How much time do you interract with the bird...

[GoshawkRST]

Hello Everybody,

I have a doubt about imprinting goshawks for artificial insemination ( and also semen donors ), about the time you interact with the bird every day ( passing food etc... )

Do you belive a person that work from morning to night, and have just half an hour to interact with each bird ( 2 goshawks ), passing food etc... will be able to make a semen donor and a female accepting as a mate ?

( that´s my situation, working alot and I am just curious if I will be able to do this ).

I apreciate any critics and any Imput.
Best regards.
Sergiu...

[Onyx25]

This is my first year working with gosses for ai and have found spending too much time with them is counter productive but would doubt half an hour is enough time.

[GoshawkRST]

Well, I tell you more.

I have 2 free chambers, the sizes of these are 3m X 3m X 2m high, and Friday a falconer will bring some goshawks from germany, they will be around 20 days or less, so I was thinking to give it a try.

I wanted to breed each bird in one chamber, in a nest in the corner of the chamber, right from the beggining in the nest there, and come in with food, interact with the bird, also from time to time fly it to the fist on the crance, and also feeding them on the fist in the chamber etc...

This way to produce a female accepting me as her mate, and a semen donor.

Maybe I´ll have a little more time each day for them, and all the weekend I´m free to interact with them all day if necesarry.

Breeding accipiters is one of my dreams, and in around 4 days I will also receive 2 more sparrowhawks to breed in a close aviary, they will be around 20 days old and I will breed them togheter in a nest in a corner.

I will put some pics of the aviary, tomorrow.

Any more opinions?
Best regards and thankyou!

Sergiu...

[Berkut]

This is my first year working with gosses for ai and have found spending too much time with them is counter productive but would doubt half an hour is enough time.

Sergui,
I agree with the above comments but would also say if you hunt with these goshawks your chance of success breeding with them will be far greater.
Neil

[Pete Sibson]

I`ve always found short and often works best, looking at male goshawks they won`t spend very much time around the female unless they bring food etc. Most often they like their own space! thats why we hear of females killing the male in parent reared breeding. The females will usually give you a warning either by body language or vocal.

[GoshawkRST]

Hello Berkut,

my chances of success breeding with them will be far greater, as the chances of loosing them :)
Anyhow, after thinking, it´s worth giving a try !

It´s interresting ! Anyhow, I am keep thinking on one think and I see nowbody say about it... and full hand reared goshawk, if cut his weight to fly him... will not become very agresive???

Thankyou again for the imput, and I will gladly accept any more imput or critics.

best regards!
Sergiu...

[Berkut]

Hello Berkut,

my chances of success breeding with them will be far greater, as the chances of loosing them :)
Anyhow, after thinking, it´s worth giving a try !

It´s interresting ! Anyhow, I am keep thinking on one think and I see nowbody say about it... and full hand reared goshawk, if cut his weight to fly him... will not become very agresive???

Thankyou again for the imput, and I will gladly accept any more imput or critics.

best regards!
Sergiu...

Sergiu,
I have a female goshawk here at the moment that was openly hand fed.When her weight is reduced she wants to kill me.
Neil.

[Pete Sibson]

Hello Berkut,

my chances of success breeding with them will be far greater, as the chances of loosing them :)
Anyhow, after thinking, it´s worth giving a try !

It´s interresting ! Anyhow, I am keep thinking on one think and I see nowbody say about it... and full hand reared goshawk, if cut his weight to fly him... will not become very agresive???

Thankyou again for the imput, and I will gladly accept any more imput or critics.

best regards!
Sergiu...
Then you`ll need to look at the method of imprinting!

[GoshawkRST]

Neil, that is what I´m trying to say !
If she wants to kill you when you cut her weight a little bit... what about hunting with them ??? I already see myself on the field, alone, with a female goshawk attached to my head, screaming for help :lol:

[Berkut]

Neil, that is what I´m trying to say !
If she wants to kill you when you cut her weight a little bit... what about hunting with them ??? I already see myself on the field, alone, with a female goshawk attached to my head, screaming for help :lol:

Sergui,
If I was imprinting a gos for breeding or flying I would socially imprint it and would not let it see me feed it.This would avoid the aggression,or at least most of it .I have flown both types of imprint.A food imprinted gos I will never fly again because I value my eyes too much. A good social imprint will show little or no aggression when the weight is reduced.
Regards,
Neil.

[GoshawkRST]

Yes Neil, thankyou !

But the difference between a hand feed bird and an McDermott tipe bird.... what about the voluntary semen donor ? or the female acepting you as her mate?

McDermott type birds, can become semen donors ?

Best regards and thankyou again !

Sergiu...

[Onyx25]

Yes Neil, thankyou !

But the difference between a hand feed bird and an McDermott tipe bird.... what about the voluntary semen donor ? or the female acepting you as her mate?

McDermott type birds, can become semen donors ?

Best regards and thankyou again !

Sergiu...

Social imprints that are hunted form a very close bond rather than just seeing you as a food source. Many of these birds will breed in the 1st season as 'brown' birds evidence of which is on the forum. I have not been involved with full food imprints others may be able to help you more. What is far more important if you can achieve it is to fly the birds to ensure they are suitable stock to breed from. I know this is not always possible but it will greatly enhance their fitness and well being and ensure you are not breeding from duds.

[Accipiter3]

Hello Berkut, my chances of success breeding with them will be far greater, as the chances of loosing them :) Anyhow, after thinking, it´s worth giving a try !

It´s interresting ! Anyhow, I am keep thinking on one think and I see nowbody say about it... and full hand reared goshawk, if cut his weight to fly him... will not become very agresive???
Thankyou again for the imput, and I will gladly accept any more imput or critics. best regards! Sergiu...

Hi Sergiu,

While I definitely think that imprinting and flying the birds is best for breeding, I also think that you don't have the time for it. To do a good job of it, you have to keep the birds around you pretty much full time. And then you have to hunt them pretty much daily. With a pair of young goshawks and a pair of young spars, you'd have to quit your job. Do they have a good welfare program over there? ;) Just tell them it's a sickness you have and can't get over it.....

It sounds like you would be better off raising them together so they will breed naturally. It would still be best to hunt with them. Then, about the end of January put them in adjacent pens with a barred window between and give each a nest to work on. Don't put them together until they are trying to mate through the bars, and when they finish making a clutch, separate them again.

With imprints you have to spend time in the chambers of each helping with nest building and doing general "mate" duties. It doesn't take a lot of time, but it needs to be done two or three times a day at least. I live close to work and come home for lunch, so I go to them before work, at lunch, after work and later in the evening.

[Austringer84]

Sergio, i wish you all the luck in the world, and im pleased that the likes of neil and others are so open and helpful. good on you lot.

keep us updated sergio.

si