What Hope's do you have for breeding this season via imprint's

[Peregrine1]

I have just finished cleaning today a final jet wash and disinfect the yard and outside area. The pens where cleaned internally abit back, and could just do with a lick preserver on the outside. And I finally Started to think how The season would pan out, will one of the young males start giving semen?, will another falcon start laying?, will a older falcon stop?, the list goes on. So has any one else got anything to look forward to or any plans? Good luck to all hope all goes well for anyone striving to breed.
Regards
Colin

[Bones]

lovely looking birds mate

PAUL

[OutHawkn]

Biggest hope is to make a couple of tri-breds for myself. Gyr/peregrine/prairies!

[MitchellBrad]

Even in this blizzard the peales are copulating.

All I really want to do is to go hawking. My excitement will start in August<G>

Brad

[Hawkmaster]

I have changed locations and it seems like both female Goshawks are ready and the Bravian import is way ahead and dying for it!

All I need now it the good old :heart: juice!

[Slope-Soar]

A bit of a pro breeder ,from looking at your birds and pens,:supz: pal

[Sprout]

Good luck Colin. Hope you have a good season.....well chuffed with my pereXprairie from last year, did the biz for me!!:supz:

[Tim Laycock]

Started making a nest with the Gos today :heart:
(Karl and I were taking a short cut across fields last night and we found a huge pile of cropped conifer.
We filled my shogun to the roof. Karl said it was enough for two eagle nests! :shock:)

[Peregrine1]

Biggest hope is to make a couple of tri-breds for myself. Gyr/peregrine/prairies!

Good luck I hope it happen's for you is it looking likely.
Regards
Colin.

[Peregrine1]

Even in this blizzard the peales are copulating.

All I really want to do is to go hawking. My excitement will start in August<G>

Brad

I am looking forward to the season as well, with getting more and opportunities and different land to fly on :)
Regards
Colin

[PeregrinesUK]

Working with Holly at the minute my young female peregrine hopefully she will lay for the first time and if not we be all set for 08 season. Mike

[Peregrine1]

A bit of a pro breeder ,from looking at your birds and pens,:supz: pal

Not to bad for the back of a semi, my nieghbour's love me :)
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

I have changed locations and it seems like both female Goshawks are ready and the Bravian import is way ahead and dying for it!

All I need now it the good old :heart: juice!

Hope all goes well you get some eggs and and juice and it result's in chick's
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Good luck Colin. Hope you have a good season.....well chuffed with my pereXprairie from last year, did the biz for me!!:supz:

Cheer's Karl I think all the Pere/Prairies have done well, hope he carries on well next season.
Regards
Colin

[Austringer84]

This seems a good start to a thread. I am just looking forward to next season and hopefully imprinting a spar. hope everyones breeding goes well.

si

[Jeremiah Johnson]

The main goal this year is to bred one Female Redtail from two of the "new" pairs I have put together ... Meaning I have a home bred unrelated pair to put down for beeding ..

My target is 10 birds bred ..

luggars are looking good (scraped)
Lanners not scraped but confident they will
spars are nest building
Old Pair reds courting
HH's well into it will lay soon

Jez

[Peregrine1]

Started making a nest with the Gos today :heart:
(Karl and I were taking a short cut across fields last night and we found a huge pile of cropped conifer.
We filled my shogun to the roof. Karl said it was enough for two eagle nests! :shock:)

So its you and Karl responible for global warming :) Confir plantations beware
eagles need nests! I really hope Karl breeds a eagle or two, he's put some hard work in.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Working with Holly at the minute my young female peregrine hopefully she will lay for the first time and if not we be all set for 08 season. Mike

Good look Mike you put the work and you're imprints are spot on, so if not this year it will be next.
Regards

[Peregrine1]

This seems a good start to a thread. I am just looking forward to next season and hopefully imprinting a spar. hope everyones breeding goes well.

si

Cheer's I hope you get you're Spar and things go well.
Regards
Colin

[Hawkmaster]

You doing some courses again Col?

[Peregrine1]

The main goal this year is to bred one Female Redtail from two of the "new" pairs I have put together ... Meaning I have a home bred unrelated pair to put down for beeding ..

My target is 10 birds bred ..

luggars are looking good (scraped)
Lanners not scraped but confident they will
spars are nest building
Old Pair reds courting
HH's well into it will lay soon

Jez

Good luck with you're project.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

You doing some courses again Col?

I don't mind the people coming over for the odd day. Best time would be around mid may should still be inseminating should be eggs in the Incubator
and a few chick's around. So a little more to see.
Regards
Colin

[Elly]

Best of luck with the breeding season Colin, hope you have plenty of success.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

How much would you be charging Col:wink:

[Liam Fensome]

My 06 teircel peregrine is becoming very vocal towards me just another couple of years and i may have some seman

atb
Liam

[Kentish Falconry]

Hope you have a good season Colin. Personally I am past caring about it. You know how you feel at the end of a hard season? well I feel like it now and it is just about to start. Will have to try and find someone to run the project next year so i can take a back seat I am burnt out.
Terry

[Quiver]

How much would you be charging Col:wink:

hello colin, i too would like to come and learn, i was interested last year but never heard anything back. all the best chris.

[Liam Fensome]

Will have to try and find someone to run the project next year so i can take a back seat I am burnt out.
Terry


I will Do it for free

atb
Liam

[Kentish Falconry]

I will Do it for free

atb
Liam

If you were older Liam I would let you do it but I don't think you would be up to it yet at your age.
It is not just the breeding, rearing, marketing and spending a fair bit of time in Gulf and other Countries there is so much to do and I would not ask anyone to do it for nothing. The right person would be on wages plus a % of the turn over. Just a shame Simon left he had no idea I was going to give him a partnership and teach him how to do the Incubation & AI side of breeding and let him go to the Gulf instead of me, his loss not mine but it will be someone else's gain eventually.
Terry

[Peregrine1]

hello colin, i too would like to come and learn, i was interested last year but never heard anything back. all the best chris.

Tried emailing you last year, you can come no problems I have sent you a PM
Regards
Colin

[Java Falconer]

Sorry to be OOT, but any chance of me seeing copulate falcon pics?

Tx!

[Peregrine1]

How much would you be charging Col:wink:

No charge this AI is not rocket Science you get semen and put it into a standing female, The time spent making the imprints is the secret. I think that's what the most important aspect, for me anyway. So no charge I don't mind a few people thats generally interested in falcons poping round for the day or odd hour, as a few did last season. I must state that it is a small one man project.
And not loads to see so if you are easily bored :)
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

My 06 teircel peregrine is becoming very vocal towards me just another couple of years and i may have some seman

atb
Liam
Liam
He might give at 2 especially if he's been flown. Good luck
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Hope you have a good season Colin. Personally I am past caring about it. You know how you feel at the end of a hard season? well I feel like it now and it is just about to start. Will have to try and find someone to run the project next year so i can take a back seat I am burnt out.
Terry

Terry
I get fed up towards the end, its not hard work for me (except the dreaded pea gravel routine out with the old in with the new 6 tons by bucket :( ) but as you say at the end of the season the long hours do take its toll, and to be honest it takes the shine off looking towards the hunting season. But once I start flying a falcon I really began to enjoy it. At the moment I am looking forward to see if any of the younger falcons come in, and produce.If not it could be a lean season for me as I have moved 2 proven imprints on to make room for imprint Peregrine Falcons. Hope you muster up a strenght to carry on
and produce some top class falcons,
regards
Colin

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry
I get fed up towards the end, its not hard work for me (except the dreaded pea gravel routine out with the old in with the new 6 tons by bucket :( ) but as you say at the end of the season the long hours do take its toll, and to be honest it takes the shine off looking towards the hunting season. But once I start flying a falcon I really began to enjoy it. At the moment I am looking forward to see if any of the younger falcons come in, and produce.If not it could be a lean season for me as I have moved 2 proven imprints on to make room for imprint Peregrine Falcons. Hope you muster up a strenght to carry on
and produce some top class falcons,
regards
Colin

Hunting Season what is one of those? By the time I have finished selling birds and chasing payments, cleaning chambers there is no Hunting season left. I also whish I only had to move 6 ton of Pea Shingle about I have used about 65 ton so far and need another 10/15 ton for the Hack pen but can't push the wheelbarrow accross the Padock as it is too wet at the moment and it just sinks.

[Hound]

Hunting Season what is one of those? By the time I have finished selling birds and chasing payments, cleaning chambers there is no Hunting season left. I also whish I only had to move 6 ton of Pea Shingle about I have used about 65 ton so far and need another 10/15 ton for the Hack pen but can't push the wheelbarrow accross the Padock as it is too wet at the moment and it just sinks.

terry
give me shout i come down and spend a day or 2 giving you hand just so i can see some more of your quality birds

[Kentish Falconry]

terry
give me shout i come down and spend a day or 2 giving you hand just so i can see some more of your quality birds

Thanks Andy will be in touch M8
Terry :supz:

[Peregrine1]

We hope one or two of the young Jerkin's kick in and give a little semen a couple of them look promising :)
Regards
Colin

[ChrisRobbo]

First attempt at breeding with an imprint for me. She is on a scrape at the minute we built together :heart:

Madly deeply in love with me all i need now is the first egg. In general when would you expect sakers to start laying?

This is my first attempt but all is going well. She did start scraping on the floor today for a bit but she prefers her nest ledge. One thing i have noticed is how much of a change in temperament! She is a pleasure at the minute.

I'm hopefully going to put gyr or pere in her but havn't decided finaly yet.

One things for sure though i am getting a buzz out of it strangely :supz:

ATB Chris

[Peregrine1]

First attempt at breeding with an imprint for me. She is on a scrape at the minute we built together :heart:

Madly deeply in love with me all i need now is the first egg. In general when would you expect sakers to start laying?

This is my first attempt but all is going well. She did start scraping on the floor today for a bit but she prefers her nest ledge. One thing i have noticed is how much of a change in temperament! She is a pleasure at the minute.

I'm hopefully going to put gyr or pere in her but havn't decided finaly yet.

One things for sure though i am getting a buzz out of it strangely :supz:

ATB Chris

Good luck it looks to be going well, as her cloea started to swell?
Regards
Colin

[ChrisRobbo]

Good luck it looks to be going well, as her cloea started to swell?
Regards
Colin

Not to a huge degree but i feel an egg is imminent within the next few weeks i plan to inseminate after the first egg and pull the first two of the clutch then let her raise them naturally although i have incubators available if needed.

It is a very steep learning curve but i hope i will grasp it in time.

Are any of your falcons making scrapes and standing like mine yet? Although she has not fully exposed her cloea yet!

FEW more pics..........

[Peregrine1]

Not to a huge degree but i feel an egg is imminent within the next few weeks i plan to inseminate after the first egg and pull the first two of the clutch then let her raise them naturally although i have incubators available if needed.

It is a very steep learning curve but i hope i will grasp it in time.

Are any of your falcons making scrapes and standing like mine yet? Although she has not fully exposed her cloea yet!

FEW more pics..........
A bit of footage of a Peregrine well on the way to taking semen.
Might help
Regards
Colin
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=backyardbreeder.flv

[ChrisRobbo]

By the looks of things and that video i would say i'm not far off the mark then. So hopefully over the next few weeks all should happen!
I'll keep you informed, thanks for your help!

ATB Chris

[Liam Fensome]

We hope one or two of the young Jerkin's kick in and give a little semen a couple of them look promising :)
Regards
Colin

they are stunning colin:supz:

atb
liam

[Barbary Boy]

apparrently my old gyr saker saker looks likely to drop an egg any day according to my m8 who has her?

[Peregrine1]

The older Jerkin Copulated today he came in condition from nowhere.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3050005.flv

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Well done that man! What sort of price would male Gyr/Peres be from your good self?

[Peregrine1]

Well done that man! What sort of price would male Gyr/Peres be from your good self?

Not to sure if I will be breeding many Gyr/Pere have a fair few Peregrines to honor, it all depends if the young tiercel peregrine Kicks in. If not I will bred a few Gyr/Peregrine's out of the Sky + Arnie offspring. I might have a crack at a couple of Gyr X Merlins. The Young Jerkins have started to Scrape and display also today very pleased with their progress.
Regards
Colin
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=DSCF0186.flv

[Hacker]

Started making a nest with the Gos today :heart:
(Karl and I were taking a short cut across fields last night and we found a huge pile of cropped conifer.
We filled my shogun to the roof. Karl said it was enough for two eagle nests! :shock:)

You can cut that sort of talk out on here, kids might be reading!:goodman: :supz:

[Peregrine1]

Some of the young falcons that have yet to lay are colouring up, Managed several good food passes with the young Jerkins plus, good nest ledge display at teatime. One of the merlins is ticking away which seems a bit early,
but not to sure if this is the case, as have not been one for notes in the past. She laided early April last year.
Regards
Colin

[Stratocaster]

This lads into his fourteenth season, normally gives semen around the middle
of march, hoping to produce one or two more birds from him.
Regards Mike.

[Slippery Teal]

stunning mike, he's in cracking condition hope you have a good bredding season

regards Ryan

[Peregrine1]

This lads into his fourteenth season, normally gives semen around the middle
of march, hoping to produce one or two more birds from him.
Regards Mike.

I am lucky enough to have seen lot's of his offspring truely beautifull falcons,
You're a lucky man getting the chance to train and hunt several a season.
I Got semen for the first time to day of a donnar( I am always behind every body else :( ) only a small shot and yellow but a start, time to get some cleaning done and some gear sorted me thinks.
Jeremiah the camera I use is a Fuji S 5000

[Mark Collins]

Hi Colin, the last picture is that neat, or mixed with, extender, last year i took some semen over to a friends house, as then i didnt have a microscope, he asked me , because there was so much there [WAS IT MINE] it was neat and was from a 2 year old, cheers, mark.

[Peregrine1]

Hello Its neat Mark, he gives quite good samples when he gets going with in a week the volume will be up and the semen turns from yellow to clear. He gives 3 time's a day when in full swing, and has in the past has been pushed to 4 times. Last year I kept him going into June to catch some late Merlin eggs. He owes me nothing he even gets all the late eyasses to rear.
Regards
Colin

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I have just finished cleaning today a final jet wash and disinfect the yard and outside area. The pens where cleaned internally abit back, and could just do with a lick preserver on the outside. And I finally Started to think how The season would pan out, will one of the young males start giving semen?, will another falcon start laying?, will a older falcon stop?, the list goes on. So has any one else got anything to look forward to or any plans? Good luck to all hope all goes well for anyone striving to breed.
Regards
Colin
Hopefully a few more young than last season, and an equal ammount of quality homes.

[Peregrine1]

Hopefully a few more young than last season, and an equal ammount of quality homes.

Home's are all sorted :) I should not breed as many as last season, as the Prairie :) and another egg laying imprint have new homes. I suppose its just a case of wait and see what happen's with the young falcon's, I might breed one or two more than expected.
Regards
Colin

[Liam Fensome]

My tiercel has been getting vocal towards me and today he went down on his hocks[if that is spelt right] and copulated with my shoe which was great to watch
atb
liam

[Peregrine1]

My tiercel has been getting vocal towards me and today he went down on his hocks[if that is spelt right] and copulated with my shoe which was great to watch
atb
liam

Way to go looks good for next season :)
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

March 15 not a deal happening egg wise here yet, but its late March at the earliest here. I often wonder if its where I am situated or the pen set up that seems to make the falcons a little later than some breeders in the UK. Though my pens are only half covered they can seem a little dark, as most of the walls are covered in a dark wood preserver. After this season I think I will paint them out off white. Been messing around with a young Jerkin a bit today trying for a food pass, sorry the clip at right angles. http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=DSCF0598.flv
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

16 March Great Sunny Morning all falcons show signs of condition falcons in scrapes and the Jerkins. Falcon's not looking so good latter in the day weather changed to windy with a chill and over cast.
Regards
Colin

[Rocky]

The Great British Weather .......

[Peregrine1]

The Great British Weather .......

Yes it looks like we in for a cold snap :(
Regards
Colin

[Liam Fensome]

16 March Great Sunny Morning all falcons show signs of condition falcons in scrapes and the Jerkins. Falcon's not looking so good latter in the day weather changed to windy with a chill and over cast.
Regards
Colin

Beautiful looking falcon colin nice and dark :supz:

atb
Liam

[Peregrine1]

Beautiful looking falcon colin nice and dark :supz:

atb
Liam

Cheers all We need now is a good spell of weather, and hopefully some heathy eyasses later.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Today blowing but bright. Pleased today as a 2 year jerkin is coming on well
thought about copulating but pulled off last minute. See from the pic he had tucked his feet up and was ready to land on his hocks. Just chickened out :(
Regards
Colin

[ChrisRobbo]

FIRST EGG TODAY! Pics to follow! (sorry for crashing your thread)

[ChrisRobbo]

Pic:

[Peregrine1]

FIRST EGG TODAY! Pics to follow! (sorry for crashing your thread)

No prob's well done what species? Pure Saker Gyr X Saker or other saker hybrid
Regards
Colin

[ChrisRobbo]

Pure Saker! Just getting the peregrine to get in her so i should be ok for the 3rd egg and pull the first two to have a clutch of 3-4 fertile! If that makes sense.

By the way what brooders do you use?

Thanks Chris

[Peregrine1]

Good luck sounds you have a plan hope it all works out well.
Regards
Colin

[KiteTrainer]

Hopefully a few more young than last season, and an equal ammount of quality homes.

Will you limit the number you produce dependant on orders

[Tim Laycock]

Will you limit the number you produce dependant on orders

I think meeting the demand will be the issue! :supz:

[Peregrine1]

Will just about got the incubation room cleaned and ready, Just the Baby alarm :) to find and plug in which allows us to pick up any alarms which may go off, as the reciever stays with me. My room is keep at between 20 c and 25 c. Which is controlled by a heater thermostat, and several fans in the wall and door of the room, they bring cool air in through the bottom fans and take hot air out through the top fans, these only kick in if the room riser's above desired set temperature. Also in the room is a humidifier which is set as required. The room is only small just allow's a F B in me :) its a small section cut out the rearing room. All the bits and bobs mentioned can be seen in the pic. Semen is coming well now and the odd falcon is showing signs of standing though they look a while of drawing.
Regards
Colin

[Alf]

Nice Job Colin. Alf.

[SSL]

Neat setup Colin.

"Backyarders" hey :supz:

[Altai]

Colin, what are the walls of your incubator room made from?

[Quiver]

looking good colin, all the best chris.:yawinkle:

[Matt]

incredable set up there . funny old things the imprints although iv had imprints they still confuse the hell out of me lol.


pass my regards on to rip if you see him
all the best

[SakerHunter]

great looking birds mate

[Peregrine1]

Colin, what are the walls of your incubator room made from?

Hello its hollow clad T&G sofit Board I think it comes in 5 mtr lenghts and about 12 inches wide. The building its self is about 18ft long by about 8ft wide. I was given all the timber 4 X 2 for studding, brds for flooring and roofing by a manager of a timber yard. My mate sorted me some miss measured windows Double glazed PVC :) and I also given me 2 pvc miss measured doors. I built the room in stud sections allowing openings for the doors one at each end and the two windows. The building is suspened from posts set in concrete and the other side is fastened to the external wall of the house, and has a wooden floor which is suspened a good few inches from ground level. I ran its own ring main in from the fuse box in the house, so it should never get overloaded and trip out. Both sides of the studding was cladded with the plastic all the walls was stuffed with insulation, as well as the roof. It has a tele dvd and video ect. So it double's up as a great bolt hole for me as well :) The only snag is my youngest Son turned it into a gym over winter and is claiming squatters rights :( Been working round his Gym equipment today to get the main body of the building something like.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Try to take a shot with camera through Mircroscope at a sample of semen of a tiercel just in the throws of starting to give this season. He is a made hatbird. But with this sample you can see the yeast contained in it which drops down considerably as he starts to give in ernest. Also you can just make out the semen, which look better moving (might try the camcorder)
The pics **** but gives an idea to those interested.
Regards
Colin

[Matt]

your just showing off now ! lol


you realy are helping alot of guys out that want to get into this ai stuff .

good to see
all the best

[Peregrine1]

your just showing off now ! lol


you realy are helping alot of guys out that want to get into this ai stuff .

good to see
all the best

Now I am showing off, If I had brains I'd be dangerous. Click on link its not great but it worked :) http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3220035.flv

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Top bombing Colin. Really raising the bar for the backyard breeder:yawinkle:

[Matt]

woohoo thats smoth operating .


not a huge amount of wriggler in there as you said . the larger particles are the yeast i take it ?

will there e alot more tadpoles when hes on the real money shots ?


see you got me hooked now.

[Kentish Falconry]

Heres a few pic's of my Incubator rooms

[LSD1]

I have just finished cleaning today a final jet wash and disinfect the yard and outside area. The pens where cleaned internally abit back, and could just do with a lick preserver on the outside. And I finally Started to think how The season would pan out, will one of the young males start giving semen?, will another falcon start laying?, will a older falcon stop?, the list goes on. So has any one else got anything to look forward to or any plans? Good luck to all hope all goes well for anyone striving to breed.
Regards
Colin

very nice set up mate and what is the 4th pic of

[Peregrine1]

Top bombing Colin. Really raising the bar for the backyard breeder:yawinkle:

Hey there's nothing wrong with backyard breeders, Quality can come from anywhere. Its just that some seem to hold in bad light. In fact all my breeding stock came from Gamehawkers that flew on the moors and low lands
and mainley bred for themselves and sold the surplus. I had to wait several seasons for some. I worked for a Doctor he was also an A panel Trial Judge training trial Dogs for him. Any I thought would not make thew grade was sold on as gundogs.
In the main all his dogs where kept here in clean tiled kennels. Now when it came to selling one I had to take the Dogs to his kennels, which could have been better but fair. But he lived in a massive country house in its own grounds. What I am trying to say people brought the dogs on image, anything with 4 legs would have sold their and the Doctor new it. If I was to sell them from my Semi at that time how many would have thought different??? As I got known and produced some good dogs and my name spead around, where I lived was not a issue. Its a funny old world.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

woohoo thats smoth operating .


not a huge amount of wriggler in there as you said . the larger particles are the yeast i take it ?

will there e alot more tadpoles when hes on the real money shots ?


see you got me hooked now.

The yeast subsides as the tiercel gets into full swing. So the semen can be seen more clear. Thats a pin head or less what you are seeing through the microscope. A full sample hundred's of time larger in quanity. Thats why with AI one sample can keep several falcons happy.
Regards
Colin

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Hey there's nothing wrong with backyard breeders, Quality can come from anywhere. Its just that some seem to hold in bad light. In fact all my breeding stock came from Gamehawkers that flew on the moors and low lands
and mainley bred for themselves and sold the surplus. I had to wait several seasons for some. I worked for a Doctor he was also an A panel Trial Judge training trial Dogs for him. Any I thought would not make thew grade was sold on as gundogs.
In the main all his dogs where kept here in clean tiled kennels. Now when it came to selling one I had to take the Dogs to his kennels, which could have been better but fair. But he lived in a massive country house in its own grounds. What I am trying to say people brought the dogs on image, anything with 4 legs would have sold their and the Doctor new it. If I was to sell them from my Semi at that time how many would have thought different??? As I got known and produced some good dogs and my name spead around, where I lived was not a issue. Its a funny old world.
Regards
Colin
:supz: Quality will out Col!

[Stratocaster]

Hey there's nothing wrong with backyard breeders, Quality can come from anywhere. Its just that some seem to hold in bad light. In fact all my breeding stock came from Gamehawkers that flew on the moors and low lands
and mainley bred for themselves and sold the surplus. I had to wait several seasons for some. I worked for a Doctor he was also an A panel Trial Judge training trial Dogs for him. Any I thought would not make thew grade was sold on as gundogs.
In the main all his dogs where kept here in clean tiled kennels. Now when it came to selling one I had to take the Dogs to his kennels, which could have been better but fair. But he lived in a massive country house in its own grounds. What I am trying to say people brought the dogs on image, anything with 4 legs would have sold their and the Doctor new it. If I was to sell them from my Semi at that time how many would have thought different??? As I got known and produced some good dogs and my name spead around, where I lived was not a issue. Its a funny old world.
Regards
Colin
Colin, it doesnt matter how big or small your project is, its the approach
thats the real issue, if you try to breed with the view of improving your foundation stock then you are doing it right and thats whats important.
trying to keep genetic diversity in an ever shrinking genepool gets my vote every time.
Regards Mike.

[Peregrine1]

Colin, it doesnt matter how big or small your project is, its the approach
thats the real issue, if you try to breed with the view of improving your foundation stock then you are doing it right and thats whats important.
trying to keep genetic diversity in an ever shrinking genepool gets my vote every time.
Regards Mike.

I thought thats what its all about :)
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Last nights semen tested this morning 50 semen 50 extender. As you can see the yeast particles are already becoming less. Link http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3230002.flv
Regards
Colin

[Kentish Falconry]

Colin, it doesnt matter how big or small your project is, its the approach
thats the real issue, if you try to breed with the view of improving your foundation stock then you are doing it right and thats whats important.
trying to keep genetic diversity in an ever shrinking genepool gets my vote every time.
Regards Mike.

Mike as you are aware this has been our aim here and slowly we are getting there but it is easier now that DEFRA are becoming transparent and allowing us to see the pedigrees of our Peregrines. This year we are hopeful of producing from 3 new blood lines in the Peregrines that have been checked and are completely 100% pure Peregrine with no additives at all. For this year these lines will not be for sale as we need to keep them back for future breeding some will go into the AI project but the remainder will be used for putting new pairs of natural breeding birds together. This will give us an even bigger Genepool to work with.
We just have to hope it all goes to plan now.
Terry :supz:

[Altai]

The yeast subsides as the tiercel gets into full swing. So the semen can be seen more clear. Thats a pin head or less what you are seeing through the microscope. A full sample hundred's of time larger in quanity. Thats why with AI one sample can keep several falcons happy.
Regards
Colin

Colin, what magnification were you using, and was the video real time or has it been speeded up?

[Peregrine1]

Colin, what magnification were you using, and was the video real time or has it been speeded up?

400X and just normal speed video clip off a olympus M810 camera, Pushed up to the eye piece.
Regards
Colin

[young falconer]

this is really amazine
id love to learn how to prepare birds and A.I it is so fasinating:eek: :wink: :cool:

[Peregrine1]

this is really amazine
id love to learn how to prepare birds and A.I it is so fasinating:eek: :wink: :cool:

As I have said before AI with standing falcon's is not to hard. The secret is in the imprinting. I think thats where most come unstuck with falcons which have been imprinted badly been left and neglected at key stages. There's loads of bad imprints out there passed from pillow to post, totally confused about their identity passing from one owner to the other. If there is a secret its imprint you're own falcons or let somebody imprint one that you have 100% faith in, Second hand imprints are to be given a wide berth, unless they have a "proven" track record, even then changing over owners might not go smoothly.
Regards
Colin

[Altai]

400X and just normal speed video clip off a olympus M810 camera, Pushed up to the eye piece.
Regards
Colin

Thanks for the information.

[Wolf]

:lol: As I have said before AI with standing falcon's is not to hard. The secret is in the imprinting. I think thats where most come unstuck with falcons which have been imprinted badly been left and neglected at key stages. There's loads of bad imprints out there passed from pillow to post, totally confused about their identity passing from one owner to the other. If there is a secret its imprint you're own falcons or let somebody imprint one that you have 100% faith in, Second hand imprints are to be given a wide berth, unless they have a "proven" track record, even then changing over owners might not go smoothly.
Regards
Colin


Totally agree. 3 of my imprint falcons in my backyard project unfortunately were not imprinted personally and were far from ideal as voluntary AI birds. These birds would show signs of aggression towards man both in or out of season but these birds were definate egg layers and with pure bloodlines.(Import Prairie and wild disabled Peregrine Falcon)
These falcons were difficult birds to manage but with regular socialisation, food passing (from outside the aviary:lol: ) and a mixture of voluntary and forced insemination have bred some nice offspring with good feedback from their owners for both breeding and hunting ability. Ive managed to obtain a good bond with Hilda (female Saker) and she stood well for voluntary insemination for the last 4 seasons chamber raising a clutch per year.
As a trial this year I have decided to double clutch and allow her to incubate naturally for 10 days before placing in incubator.
My other birds that were imprinted personally are pleasure to be around and are definately easier to manage.

Good luck to all breeders no matter how big or small the project, we all have the same goal to produce nice healthy birds with the best bloodlines as far as possible.

ps Up to today she is sitting her 3 rd egg, 4th seems to be a day late :confused: !? Time for a quick check before hitting the sack!!

Andy

[Peregrine1]

:lol:


Totally agree. 3 of my imprint falcons in my backyard project unfortunately were not imprinted personally and were far from ideal as voluntary AI birds. These birds would show signs of aggression towards man both in or out of season but these birds were definate egg layers and with pure bloodlines.(Import Prairie and wild disabled Peregrine Falcon)
These falcons were difficult birds to manage but with regular socialisation, food passing (from outside the aviary:lol: ) and a mixture of voluntary and forced insemination have bred some nice offspring with good feedback from their owners for both breeding and hunting ability. Ive managed to obtain a good bond with Hilda (female Saker) and she stood well for voluntary insemination for the last 4 seasons chamber raising a clutch per year.
As a trial this year I have decided to double clutch and allow her to incubate naturally for 10 days before placing in incubator.
My other birds that were imprinted personally are pleasure to be around and are definately easier to manage.

Good luck to all breeders no matter how big or small the project, we all have the same goal to produce nice healthy birds with the best bloodlines as far as possible.

ps Up to today she is sitting her 3 rd egg, 4th seems to be a day late :confused: !? Time for a quick check before hitting the sack!!

Andy

Hello Andy,
I can only cope with standing imprints here, I get stressed up just coping my own falcon's so forcing is out of the Question. However I have done quite a lot of forced inseminations and the stripping of males for a commercial breeder and others. I don't mind that to much, as they are not mine :)
Things just starting to pick up here first falcon as started taking semen today.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

things still pretty slow here plenty of semen, but the falcons have yet to lay just one standing, and looking at my notes from last year got a fair old wait for some to start :( hopefully some might move forward a tadge. A few pic's of the standing falcon opening and drawing.
Regards
Colin
1st pic starting to open
2nd pic fully open
3rd closing and drawing in

[ChrisRobbo]

Good stuff.

Just to let you know my bird is now sitting the three possibly fertile eggs she has laid and hopefully getting ready to drop the fourth (makes six in total). It happened pretty quick though: She started scraping two weeks ago and laid her first egg last sat. So i'm sure things will just snowball for you soon and you'll be up to your eyes in it :supz:

ATB Chris

[QTR]

Thanks Colin for sharing this information's with us very nice setup and great stuff all the best for you in this breeding season.:supz:
Aziz

[Stratocaster]

things still pretty slow here plenty of semen, but the falcons have yet to lay just one standing, and looking at my notes from last year got a fair old wait for some to start :( hopefully some might move forward a tadge. A few pic's of the standing falcon opening and drawing.
Regards
Colin
1st pic starting to open
2nd pic fully open
3rd closing and drawing in

Hello Col,
A nice sequence of pictures that show what you see when inseminating
a standing imprint, I wish I could have seen it first hand when I was starting
out, hope it helps one or two people on here that are trying to breed
from imprints, nice one Col.
Regards Mike.

[Peregrine1]

Cheer's Aziz and Mike. I am more or less completely self taught, besides witnessing some forced inseminations several years back. This opening of the cloeca and drawing semen is something I slipped up on in the early days. My first falcon started to stand, and was swollen her cloeca opened, I placed the semen, easy peasy or so I thought. It was then I noticed a change when inseminating around the third egg. She started to pump and draw something I had not seen before. I realised quickley that for the first eggs, though she was standing, he was not dealing with the semen and was not drawing up it up into the oviduct. This experience gave me the picture I look for now when inseminating, it's with out doubt the most valuble lesson I have had in connection with AI. To cut along story short she laided 4 eggs the first 3 where infertile :( the last one was fertile, the next 30 days or so was nerve racking to say the least, but in the end I produced my first falcon. I was over the moon :) Looking back there was nothing I could have done to catch those first eggs, her young body was just not quite ready. The only option perhaps if I knew all was not right (which I did'nt) was to have forced her, so I am glad I did'nt know what I was looking at really, to have forced her could have spoilt her. Since that first year I have never missed an egg, she rears well and produced many fine eyasses. She to date has been the only falcon that did not draw all the rest have from the start, though a Merlin is tricky but I have worked her out, and taking in semen is never a problem I just stick to a routine that works. So I would like to thank my mentor and teacher and friend SKY a falcon that showed me the way.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Soliciting a coming 2 year old in her scrape.
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=DSCF0663-1.flv

[Wolf]

things still pretty slow here plenty of semen, but the falcons have yet to lay just one standing, and looking at my notes from last year got a fair old wait for some to start :( hopefully some might move forward a tadge. A few pic's of the standing falcon opening and drawing.
Regards
Colin
1st pic starting to open
2nd pic fully open
3rd closing and drawing in

Hello Colin,
Cracking pics, I'll have to get my daughter to show me how to download my digi camera onto my computer, she s only seven and already showing me how to use it !!!!

Andy

[Peregrine1]

Hello Colin,
Cracking pics, I'll have to get my daughter to show me how to download my digi camera onto my computer, she s only seven and already showing me how to use it !!!!

Andy

You sound a bit like me, on the ball with modern technology :( I am utter rubbish on a PC I fumble my way through, or ask my son's for help. I can't believe after all the typing I have done I still don't know my way around the key board and still on one word a minute "hence short Posts" :( On a good note the 2 year old is tolerating a bit of mock copulation as from last night.
But sadley dropped a couple of pairs of primaries, so I can't see her going much further this season, but if she keeps going through the motions she will get some dummy eggs at a latter date. And who know's she might foster a chick or two.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

Try to get a bit of footage of an insemination but the camera was to low :( on the pea gravel, got her drawing the semen, once I picked the Camera up. I will try again to get it on a clip, I grow a third hand or something :) On a good note she's shelling a egg, so she have a egg soon :) heres todays clip.
Regards
Colin
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3300001.flv

[BFG]

very nice looking bird:supz: :grin:

[Alf]

Excellent clips Colin. It much better when it’s on video rather than photos, great job mate.:supz: Alf.

[Wolf]

She draws really well. My Female Saker is sat on 4 eggs at the moment......shes definately not in the mood for taking insemination !!
I will soon remove clutch hoping she will double clutch ......fingers crossed.

[Peregrine1]

Semen collection. Plus SKY laided today.
Regards
Colin
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3310001.flv

[Alf]

Collin I love to see a man getting sexually abused by another animal when you think about it this could be a great scam for the sex sites.
Bird Has Sex With Man ! :yawinkle: :lol:
Great video mate ! Alf.


[QUOTE=FalconQuester;519703]Semen collection. Plus SKY laided today.
Regards
Colin

[Elly]

Collin I love to see a man getting sexually abused by another animal when you think about it this could be a great scam for the sex sites.
Bird Has Sex With Man ! :yawinkle: :lol:
Great video mate ! Alf.

PMSL! You can see the headlines now..

On a slightly less smutty note, i find this thread fascinating Colin, i have never had anything to do with AI, but its great to be able to read up on your progress and seeing it on vid is almost as good as first hand. I understand if you dont want to post numbers on here, but how many different hybrids are you hoping to produce?

[Stratocaster]

Semen collection. Plus SKY laided today.
Regards
Colin
http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=P3310001.flv

PSML Col, seasons barely started and the boys turfed out of his scrape and
told to get on with it! two weeks ago he was being wined and dined.:roll:
Good to hear Sky has laid.

Regards, Mike.

[Quiver]

great news colin.:yawinkle:

chris.:lol:

[Peregrine1]

Collin I love to see a man getting sexually abused by another animal when you think about it this could be a great scam for the sex sites.
Bird Has Sex With Man ! :yawinkle: :lol:
Great video mate ! Alf.


[quote=FalconQuester;519703]Semen collection. Plus SKY laided today.
Regards
Colin
Got to admit I feel I right plonker:oops: hope I don't get arested :axe:
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

PMSL! You can see the headlines now..

On a slightly less smutty note, i find this thread fascinating Colin, i have never had anything to do with AI, but its great to be able to read up on your progress and seeing it on vid is almost as good as first hand. I understand if you dont want to post numbers on here, but how many different hybrids are you hoping to produce?
Hello Elly
I have moved a couple of egg layers on to make way for some young Female Peregrines, (so they will be no Prairie hybrids:cry: ) hoping for one of the young Peregrines might start to lay over the next couple of seasons. I hope to breed quite a few Peregrines to for fill all my comitments. A few Gyr/Peres and Pere/Perlins and the odd Gyrlin and Merlin.
Regards
Colin

[Peregrine1]

PSML Col, seasons barely started and the boys turfed out of his scrape and
told to get on with it! two weeks ago he was being wined and dined.:roll:
Good to hear Sky has laid.

Regards, Mike.
Hello Mike, poor old Arnie the last in line of the hat birds, and having spent 10 minutes or so fore play :oops: with the Jerkins, most of it kneeling or bending my mood and back are in no mood for any more. So poor old Arnie's days of being wined and dined are over. I have a soft spot for Arnie. Him and Sky have been and are good to me. Arnies gives when in full flow, 3 good samples a day 4 if asked, has given from late march till June, When I have done inseminating he sits dummy eggs for a few days before, I place chicks with him. Which he broods and feeds as well as any falcon. I hand on heart would not swap him for the whitest or Blackest of semen donating Jerkins.
Regards
Colin

[Connor]

hi, love the thread. it contains some great info. Was just wonderin how u no wen ur male or female are ready and how the male knows to do it on the hat??

Thanks in advance

Connor:supz:

[Wolf]

Hello Mike, poor old Arnie the last in line of the hat birds, and having spent 10 minutes or so fore play :oops: with the Jerkins, most of it kneeling or bending my mood and back are in no mood for any more. So poor old Arnie's days of being wined and dined are over. I have a soft spot for Arnie. Him and Sky have been and are good to me. Arnies gives when in full flow, 3 good samples a day 4 if asked, has given from late march till June, When I have done inseminating he sits dummy eggs for a few days before, I place chicks with him. Which he broods and feeds as well as any falcon. I hand on heart would not swap him for the whitest or Blackest of semen donating Jerkins.
Regards
Colin

Hello Colin,
He looks a little cracker .
I ve got a tiercel that does the same...worth their weight in Gold !! :supz:

Andy

[ChrisRobbo]

Well as this thread seems to have gone a little quite i thought i'd update you with my situation.

The bird layed 5 eggs in total due to the way i pulled! If i had pulled as she lay then i would have had more oppurtunity but this is not a profit venture for me so no worries with that one. Anyway the first two were not inseminated for so that left 3 possible eggs due to constraints i inseminated with two samples for these eggs. I candeled them last night and i can see two very developed embrios and one infertile. So thats 2 out of 3 eggs with two sample! Not bad for a first attempt!

At 18 days now i have decided to incubate one egg and let her sit the other with two dummies. She seems to be a very good mother but i like the old saying not putting all your eggs in one basket! So i have left the one to hatch first with her if she deals with that ok i will put the second egg back under her when it pips and just make sure when i go in to keep a close eye (the joys of imprints).

I feel i have learnt alot all ready and the experience so far has been something else. Next year i will be alot more confident and hopefully go for a full clutch of gyr/sakers. But for now am lucking forward to the very real possibilty of flying a (peales/scottish) x saker that i have bread and produced myself at rooks and gulls WHAT A BUZZ!

ATB Chris

[Mark Collins]

Peales/scottish/saker, Sounds Like A Good Conbination, How Big Is Your Peales/peregrine, Mark.

[Stratocaster]

Well as this thread seems to have gone a little quite i thought i'd update you with my situation.

The bird layed 5 eggs in total due to the way i pulled! If i had pulled as she lay then i would have had more oppurtunity but this is not a profit venture for me so no worries with that one. Anyway the first two were not inseminated for so that left 3 possible eggs due to constraints i inseminated with two samples for these eggs. I candeled them last night and i can see two very developed embrios and one infertile. So thats 2 out of 3 eggs with two sample! Not bad for a first attempt!

At 18 days now i have decided to incubate one egg and let her sit the other with two dummies. She seems to be a very good mother but i like the old saying not putting all your eggs in one basket! So i have left the one to hatch first with her if she deals with that ok i will put the second egg back under her when it pips and just make sure when i go in to keep a close eye (the joys of imprints).

I feel i have learnt alot all ready and the experience so far has been something else. Next year i will be alot more confident and hopefully go for a full clutch of gyr/sakers. But for now am lucking forward to the very real possibilty of flying a (peales/scottish) x saker that i have bread and produced myself at rooks and gulls WHAT A BUZZ!

ATB Chris

Hello Chris,
Really chuffed for you mate, well done so far!
As you are letting the falcon sit eggs it is worth keeping an eye on her,
what I mean by that is with imprints here that I use for incubation I go
into the chamber at least once a day with them to spend ten minutes
or so covering the eggs with my hand, allowing the falcon time off to
eat and have a stretch, remember there is no male to do this and in the
past I have seen females loose condition because of being broody.
Hope you hatch the two you have running,

Kind Regards Mike.

[ChrisRobbo]

Hello Chris,
Really chuffed for you mate, well done so far!
As you are letting the falcon sit eggs it is worth keeping an eye on her,
what I mean by that is with imprints here that I use for incubation I go
into the chamber at least once a day with them to spend ten minutes
or so covering the eggs with my hand, allowing the falcon time off to
eat and have a stretch, remember there is no male to do this and in the
past I have seen females loose condition because of being broody.
Hope you hatch the two you have running,

Kind Regards Mike.


Cheers mate i try to go in twice a day at least as i already thought of this. She will not leave the eggs until i go in there! When i do i take her some food and use a piece of clean towel to cover that i heat up slightly prior! She never takes more than 5 minutes to eat clean her beak then have a sandbath in the evenings regardless before she kicks me off :supz: as she is very attentive!

I thought it was important to let her hatch one as its her first time and the noise and stimulation would do her good i thought?

Thanks for your input mate all is appreciated and taken on board!

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Peales/scottish/saker, Sounds Like A Good Conbination, How Big Is Your Peales/peregrine, Mark.

The (50%peales/50%scottish) tiercel is a donor at falconmews which they bred thereselves from an import from america. They are close enougth for me to jump in my motor and be their in 1hr 15mins so thats why i beleive i caught 2/3 with just two samples. Peter and richard are top blokes and helped out alot.

I really hope the peales will show dominants as my saker is a BIG girl and so if it does there could be some massive peri/sakers destroying rooks/gulls/crows along with my 5/8 gyr/sake this season!

Cheers mate. ATB Chris

[Peregrine1]

Well as this thread seems to have gone a little quite i thought i'd update you with my situation.

The bird layed 5 eggs in total due to the way i pulled! If i had pulled as she lay then i would have had more oppurtunity but this is not a profit venture for me so no worries with that one. Anyway the first two were not inseminated for so that left 3 possible eggs due to constraints i inseminated with two samples for these eggs. I candeled them last night and i can see two very developed embrios and one infertile. So thats 2 out of 3 eggs with two sample! Not bad for a first attempt!

At 18 days now i have decided to incubate one egg and let her sit the other with two dummies. She seems to be a very good mother but i like the old saying not putting all your eggs in one basket! So i have left the one to hatch first with her if she deals with that ok i will put the second egg back under her when it pips and just make sure when i go in to keep a close eye (the joys of imprints).

I feel i have learnt alot all ready and the experience so far has been something else. Next year i will be alot more confident and hopefully go for a full clutch of gyr/sakers. But for now am lucking forward to the very real possibilty of flying a (peales/scottish) x saker that i have bread and produced myself at rooks and gulls WHAT A BUZZ!

ATB Chris
Hello Chris
The reason I have not continue to post on this thread is it seems to have got a site sponsor or two ruffled:twisted: . And thus the Admin team and Mods have been given some grief:cry: . So anything for an easy life me so I opted not to post on the thread anymore.
All I tried to do on the thread is give a little insight into how I manage my AI Falcon’s. And if it help’s some one all well and good.
Any way well done on the 2 fertile eggs you have, I hope they turn out crackers. It’s a great feeling to fly homebred falcons. One thing Mike pointed out about sitting falcons. I keep my falcon sitting so she will rear. She got off the eggs one day and I noticed she had a keel like a yacht, it frightened me to death. What was happening I was leaving food with her several times a day and it all disappeared, I took it for granted she was eating it. In fact she seemed to have a phobia with food lying around in the pen and evicted out of the pen through the bars to be mopped up by the dogs. Since then I have noticed all of my sitting falcons try to remove all uneaten food from the pen when sitting eggs. I like you finger feed my sitting falcons small chopped up pieces food. They get a good feed quickly mute and back on the eggs. My first Peregrine falcon sat 3 Saker eggs all hatched under her and all was reared, I think it’s the way to go to get a well adjusted mother. Good luck again and let’s hope to see a pic soon of a nice Dark Peales/Scottish X Saker. WELL DONE ON YOU’RE FIRST ATTEMPT AT AI
Regards
Colin

[Mark Collins]

Hi Chris , sounds ideal, i have had a couple of birds from there myself, agree totaly, good luck mate, mark.

[Peregrine1]

A Merlin Standing, More or less the same as with a big falcon. The only difference being is I place the semen on the clocea, and towards the end of the copulation she starts to draw. She has been standing for around 10 days, and been inseminated with Peregrine. The good news is the Jack as started donating on the hat so it looks like I might do some pure Merlins If not with her I might try some in her younger sister who's just started to show signs of condition. Link http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/falconquester/?action=view&current=DSCF0694.flv
Regards
Colin

[Quiver]

good stuff colin.:yawinkle:

chris.

[Peregrine1]

good stuff colin.:yawinkle:

chris.
I noticed a hard egg in her this morning so she should lay soon:-P
Regards
Colin

[Falcon911]

I am placing my hopes (!) on 2 year old Peregrines - the female has shown an amazing turnaround since the nice weather and she fancies my mobile phone (no its not agression) chupping in the nest scape, bowing etc. No signs of standing but when bowing she cocks her tail over to her left.
The male is keen to jump onto the hat but only stays on his hocks for about three seconds then stands up chattering. As I am new to this AI lark does anyone know if he will mature and the copulatory movements will get better or is there something I can do to improve things?

Thanks in advance
Rgds
Andy

[Peregrine1]

I am placing my hopes (!) on 2 year old Peregrines - the female has shown an amazing turnaround since the nice weather and she fancies my mobile phone (no its not agression) chupping in the nest scape, bowing etc. No signs of standing but when bowing she cocks her tail over to her left.
The male is keen to jump onto the hat but only stays on his hocks for about three seconds then stands up chattering. As I am new to this AI lark does anyone know if he will mature and the copulatory movements will get better or is there something I can do to improve things?

Thanks in advance
Rgds
Andy
I have had a two year scrape and stand for copulation and pumping but not really swelling. She heavy in moult at the minute, still got her scrape and on a couple of dummy eggs at the moment, with a bit of luck she might get chance to rear. As long as you're male is happy on the hat and not slipping and sliding, he will give when he has semen on board. Hopefully if he's does not produce this season, all you're work should pay off next season.
Regards
Colin PS he also has to learn our to copulate and leave semen on the hat it might take him a little time to work it out.

[Falcon911]

I have had a two year scrape and stand for copulation and pumping but not really swelling. She heavy in moult at the minute, still got her scrape and on a couple of dummy eggs at the moment, with a bit of luck she might get chance to rear. As long as you're male is happy on the hat and not slipping and sliding, he will give when he has semen on board. Hopefully if he's does not produce this season, all you're work should pay off next season.
Regards
Colin PS he also has to learn our to copulate and leave semen on the hat it might take him a little time to work it out.

OK, I'll keep going and see how they develope.
Cheers
Andy

[FlameHairedFalconer]

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[PeregrinesUK]

This thread is great Colin thanks! the pics and video have been a real help with my little project :yawinkle: Are you going to continue it through from egg to pip ?? please!! most interesting thread on the forum a wealth of knowledge.. Mike

[Terry Hanson]

This thread is great Colin thanks! the pics and video have been a real help with my little project :yawinkle: Are you going to continue it through from egg to pip ?? please!! most interesting thread on the forum a wealth of knowledge.. Mike

I agree with you there Mike, very informative :heart:
ATB
Terry

[ChrisRobbo]

First egg pipped today! :supz:

Just a small pip right were it should be!

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Egg number 2 now pipped first bird due to hatch tommorow i will keep you all informed and hopefully get some pics.

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Disaster! Went in to check the eggs this morning and found this!

Basically this it looks like mum has turned then sat on the egg where it has pipped opening up the hole way to much! So under some very knoledgably advice1 i pulled the egg out and removed a piece from the top to check the membrane and sure as i was told the membrane was as dry as paper. So i have wet this down with a cotton bud and got the little chap in the incubator waiting for the arteries to shut down completely. So its going to be a tense day!

[ChrisRobbo]

Pic after i have wet the membrane. without the advice i'm sure the chick wouldn't have made it as the membrane almost cacooned it.

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Well i hatched it at 11.10am. And..........

.......luckily all was well all the yolk sac was absorbed and the blood vessels were nearly all shut down. My timing must have been spot on which i was very worried about. The chick is a strong blighter and now in its brooder weighing in at 35.2g at 2pm.

Now i'm worried about the second egg as it has pipped half way round!

Anyway here is a picture of Marge (look at the first two pics carefully). Its quite camoflaged though! :supz:

ATB Chris

[Quiver]

good stuff chris, hope it all goes well for you.

chris.:yawinkle:

[ChrisRobbo]

Not a good day! Stressed is an understatement.

The second chick was the wrong way in the egg. Ok i thought maybe i can deal with that. Well after opening it up to have a look at the air cell and seeing the blood vessels still working. I secured it in cling film around the bottom as due to its position it was struggling and distressed. The problem was the main arterty was under constant preesure from the chicks movements. This started at 9am well i have been watching it all day it lasted till 6pm when it split the main Arterty against the shell while i was checking it. The chick had up till now been pipped for around 50 hrs. Luckily i was on had to remove it from the egg within 30secs. I used potassium permangamate and a cotton bud to stop the blood flow vey quickly. I stopped the bleeding from start to finish in around 40 secs although it seemed for ever!

I injected the chick about 20mins after in the loose skin around the thigh with sterile hertmans solution. To replace lost fluids the chick seems as strong as any and is just left with a stub but i am sure i'm left with an uphill battle. The good news was that the yolk had retracted and there was fecal in the shell.

Here are some pics off the aftermath and the chick a bit off a horror scene i'm affraid.

Heres to hope!

ATB Chris

[PeregrinesUK]

Good posts Chris really interesting stuff hope all is ok with the chick.. Mike

[StoopDoggyDogg]

hi chris

I dont want to start an argument, but i have 5 fertile peregrine eggs and they either get out on there own like nature intended or they die like nature intended. i have no solution or permanganate nor do the parents.

I dont really think it is a good thing interfering with natural selection , but i might be talking *****, i have had a few ???

Maybe its not natural selection and a incubation problem??

Has anybody had malposistioned chicks from eggs incubated by there parents ???

Was this egg incubated by its parent ???


Steve



Not a good day! Stressed is an understatement.

The second chick was the wrong way in the egg. Ok i thought maybe i can deal with that. Well after opening it up to have a look at the air cell and seeing the blood vessels still working. I secured it in cling film around the bottom as due to its position it was struggling and distressed. The problem was the main arterty was under constant preesure from the chicks movements. This started at 9am well i have been watching it all day it lasted till 6pm when it split the main Arterty against the shell while i was checking it. The chick had up till now been pipped for around 50 hrs. Luckily i was on had to remove it from the egg within 30secs. I used potassium permangamate and a cotton bud to stop the blood flow vey quickly. I stopped the bleeding from start to finish in around 40 secs although it seemed for ever!

I injected the chick about 20mins after in the loose skin around the thigh with sterile hertmans solution. To replace lost fluids the chick seems as strong as any and is just left with a stub but i am sure i'm left with an uphill battle. The good news was that the yolk had retracted and there was fecal in the shell.

Here are some pics off the aftermath and the chick a bit off a horror scene i'm affraid.

Heres to hope!

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

The chicks would not have been interfered with if i didn't think that i could have caused the malpositioning. I incubatated the last egg for 5 days before i came to my senses and put it back with her. In these 5 days the embryo became fixed.

These Chicks are HYBRIDS so the nature intended bit goes way out the window! :lol:

I'm not here to argue with you, so if you have any further complaints or feel the need to go off thread. Which so far has gone from insemination to chick! Then PM me.

ATB Chris.

BTW the chick took its first feed at 6am and looks strong and healthy which it must have been to even pip upside down :rolleyes:

[StoopDoggyDogg]

Sorry mate i didn't mean for it to sound like a complaint, but it was nearly 2am and i'd sunk a lot of wine by then.

I'd probably do the same as you now i'm sober !!

Steve




The chicks would not have been interfered with if i didn't think that i could have caused the malpositioning. I incubatated the last egg for 5 days before i came to my senses and put it back with her. In these 5 days the embryo became fixed.

These Chicks are HYBRIDS so the nature intended bit goes way out the window! :lol:

I'm not here to argue with you, so if you have any further complaints or feel the need to go off thread. Which so far has gone from insemination to chick! Then PM me.

ATB Chris.

BTW the chick took its first feed at 6am and looks strong and healthy which it must have been to even pip upside down :rolleyes:

[ChrisRobbo]

Not a problem.

Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Well chick number one went back in with mum today at 4 days old she's brooding it now and doing ok so far touchwood. This isn't for the faint hearted.

Chick number 2 is still with us and after a slow day yesterday keeping fluid in it to keep it going it is now eating alot better with good mutes. So fingers cross if we can make it past day 3 then maybe its avoided the dreaded infection. Only time will tell now.

I've attatched a couple of pics of the first chick this morning and the second aswell. Bear in mind there is alot of time between the chicks and that the second was smaller to start with.

ATB Chris

[PeregrinesUK]

Fingers crossed for you Chris! Mike

[Wolf]

Good luck ...Im sure they will thrive from now on !:supz:
Andy

[ChrisRobbo]

Well he made it! Now both chicks are back with there mum where they should be. Hopefully things will progress smoothly now. I will keep an eye on the feeding and general health of the chicks but really from here on in its down to the first time mum who is doing an excellent job.

:supz:

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Here is a pick of mum feeding the chicks one at 8 1/2 days and one at 7.

Don't they grow up fast! :lol:

ATB Chris

[Quiver]

Here is a pick of mum feeding the chicks one at 8 1/2 days and one at 7.

Don't they grow up fast! :lol:

ATB Chris

looking good chris all the best with them.

chris.:yawinkle:

[Altai]

Here is a pick of mum feeding the chicks one at 8 1/2 days and one at 7.

Don't they grow up fast! :lol:

ATB Chris

Any updates on your chicks Chris. Remind me please what are they?

[ChrisRobbo]

Sorry i havn't replied i've been away for a couple of days. It looks like i have two females (pere/sakers) and they are growing up fast. I'll try and get some pictures soon but i'm keeping contact to a minimum now. The first female was ordered and the bloke came round had a look and confirmed his order now just the other one to locate which won't be hard.

ATB Chris

[ChrisRobbo]

Well its been 4 weeks since the drama and i'm glad to report that both chicks are doing fine. It now looks as though there is a male and female chick although it is definateley not certain.

Here is a pic that i took when i went in to check the rings on the legs this morning and they are wild. I am really pleased with them especially with the colouration they almost look like peregrines (the feet give it away).

Hope that you have enjoyed the thread i will continue it until they leave me :(

ATB Chris

[Tim Laycock]

I am really pleased with them especially with the colouration they almost look like peregrines (the feet give it away).



Thats what I thought Chris 8-)

[StoopMan]

great thread Guys