Where buy egg buddy monitor

[Jeremiah Johnson]

where buy egg buddy monitor

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[Rocky]

Interhatch at Chesterfield,Derbyshire sell it mate...

[Jeremiah Johnson]

where buy egg buddy monitor at the best price ?

[Jeremiah Johnson]

done dusted sorted Ta rocky .... they came down very nicely in price ...

[Rocky]

How much did you get one for mate,if you don't mind me asking :supz:

[Misty]

I wouldn't be without mine. I knew the vet who invented and designed it, brilliant mind, sadly he got so busy promoting the buddy and his other ingenious devices all over the continent that he had to give up vetting work.
I paid £200 for the original. I see they have come down to £159 with the new 3 sensor at £1.99. Worth every penny. I have been able to save several young chicks by noting the heartrate rapidly decrease indictating they were in trouble. Anyone incubating should get one of these pronto.

[Talon]

http://www.avianbiotech.co.uk/avitronics/page6.html


Original Buddy Mk1: £158.62 + Shipping
Buddy (New version ‘3 LED) Mk:2: £199.75 +Shipping




Both prices are inclusive of VAT, although shipping rates apply and vary depending on your region. The Buddy system comes with batteries included although you can purchase a mains adaptor for £13 with your Buddy.


hope the above link helps j j

[Misty]

http://www.avianbiotech.co.uk/avitronics/page6.html


Original Buddy Mk1: £158.62 + Shipping
Buddy (New version ‘3 LED) Mk:2: £199.75 +Shipping




Both prices are inclusive of VAT, although shipping rates apply and vary depending on your region. The Buddy system comes with batteries included although you can purchase a mains adaptor for £13 with your Buddy.


hope the above link helps j j

sorry:oops: I should have put up that link. Thanks Talon.
One thing to remember, the buddy is ultra sensitive. Don't have it on a surface that is near an electrical appliance that could transmit vibrations.

[Falcon66]

I was wondering if there is a signifigant difference between the MK1 and new MK 2 with led ?
Comments appreciated
Regards
k

[Misty]

I can't remember which model no is which but I know the original buddy was modified and a more sensitive one produced and I have that one, it is ace. They also brought out another model (which is the one I don't know the no of) and that is suitable for thicker shelled eggs such as hawks.

[Falcon911]

Other than if you are struggling for incubator space, what do you use these things for?
Cheers
Andy

[Finnish]

I had a look At Terrys when I was up there well worth the money...

[Misty]

Other than if you are struggling for incubator space, what do you use these things for?
Cheers
Andy

How many uses can you think of that would require knowing if the egg is fertile?
Do you let her sit on an infertile clutch or know for certain they are all infertile and bin them so she goes down again.
Do you waste incubator space with infertile eggs?
anything other reasons you wish to know if eggs are fertile. That's just the beginning
Once you have ascertained you have fertile eggs you monitor them. As the chicks get stronger you get a heartbeat readout. This is recorded and monitored. When the egg gets to pip you can check if the chick is in distress and needs help to hatch by checking the hear rate.
Think of it this way. One healthy chick that survived because this little machine told you it was needing help to hatch and you more than covered the price of the buddy machine. I wouldn't be without mine.
This guy that invented it is an incredible chap. he has invented many more things for the exotics market. he even has a set up whereby all heart rates and readouts can be recorded onto a laptop while a bop is under anaesthetic and gives the vet chance to act quickly if the bop gets in trouble. Sprout may know of this if he has one in his surgery.

[Falcon911]

How many uses can you think of that would require knowing if the egg is fertile?
Do you let her sit on an infertile clutch or know for certain they are all infertile and bin them so she goes down again.
Do you waste incubator space with infertile eggs?
anything other reasons you wish to know if eggs are fertile. That's just the beginning
Once you have ascertained you have fertile eggs you monitor them. As the chicks get stronger you get a heartbeat readout. This is recorded and monitored. When the egg gets to pip you can check if the chick is in distress and needs help to hatch by checking the hear rate.
Think of it this way. One healthy chick that survived because this little machine told you it was needing help to hatch and you more than covered the price of the buddy machine. I wouldn't be without mine.
This guy that invented it is an incredible chap. he has invented many more things for the exotics market. he even has a set up whereby all heart rates and readouts can be recorded onto a laptop while a bop is under anaesthetic and gives the vet chance to act quickly if the bop gets in trouble. Sprout may know of this if he has one in his surgery.

How many days into incubation is it successful and how accurate are they?
Cheers
Andy

[Misty]

How many days into incubation is it successful and how accurate are they?
Cheers
Andy

It depends on the egg shell. I usually test around 12/14 days. You may have to turn the egg to get a reading at that stage as there may only be a vein or two to get the reading from. There is a flat line which zig zags when a reading is positive (bit like the hospital monitors). once you have that reading it will just get stronger and stronger and eventually give a heart rate also. When the chick starts to move you also get a line drawing of a chick waving his wings about. (better than tv)
If I don't get any readings I keep incubating for another 7 days to be on the safe side. if I have no reading by 21 days I crack open and check before ditching (I know I can't give the embryo the kiss of life, just before you all tell me that - but it's nice to know the egg was infertile when I ditched it.
Up to now I have never had a false reading either way.
Hope this helps :yawinkle:

[Falcon911]

It depends on the egg shell. I usually test around 12/14 days. You may have to turn the egg to get a reading at that stage as there may only be a vein or two to get the reading from. There is a flat line which zig zags when a reading is positive (bit like the hospital monitors). once you have that reading it will just get stronger and stronger and eventually give a heart rate also. When the chick starts to move you also get a line drawing of a chick waving his wings about. (better than tv)
If I don't get any readings I keep incubating for another 7 days to be on the safe side. if I have no reading by 21 days I crack open and check before ditching (I know I can't give the embryo the kiss of life, just before you all tell me that - but it's nice to know the egg was infertile when I ditched it.
Up to now I have never had a false reading either way.
Hope this helps :yawinkle:


12-14 days would be too late to use it for recycling so surely candling eggs would give you roughly the same idea that the embryo was developing for the rest of incubation?
Do you candle eggs also? Sorry not meaning to be awkward, just trying to see what if any benefits they have.
Cheers
Andy

[Misty]

12-14 days would be too late to use it for recycling so surely candling eggs would give you roughly the same idea that the embryo was developing for the rest of incubation?
Do you candle eggs also? Sorry not meaning to be awkward, just trying to see what if any benefits they have.
Cheers
Andy

I don't deliberately double clutch. 2 of my male falcons come into condition slightly later than the female. I pull the first 3 eggs and let her continue her clutch. if the 3 I pulled are fertile i imprint them, if not I bin them.
With the remaining falcons eggs I take them out and check at 12/14 days. if i find they are all infertile (may happen if I have a new pair) , I let her go down again. They always have a second clutch 2/3 weeks after I have pulled them. This is just what happens with my birds.
I know Terry has a buddy, perhaps he would give his pros & cons.
ps. i don't candle - don't like it.

[The Austringer]

Maybe slightly off thread but does anyone know if this system now works on Goshawk eggs? I had one few years back but they agreed to refund my money once it was agreed it wouldn't work on Gos eggs.

[Misty]

Maybe slightly off thread but does anyone know if this system now works on Goshawk eggs? I had one few years back but they agreed to refund my money once it was agreed it wouldn't work on Gos eggs.

sorry, no. i don't know anything about gos eggs. I know they have one that will do hh eggs which are much thicker than falcon eggs. Is it worth ringing them to see if that will work?

[Jimmy]

Maybe slightly off thread but does anyone know if this system now works on Goshawk eggs? I had one few years back but they agreed to refund my money once it was agreed it wouldn't work on Gos eggs.

I've talked to a gos breeder that told me they didn't work on his gos eggs. He almost binned the eggs, but decided to keep them in the incubator and they hatched.

[The Austringer]

I've talked to a gos breeder that told me they didn't work on his gos eggs. He almost binned the eggs, but decided to keep them in the incubator and they hatched.

Same here. Fortunately the pair were prove breeders and we refused to accept the were infertile. At first we thought the Buddy must be right after all its high tech but common sense prevailed. 2 males, 2 females and £6000 later we were glad we hadn't binned them! However, it is a great idea and hopefully one day it will work for all eggs.

[Misty]

Same here. Fortunately the pair were prove breeders and we refused to accept the were infertile. At first we thought the Buddy must be right after all its high tech but common sense prevailed. 2 males, 2 females and £6000 later we were glad we hadn't binned them! However, it is a great idea and hopefully one day it will work for all eggs.

as i said, I don't breed gos so I take your point in that respect. As far as falcon eggs, I wouldn't be without it. I can only speak as I find.:yawinkle:

[Paco]

Buddy doesn,t work in Harris . I check a few harris eggs of a friend. The machine said the eggs were infertile.When may friend open the first egg the chick was alive!!!!!!!
In Falcon i think works well at 16-17 days.

[Barbary Boy]

ive only heard bad press about them?

[Misty]

Buddy doesn,t work in Harris . I check a few harris eggs of a friend. The machine said the eggs were infertile.When may friend open the first egg the chick was alive!!!!!!!
In Falcon i think works well at 16-17 days.

there are different versions of Buddy. the first 2 were not able to scan haris eggs as the shells are too thick. they then made another version with extra sensors and it was specifically for harris and thicker shelled eggs. tell you friend to update his model if he needs to scan harris eggs.

Barbary boy. I don't know what you have heard but I have used one since they were first put on market and it is invaluable. I have never had a false reading either way

[Pearl]

i wouldnt think you could get a false reading it done on the heart beat if im correct if they are good enough for nick fox then im looking into one lol :supz:

[Misty]

i wouldnt think you could get a false reading it done on the heart beat if im correct if they are good enough for nick fox then im looking into one lol :supz:

Hi MT, I think by a false reading others are meaning that it read negative and they could have ditched eggs that were in fact fertile. Sometimes you will get the occassional egg that has a slightly thicker shell and the pulse is not strong enough to be picked up on the readings until a few more days of growth. I check my falcon eggs at 12/14 days, if any read infertile i will still place back in incubator for another 7 days. If I have no reading after 21days then i ditch and I have never ditched a fertile egg yet.
I have saved several chicks during hatch when the heartbeats have dropped so low they are obviously in trouble and losing their energy to get out. Just one of these saved chicks would have paid for 2 Buddys. Anyone who incubates should have one of these clever little machines. They are as important as the incubator and brooder.

[Pearl]

Hi MT, I think by a false reading others are meaning that it read negative and they could have ditched eggs that were in fact fertile. Sometimes you will get the occassional egg that has a slightly thicker shell and the pulse is not strong enough to be picked up on the readings until a few more days of growth. I check my falcon eggs at 12/14 days, if any read infertile i will still place back in incubator for another 7 days. If I have no reading after 21days then i ditch and I have never ditched a fertile egg yet.
I have saved several chicks during hatch when the heartbeats have dropped so low they are obviously in trouble and losing their energy to get out. Just one of these saved chicks would have paid for 2 Buddys. Anyone who incubates should have one of these clever little machines. They are as important as the incubator and brooder.
hi misty yes i agree you would use it as a extra way of checking the eggs as well as candle so in my book the more ways you have of checking a egg the better , i would still incubate as untill 21 or how ever many days untill you are happy they are no good i think i feel a buy coming on lol:supz:

[Misty]

hi misty yes i agree you would use it as a extra way of checking the eggs as well as candle so in my book the more ways you have of checking a egg the better , i would still incubate as untill 21 or how ever many days untill you are happy they are no good i think i feel a buy coming on lol:supz:

I think you'll find you won't bother with candling once you get your buddy :yawinkle:

[Pearl]

in my book from interhatch of chestefield they are 210 75 so not tomuch money for a better way of checking and misty knowing my luck or lack of it i think id use both still lol:wink:

[Misty]

in my book from interhatch of chestefield they are 210 75 so not tomuch money for a better way of checking and misty knowing my luck or lack of it i think id use both still lol:wink:

you would to start with but I bet you don't next year! Don't know which version that price is quoted for but my version is a lot cheaper still (although it wasn't when I bought it!)
For your info (in case you haven't already found it) and for any other members who don't know what we are talking about, try this:-

http://www.avianbiotech.co.uk/avitronics/page1.html

PS, As far as I know, the newer 3 LED version is the one for harris eggs, so it would be the cheaper version for falcons. best to check with Avitonics before you buy then if it doesn't work (highly unlikely) they will refund or change.

[Pearl]

you would to start with but I bet you don't next year!
For your info (in case you haven't already found it) and for any other members who don't know what we are talking about, try this:-

http://www.avianbiotech.co.uk/avitronics/page1.html
thanks matey to fair i would still candle my luck runs bad lol infact if i fell in a bucket of breasts id come out sucking my thumb :supz:

[Misty]

thanks matey to fair i would still candle my luck runs bad lol infact if i fell in a bucket of breasts id come out sucking my thumb :supz:

depends whose breasts were in the bucket - you might be pleased you ended up with your thumb:lol:

[Paco]

Misty, at what pulse do you think the chick start to have problems??, and can you explain how do you act in this case.

Thanks!!

[Misty]

Hi Paco
this is a page copied from avitronics website (listed in previous post.
It shold explain everything. If you need any more info please feel free to pm me.


During the trials of Buddy, an egg at mid-duration of incubation period was placed into Buddy, and heart rate recorded at 260 BPM. As the egg cooled after 1 – 2 minutes, heart rate slowed noticeably down to 220 BPM and further !
At 3 – 4 minutes it was down to 180 – 190.
This is quite natural because the egg is slowing down to conserve energy while the sitting hen may be away from the nest for a short period of time.


Internal Pip – a critical time


Toward the end of incubation a developing chick will ‘internal pip’ – this is a very important time. The chick has to push its way through the internal membrane. This is the membrane that separates the developing embryo from the ‘airs ac’ end. This normally happens 2 full days before hatch and is extremely demanding on the chick’s energy reserves. You will notice this on the heart rate read outs.
At this stage it is almost impossible to get a read out while the chick is moving and pushing inside of the egg. Buddy amplifies everything 20.000 times so this ‘noise’ is also amplified and displayed to the Buddy user as chick movement. That is the little chick icon on the screen and can be seen flapping its wings.
Only when the chick rests during this exhausting period will you get a heart rate readout and you will notice it to be lower than usual around 190 – 200 BP because of the hard work.


External Pip and Hatching


After the ‘internal pip’ stage your chick will set about the task of ‘external pip’.
This is when the chick begins the task of pipping around the inside of the shell; this normally takes the remaining two days of your incubation period.
Again all crashing and banging is amplified 20.000 times so the ‘chick moving’ icon will be busy.
As during internal pip the chick will rest and heart rates will be displayed.
If you can visually see that the chick is pipping the egg around the entire circumference then a perfect hatch is probably going to happen. But if you see the chick is pipping in one area only then the chick could be stuck in the internal membrane. If after the two day hatching period the chick is still in this one position and Buddy is indicating that the heart rates are now down around 90 – 100 BPM then assistance is required to save the chick.
This assistance can be safely carried out as long as the two-day hatching period has elapsed. If after the two day hatching period Buddy is indicating a weak heart rate and no ‘pips’ can be seen then the chick may be breach (wrong way around in the egg).
Assistance can save these chicks that would otherwise have been Dead in Shell (DIS). Buddy will tell you!
We have had many many ‘phone calls from Buddy users who have saved chicks that would have been DIS because they could not get out!

If using Buddy for reptile eggs you can expect heart rates of around 60 – 70 BPM!

[Hawkmaster]

Good man must of taken you ages to type!

Rep added

[Misty]

Ah! the bliss of cut & paste :D
thanks for rep :heart: