Which would you like too imprint.

[Pitbull]

I don't know nowt about imprinting, or the breeding of BOP, but...
Is there a species that you would like too imprint.

[Shaun Byrne]

I don't know nowt about imprinting, or the breeding of BOP, but...
Is there a species that you would like too imprint.


Big black or white male Gyr:supz: ;)

[Alf]

Blackspar.

[PeregrinesUK]

Blackspar.
Same here Alf female blackspar to fly game... Mike

[Alf]

Mike I would only ever take on an imprint accipiter the likes of sharpies spars and blackspars around 10 to 15 days old.
Anything older I would think twice but that’s just me. Alf


Same here Alf female blackspar to fly game... Mike

[Liam Fensome]

Big black or white male Gyr:supz: ;)


same here

atb
Liam

[Pitbull]

so why the gyr

[Liam Fensome]

so why the gyr

its my dream to have a gyr and breed them
atb
Liam

[SpugHawk]

Tiercel Red Naped Shaheen

Rob

[Berkut]

Of all the birds I have imprinted I enjoyed Elsa the female golden eagle the most.She was hard-penned far too soon for my liking. I will imprint another golden , although it will be for someone else.
Ultimately,I just love the imprinting process.

[PeregrinesUK]

Tiercel Red Naped Shaheen

Rob
Is there anyone breeding 'pure' rednapes in the UK?

[Yeoman]

I don't know nowt about imprinting, or the breeding of BOP, but...
Is there a species that you would like too imprint.

none

[MattSpar]

I wouldn't mind imprinting my ideas in the mind of a certain lady of my aquaintance.....

[Liam Fensome]

Is there anyone breeding 'pure' rednapes in the UK?

Keith aka barbary boy

[Alf]

You would need Joe 90 specks for those thoughts!:yawinkle: Alf

I wouldn't mind imprinting my ideas in the mind of a certain lady of my aquaintance.....

[OutFlying]

Joe 90 :supz:

[RWR]

For me it would have to be imprinting a female Harpy eagle I would feed it straight out of the hand awesome or what. :rolleyes: :goodman: :rolleyes:

[Gyr]

Nice black gyr,always wanted to own and fly one,:supz:

[Gill07]

would love to imprint f coopers in the near future,cracking little fellas:supz:

[Peregrine1]

Is there anyone breeding 'pure' rednapes in the UK?

Pretty sure they is no pure rednapes bred in the UK. Most have a tadge of barbary in I bet.
Regards
Colin

[TimDog80]

female merlin:idea:

[Pitbull]

I would love too be able too imprint a female Golden Eagle for her too then parent rear a chick.

[Intek Hosting]

My original desire was to imprint a female ferruginous hawk, unfortunately my youngster turned out to be a male last year. I have the option of taking on a female again this year but with a human baby on the way I'll give it a miss.

The long term hope is to help with imprinting goldies with Karl once he starts to produce them in numbers exceeding the foster parent's capabilities.
Cant say I would try and imprint a goldie for myself, think I would rather find someone else doing the same thing and swap birds as downy's and then swap them back at hard penning!

[Berkut]

My original desire was to imprint a female ferruginous hawk, unfortunately my youngster turned out to be a male last year. I have the option of taking on a female again this year but with a human baby on the way I'll give it a miss.

The long term hope is to help with imprinting goldies with Karl once he starts to produce them in numbers exceeding the foster parent's capabilities.
Cant say I would try and imprint a goldie for myself, think I would rather find someone else doing the same thing and swap birds as downy's and then swap them back at hard penning!

Good idea Evan.:-|

[1ABHawker]

I will imprint a spar this year but after having an imprint falcon & seeing the playfull way it behaved that's what i really want to do.

[Peregrine1]

My original desire was to imprint a female ferruginous hawk, unfortunately my youngster turned out to be a male last year. I have the option of taking on a female again this year but with a human baby on the way I'll give it a miss.

The long term hope is to help with imprinting goldies with Karl once he starts to produce them in numbers exceeding the foster parent's capabilities.
Cant say I would try and imprint a goldie for myself, think I would rather find someone else doing the same thing and swap birds as downy's and then swap them back at hard penning!

Can't see why imprinting a Goldie is any different to imprinting a falcon or a hawk. I can see if the process goes wrong it could be a nightmare :( The trouble is finding someone to put the work in you would yourself.
Regards
Colin

[Barbary Boy]

Mike I would only ever take on an imprint accipiter the likes of sharpies spars and blackspars around 10 to 15 days old.
Anything older I would think twice but that’s just me. Alf

Alf? what are sharpies, spars, and black spars like at 10 to 15 days old?

what is youre experience of them? do they differ in temperament? are black spars really spars? or are they goshawks for all intents and purposes ?
how many have you flown and do you find much difference between parent reared and imprint? what would you advise as a 1st hawk?
how did you find flying black spars as a whole?

[Berkut]

Can't see why imprinting a Goldie is any different to imprinting a falcon or a hawk. I can see if the process goes wrong it could be a nightmare :( The trouble is finding someone to put the work in you would yourself.
Regards
Colin

Fair comment Colin and spot on. What I will say is if I was imprinting an eagle or any other hawk or falcon for someone else I would treat it as my own.
The reason is because I find the process up to hard penning very endearing in any bird of prey.

[OutHawkn]

I imprint all of my falcons.( except natural breeders)

[Intek Hosting]

Can't see why imprinting a Goldie is any different to imprinting a falcon or a hawk. I can see if the process goes wrong it could be a nightmare :( The trouble is finding someone to put the work in you would yourself.
Regards
Colin

I think the big thing with an Eagle is if you have reared it correctly, it should (like any imprint) see you as some kind of sibling rather than a parent. The problem is Eagles can be rather agressive or at least bullying towards their siblings which is why I would look to doing a swap imprint rather than rearing my own.
Fortunately I already know the man I am going trust to rear my imprint!! I've seen his imprints and I produced a nice well balanced imprint following his advice. I might have to ask him to cut his hair and treat his girlfriend as well as he treats his birds, but I have no concerns about him doing the best he can for my imprint!!

Fair comment Colin and spot on. What I will say is if I was imprinting an eagle or any other hawk or falcon for someone else I would treat it as my own.
The reason is because I find the process up to hard penning very endearing in any bird of prey.
Absolutely agree with Neil on this one, I would treat the bird as if it were my own and take the same care and dedication I would with my own bird.
I think I would also make the effort to go out and meet people like Josuf Hiebler and watch and learn from them before I tried to do an imprint eagle myself.
With a large bird, you dont have the luxury of hoping youre getting it right, you either have to do it right or the bird could end up needing a lethal injection to make it safe to be around.

[Alf]

Keith If I answerer all of your question in any detail I would have to write a book mate.
I can’t say for certain regarding BS or sharpies although I can guess there reactions towards imprinting would be on the same par as our own Euro sparrowhawks. Both these hawks the BS and the sharpies tend to be highly strung and are fearful of any new stimuli both tend to act very similar from what I have read to that of our own Euro spar.
If you’re really interested with the rearing and subsequent value of imprinting these true hawks you should read Desert Hawking 2. Harry putts it all down in words.
My own thoughts with me imprinting a fair number of both goshawks and spars from younger than 10 days old are inconclusive as the fact I cant compare the advantages of hunting a imprint female over that to a parent reared spar because have never hunted a parent reared spar so I cant make comparisons.
I could give accounts of imprint spars I have raised and flown with a fair modicum of success in the field.
Personally speaking and from my own observations with regard imprinting I know it works for me. I know or at least I would think I would have a better chance of making a hunting partner out of a hawk like a BS if I had it before 12 days old starting work on it the moment it came. I do know that the male BS that came my way nearly hard penned all those years ago was hard work to say the least; if I had it from when it was young it would have been ridding my fist feeding from it before it could fly not hanging from it doing summersaults like this crèche reared hawk was the first time I picket it up.
Cant put a value on imprinting these hawks its so beneficial in my view. Alf.


Alf? what are sharpies, spars, and black spars like at 10 to 15 days old?

what is youre experience of them? do they differ in temperament? are black spars really spars? or are they goshawks for all intents and purposes ?
how many have you flown and do you find much difference between parent reared and imprint? what would you advise as a 1st hawk?
how did you find flying black spars as a whole?

[AlexB]

For me it would be a dream to have either a Hodgsons or Changable Hawk Eagle imprint, as at least I would be brave enough to hunt it without too much fear of it bu**ering off on me! :supz:

[XiaTeal'c]

Of all the birds I have imprinted I enjoyed Elsa the female golden eagle the most.She was hard-penned far too soon for my liking. I will imprint another golden , although it will be for someone else.
Ultimately,I just love the imprinting process.

Hi, seems like a good place to join in. Been away on another Forum spree lusting after some bloke on the telly, and come back to find over thirteen thousand messages have gone through the mill over here! You certainly have a lot to talk about! Lucky if I saw a few dozen go by over there!:lol:

Anyway, seriously, doesn't everyone who imprints get a problem with screaming? If not, why not? If so, you must need scream tolerance. Which I (and my neighbours) don't have. Anyone else who has no scream tolerance will be perhaps interested to know that I re-homed three birds who began screaming, two out of aviary and one imprint owl, and they all stopped in their new homes. Went totally silent. Swapping birds might be a good idea, then, for some in this position?

By the way, Berkut, I'd have quoted your signature icons too, if I could find them.....

[Lyn Birds]

i appreciate that imprinting some bop has its benefits but personally i am dead against it the reasons for this is that i feel the bird loses its identity it is no good for breeding unless you AI if the original owners pass them on they then seem to go from pillar to post having lots of different owners during its life (thats without the aggression they can show when they reach maturity) i'm sure many will disagree with me but this is my views on imprinting all the best lyn

[Peregrine1]

i appreciate that imprinting some bop has its benefits but personally i am dead against it the reasons for this is that i feel the bird loses its identity it is no good for breeding unless you AI if the original owners pass them on they then seem to go from pillar to post having lots of different owners during its life (thats without the aggression they can show when they reach maturity) i'm sure many will disagree with me but this is my views on imprinting all the best lyn

When falcon's or hawks are imprinted correctly, they are a dream. I imprint my falcon's and hawks my own way, it will be adapted sometimes to suit the behaviour and traits of different falcons. They cannot under any circumstance become screamers, if you see where I live you will understand :)
Screamers do not make bad breeding birds, might even be better, but they don't make good neighbours :( AS you have said in you're post the down side is incorrectly imprinted falcons and hawks, which don't make it as AI breeders and are a liabilty if tried to be flown. It still amazers me still how many still fall for and buy second hand imprints or parent reared from ads. Off a mate or a bird you have first hand knowledge with it may be different All good imprints show a variety of emotions and behaviour when coming into breeding condition. Mine start with going alittle withdrawn and indifferent, then followed with a lot of verbal comunication (chupping) Then the falcons on entry to the pen show signs of agression, nothing drastic they just raise their hackles while still chupping demanding to be food passed. This then subsides and they become placid and really easy to handle, and then start to stand for copulation, this just a quick brief outline of their behaviour there are other subtle change's.
Imprints done right are a delight, done wrong they are a nightmare, and unfortunatley in the end its the falcons and hawks that suffer. But this also applies to parent reared falcons and hawks that are trashed through incorrect handling, as my mate says these falcons and hawks life there life going through revolving door's :(
Regards
Colin

[Redeye]

If I could guarantee a nice dry winter like 05/06 and someone gave me a couple of grand, like Alf and MT i'd like to try a female black spar.

Ivan

[Tim Laycock]

i appreciate that imprinting some bop has its benefits but personally i am dead against it the reasons for this is that i feel the bird loses its identity it is no good for breeding unless you AI if the original owners pass them on they then seem to go from pillar to post having lots of different owners during its life (thats without the aggression they can show when they reach maturity) i'm sure many will disagree with me but this is my views on imprinting all the best lyn

Blame peoples ****** ideas not imprinting as a means to an end :yawinkle:

[MattSpar]

Keith If I answerer all of your question in any detail I would have to write a book mate.


Do it then. There's room for a good book dealing specifically with this.

I'd buy a copy.....

[Alf]

Matt me write a book with my spelling and grammar! I have trouble writing these short posts mate.:yawinkle:

Do it then. There's room for a good book dealing specifically with this.

I'd buy a copy.....

[Pitbull]

Matt me write a book with my spelling and grammar! I have trouble writing these short posts mate.:yawinkle:
So what makes you different too all the other well known authors.:D

[GoshawkRST]

Aplomados....

[kris_stg]

Mike I would only ever take on an imprint accipiter the likes of sharpies spars and blackspars around 10 to 15 days old.
Anything older I would think twice but that’s just me. Alf

Hi
I have question; If you wont imprint the gyr-saker what is the best age to start ?

[Colin Bevan]

Beind a crow fanatic, I'd like to try a raven.