misty,
I have two "hand me down" tempates.

One for spars and one for goshawks, they are both a "one size fits all" kind of deal :yawinkle:

[Wilfred]

Just want to mention here also that blackbirds system of attaching jesses is actually also great probably. Maybe much better still then using other setups. But i myself just do not trust it well enough yet also because i just do not know it well enough. But there must be some tutorial here somewhere also or at least more than enough pictures of his setup. I have been thinking also to change to that might try it also in future.

[Parabuteo.de]

Hi,

I dont see any reason for changing a good working and reliable Almery into a "false Almery" or the old style traditional Jesses.

Both setups are not really a good working alternative.

The false Almery still has the risk of catching birds talons, lik shown in Emma Fords book, it might also produce the risk of getting caught during freeflight/hunting within briar patches or other thorny bushes. This is even a problem for the cover crashing Spars!

The old style jesses are not capable of changing from mews to hunting style and even if covered with ducttape they produce also the risk of getting caught during the hunt/free flight.

So why bother with suboptimal alternatives when the Almery can serve all we need!!!

All the best,

Claas :)

[Misty]

I don't want to use it, I was just interested to know how it was made:yawinkle:

[TimDog80]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway005.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Accipitrine/correctway006.jpg

spot on tim:supz:
thats the way i have made them for spars in the past while imprinting, cant remember where my templates were from, may have been liam o'broins book--a manual for hawking???

exellant tutorial and photo discription:supz:

regards
tim!!!

[Tim Laycock]

The old style jesses are not capable of changing from mews to hunting style and even if covered with ducttape they produce also the risk of getting caught during the hunt/free flight.

So why bother with suboptimal alternatives when the Almery can serve all we need!!!



Ignorant of old traditions! :roll:

Not all traditional jesses need a slit to house a swivel!

You assume and you post, Great :roll:

I cant even be bothered to show you now :roll:

[TimDog80]

Ignorant of old traditions!

Not all traditional jesses need a slit to house a swivel!

You assume and you post, Great :roll:

I cant even be bothered to show you now :roll:

dont let others miss out tim, show it mate im sure alot of others will appreciete it:!:

its alot easier to figure out from your pics than how some books show it!!!

reards
tim:D

[Misty]

dont let others miss out tim, show it mate im sure alot of others will appreciete it:!:

its alot easier to figure out from your pics than how some books show it!!!

reards
tim:D

I'll second that:supz:

[Parabuteo.de]

Ignorant of old traditions! :roll:

Not all traditional jesses need a slit to house a swivel!

You assume and you post, Great :roll:

I cant even be bothered to show you now :roll:

Dont know what upsetted you that way!

How do you want to house a swivel without a slit?

Please show it to as I do not know of any safe tethering method without slits or loops!

Claas :)

[TimDog80]

Dont know what upsetted you that way!

How do you want to house a swivel without a slit?

Please show it to as I do not know of any safe tethering method without slits or loops!

Claas :)

heres one for starters :yawinkle: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16130&highlight=false+almeri

[TimDog80]

Dont know what upsetted you that way!

How do you want to house a swivel without a slit?

Please show it to as I do not know of any safe tethering method without slits or loops!

Claas :)

another one, its at the bottom of the page:yawinkle: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17843&page=24&highlight=redtail

[Dude]

This kind of false aylmeri used by a friend on goses:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010033-1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010034.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010035.jpg

[Dude]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010036-2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010038-1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010039-1.jpg

[Dude]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/P1010041-3.jpg

[Parabuteo.de]

another one, its at the bottom of the page:yawinkle: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17843&page=24&highlight=redtail

Hi Tim,

I know both alternatives you mention, but I dont think that they are as safe as a correct almery/swivel or traditional jess/swivel combination!!

Thanks for linkin´ up the threads.

Claas :)

[Black Ven]

i have used jesses like these for years with no problems but you need to make sure that with age the aylmeri and jess combination does not stretch and become too long.
prestretched or good quality leather avoids this.

[Dude]

Another friend used that type what I posted for female golden eagle, when he work in a film with her. he used that type, coz its easy to get of and put on.

[Tim Laycock]

I know both alternatives you mention, but I dont think that they are as safe as a correct almery/swivel or traditional jess/swivel combination!!


Just because you think its better does not make it correct :rolleyes:

If you dont choose to use it then fair enough 8-)
Does not mean that its incorrect!

[Parabuteo.de]

Just because you think its better does not make it correct :rolleyes:

If you dont choose to use it then fair enough 8-)
Does not mean that its incorrect!

Please explain your statement! Why do you think that the two other
methods of fixing the jesses are better?

Claas :)

[TexasFalconer]

Just because you think its better does not make it correct :rolleyes:

If you dont choose to use it then fair enough 8-)
Does not mean that its incorrect!


I'll take a brass grommet over a slit in leather any day, thank you.

[Tim Laycock]

Please explain your statement! Why do you think that the two other
methods of fixing the jesses are better?

Claas :)

Not better, just different.

Does not mean its incorrect!

[Tim Laycock]

I'll take a brass grommet over a slit in leather any day, thank you.

Would you care to expand upon this curt statment?

It will hopefully have a context to take it in then.

[TexasFalconer]

Curt?????

Perhaps you should re-read what Parabuteo.de's wrote. As I interpreted his post, he wasn't calling false aylmeri jesses "incorrect." He's stating that he doesn't feel that they are as safe as a correct (ie, properly made and maintained) aylmeri/swivel combination. Having used both, I agree with him, hence my statement concerning trusting brass grommeted traditional aylmeri over slitted false aylmeri jesses. To each his own.

It wasn't my intention to be "curt" in quoting you. That said, I'll take being mistakenly considered "curt" over your rude and unbelievably arrogant response to other individual's posts on this forum:

Ignorant of old traditions! :roll:

Not all traditional jesses need a slit to house a swivel!

You assume and you post, Great :roll:

I cant even be bothered to show you now :roll:

[Tim Laycock]

I dont think either of us made a mistake if you read it back!
Thankyou for the clarification regarding your "curt" post <g>

I think that I understand what your driving at but disagree with what I think you mean.
Which slit are you refering to?
The slits that the traditional jess is passed through?

Just trying to understand what you mean before I offer my views on it.

What is rude to one man is nothing more than straight talking to another, I dont have time to blow sunshine up peoples assholes!

[Parabuteo.de]

Curt?????

Perhaps you should re-read what Parabuteo.de's wrote. As I interpreted his post, he wasn't calling false aylmeri jesses "incorrect." He's stating that he doesn't feel that they are as safe as a correct (ie, properly made and maintained) aylmeri/swivel combination. Having used both, I agree with him, hence my statement concerning trusting brass grommeted traditional aylmeri over slitted false aylmeri jesses. To each his own.

It wasn't my intention to be "curt" in quoting you. That said, I'll take being mistakenly considered "curt" over your rude and unbelievably arrogant response to other individual's posts on this forum:

Thank you for your assistance! There could have been some communocational problems within my and blackbirds posts.

But I am of your opinion!!

As I am german, my english is far from being perfect and thats the reason why i dont know "curt".
Could you please explain it to me?

Claas :)

[Tim Laycock]

Saying that you use the correct setup implies that other setups are incorrect, not right, wrong etc

If this was not your meaning then it would seem there was a misunderstanding.

[Parabuteo.de]

Saying that you use the correct setup implies that other setups are incorrect, not right, wrong etc

If this was not your meaning then it would seem there was a misunderstanding.

Think so! I did not mean that the others are incorrect, I just wanted
to say that it seems safer for me to use either a traditional or an aylmeri
jess, thats all.

Dont want to create any misunderstanding, but english is a foreign
language and I cant use it like my own language.

Claas :)

[Tim Laycock]

Dont want to create any misunderstanding, but english is a foreign
language and I cant use it like my own language.


A fact that is all too often forgotten here, for my part I appologise unreservedly!

[Tim Laycock]

I think that I understand what your driving at but disagree with what I think you mean.
Which slit are you refering to?
The slits that the traditional jess is passed through?


Any advance?
If your replying it must be a long one :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

I need to know why it is felt that an aylmeri is safer than a traditional jess

[Wilfred]

I need to know why it is felt that an aylmeri is safer than a traditional jess


I think because what generally is thought about the traditional jess, that they really have to be fixed to the swivel with slits. If you use them the way you do, the disadvantage of the slits is not there. But if there are slits, think anyone would agree aylmeri is saver by changing the mews for field jesses.

[Tim Laycock]

Wilfred,
I think some people think that but I think most think its safer because if a bird went feral in could pull the flying jesses out and be unencumbered by them :rolleyes:
But....with a 3/8" hole at the side of its leg waiting to be threaded by a branch!
This would give the perfect leverage to break a leg.