if the price was right

[GDN]

This was something that i thought about on another thread

Who would buy a goldie if it was cheap enough - £1500 for a male and £2500 for a female which is possible as they seem to be coming down in price as there seems to be more people breeding or trying to breed them and the length they live which could quickly lead to supply outstripping demand.

The thing that bothers me is that i suspect that most people don't have access to land that would suit a goldie or there is a very real chance of conflict/incidents

[Mr_Colin]

Simple answer for me, NO. Wrong land, ***** falconer:lol:

JOKE KEV

[Kevin Massey]

Not me...dont have the land that I would want to fly them to there full potential

[Accipter-Gentilis]

simple answer=no

wrong land

not enough space to house one

dont interest me:yawinkle:

[Kevin Massey]

Simple answer for me, NO. Wrong land, ***** falconer:lol:

Agreed

[Joey]

to big for my graft but if i had the land and the landy to carry one i would get one in about 10 years time after my gosse spars falcons and hawk eagles are what am i on about thats all dreams



joey

[Pitbull]

it aint the money that does it for me. I have been told by many I am ready for 1. I have got the time and possibly the amount of quarry for 1. I even have the 5k to get 1.
But If I don't think its right for me in my head at that time I won't.

[Trappa]

No, i had a bit of an argument with martin hollinshead about 10 yrs ago. He was at a falconry fair and i asked him what bird would be best for hare(something i was hawking at the time) HH or RT, he kept saying a male golden- i said that they were too dear and my aviary wasnt big enough, but he was a bit snotty and said i should get a goldie anyway.

[GaryPCO]

wouldnt want one for anything broad wings dont interest me,dont have the land quarry or inclanation to fly one,my true goal is an accipiter i dont even look at longwings,i have no interest in anything other than shortwings!

[Banwell Falconry]

I'd have one tomorrow if i had the cash, as i have the space and the country to fly it over.......anyone got £3000 to lend me..LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TimDog80]

being a realist i would not have one given to me as i could not do it justice and i beleive it takes a complete diffrent falconer altogether to fly eagles confidently!!!, my dream bird was/is a pure peregrine and i would also have to turn one of them down even if they were free as i aint got the desired quarry available regularly enough to do it the justice i would like too!!!
.....maybe one day in another life:-|
regards
tim:D

[Elly]

Its not the money that would stop me. Having the money to do so should not be a reason to buy any bop. I do have the ambition to fly an eagle at some point in my life. But i will only commit to doing that when everything falls into place. By that i mean, the right land, the correct quarry in strong numbers, the experience, the time... when all those things fall into place for me, i will worry about the money. And if i had to pay £6000 for the right bird, i would rather do that ten times over than pay £1500 for the wrong bird.

[Berkut]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.

Is now time to do something about it before it is too late.

[Alf]

Stunningly beautiful but not for me, I do think though the price of any eagle should be kept as high as possible cant see there being huge numbers bred as they only lay a couple of eggs a year and that’s if they lay every year. Alf.

[Greg]

I've wanted a Goldie since I started falconry and that is now a long time! I applied for a licence to take one for years but then they stopped giving licences for wild eagles. Then comes the family and not living in the right place to fly one. So now many years later I am now getting ready to obtain my Goldie. First I am learning as much as possible getting all the equipment and accommodation ready then and only then will I get the bird. Living on a mountainside in the Lake District is just about as good a place to fly an eagle as you will find. So yes I am getting ready and yes I will be flying one. Although price may not be important to some people it is to me and until the last couple of years they were out of my reach.
A high price will not ensure that eagles go to the right homes and only recently I heard of an eagle that had been kept on the balcony of a flat in a high-rise block for two years. Neil is correct the dangers are there but I think vetting of potential buyers will do more good than inflated prices. These will encourage people to source the eagles from Europe and has been said it is not always possible to know how they have been reared. A malimprint Goldie is not something I would like contemplate handling!

[GDN]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.

Is now time to do something about it before it is too late.

Berkut

What you are saying is right.

People say that the harris hawk is bad for the sport but a goldie in the wrong hands is truely scary.

At the time of this post 13 people have poosted a reply but it has been looked at 139 times (i'll take responsibilty for 5). Is there anyone in that 139 who would say "yes if the price is right i'm there" regardless of looking at the bigger picture i would say "yes".

As the price come down it becomes within more people's reach and in the bird of prey world people have a bad habit of where they think with their hearts rather than their head which could lead to problems.

[Gary F]

we are talking imports?? i know one dealer abroad who will imprint it for you if desired? train it to lure/fist,the whole package ready trained eagle,,
i love eagles,yes id love to fly one,maybe one day own one, when im fitter,the right land,quarry,more time to do the bird justice, but saying that id buy from a recommened british dealer,
not being awkward dont pm/ask for dealers contact number,i wont give it out ,dont agray with it,,

[MsGizmo]

not to be 1 of the 139! (dont you just wish folks would not just view, but, pass an opinion?)

it's a NO for me! I'd be out of my tree!

fabulous birds, :heart: I'd love to have a flying experience with one ...perhaps on the blue hares... that would be awesome,

as for ever owning one, despite my millions!!! :rolleyes: i'll leave that to the folks who can.

[TimDog80]

............ balls to it im gonna order two as i got a spare shed out the back:lol: :lol:

[Accipter-Gentilis]

............ balls to it im gonna order two as i got a spare shed out the back:lol: :lol:

thats the spirit tim :lol: :rolleyes:

[TimDog80]

thats the spirit tim :lol: :rolleyes:
well why not:roll: ..... bloody bargin!!!!!!!........ im taking orders now for 2008 anyone interested?????:rolleyes:

[Gary F]

............ balls to it im gonna order two as i got a spare shed out the back:lol: :lol:
why bother with a shed, gerald summers <owned by a eagle> kept his in a flat in london,before he moved to wales, pmsl

[HawkMan69UK]

i had a mass dicussion at work today on the very subject...i have a tawny eagle which as some of you know is a display bird. nothing more nothing less ..the land i have available is enough to fly her on in relitive safty ..one of my guest asked why i dont have a goldie ..simple reason SAFTY ISSUE why fly something that is potensionly dangourous in an area its not supposed to be in...we dont have goldies in the south for a reason the land is not right for them therefore never giving them there true potantial...imho

[HawkMan69UK]

plus money should never be a factor

[GDN]

i had a mass dicussion at work today on the very subject...i have a tawny eagle which as some of you know is a display bird. nothing more nothing less ..the land i have available is enough to fly her on in relitive safty ..one of my guest asked why i dont have a goldie ..simple reason SAFTY ISSUE why fly something that is potensionly dangourous in an area its not supposed to be in...we dont have goldies in the south for a reason the land is not right for them therefore never giving them there true potantial...imho

I agree 100%

[Berkut]

i had a mass dicussion at work today on the very subject...i have a tawny eagle which as some of you know is a display bird. nothing more nothing less ..the land i have available is enough to fly her on in relitive safty ..one of my guest asked why i dont have a goldie ..simple reason SAFTY ISSUE why fly something that is potensionly dangourous in an area its not supposed to be in...we dont have goldies in the south for a reason the land is not right for them therefore never giving them there true potantial...imho

plus money should never be a factor

Totally agree with both posts Gary.

[Chicquera]

I think if the price of golden eagles drop to a level were they could end up in the wrong hands everyone must appreciate that it only takes one child or a member of the public to get injured by one of these birds and there could be a serious risk of them being brought under the control of the "Dangerous Wild Animals Act" and then that would be the end of anyone flying an eagle in this country !

[Berkut]

I think if the price of golden eagles drop to a level were they could end up in the wrong hands everyone must appreciate that it only takes one child or a member of the public to get injured by one of these birds and there could be a serious risk of them being brought under the control of the "Dangerous Wild Animals Act" and then that would be the end of anyone flying an eagle in this country !

Gary I couldn,t agree more.

[MusketMad]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.

Is now time to do something about it before it is too late.here here i handle eagles on a daily basis and in the wrong hands they are a liability. to hunt a goldie you have to have the right sort of land..ie scotland...if you havent got the land then dont bother...you cant fly these things down the local marsh...for one there are too many hazards the other is the stupid twats that walk up to you with dogs and say "thats nice" "what is it a kestrel"???:confused: ..

[Berkut]

here here i handle eagles on a daily basis and in the wrong hands they are a liability. to hunt a goldie you have to have the right sort of land..ie scotland...if you havent got the land then dont bother...you cant fly these things down the local marsh...for one there are too many hazards the other is the stupid twats that walk up to you with dogs and say "thats nice" "what is it a kestrel"???:confused: ..

Nigel,how true is that .I,ve lost count of how many times i have been asked
"Is that a kestrel mate"

[LongVVing]

For me the answer would be no. I would like to have the chance to fly one yes but be realistic I dont have the suitable land or quarry to fly one. Neither do I have the necessary experience to train one. I would need a radical change in location and lifestyle before I could seriously consider an eagle.

I am a little concerned though about them becoming more available and a serious incident is just a matter of time.

Mark

[PitBullOne]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.

Is now time to do something about it before it is too late.

i agrey and ime off up the hospital,because my arm is swelling after a rear talon from a femle imprint slid under the glove and into my arm this afternoon,this would probably be enough to make the penis extension crowd think hard \or sell.she didnt mean to hurt me,but evev with care and experience you can still be punished

[Gill07]

i simpley wouldnt have 1 given couldnt do 1 justice,they should be left 2 the true experts.wouldnt like 2 think of the danger of them getting into the wrong hands.

[Chicquera]

It's a sad thing to have to say as I believe in as least control as possible but if the price of Golden Eagles drops anymore I think it would be in the interest of people who have a genuine interest in these birds to request some kind of State control themselves before the whole situation gets out of hand, no pun intended !



Gary I couldn,t agree more.

[Rabbit Killer]

This was something that i thought about on another thread

Who would buy a goldie if it was cheap enough - £1500 for a male and £2500 for a female which is possible as they seem to be coming down in price as there seems to be more people breeding or trying to breed them and the length they live which could quickly lead to supply outstripping demand.

The thing that bothers me is that i suspect that most people don't have access to land that would suit a goldie or there is a very real chance of conflict/incidents

Take a look at the post I put on the other thread regarding Goldies, it supports what you quote above, I'm pleased someone is thinking the same as me, ie: common sense.

[Kevin Massey]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.

Is now time to do something about it before it is too late.

Interesting Neil...Do you beleive that breeders are having to sell them onto the wrong people jut to move them on?

[Finnish]

The answer for me would be no. I have no interest in Eagles. I would not pay £200.00 for one... Just don't seem to be the passion for me. I don't mind going out with me mate and his Marshall. But would not fly and Eagle..

[Jacob Ewing]

I would be more than happy if the price doubled .It would mean I would have to pay more for my eagles but at least it would mean less getting into the wrong hands. I shudder to think what the situation will be like in 5 or 10 years with golden eagles. In the spring there were 172 in captivity.I wonder how many of them are garden ornaments or penis extensions.

You are talking about a bird that ,in the wrong hands could not only do serious harm to a human being ,but could also bring our own sport into disrepute,through the actions of would be handlers.


Berkut, you’re absolutely right. I could not add nothing more.

[Harrisii]

the simple answer is NO.
i wouldnt have one.

i am happy with what i have at this time and dont feel the need to change it.
if and when that time comes i will try somewthing different but definately not an eagle.

[Berkut]

Interesting Neil...Do you beleive that breeders are having to sell them onto the wrong people jut to move them on?

Some will Kevin. The real problem is people buying them in at reduced prices to try and make some easy money. I know the guy that breeds my eagles is very selective about who he sells them to.

[GDN]

If a breeder sold a goldie on to some one just to shift it and the bird then went went on to be involved in a incident and it came to lite that the person who bought the goldie wasn't suitable.

Could the breeder be liable for selling a bird to the wrong person and not showing due diligence and making sure that they were able to look after it or will the new animal welfare legislation cover that

[Elly]

Nigel,how true is that .I,ve lost count of how many times i have been asked
"Is that a kestrel mate"

Well, it balances out cos im forever being asked if Bagot is an eagle :rolleyes:

We had a thread a while back, i think Laggan started it, on the declining prices of eagles and the impact it would have on the future of falconry. It honestly doesnt bare thinking about. A harris in the wrong hands can be dangerous, a goldie in the wrong hands.. well, the very idea makes my skin crawl. But if somethings not done, it'll happen. The prices of importing eagles is already low, and if british breeders start to compete we could be in real trouble. Having said that, there are already enough half wits out there with more money than sense, no doubt a few of them have "garden ornaments" and "penis extensions" regardless of the price tag. I would be happy enough also to see prices sky rocket though.

[CanadaManada]

Not allowed to fly them off the creance in Japan. Listed as a "dangerous animal". Probably some idiot took one to a dogpark years back. Lots of toy poodles around here...:rolleyes:

[Sandeep]

Too big for my liking... Just love the Goldie but too big for me. The biggest I would ever fly is a Bonellis eagle. I guess the reason I feel this way is because I dont have the right country to fly a Golden....

Its an awesome bird...

[Mark Collins]

Not about money , its about commitment and available land, local dog walking population, etc, no good having a eagle sat on a nice block if its not flown, terrible waste, not to many falconers around that could do one justice, there are some good commited eagle flyers on here , i for one take my hat off to them , its a long slow process, not for the begginners or the faint hearted, mark.

[Roy Lupton]

I agree with the comments so far. Does any one have any ideas on how to stop Larger Eagles ending up in the wrong hands?.

For example. If you said that you had to be in a certain gegraphical location.

That would mean that I would not be able to own a Goldie even though I spend my season traveling the uk and europe hunting with them.

[Kevin Massey]

For example. If you said that you had to be in a certain gegraphical location.

No I dont think so.... Imo the location is paramount to flying them to there full potentual..However dont mean they cant be flown well (mind you what the hell do i know about it)...

As for how do you stop any animal falling into the wrong hands its a tough one

[SBFalconry]

we are talking imports?? i know one dealer abroad who will imprint it for you if desired? train it to lure/fist,the whole package ready trained eagle,,
i love eagles,yes id love to fly one,maybe one day own one, when im fitter,the right land,quarry,more time to do the bird justice, but saying that id buy from a recommened british dealer,
not being awkward dont pm/ask for dealers contact number,i wont give it out ,dont agray with it,,

sorry gary but what do you mean when im fitter ? There's only one way for you, you old ****,you'll be much more suited with a canary:lol:

[Gary F]

sorry gary but what do you mean when im fitter ? There's only one way for you, you old ****,you'll be much more suited with a canary:lol:
thats rich coming from you pal, i can get fitter, your never be over 5 foot nothing;
hi ho hi ho

[Saker Mad]

it is a scarry thought of them becomeing cheap like harris hawks me personally would love to fly one BUT not for a long time yet it is a dream but i dought it would become a reality

will just have to beg a day watching berkut flying his:goodman: :supz: hint hint well someones got to ask :rolleyes: