Imprint Female Peregrine breeding age

[Falcon911]

Hi All,

Interested to know the 'normal' breeding age considered for an imprint Female Peregrine?
2 or 3 years or more?

Thanks
Cheers
Andy

[SnapeDek]

My mates bird laid before she was 2 cheers Rich

[Berkut]

Hi All,

Interested to know the 'normal' breeding age considered for an imprint Female Peregrine?
2 or 3 years or more?

Thanks
Cheers
Andy

Andy,
Others will know better than me , but I would have thought 3 to be about normal.I have known of some at 2 and a couple to breed as juveniles.
Neil.

[pop]

Andy,
Others will know better than me , but I would have thought 3 to be about normal.I have known of some at 2 and a couple to breed as juveniles.
Neil.

hi Neil

Have you records of the juviniles,not disbelieving you just fascinated,I've had 2yr olds laying eggs and heard of one DNA proven wild juvenile female raising her own young in Wales.
Cheers Darren

[Berkut]

hi Neil

Have you records of the juviniles,not disbelieving you just fascinated,I've had 2yr olds laying eggs and heard of one DNA proven wild juvenile female raising her own young in Wales.
Cheers Darren
Darren,
I imprinted a female that layed at 2 . The ones that have bred as juveniles I don,t have records off but the information was given to me by trustworthy breeders over the years. There was a peregrines nest within 50 miles of my house where a juvenile female successfully reared 4 eyasses. Another where a juvenile tiercel become a foster parent to a clutch of 2 or 3.
Regards,
Neil.

[pop]

Darren,
I imprinted a female that layed at 2 . The ones that have bred as juveniles I don,t have records off but the information was given to me by trustworthy breeders over the years. There was a peregrines nest within 50 miles of my house where a juvenile female successfully reared 4 eyasses. Another where a juvenile tiercel become a foster parent to a clutch of 2 or 3.
Regards,
Neil.

Ok Thanks

Darren

[Natch]

Ok Thanks

Darren my female i bred last year p/r is sitt ing
on 4 eggs with no male:oops:

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my female i bred last year p/r is sitt ing
on 4 eggs with no male:oops:

Young p/r female got 4 eggs this early,with no male for stimulation.

sorry dont believe you.

Darren

[Natch]

Young p/r female got 4 eggs this early,with no male for stimulation.

sorry dont believe you.

Darrendon,t give a **** ,,,,come on down and have a look,,,:snakeman:

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don,t give a **** ,,,,come on down and have a look,,,:snakeman:


Sorry too busy breeding Peregines.

Darren

[Finnish]

Young p/r female got 4 eggs this early,with no male for stimulation.

sorry dont believe you.

Darren


I belive him because I have seen them....

[Natch]

Sorry too busy breeding Peregines.

Darrenthat funny i busy breeding peregines to,,,,,,,i was last year ////////don,t coun,t your chick,s yet,,,,,,,,o and 2 years befor :supz:

[Falcon911]

For those that manage to get the imprints laying in thier second, year have they normally laid by now or is it 'normally' a bit early at the moment?
Sorry just trying to get my hopes up!!!
Cheers
Andy

[pop]

For those that manage to get the imprints laying in thier second, year have they normally laid by now or is it 'normally' a bit early at the moment?
Sorry just trying to get my hopes up!!!
Cheers
Andy

Hi Andy

I've had a 2 yr old lay towards end of March but that is unusual.I dont give up on anyage female untill mid may.so loads of time yet.

Good luck
darren

[Falcon911]

Hi Andy

I've had a 2 yr old lay towards end of March but that is unusual.I dont give up on anyage female untill mid may.so loads of time yet.

Good luck
darren


Cheers, I'll keep chatting her up then!

Rgds
Andy

[Natch]

Sorry too busy breeding Peregines.

Darrenby the way this
bird is a game hawk,,for day one8-)

[Barbary Boy]

i think in answer to the original question! juveniles or two year olds do lay, but are the exception. i think for a british peregrine 4yr old is the norm and there are many that take longer? even imprints?

[Natch]

:?: i think in answer to the original question! juveniles or two year olds do lay, but are the exception. i think for a british peregrine 4yr old is the norm and there are many that take longer? even imprints?:?: i ant got a spear male so i wait no rush:D

[Falcon911]

What's the latest date (in the UK) that your first time breeder Imprint Female Peregrine has laid?

Still getting extremely mixed responses from my female. Only a couple of days after I started this post she changed from nothing to very encouraging signs.
She seems to vary a lot and I am trying to gauge how long I have left for success!

Cheers
Andy

[Terry Hanson]

What's the latest date (in the UK) that your first time breeder Imprint Female Peregrine has laid?

Still getting extremely mixed responses from my female. Only a couple of days after I started this post she changed from nothing to very encouraging signs.
She seems to vary a lot and I am trying to gauge how long I have left for success!

Cheers
Andy

Hi Andy, I have two imprinted falcons both are two years old, one of them has layed a clutch of four eggs and is now dropping her feathers like a goose :lol: The other who is her clutch sister is showing encouraging signs, she has not started her moult yet, so there is still hope as It's early still for a young bird.
Good luck Andy
Regards
Terry

[Falcon911]

Cheers Terry, fingers crossed as I am new to the AI game!

Rgds
Andy

[Terry Hanson]

Cheers Terry, fingers crossed as I am new to the AI game!

Rgds
Andy

Same here mate :lol:
Terry

[RedNoseK9]

I havent seen garys peregrine but will back him 100% if he says his pere is sat on four eggs with no male then she is without doubt.
Why would u say he was lyin anyway are u affraid your stock is inferior to his.
or is it another form of jealousy?

[Falcon911]

I havent seen garys peregrine but will back him 100% if he says his pere is sat on four eggs with no male then she is without doubt.
Why would u say he was lyin anyway are u affraid your stock is inferior to his.
or is it another form of jealousy?

Thanks for sharing that with us......

[LongVVing]

I havent seen garys peregrine but will back him 100% if he says his pere is sat on four eggs with no male then she is without doubt.
Why would u say he was lyin anyway are u affraid your stock is inferior to his.
or is it another form of jealousy?

I have a 2 yr old parent reared female peregrine bred by Colin Pass who after feeding up to moult started displaying courtship behaviour towards me although she is not laying. She was still with her parents the day I collected her. I have no tiercel so it wouldnt surprise me to hear that Natch's falcon is sitting on eggs I guess his bird is just more advanced. Unusual yes but not impossible I would say.

Mark

[SeagulBasher]

my female pere has just laid her second egg and she is coming up to 3yrs old she may have laid last year but i dident have the avairy space so who knows now my next question do i fly her again or not as she is the best gull hawk i've had???
all the best with yours hope she lays for you

colin

[StormRider]

Looks like some on here are calling u a liar Natch. I beleive u and good luck with her.

STU

[Falcon911]

Well my 2 year old imprint Peregrine didn't lay but is now making a better scrape than she has done so far. Shame it's all too late! Is this normal for a young bird?
Cheers
Andy

[MitchellBrad]

Well my 2 year old imprint Peregrine didn't lay but is now making a better scrape than she has done so far. Shame it's all too late! Is this normal for a young bird?
Cheers
Andy

I read this thread through and am a little surprised at some of the answers. Back when I had imprints they used to do what you described. They'd act horney as hell. Got home one day and an immature falcon was in the nest wailing her brains out. I figured she was going to lay. Not for 2 more years. Also uncourted falcons quite often lay eggs. A friend has one in Kansas that lays like a chicken then sets them. I've had a couple of uncourted falcons lay but they either scattered eggs everywhere or put them in the scrape then ignored them. My anatums regularly lay at 2 though a few go to 3. The few peales never laid until 3. I don't know about peregrinus.

[Falcon911]

I read this thread through and am a little surprised at some of the answers. Back when I had imprints they used to do what you described. They'd act horney as hell. Got home one day and an immature falcon was in the nest wailing her brains out. I figured she was going to lay. Not for 2 more years. Also uncourted falcons quite often lay eggs. A friend has one in Kansas that lays like a chicken then sets them. I've had a couple of uncourted falcons lay but they either scattered eggs everywhere or put them in the scrape then ignored them. My anatums regularly lay at 2 though a few go to 3. The few peales never laid until 3. I don't know about peregrinus.

I was even wondering if you can spend too much time with them. She was 'inconsistent' - sometimes showing all the right signs then not much another time. If I left her for some time (went off to work for 6 hours) she would be pleased to see me and show more signs than if I had been in and out of the pen all day.....
Cheers
Andy

[jez82]

my female i bred last year p/r is sitting
on 4 eggs with no male:oops:

Bird eggs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_(biology)
Bird eggs are laid by females and incubated for a time that varies according to the species; a single young hatches from each egg. Average clutch sizes range from one (as in condors) to about 17 (the Grey Partridge). Some birds lay eggs even when not fertilized; it is not uncommon for pet owners to find their lone bird nesting on a clutch of infertile eggs.

So i guess I believe you.

ATB Jerry

[JanMan]

I have been a member for a very short time but time enough to discover there are some rather unpleasant, disbelieving *ods amongst our numbers on this Forum. This has nothing to do with imprints but does show some anomolies, albeit human assisted.
This was a pair of second generation, naturally bred and unrelated Kestrels, sitting on the third of triple clutches of five in late June. The eggs hatched in late July and, here's the jangling bit, the hatchlings were implanted with synthetic male and female hormone at about 10 days. This is to be frowned upon and I would now be joining in the frowning, but in the 1970's, falconry as a sport was exploding and there were not the birds to go round. I was breeding Kestrels like quail at the time and the idea was to see if you could get a bit more size to them to make them suitable for beginners. It worked, so to get back to the anomolie.
I made up two pairs from the siblings (brother and sister) in seperate aviaries.
By christmas, both males had virtually completed a moult and looked like adults. By the middle of April, one of the pairs were sitting on five fertile eggs which all hatched naturally and turned into normal sized Kestrels. These went on to breed themselves. So we went from hatching to producing viable eggs in 8 1/2 months. Alright, they were messed about with, but all sorts of anomolies happen in the wild as well so why not believe peoples postings. It is said that some men who eat too much olive oil that contains naturally occuring phyto-oestrogen, can grow quite acceptable boobs, or so I am led to believe.
The photos are rubbish, taken from slides, but show one of the pairs, the male having reached in excess of 12 ozs and look at his feet. The female was abount an ounce less.

[MitchellBrad]

I was even wondering if you can spend too much time with them. She was 'inconsistent' - sometimes showing all the right signs then not much another time. If I left her for some time (went off to work for 6 hours) she would be pleased to see me and show more signs than if I had been in and out of the pen all day.....
Cheers
Andy

Yep. Short periods several times a day worked with the imprints I had.

Brad

[Falcon911]

The bloomin bird seems keener now than during Apr/May and looking in my Diary did the same last year (her first year).
Hope she matures and gets her act together next season!

[Falcon911]

She is now nest scraping better than ever and spending times sitting in it. Any ideas why so late in the season?
Cheers
Andy

[Falcon911]

Hi All, update - been away for a week, came home went down the garden and she was very pleased to see me - staight into the nest ledge chupping/bowing.

I have a question if there is anyone able/willing to answer please!

Although I reared her myself (full food imprint, not flown but handled loads) she is not as tame as a parrot i.e if I go in with her she isn't keen on my hands and fly's off. Last year very late in the season she became receptive and did let me stroke her on the back etc but did not stand properly. I put this down to her being only 2 years old. She was inconsistant in that sometimes she would be amazing and others not showing many courtship signs at all. I spent a lot of time in with her and noticed if I left her for longer periods she seemed (and showed better signs) more pleased to see me.

I havent been in with her for ages (although I feed her through the bars daily) and wonder if I should wait for her to get really serious in her displays and 'invite me in' or should I be going in regularly with her now and food passing?

Thanks
Rgds
Andy

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I find that all peregrines are different, some more friendly trough the whole years while some needs more hormones to bring them in.
I have one who is as tame as a parrot, uses me as a perch all the time, however, she does not like me stroking her at all, al though she would accept it. The best stander I have will chup at me all year, but if i try to touch her she will go absolute crazy! As soon as breeding season start she is the best stander of them all!!
as peregrines don't naturally preen each other its not natural for them to "like" us touching them at any time, the standing is more triggered from a reflex action from the pressure on their back, not the "like" for stroking. So its 100% natural for them not to like us trying to stroke them or touch them before the hormones start kicking in.
I never try to touch any of mine at this time of the year, I will soon start to cut them a little bit, just to make them jump to the glove (the ones who is not doing it anyway), then i will feed them on the hand every second/third day until the hormones starts kicking in, then i will start with nest calling, scraping and food passing.

[Falcon911]

Thanks for the interesting and informative answer. I did used to jump her to the glove but havent done it for ages. I havent actually tried touching her yet this year (like I did last year) and was thinking the same about the stroking as you.

Thanks again
Rgds
Andy

[Falcon911]

Well everbody I am absolutely amazed - she laid her first egg today!!!!
She had been more or less standing for me for the past few days and nest scraping for England. She has been very fidgety though and I couldn't inseminate her. Now she has her first egg though she litterally stands on her head over the egg, even wings hitting the nest ledge and would take any amount you could put in her!!! Missed the first egg obviously but will see how it go's for the rest. Does anyone double clutch a first year imprint? Dont want to take eggs away as they are laid because she dearly loves her egg!

Cheers
Andy

[Fenlands Rescue]

Lucky you Andy.

[Falcon911]

Cheers, a long way to go yet but to see the first egg after three years raising her feels good!

[Falcon911]

Amazed - she hatched 3 chicks (7/8ths Pere/Barb) and started rearing them great. She then got conjuctivitis so unfortunately I had to give the chicks to another pair. Shame but there you go (she is OK now). Before you ask no I cant put any back with her because I want to make sure she is getting her medicine....
Cheers
Andy

[GameHawker]

Amazed - she hatched 3 chicks (7/8ths Pere/Barb) and started rearing them great. She then got conjuctivitis so unfortunately I had to give the chicks to another pair. Shame but there you go (she is OK now). Before you ask no I cant put any back with her because I want to make sure she is getting her medicine....
Cheers
Andy

Good luck with her and keep us posted on there progress.

Regards

Carl Cheshire

[Fenlands Rescue]

i think in answer to the original question! juveniles or two year olds do lay, but are the exception. i think for a british peregrine 4yr old is the norm and there are many that take longer? even imprints?

Thank you that makes me feel better anyway.

[Falcon911]

Quick update - two Tiercels and a falcon! (if anyone is interested they will be for sale) Cant wait till next year now!!

[Fenlands Rescue]

Brilliant Andy. Well pleased for you.

[Falcon911]

Brilliant Andy. Well pleased for you.

Thanks and keep in touch for next year!
Cheers

[Fenlands Rescue]

Thanks and keep in touch for next year!
Cheers

You can count on it.