Gyr/Saker Falcon (Free Hood)

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

Free hood for anyone who can provide their Gyr/Saker Falcon for modelling ..... just provide me with her "behind the eye" measurement as shown on my website and I will make up a new COBRA Arabian for her. All I want in return is some good quality photo's (digital) that I can use :D

**** Also let me know her weight Flying and Moult.

http://www.m-jhoods.co.uk/M-J%20Hoods3/images/COBRA/Arab/Arab5.jpg

[Quiver]

Hi All

Free hood for anyone who can provide their Gyr/Saker Falcon for modelling ..... just provide me with her "behind the eye" measurement as shown on my website and I will make up a new COBRA Arabian for her. All I want in return is some good quality photo's (digital) that I can use :D

**** Also let me know her weight Flying and Moult.

what about a gyr peregrine tiercel griff, also a pere saker female :lol: :lol: .

chris.:yawinkle:

[Pendleside]

or a gos .:lol: :lol:

[GriffMJ]

:lol: :lol: Sorry..... Gyr/Sakers ONLY :D

[Cyclone]

:lol: :lol: Sorry..... Gyr/Sakers ONLY :D

female flys at 1lb 15, was around 53 mm last time i checked i think?
wil get back to you

[nick redwood]

have gyr/saker female in perfet condition but how do i send you my pictures (bit knew to computers)

[Saker-Clive]

Bob, male 3 year old; flies at 1lb. 10oz. - 1lb. 13oz. Has a Ben Long 104 Erin. (Anglo-Indan) Just starting to moult.8-)

And you know I can get good pics:wink:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Bob-settled.jpg

[GriffMJ]

Bob, male 3 year old; flies at 1lb. 10oz. - 1lb. 13oz. Has a Ben Long 104 Erin. (Anglo-Indan) Just starting to moult.8-)

And you know I can get good pics:wink:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Bob-settled.jpg


Ok SS...... size 117 :D PM me postal addy and behind the eye measurement.

[GriffMJ]

have gyr/saker female in perfet condition but how do i send you my pictures (bit knew to computers)

Hi Nick

Excellent ..... have you got a digital camera? If you have .... then just ring me when you have taken your pics and I will talk you through getting them sent via e-mail :D PM me your postal addy etc plus the behind the eye measurement.

[Palmer]

Ok SS...... size 117 :D PM me postal addy and behind the eye measurement.

you put falcon up, so i asumed you ment female! and you kept saying she, thats why i didn't post!!:roll: :cry:

[GriffMJ]

Pattern Update:

One more modification to the pattern is needed..... there is a bit of "Forward & Backward" movement in the hood...... not much..... but enough to make it come over the nostril slightly....... so I will adjust to compensate for this before I start selling this hood..... couple more days of testing until I am happy with it :D

** Noted Palmer ;)

[Agent D.]

gyr\ saker female model if you want it, 58 - 60 mm

all the best, Dave

send to blair drummond, i'll even send it back!

[GriffMJ]

Update:

The Pattern is fine.... I just re-adjusted the brace anchor points and all is well :D

http://www.m-jhoods.co.uk/M-J%20Hoods3/images/COBRA/Arab/Arab12.jpg

gyr\ saker female model if you want it, 58 - 60 mm

all the best, Dave

send to blair drummond, i'll even send it back!

Cheers Dave, I will take you up on that :D

[Agent D.]

send it up with a couple of (f) lugger options, i'll send back the 1's that dont fit with a cheque for the 1 that does!
kindest regards. D

[GriffMJ]

send it up with a couple of (f) lugger options, i'll send back the 1's that dont fit with a cheque for the 1 that does!
kindest regards. D

PM your address Dave

[Agent D.]

done d done done.:D

[Saker-Clive]

Hi Griff, hood arrived a short while ago. Many thanks. You sent a 120 not the 117 but it seems fine. It will probably fit Zarbu as well.

Just took a few quickies; Bob has just eaten so not brill but you will get the idea of fit before I take some good ones :super:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/r0011422.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/r0011423.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/r0011424.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/r0011425.jpg

[GriffMJ]

Hi Clive..... excellent looks fine to me :D I sent a size 120 'cos that is 52mm...... a 117 = 50mm. I think I need to just increase the angle at the corners of the gape a touch .... but the fits seems to be fine.

Did it just slip over the head or was there a slight squeeze to get it on?

On the next pics can you sweep back the top knot strands .... looks a bit odd with them stuck up in the air like that.... :lol:

Bobs a bit "browner" than the other picture?

[Saker-Clive]

Hi griff, that is Bob, not tried it Zarbu yet.

It slipped straight on, then I jiggled it towards the back of the head a touch and struck the braces. I haven't even wetted it in yet.

Now that Zarb's finished her quail and 2 docs. I will go down and try it on her, then post up another:supz:

[GriffMJ]

Hi Clive.... you should not need to wet the hood ......... the hood should just slot into place :D

[Saker-Clive]

Hi Clive.... you should not need to wet the hood ......... the hood should just slot into place

Ok thanks; here's Zarbu with it on......................................you should be able to see the difference as she has the 'spots' on her bib where as Bob is plain.


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Zarb-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Zarb.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Zarb-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/Saker-clive/Zarb-2.jpg

[GriffMJ]

Hi Clive.... well I am happy..... just a trim to the pattern on the gape corners :D looks good on both falcons..... Zarbu ... especially :supz: Whats her weight flying and moult?

Do you like the shape and eye room etc?

[Saker-Clive]

This year, I was mostly flying her around 2lb. - 2lb. 1oz. This morning, she is 2lb. 3 3/4oz. in moult.

As always, the hoods are the 'dogs-danglies' and I'll get some decent pics. soon:supz:

Thanks again; and if ever you want a model for any new style...........you know where I am:-D

[Agent D.]

2lb. 6

[Agent D.]

(f) lugger 1lb.7

[GriffMJ]

Hi Dave..... is all ok :D Look ok from here :D

Gyr/Saker Falcon @ size 130 (58mm)
Lugger Falcon @ size 105 (47mm)

[Agent D.]

hi griff, recieved the hoods today,
pretty impressed,

if i was being picky!!!, and believe me i can't do better! (those that can't teach and all that) i'd say:-

i) gape corners on the two (and also the red'n) are two low.
ii) bottom of the mouth piece could be curved to give it a tighter snug fit and a thicker chin strap.
iii) curved mouth piece to pinch the nose together as it leaks light from just under the cere. and both birds could see movement.

asides from that; IMO, they are ABSOLUTELY FAULTLESS arount the back, where the braces sit, and pull up very neatly. in terms of front to back movement as discussed i think adjustment to the mouth piece shape will sort that.

The Hoods are amazingly spacious around the eyes, really needs to be seen to be believed quite how much space the cobra affords the hawk, especially the googly eyed, lugger!. IMO THE most spacious looking and comfy hood i've seen.
in summary they pull up very well, and the shape of the hood is amazing, stiching is unasailable, just a few alterations to the shape and location of the mouth piece and i think this hood is unbeatable for shape and comfort.

But thats what these tests are for!, universal testing!
a great product nearly there!
rep added griff!!:supz:

[GriffMJ]

Hi Dave

Top feed back !! Many thanks.....

Gape:

Noted and already adjusted :D Because this hood has no sewn in throat strap the bottom of the hood is less stiff and therefore loses retention on the block.... hence the corners of the gape collapsing over the soft parts of the gape. The pattern adjustment I have just done will eliminate that and fit correctly from now on.

Hood:

I think I can safely say there is no danger of eye problems with the amount of space the hood gives .... and the deepest part is directly over the eye.... with a slightly raised orbital brow clearance as well. Casting depth and width is not an issue either :D

[Saker-Clive]

Hi Clive.... well I am happy..... just a trim to the pattern on the gape corners :D looks good on both falcons..... Zarbu ... especially :supz: Whats her weight flying and moult?

Do you like the shape and eye room etc?


Yes mate, I prefer hoods with 'more' eye space; that way if a hood is not slightly the right size (on the smaller side) then there is no way the eyes will rub the inside:supz:.
Is the 'finish' just for the 'freebie-prototypes' or will you be using the chromed hide for the production models. I quite like this finish as when used for everyday use it looks more of a field hood:wink:

The outer seem is almost invisible, very impressive. I must agree with Dave, the chin strap could do with being about 3mm wider but as my pics show, mine fits both birds beatifully.

[Agent D.]

kind of what i mean, to me the mouth opening is too triangular.

other then that FAULTLESS.

VERY good.

[GriffMJ]

Yes mate, I prefer hoods with 'more' eye space; that way if a hood is not slightly the right size (on the smaller side) then there is no way the eyes will rub the inside:supz:.
Is the 'finish' just for the 'freebie-prototypes' or will you be using the chromed hide for the production models. I quite like this finish as when used for everyday use it looks more of a field hood:wink:

The outer seem is almost invisible, very impressive. I must agree with Dave, the chin strap could do with being about 3mm wider but as my pics show, mine fits both birds beatifully.

Hi Clive

Many thanks ....

The "Arabian COBRA" will be made exactly like that ...... its more practical I think. To clean it... get yourself a "suede brush" from your local shoe store and that will bring it up nicley (also hide the seam a bit more as well).

Chin Strap:

I have made a thinner chin strap on the "Arabian" becuase the neck appeture is slightly smaller on this hood than the normal COBRA Dutch version. I will look at widening it a touch..... but I beleive its about right :D

[GriffMJ]

Hi Dave.... all done :D I wont put in the flaps at the "nares"...... but have just tucked it in slightly to follow the contour..... the corner gape adjustment is done.

This has only happened because of the soft neck line..... as you can see below.... the normal Dutch version with a sewn in throat strap keeps the shape better ..... therefore the gape does not deform.

http://www.m-jhoods.co.uk/M-J%20Hoods3/images/Gallery/COBRA/Pete3.jpg

[Agent D.]

Sexy!:supz:

[Peregrino555]

Here is my Female Gyr/saker fly 2lb 10oz

[Peregrino555]

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[Quiver]

Here is my Female Gyr/saker fly 2lb 10oz

thats a nice looking falcon you have there.

chris.:yawinkle:

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Hi all,

Just wanted to say how great it is to see falconers really trying to do their very best to make their falcons as comfortable as possible. Love the pics too!

Likewise, imaginary rep points added to you Griff, for doing such extensive & informal/"open" field testing of this brilliant new hood model of yours. You're really setting an example that is hard to beat in my opinion! :supz:

Cheers,
/Magnus

[Peregrino555]

thats a nice looking falcon you have there.

chris.:yawinkle:

Cheers mate