Proposed 4x4 Tax regulation

[Phil Dinsdale]

Hi all,

Just wondered what everyones thoughts where on the new proposed road tax laws for 4 x 4's, looking at doubleing the cost to tax a 4 x 4 is bang out of order and i am sure the goverment are just trying to price them off the road.

Also what will happen with 4 x 4's like the lexus which has a dual power source reducing its fuel consumption?

Regards

Phil

[Salty]

i agree mate it ****es you right off ,ban planes and use boats then eh ,weel all get horses again n carts ,tigg can drive one o them :lol: ,it sickens you properly ,.just another way to rape your money dude :supz:

[Pendleside]

Hi all,

Just wondered what everyones thoughts where on the new proposed road tax laws for 4 x 4's, looking at doubleing the cost to tax a 4 x 4 is bang out of order and i am sure the goverment are just trying to price them off the road.

Also what will happen with 4 x 4's like the lexus which has a dual power source reducing its fuel consumption?

Regards

Phil

hi phil .
agree totally .
my rangie is dual fuel with less emissions than a number of other vehicles .
why should i pay more ?:twisted:

[SSL]

Its worrying. I can see they want to force us to go green, and stop the 'Chelsea Tractor' syndrome but its annoying considering I could use a fuel which is enviromentally friendly and makes my vehicle more economical... but when i have to pay duty on it raising the cost to equal diesel why should i bother, coupled with the fact my car would need an expensive modification (cough :wink: ) to run this fuel. Then they want to whack me with high road tax...

I think I'll be downsizing if the car tax doubles.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

hi phil .
agree totally .
my rangie is dual fuel with less emissions than a number of other vehicles .
why should i pay more ?:twisted:
Im with you Pete. Dual fuel Disco, but we aint allowed the tax break for LPG installed cars FFS!

[Sirius]

I may be wrong (not really looked into it much) but I thought this is proposed just for new registered 4 x 4s (I guess from this year)?

Either way, I understand the need to do something in terms of climate change but can't help thinking this still hurts the wrong people - i.e. it's hardly going to stop 'Mrs. Ponsonby-Smythe' taking little Cedric 500yards down the road to school in Richmond in her BMW X5..

Cheers, Adi

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Simple answer get pre 1972 Land Rovers and say a big s###w you to the Tax man as they are exempt!

[SSL]

Simple answer get pre 1972 Land Rovers and say a big s###w you to the Tax man as they are exempt!

You cant beat scraping ice off the INSIDE of the windscreen to go hawking ... mind you with all the global warming maybe you wont have to :supz:

[GregMik]

Your freindly liberals at work trying to take your liberty away again!

Greg

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

You cant beat scraping ice off the INSIDE of the windscreen to go hawking ... mind you with all the global warming maybe you wont have to :supz:

I used to carry a blow torch in my series 2A;)

[Icarus Fell]

Surely (and you can bet they won't) the government can set up regional road tax so that people in rural area who are more likely to need an off road vehicle are taxed less than people in built up areas. There's not many farmers I know who can use a Smart car on their farms.

Then we can extend the same policy to fuel duty . . . . .

[Taffwall]

forgive me if im wrong but is the new road taxing system to do with emmissions and engine size,and nothing to do with the fact a vehicle is 4x4.
ok, admittedly most 4x4 have large engines and high emmissions so would come into the higher tax category but its not a tax on 4x4's is it?
what about the little suzuki ignis, alot of vauxhall zafira's and many other cars that are 4 wheel drive, will they be included just because they are 4x4?
excuse my ignorance

[GregMik]

Excuse my ignorance....But aren't taxes suppose to be for paying for services? Sounds to me like this is a penalty.

Greg

[Gary F]

Excuse my ignorance....But aren't taxes suppose to be for paying for services? Sounds to me like this is a penalty.

Greg
spot on greg,,,state of some off the roads over here, your better off with a 4x4,,

[Redeye]

Excuse my ignorance....But aren't taxes suppose to be for paying for services? Sounds to me like this is a penalty.

Greg

In this country we are all in the service of providing the chancellor/ govt with as much money as possible to fritter away, green is just an excuse.
Unfortunately the opposition is now colluding/ competing on who can out tax each other where green issues are concerned.

Ivan

[John Soulsby]

[QUOTE=Icarus Fell;509111]Surely (and you can bet they won't) the government can set up regional road tax so that people in rural area who are more likely to need an off road vehicle are taxed less than people in built up areas. There's not many farmers I know who can use a Smart car on their farms. QUOTE]

I'm sure this has to be the start of the revolution, every other car in this part of the country is a large 4x4, not because we like them (although I do) but because we need them. Rural areas, rough landscape etc if you live in the "wild & woolly" and you own two cars one of them must be a 4 x 4. A month or so ago we had over a foot of snow, nearest neighbour about quarter of a mile away, nearest "proper" road about a mile away. I had to drive to Liverpool airport, I would never have made it without the Shogun. OK do you need a 4x4 in central London, I don't know, perhaps you do but out here they are an essential part of rural life. People didn't like the poll tax although now looking back it didn't seem so bad but they got rid of it, perhaps another march in London is due this time in a 4x4.

John

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I think they should up the Tax on Luxury cars Porsche, Ferrari, TVR, Rolls Royce, Bentley etc etc. They burn more fuel are driven in the majority by the affluent and lets face it they can afford it!!!!

[Kat67]

We're on our way to town in a bit in a large 4x4 gas guzzler:( Theres a hell of a lot of snow up here at the momnt and its quite blizzardy but apparently 5 miles away its totally clear. Dont think some townies quite grasp the idea of actually 'needing one' as opposed to fancying one.

[SSL]

perhaps another march in London is due this time in a 4x4.

John

Dont forget about the congestion charges :yawinkle:

[Gary F]

us large engined 4x4 owners, already pay a high tax as we dont do much mpg,theres a bloody high tax % on fuel,,it just another way of getting more money out of the working man,
cant see why all these imargrants want to come to great britain??
great britain my arse

[Pitbull]

If you truelly need a 4x4 for work either towing things or going off road, only those idiots with money are going too use a bloody 4x4 BMW or Lexus. These are the types that need taxing.
And this said I do believe it is luxury 4x4s that they are aiming it at. I don't know of anyone that buys a leaky Defender as a luxury item. Though this may all change with the new transit dashboard and engine that they are putting in it.

[GregMik]

If you truelly need a 4x4 for work either towing things or going off road, only those idiots with money are going too use a bloody 4x4 BMW or Lexus. These are the types that need taxing.

Why do they need taxing?

Greg

[Pitbull]

because there pointless. They dont serve a true purpose, apart from people feeling higher and looking down on the other road users. You dont need a 4x4 for going up and down the motorway.

[Taffwall]

Excuse my ignorance....But aren't taxes suppose to be for paying for services? Sounds to me like this is a penalty.

Greg


it is a penalty, of course. im not agreeing with it, in fact i would appose it strongly if it came to a vote.

please dont take my previous post the wrong way,
my point was that it isnt a specific tax of 4x4 vehicles but of vehicles with high emmissions and engine size(i think) this would also include performance cars and the big luxury ones if i am correct:?:

[Pitbull]

Excuse my ignorance....But aren't taxes suppose to be for paying for services? Sounds to me like this is a penalty.

Greg


it is.

If the american government had the balls too tax the fuel like they do here, you probably wouldn't have to worry about health insurance. Something we dont tend too worry about, but moan about the taxes we pay. The only thing I would moan about taxes was if it were making certain individuals wealthy from it. Ok there will be a few.
But if all of us saved our money, this country wouldn't be as wealthy as it is. The banks would.

you have too spend money too make money.

[Phil Dinsdale]

Sounds like i have hit a nerve with this one.

On the issue of the global warming did anyone watch that conspiricy theory programme the other night? i didnt myself but from what i have heard it made alot of sense. They basically said that global warming was part of the natural cycle of the earth as it did happen millions of years ago. and that how come there wasnt an issue with global warming when london was basically a ball of smog?

correct me if i am wrong about what the programme was trying to get across

Cheers

Phil

[Killer Harris]

Ive always wanted a defender or a disco as I've got 3 kids a misses a dog and a bird soon .I need a big car .It looks like I'm stuck with my crapy Mondao witch probably kicks out more **** than 2.5 diesel
:twisted: BIG BUNCH OF ******S

[Kentish Falconry]

I think they should up the Tax on Luxury cars Porsche, Ferrari, TVR, Rolls Royce, Bentley etc etc. They burn more fuel are driven in the majority by the affluent and lets face it they can afford it!!!!

I drive a Mercedes E320 CDI and this is the most fuel efficient car I have owned giving 48 MPG on a run, around town it gives about 30+ MPG now if you put this against my Land Rover Disco TDI this is almost twice the consumption even My Veto 180 CDI van gives better returns on the fuel than the Disco.
What bothers me more than the fuel at the moment is that the intention is to put up the Road Fund License charges for all 4x4's when just about every Farmer in the country has to have one to get around their fields and I certainly could not get out of my place in the winter if it snows and moving birds out to Hunting grounds would not be feasible from a Merc. I pay the Road fund license on my Disco each year but it actually only does about 4,000 miles a year on or off the road. IMHO the only fair way to deal with the Road Fund license would be to put the price of it on fuel then you would just pay for what you use
Terry

[Hhaawwkkeerr]

Hopefully it will all be a lot clearer by this time tomorrow.

[Jester]

maybe we should all pick a day to drive as economically in our 4x4 (really really slowly :lol: :lol: )as we can to save warming the planet up :roll:



even though it has been warming up and cooling down quite happily on its own for the last several million years

[Kentish Falconry]

Why do they need taxing?

Greg
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If you truelly need a 4x4 for work either towing things or going off road, only those idiots with money are going too use a bloody 4x4 BMW or Lexus. These are the types that need taxing.
And this said I do believe it is luxury 4x4s that they are aiming it at. I don't know of anyone that buys a leaky Defender as a luxury item. Though this may all change with the new transit dashboard and engine that they are putting in it.



I agree with you on the BMW it is just for show but the Lexus is an excellent off road Vehicle, I often drive one in the Gulf they perform the same as the Toyota Land Cruiser in fact they are the same car but just better made with more extras. One thing I like about the Land Cruiser and Lexus in the Gulf is the compass built into the rear view mirror that lights up a night so you can always be sure you are going the right way or knowing me I would end up in Baghdad
Terry :lol: :lol:

[Natch]

I drive a Mercedes E320 CDI and this is the most fuel efficient car I have owned giving 48 MPG on a run, around town it gives about 30+ MPG now if you put this against my Land Rover Disco TDI this is almost twice the consumption even My Veto 180 CDI van gives better returns on the fuel than the Disco.
What bothers me more than the fuel at the moment is that the intention is to put up the Road Fund License charges for all 4x4's when just about every Farmer in the country has to have one to get around their fields and I certainly could not get out of my place in the winter if it snows and moving birds out to Hunting grounds would not be feasible from a Merc. I pay the Road fund license on my Disco each year but it actually only does about 4,000 miles a year on or off the road. IMHO the only fair way to deal with the Road Fund license would be to put the price of it on fuel then you would just pay for what you use
Terrystop moneing u tight ass:finga:

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If you truelly need a 4x4 for work either towing things or going off road, only those idiots with money are going too use a bloody 4x4 BMW or Lexus. These are the types that need taxing.
And this said I do believe it is luxury 4x4s that they are aiming it at. I don't know of anyone that buys a leaky Defender as a luxury item. Though this may all change with the new transit dashboard and engine that they are putting in it.



I agree with you on the BMW it is just for show but the Lexus is an excellent off road Vehicle, I often drive one in the Gulf they perform the same as the Toyota Land Cruiser in fact they are the same car but just better made with more extras. One thing I like about the Land Cruiser and Lexus in the Gulf is the compass built into the rear view mirror that lights up a night so you can always be sure you are going the right way or knowing me I would end up in Baghdad
Terry :lol: :lol:

I'll bet you already know all the best bars.....................

Had a Discovery for a while - worst road-holding car I've ever driven, and I really wanted to like it!

[LSD1]

Your freindly liberals at work trying to take your liberty away again!

Greg

i totaly agree with ya mate :supz: :supz:

[Kevin Massey]

The sooner we have a change of government the better I say:!:

[Elly]

I'll bet you already know all the best bars.....................

Had a Discovery for a while - worst road-holding car I've ever driven, and I really wanted to like it!

My parents used to have one, broke down more often than i could possibley say, i have so many childhood memories of being huddled up on the hard shoulder of various motorways waiting for the AA (so you can imagine it was a looooooong time! :lol: )

The sooner we have a change of government the better I say:!:

Here here! B*ll*cks to Blair! :supz:

[Gosman]

High motoring taxes will only get the poorer drivers off the road, makeing more room for the well off, i thought the labour party were for the working man, but i must be wrong.

[Pendleside]

Im with you Pete. Dual fuel Disco, but we aint allowed the tax break for LPG installed cars FFS!

and we will be liable for the new tax when it comes into force .
as emissions are part of the m.o.t. road tax should be linked to emissions .
much fairer if they want to play the "green " card .

[Pendleside]

spot on greg,,,state of some off the roads over here, your better off with a 4x4,,

dont you mean NEED a 4x4.
beatles line from years ago

"4000 holes in blackburn lancashire" (reference to roads)
probably still on the "to do" list at the highways office .:roll:

[Pendleside]

Simple answer get pre 1972 Land Rovers and say a big s###w you to the Tax man as they are exempt!

get a land rover :roll:
very cold, very noisy, very uncomfortable, very slow, very thirsty horrible looking things .:confused:
saved for years for my first landy and absolutely loved it .:heart:

[Redeye]

get a land rover :roll:
very cold, very noisy, very uncomfortable, very slow, very thirsty horrible looking things .:confused:
saved for years for my first landy and absolutely loved it .:heart:

Got my first and prob last LR 3years ago an old 90. Only use it for feeding the pheasants or hawking if going less than 10 miles or so. Gets pretty much anywhere, only got it stuck once when I drove it into a bog when out lamping.
But not being mechanically minded am now on 1st name terms with the local garage.

That said the engine and structure is sound. Will probably change it for a jap pick up this yr. With the pick ups being classed as commercial vehicles the road tax increase will not apply to these either.

Ivan

[Gary F]

THANKS TO ALL THE CLOWNS WHO VOTED THEM IN...:butthead: :butthead:

[Barry]

Blair & Brown :vom: :snipe: :rock: :chain:

[GregMik]

First the attacks on the field sports, then docking dogs now Taxes....When are ppl going to wake up and realize that liberalism is not about liberty. It is only about controlling what others do, and the redistribution of wealth.

Not to pick on anyone in particular, but I will on Pitbull because I know he can take it.:yawinkle: :) He said that the luxury 4X4's are the ones that "Need" to be taxed. Sure sounds like someone trying to control what someone else does. Now Taxes are becoming a way to penalize someone for doing something someone else doesn't like.

Your Fuel Taxes are not for the upkeep on roads....they are a way to get ppl to drive less and take public transportation more. In my book this is not what Taxes and Govt are for.

Someone mentioned health care earlier. I would rather pay for my own health care than have the Govt run it. Because as soon as you gave the govt control of that, you gave them control of your life. They now can limit the activities you do based on the need to control spending for health care.

Everybody over here can get health care insurance if they really want it. Sure it is a pain to apply for the Govt program to get it...But hey:roll: if you want it you can get it.

Sorry for my rant...

Greg

[TiercelJim]

Im with you Pete. Dual fuel Disco, but we aint allowed the tax break for LPG installed cars FFS!

Karl,were did you here were not allowed the tax break for lpg?ive been trying to find this out as were exempt from congestion charges why not tax?

[Murph]

I keep trying to go on a rant but what use is it! this tax has nothing to do with being green has it; we all know that ! I for one will be keeping my GAS GUZZLER!!! and they can Kiss my AR*E!!!!!!!! Also im lookinng into getting another 4X4 so we will have two!!:supz: My wife loves our CRV so maybe i can pick up a cheap 90 in a few months!:rolleyes:

[Kevin Massey]

Well as expected....he done sweet naff all foe me...AGAIN:roll:

[Jiff]

i never vote, it's like swaping deck chairs on the titanic! YES! tax them gas guzelers, i take the bird in her box, my backward spaniel, two ferrets in a box, my bag, waxy and anything else i need in my honda civic two door hatch back, think of the enviroment, you're all on you're high horses with every other enviromental issue!

[Kevin Massey]

i never vote, it's like swaping deck chairs on the titanic! YES! tax them gas guzelers, i take the bird in her box, my backward spaniel, two ferrets in a box, my bag, waxy and anything else i need in my honda civic two door hatch back, think of the enviroment, you're all on you're high horses with every other enviromental issue!

Mine runs on veg oil way more eco-friendly:supz: ....and I put the bottles in the recycle bin at the supermarket too:lol:

[Sprout]

i never vote, it's like swaping deck chairs on the titanic! YES! tax them gas guzelers, i take the bird in her box, my backward spaniel, two ferrets in a box, my bag, waxy and anything else i need in my honda civic two door hatch back, think of the enviroment, you're all on you're high horses with every other enviromental issue!

If you felt that strongly you'd be walking or public transport??

[Kat67]

Gave up the puffs in Dec. 06 , now on 5-6 bottles of red a week
Temporarily left my van in Wales and inherited a gas guzzler up here
Gawd cant bloody win!!!
Nigel bought new Transit today tho and it has 6 cup holders and a special slot to hold a pop bottle:roll: good to know they're encouraging you to keep your eyes on the driving:roll:
Im just too pee'd off with it all:cry: took bloody ages to get off the moor in the snow today... would like to have seen a car do it:lol:

[Jiff]

i know mate i've smelt it! (comming at least a quarter of a mile away) at the get together i walked down with cash in hand to buy a kabab, only to be greated with you comming round the corner.

[Kevin Massey]

i know mate i've smelt it! (comming at least a quarter of a mile away) at the get together i walked down with cash in hand to buy a kabab, only to be greated with you comming round the corner.

:supz: :supz: that will be me:supz: :supz:

[Jiff]

Gave up the puffs in Dec. 06 , now on 5-6 bottles of red a week
Temporarily left my van in Wales and inherited a gas guzzler up here
Gawd cant bloody win!!!
Nigel bought new Transit today tho and it has 6 cup holders and a special slot to hold a pop bottle:roll: good to know they're encouraging you to keep your eyes on the driving:roll:
Im just too pee'd off with it all:cry: took bloody ages to get off the moor in the snow today... would like to have seen a car do it:lol:

does it have one of them hooks that you hang you're jacket on?

[Jeremiah Johnson]

[quote=Icarus Fell;509111]Surely (and you can bet they won't) the government can set up regional road tax so that people in rural area who are more likely to need an off road vehicle are taxed less than people in built up areas. There's not many farmers I know who can use a Smart car on their farms. QUOTE]

I'm sure this has to be the start of the revolution, every other car in this part of the country is a large 4x4, not because we like them (although I do) but because we need them. Rural areas, rough landscape etc if you live in the "wild & woolly" and you own two cars one of them must be a 4 x 4. A month or so ago we had over a foot of snow, nearest neighbour about quarter of a mile away, nearest "proper" road about a mile away. I had to drive to Liverpool airport, I would never have made it without the Shogun. OK do you need a 4x4 in central London, I don't know, perhaps you do but out here they are an essential part of rural life. People didn't like the poll tax although now looking back it didn't seem so bad but they got rid of it, perhaps another march in London is due this time in a 4x4.

John


Sorry I have to disagree ... I live 1000 + ABSL (close to Lletty) and yes we had over a foot of snow ... I run a 1.9 transporter van and the girlfriend
runs a 1.9 astra

we both got to work on the day's of this years big snow ... snow chains are the solution ...

I have never felt I have needed to own a 4 x 4 .. My personal opinion they are a Iconic status symbol even within the farming community (Landys and some truck cab models the exception) most are not that practical as my father (a farmer found out )

We also use some large 4x4's at my work and have found them impractical in snow

This is just my opinion

p.s John when you calling in

regards Jez

[Pendleside]

i never vote, it's like swaping deck chairs on the titanic! YES! tax them gas guzelers, i take the bird in her box, my backward spaniel, two ferrets in a box, my bag, waxy and anything else i need in my honda civic two door hatch back, think of the enviroment, you're all on you're high horses with every other enviromental issue!

4x4 on lpg .:supz:
better for the environment than petrol or diesel because of low emissions .
what does the civic run on ?
and so called gas guzzlers are already paying more tax at the pump !
no matter what the road tax is i will be keeping it .
no matter what the tax at the pump is i will be keeping it .
blair and the labour party can suck on my environmentally friendly exhaust .
yet another stealth tax .

[Jiff]

the civic runs on syphoned petrol from the council yard!

[Scooter]

well was waiting for the official budget announcement on road tax for so called gas guzzlers to see what was to happen about my landy and have since been on to dvla website . it seems to me that the new £400 per year tax is for vehicles registered after march 1 2001 and can only see that my landy which is older than that is coming up at £180 for the year but others are coming up at £300 straight after the budget on website

www.direct.gov.uk

[Taffwall]

Sounds like i have hit a nerve with this one.

On the issue of the global warming did anyone watch that conspiricy theory programme the other night? i didnt myself but from what i have heard it made alot of sense. They basically said that global warming was part of the natural cycle of the earth as it did happen millions of years ago. and that how come there wasnt an issue with global warming when london was basically a ball of smog?

correct me if i am wrong about what the programme was trying to get across

Cheers

Phil

the planet has a natural cycle that occurs over several thousand/millions of years. it cool then it heats up. this is how 'ice ages' occur. what scientists are concerned about is the rate at which the temperature is currently rising. far faster than in previous cycles. it is the rate of increase that leads them to believe it is being influenced by man rather than another naturally occuring cycle.

[GregMik]

You all need to see this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

Greg

[TiercelJim]

if its lpg its only going up by a fiver.

[Mark Collins]

To many toy 4x4s on the road nowadays, new bmw, mercedes , thats whats forcing the taxes up, most of them go to take the kids to school and then off to tesco, guaranteed , if you asked most of the drivers they wouldnt be able to find four wheel drive let alone use it, its the people that use them that will suffer, its a bloody joke, i would like to borrow one of these brand new bmws and give it a blast around the farm, that would p*** THE OWNER off after all whats the point of having four wheel drive if you dont use it, mark.

[GregMik]

To many toy 4x4s on the road nowadays, new bmw, mercedes , thats whats forcing the taxes up, most of them go to take the kids to school and then off to tesco, guaranteed , if you asked most of the drivers they wouldnt be able to find four wheel drive let alone use it, its the people that use them that will suffer, its a bloody joke, i would like to borrow one of these brand new bmws and give it a blast around the farm, that would p*** THE OWNER off after all whats the point of having four wheel drive if you dont use it, mark.

We can all bitch about the crunchies that by a 4X4 and never use it. But we don't have a leg to stand on. If they work thier butts off to be able to afford the big luxury SUV, why shouldn't they be able to drive it? It is thier choice.

The green wave spreading now is just a way to control ppl. It has nothing to do with being Green. Communism failed, it is just the noe-Marxist's trying to destroy the evil capitalist's.

Greg

[Pearl]

they have to scrape the tax back of the fags guys all these people packing in so hit the 4 x 4 driver there will be more to come :supz:

[John Soulsby]

[quote=Letty;509131]


Sorry I have to disagree ... I live 1000 + ABSL (close to Lletty) and yes we had over a foot of snow ... I run a 1.9 transporter van and the girlfriend
runs a 1.9 astra

we both got to work on the day's of this years big snow ... snow chains are the solution ...

I have never felt I have needed to own a 4 x 4 .. My personal opinion they are a Iconic status symbol even within the farming community (Landys and some truck cab models the exception) most are not that practical as my father (a farmer found out )

We also use some large 4x4's at my work and have found them impractical in snow

This is just my opinion

p.s John when you calling in

regards Jez

I'll jump in the "Gas Guzzler" i.e. Shogun and come over soon, PM me with your phone number so you can be ready with some coffee.

John

[Pete Kent]

This is definately one time we should all use our voice together to let our feelings be known to Government.

£400 road tax ! . . . and that's on top of the recently introduced 'Insurance Premium Tax', ridiculously high tax on our fuel, cameras and police everywhere hell bent on nothing other than 'nicking' the motorist for 'fine money'.

As far as I know there are no plans for excemptions for people who can show they need these vehicles, I maybe wrong, anyone know different ?

Like a lot of you I use my 4X4 to get around on the farmland I fly, I need the internal space for my birds, dog and cage, equipment.

Some might say buy a van ?

I have used a van in the past, absolutely usless for grip, I got stuck too many times to mention.

I suggest we start an internet based protest, some kind of email or website which we can all put our names to. Any of you IT 'boffs' got any ideas on the best way to do this and get it under the nose of our Government ?

[Claire]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
it aint so bad unless your car is brand new and has a really bad c02 emmision
if your car is between 1 and 7 years old the changes might have saved you money, and if you use it for business you should be claiming the tax back, that should apply to breeders and farmers. if you can afford a brand new 4x4 with high c02 emmisions you can afford the tax.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Some might say buy a van ?

I have used a van in the past, absolutely usless for grip, I got stuck too many times to mention


Snow chains 30 quid snap on snap off in a minute

[Barbary Boy]

anyone got a cheap cherokee for sale?

[Pitbull]

there might be a cheap everything pretty soon.:yawinkle:

[Pete Kent]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
if you can afford a brand new 4x4 with high c02 emmisions you can afford the tax.

Whether you can afford it or not isn't the point, it's penalising the people who can afford nice things through many years of hard work again.

[Pitbull]

Whether you can afford it or not isn't the point, it's penalising the people who can afford nice things through many years of hard work again.

you do have a point there. when your thinking of expanding your business from just yourself too taking people on, you have too pay a further 12.8% of their wage on top op their wage as tax, for the privelage of having them work for you.

[Gary F]

Whether you can afford it or not isn't the point, it's penalising the people who can afford nice things through many years of hard work again.
totaly agree pete,they pay there taxes at source and on the fuel they use, insteed of saying let them cough up they can afford ,
why aint people saying b=llocks to blair and his bunch of muppets,
he dosent worry about emmissions when hes got bloody tanks still looking for his n bushs weapons of mass distruction how many years now,

[GregMik]

he dosent worry about emmissions when hes got bloody tanks still looking for his n bushs weapons of mass distruction how many years now,

They did find chemical weapons....You didn't hear much about it in the news tho did ya? What did Sadam do with his aircraft at the beginning of the first War? Did you know there were convoys of trucks going to Syria and to Iran leading up to the second war? Didn't hear much about that in the news either did ya?

This is turning political....needs to be moved into the Politics section. I will leave it here for a bit so ppl can see where it is going to go. If you want to subscribe to the section just PM Finnish or Hawkmaster.

Gre

[Gary F]

: They did find chemical weapons....You didn't hear much about it in the news tho did ya? What did Sadam do with his aircraft at the beginning of the first War? Did you know there were convoys of trucks going to Syria and to Iran leading up to the second war? Didn't hear much about that in the news either did ya?

This is turning political....needs to be moved into the Politics section. I will leave it here for a bit so ppl can see where it is going to go. If you want to subscribe to the section just PM Finnish or Hawkmaster.

Gre
if the bit about tanks and blair bush, has offened you or anyone else remove it,,...:butthead:

[GregMik]

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if the bit about tanks and blair bush, has offened you or anyone else remove it,,...:butthead:

Didn't offend me a bit. Just trying to educate you. You cannot beleive what the Media is telling you. They have their own agenda. You need to dig to find what else is happening. I have no problem debating this with anyone, just want to save all the other ppl from having to read it if they don't want to.

Greg

[Pitbull]

the moment the word TAX was mentioned it went political.