Cinnibar

[Berkut]

I have Cinnibar back now.Here is a photograph just taken.I will try and get some better ones of her later.

[PaulWar3]

Is this going to be another diary type tread to look forward to Neil?:yawinkle:

Paul

[Misty]

You've lost me neil, what do you mean, got her back, where did she go?

[Pearl]

You've lost me neil, what do you mean, got her back, where did she go?it wasnt my house :cry: :cry:

[Berkut]

Is this going to be another diary type tread to look forward to Neil?:yawinkle:

Paul

Paul,
It won't be a diary thread as such. She is 9 years old and was the only golden eagle bred at the National Bird of Prey Centre by JPJ. Her mother was Philip Glasiers old eagle Sable. I have had her for 5 years and caught a few head with her from the waiting on position. She is quite a lump of an eagle.
I got her back on Sunday as she had been away for breeding.Unfortunately she has suffered some damage to her wings and was under anaesthetic for a couple of hours today while a series of x-rays were taken. Thankfully no fractures as initially thought, but there appears to be nerve damage to both wings and she is to be rested for a prolonged period. Hopefully she will make a full recovery.
Neil.

[Nemesis]

hi neil hope all works out for the bird and you mate /dave

[PaulWar3]

Paul,
It won't be a diary thread as such. She is 9 years old and was the only golden eagle bred at the National Bird of Prey Centre by JPJ. Her mother was Philip Glasiers old eagle Sable. I have had her for 5 years and caught a few head with her from the waiting on position. She is quite a lump of an eagle.
I got her back on Sunday as she had been away for breeding.Unfortunately she has suffered some damage to her wings and was under anaesthetic for a couple of hours today while a series of x-rays were taken. Thankfully no fractures as initially thought, but there appears to be nerve damage to both wings and she is to be rested for a prolonged period. Hopefully she will make a full recovery.
Neil.

Sorry Neil,
Hope she makes a full recovery, shes a stunning looking bird. atb

Paul

[LeighJauncey]

Paul,
It won't be a diary thread as such. She is 9 years old and was the only golden eagle bred at the National Bird of Prey Centre by JPJ. Her mother was Philip Glasiers old eagle Sable. I have had her for 5 years and caught a few head with her from the waiting on position. She is quite a lump of an eagle.

Neil.

Do you think she looks like her mum? So they eventually found a male she (Sable) didn't 'beat up' then.

[AlexB]

Hi there Neil, good to see her back with you.

ATB

Alex

[Lady]

Wow! Neil she's stunning.
So sorry to hear she's been in wars and fingers crossed she's fighting fit again soon.

[BFG]

looks nice:cool:

[Eagle Owl]

So sorry, Neil. Hope all goes well and she make a complete recovery. Fingers crossed for you!

She is a beauty, by the way:!:

[Richard]

Hope she gets back into action this year Neil, might not be the best picture ever taken but she ranks amongst the finest i've ever seen :wink:

[Berkut]

Here are some more of Cinnibar and one of Cinnibar,Bentley and Vlad enjoying the sun.

[Richard]

Here are some more of Cinnibar and one of Cinnibar,Bentley and Vlad enjoying the sun.

Do you have any cat troubles?

[Paddy1]

Do you have any cat troubles?



wouldnt of thought so mate not with them 3 sat in the garden:shock:

[Richard]

wouldnt of thought so mate not with them 3 sat in the garden:shock:

lol true :lol:;)

Obviously its late in the year but when you block them out like that do you think you'll get interaction between Cinnibar and bentley/vlad/neil?

Summer lovin' and all :rolleyes:

[TimDog80]

hope all turns out well for you neil, bet you have to pinch yourself when you look out the window to see them stunning eagles of yours weathering on your lawn:D

best regards
tim:D

[Paddy1]

best of luck with her mate

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

Do you have any cat troubles?

only when the cats in the middle and they are all baiting for it!!!

[Berkut]

lol true :lol:;)

Obviously its late in the year but when you block them out like that do you think you'll get interaction between Cinnibar and bentley/vlad/neil?

Summer lovin' and all :rolleyes:

When I first fattened up Bentley and Vlad ,Bentley was trying to feed Vlad.This could be a very encouraging sign ( unless he's gay of course ).
Cinnibar laid at 4 while paired with a male so I think they may be "good together"

[Berkut]

Talk about pedigree parents! :supz:

Elly,
Spot on . Bearing in mind I have flown both these eagles and they were my first 2 goldens ,it would be a dream come true to have a youngster from these 2.;)

[Elly]

Elly,
Spot on . Bearing in mind I have flown both these eagles and they were my first 2 goldens ,it would be a dream come true to have a youngster from these 2.;)

Yeah, couldnt be more perfect. Unless Bentley does bat for the otherside. Be interesting to see 2 diff eagles up when i make the pilgrimage next season too! :supz: Very much looking forward to seeing the Weeman getting to grips with a hare, be awesome if you could ask him to hold off until its my turn for a day out with him so i can see his first kill :lol:

[Pearl]

all the very best with cinnibar mate :supz:

[CJTaylor]

Do you think she looks like her mum? So they eventually found a male she (Sable) didn't 'beat up' then.

Neil, i know sable was owned by P Glaisier, but was she the (sable) first owned and flown by D Fox, he has an article or two in his book ;A GARDEN OF EAGLES:, on a golden called sable, or im i off track? colin

[Berkut]

Neil, i know sable was owned by P Glaisier, but was she the (sable) first owned and flown by D Fox, he has an article or two in his book ;A GARDEN OF EAGLES:, on a golden called sable, or im i off track? colin

Colin,
You are spot on ;)

[Pearl]

was sable the one with the bad wing ?

[Afshimo]

please can I have your back garden and all things contained in it? great pics - must be a sight to see in the morning. Hope she gets better soon.

ATB

Han

[AlexB]

Fingers and all else crossed for her Neil, hope she perks up soon.

ATB

Alex

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

On the forum members wishes I have now re opened this thread.
As you can see I have done some tidying up.
I ask all of you to avoid any "loaded" questions that could leads to personal issues, whish is against the forums T and C.
Anyone who wants to ask this can PM Neil with your concerns.
Please dont make me close this thread again.

[ScuffMan]

I always look forward to the pics posted up on this forum. Three Eagles perched out in your back garden.....enough said :D

[Berkut]

Just logged on and see that the thread is opened. No improvement so far with Cinnibar and she is behaving in a way that puzzles me.
I am on the way out the door at the moment but will add a bit more and answer the PM's when I get home.
Thanks for all the good wishes regarding Cinnibar.
Regards,
Neil.

[GregMik]

Just logged on and see that the thread is opened. No improvement so far with Cinnibar and she is behaving in a way that puzzles me.
I am on the way out the door at the moment but will add a bit more and answer the PM's when I get home.
Thanks for all the good wishes regarding Cinnibar.
Regards,
Neil.

I look forward to hearing about her progress.

Greg

[Liam_Thompson]

I look forward to hearing about her progress.

Greg

Me too Neil. I really hope there is no permanat damage done

[Pendleside]

Me too Neil. I really hope there is no permanat damage done

likewise .

[Palmer]

i wish her the best of luck as i said on the phone the other day, and i hope you deside to stay at myn for the fest!!

Ed

[Gary F]

great cinnibar thread is back,,lets hope cinnibar heals quick and be able to soar,
take my hat off to the mod who reopened this thread,,

[Misty]

what is it about her behaviour that is puzzling you neil?

[KiteTrainer]

Good one of the best threads on the forum:supz:

[Salty]

i seem to av missed the most of this thread and dont know what happened but hope she gets back to herself soon neil ,salty:confused: :(

[Big JoeJoe]

Sincerely hope Cinnibar recovers fully Neil.

Cheers Joe

[Berkut]

what is it about her behaviour that is puzzling you neil?

Misty,
She has always been a very calm eagle and nothing ever seemed to phase her.Now she bates as I approach her ,which has never happened. The pain may be unsettling her.
Neil.

[Quiver]

hope she gets better soon neil.

chris.:yawinkle:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Misty,
She has always been a very calm eagle and nothing ever seemed to phase her.Now she bates as I approach her ,which has never happened. The pain may be unsettling her.
Neil.

Could it be that she is used to be in a pen and not tied up, and that you have not had contact with her for a while?

[Matthew Patching]

Could it be that she is used to be in a pen and not tied up, and that you have not had contact with her for a while?

Eagles being the (generaly) even tempered ******s that they are dont normaly behave like this.

[Berkut]

Could it be that she is used to be in a pen and not tied up, and that you have not had contact with her for a while?

She was in a pen for a while last year and was fine.She is 9 years old now and has always been the calmest of eagles.She was bred at the NPBC and up to now has been completely bombproof. She now acts like she does not know me.

[Alf]

Neil is she baiting away when she sees other people not just you? Alf.

[Berkut]

Neil is she baiting away when she sees other people not just you? Alf.

Alf,
She will sit happily for hours on the bow or block with anyone there stranger or not,but if I approach her she looks nervous and bates away from me quite franticallly.I have never known her to do this.

[Mr_Colin]

Alf,
She will sit happily for hours on the bow or block with anyone there stranger or not,but if I approach her she looks nervous and bates away from me quite franticallly.I have never known her to do this.

Have you had a hair cut:lol:

Seriously Neil I hope things turn around for her and you.

Col

[Alf]

Neil obviously something has happened from the time she left you till the time you took her back.
How what and why you may never find out but I am sure with time you will bring her back round to her old self again. Alf.

[GSP]

Alf,
She will sit happily for hours on the bow or block with anyone there stranger or not,but if I approach her she looks nervous and bates away from me quite franticallly.I have never known her to do this.
Hi Neil nice to see the thread back
I am sure you are right about the cause of this bateing being down to her recent injuries and her handeling since, by this I mean pain association.
The bateing itself must be so painfull for her.
I feel you are in a tempory catch 22 situation with her at the moment as she has lost her trust in being handled
as she is associating it with the pain she is in .
Because of this she is bateing and causing herself considerably more pain
than she would have suffered had she not bated,
I am sure you realise this anyway .
I realise you have to keep he tethered at the moment but I was wondering if
it would be possible to hood her more or handle her after dark.
I am not trying to teach you to suck eggs here as I know you have fogotten more than I have learnt.
But as you know the eagle I started with came to me with a fear of being handled due to bad association of being handled after an injury hooding him causes him to rip into his wing butts which were badly injured at one time
regards Steve

[GosFlyer]

good luck Neil, I'm sure your the man to sort her out both mentaly and physically.

[Mr_Colin]

Alf,
She will sit happily for hours on the bow or block with anyone there stranger or not,but if I approach her she looks nervous and bates away from me quite franticallly.I have never known her to do this.

Just a thought from my inexperienced mind, but if she isn't bateing away from strrangers and just you, have the strangers all been female. It just a thought but we have an ex- racehorse that hates men and we have put it down to male jockey's as she is a sweetheart around women. It has taken me a year to win her trust which I have only just started to get. Can you get a woman to handle her for a little while to see if this will help calm her down and get used to being manned again before you handle her again.

I have no experience with eagles and only 3 years with my FHH so it's just a thought.

Saying that I know with your experience you will win her trust.

Colin

[Misty]

Misty,
She has always been a very calm eagle and nothing ever seemed to phase her.Now she bates as I approach her ,which has never happened. The pain may be unsettling her.
Neil.


this does sound to be a distinct posibility, is there any pain relief she can have (perhaps sprout can answer that) alternately, and I realise I will get shouted at from some quarters for suggesting this, do you have an experienced veterinary acupuncturist close by? It works for humans, horses, dogs, cats & parrots, why not birds?
Surely anything is worth a try to ease her pain, both physical & psychological.

[Gary F]

Good one of the best threads on the forum:supz:
from one of the best on forum ,mate

[Berkut]

Hi Neil nice to see the thread back
I am sure you are right about the cause of this bateing being down to her recent injuries and her handeling since, by this I mean pain association.
The bateing itself must be so painfull for her.
I feel you are in a tempory catch 22 situation with her at the moment as she has lost her trust in being handled
as she is associating it with the pain she is in .
Because of this she is bateing and causing herself considerably more pain
than she would have suffered had she not bated,
I am sure you realise this anyway .
I realise you have to keep he tethered at the moment but I was wondering if
it would be possible to hood her more or handle her after dark.
I am not trying to teach you to suck eggs here as I know you have fogotten more than I have learnt.
But as you know the eagle I started with came to me with a fear of being handled due to bad association of being handled after an injury hooding him causes him to rip into his wing butts which were badly injured at one time
regards Steve

Steve,
Your advice is appreciated and is taken in the spirit it is given.Thanks very much.
You are right about the catch 22 situation in more ways than one.I feel a slight reduction in weight may help but she has 5 tail feathers moulted that should have shown themselves by now and haven't ,which is a real concern for me. I think I may need another visit to the vet this week with her as the injuries caused to feathers in the blood haven't healed as expected. Apart from this she seems in good enough spirits and still spends a lot of time preening ,which is some encouragement.
Neil.

[Berkut]

this does sound to be a distinct posibility, is there any pain relief she can have (perhaps sprout can answer that) alternately, and I realise I will get shouted at from some quarters for suggesting this, do you have an experienced veterinary acupuncturist close by? It works for humans, horses, dogs, cats & parrots, why not birds?
Surely anything is worth a try to ease her pain, both physical & psychological.

Agreed.I will investigate this avenue.;)

[OutFlying]

No doubt you'll sort her out Neil,

Best of luck,


Jim.

[Berkut]

Just a thought from my inexperienced mind, but if she isn't bateing away from strrangers and just you, have the strangers all been female. It just a thought but we have an ex- racehorse that hates men and we have put it down to male jockey's as she is a sweetheart around women. It has taken me a year to win her trust which I have only just started to get. Can you get a woman to handle her for a little while to see if this will help calm her down and get used to being manned again before you handle her again.

I have no experience with eagles and only 3 years with my FHH so it's just a thought.

Saying that I know with your experience you will win her trust.

Colin


Colin ,
I don't let anyone else approach her at the moment. It is quite sad to see when before I would crouch beside her on the perch and she would preen my eyebrows or sideburns.Now she wants nothing to do with me. Food for thought nevertheless though.
Neil.

[Matthew Patching]

Neil, did she have a hard time at the vets, and did you take her, she may be linking the 2 together, ie you now are associated with a bad experience.

Just my 2pennethworth.

[GSP]

Neil if you are going about your normal busines around her does she bate?
I ask this as when I was haveing problems with my eagle he was clever enough to work out if there was no glove with me he wasn't going to get caught up.

I agree about the weight issue if she has feathers that have not started growing after dropping them.
I can emagine how much all this is stressing you.It is upsetting enough when something so cherrished injures itself without knowing you have to put her through more to help her.

Untill you know for sure you are finnished with the vet you have no option but to keep her tethered as thrying to catch her in a pen could soon undo any progress she is hopefully makeing
regards Steve

[Claire]

Neil, did she have a hard time at the vets, and did you take her, she may be linking the 2 together, ie you now are associated with a bad experience.

Just my 2pennethworth.
I think this could be a distinct possibility

[Berkut]

Neil if you are going about your normal busines around her does she bate?
I ask this as when I was haveing problems with my eagle he was clever enough to work out if there was no glove with me he wasn't going to get caught up.

I agree about the weight issue if she has feathers that have not started growing after dropping them.
I can emagine how much all this is stressing you.It is upsetting enough when something so cherrished injures itself without knowing you have to put her through more to help her.

Untill you know for sure you are finnished with the vet you have no option but to keep her tethered as thrying to catch her in a pen could soon undo any progress she is hopefully makeing
regards Steve

Steve,
If I am messing about the garden with the other eagles or in general being noisy for Spikes benefit,she does not flinch,but she seems to sense if I so much as take a step towards her. My brother was round a short time ago and finds her behaviour incredible compared to what she is like normally.

[Berkut]

Neil, did she have a hard time at the vets, and did you take her, she may be linking the 2 together, ie you now are associated with a bad experience.

Just my 2pennethworth.

Yes to both questions Matt.

I think this could be a distinct possibility


I agree.May have some bearing on the issue.

( Cinnibar and I both have similarities to elephants , hers is that she never forgets.:lol: 8-) )

[GSP]

Steve,
If I am messing about the garden with the other eagles or in general being noisy for Spikes benefit,she does not flinch,but she seems to sense if I so much as take a step towards her. My brother was round a short time ago and finds her behaviour incredible compared to what she is like normally.

Sounds just as I had to go through with mine

All I can say is I have now got past this and I am sure it will pass with her,
Once her pain and discomfort along with the examinations are over you will be able to regain her trust, you may be forced to cut her weight a bit and hopefully not affect her moult to much .
If anyone can get her through this it's you in the surroundings and routine she knows
Steve

[Misty]

.

( Cinnibar and I both have similarities to elephants , hers is that she never forgets.:lol: )

you wish :lol: :roll: :lol:

[GaryPCO]

( Cinnibar and I both have similarities to elephants , hers is that she never forgets.:lol: 8-) )
dont be so hard on urself neil ur arse aint that big!!!

best o luck m8 shel soon recover!;)

[Berkut]

Sounds just as I had to go through with mine

All I can say is I have now got past this and I am sure it will pass with her,
Once her pain and discomfort along with the examinations are over you will be able to regain her trust, you may be forced to cut her weight a bit and hopefully not affect her moult to much .
If anyone can get her through this it's you in the surroundings and routine she knows
Steve

Steve,
Thanks for your input.Appreciated.
Neil.

[Alf]

It would only have a bearing if the case was that she didn’t bate away from Neil before he took her to the vets. Was this eagle baiting away from you before you took her to the vets Neil? Alf.


Yes to both questions Matt.




I agree.May have some bearing on the issue.

( Cinnibar and I both have similarities to elephants , hers is that she never forgets.:lol: 8-) )

[Berkut]

It would only have a bearing if the case was that she didn’t bate away from Neil before he took her to the vets. Was this eagle baiting away from you before you took her to the vets Neil? Alf.

As it happens she was Alf , now that you mention it ,but instead of improvement in the situation ,if anything it has deteriorated.

[Matthew Patching]

Yes to both questions Matt.




I agree.May have some bearing on the issue.

( Cinnibar and I both have similarities to elephants , hers is that she never forgets.:lol: 8-) )

What and you have a big nose.:lol: :lol:

[JanMan]

Do you think she looks like her mum? So they eventually found a male she (Sable) didn't 'beat up' then.

Hello Leigh,

I don't think she looks anything like Sable. It just shows what individuals they are.:roll: I don't know what happened to the photo.:oops:

[KiteTrainer]

Steve,
If I am messing about the garden with the other eagles or in general being noisy for Spikes benefit,she does not flinch,but she seems to sense if I so much as take a step towards her. My brother was round a short time ago and finds her behaviour incredible compared to what she is like normally.

I looked after her when Neil was on holiday and she was steady as a rock, even with me. I have never seen the bird display so much mistrust at any time before...............sad to see, hope she comes round

[TLDWB]

In the past I had a lot to do with Cinnibar, She was with myself for some time, fat weight and flying weight. Always a steady bird, had her at the Royal Highland Show on a couple of occasions, and was calm even in this busy environment. Would like to see her again, to see what her temperament is like, may pay her a visit for old time sake.

Tom

[Berkut]

Had a general chat with the vet today. His advice is not to take Cinnibar to the festival as it may cause stress she could well do without ,taking into account the ordeal she has been through. A slight improvement in her behaviour as she is not bating as much and has stopped putting the hackles up and hissing at me when I approach her. She has to have as much rest as possible over the coming weeks.
Progress in some form at least.

[TLDWB]

Thats a shame regards the festival, would struggle to see a better looking Goldie there. But hopefully thats her on the mend.

Tom

[Berkut]

Thats a shame regards the festival, would struggle to see a better looking Goldie there. But hopefully thats her on the mend.

Tom

Here's hoping.Wings still tender to the touch but time will tell. At least she's back were she belongs.:oops:

[TimDog80]

glad shes making progress mate!!!!
anything you did to get her to accept you approaching her without her bating then neil or did she just settle down on her own accord?


best regards
tim:D

[Berkut]

glad shes making progress mate!!!!
anything you did to get her to accept you approaching her without her bating then neil or did she just settle down on her own accord?


best regards
tim:D

Tim,
Let her settle and then started spending a bit time with her while she was on the bow. Yesterday I sat beside the bow and she started preening so I stayed for about an hour till she stopped.(even though it ****ed with rain the whole time)

[TimDog80]

Tim,
Let her settle and then started spending a bit time with her while she was on the bow. Yesterday I sat beside the bow and she started preening so I stayed for about an hour till she stopped.(even though it ****ed with rain the whole time)
neil,
good for you fella, bet you feel a nice sense of releif now mate?!?!...... lets just hope you can get her back into top nick' for the hunting season!!!, im sure you will mate:yawinkle: :D

regards
tim:D

[Berkut]

neil,
good for you fella, bet you feel a nice sense of releif now mate?!?!...... lets just hope you can get her back into top nick' for the hunting season!!!, im sure you will mate:yawinkle: :D

regards
tim:D

Fingers crossed Tim.
Thanks,
Neil.

[GSP]

Nice to see she is slowley regaining her trust in you, fingers crossed here to.


Steve

[Berkut]

Thanks for that Steve. Now have Spike to contend with ,and he seems to be getting worse instead of better.
Neil.

[Kentish Falconry]

Pleased to hear you are finally making some progress Neil.
That is a real shame about the Festival especially as they are already short of Eagles for the event.
Robin said he will take Tiger if he is up to it but if he does I ain't getting her back :lol: He claims she talks to him saying take me home the Sun must be getting to him or perhaps it's the Rain :yawinkle:
Terry

[Berkut]

Pleased to hear you are finally making some progress Neil.
That is a real shame about the Festival especially as they are already short of Eagles for the event.
Robin said he will take Tiger if he is up to it but if he does I ain't getting her back :lol: He claims she talks to him saying take me home the Sun must be getting to him or perhaps it's the Rain :yawinkle:
Terry

Cheers Terry. At the moment if I fell in a bucket of tits I would definately come out sucking my thumb.:(

[Gyr]

Good luck neil, fingers crossed m8.:D

[Rob999]

beautiful lookig bird and hope all goes well.......sorry to hear she's been through it lately atb Rob

[Tim Laycock]

Pleased to hear you are finally making some progress Neil.
That is a real shame about the Festival especially as they are already short of Eagles for the event.
Robin said he will take Tiger if he is up to it but if he does I ain't getting her back :lol: He claims she talks to him saying take me home the Sun must be getting to him or perhaps it's the Rain :yawinkle:
Terry

Thats just about the only eagle thats ever talked to me...And over the web too! :shock: :lol:

[Palmer]

Had a general chat with the vet today. His advice is not to take Cinnibar to the festival as it may cause stress she could well do without ,taking into account the ordeal she has been through. A slight improvement in her behaviour as she is not bating as much and has stopped putting the hackles up and hissing at me when I approach her. She has to have as much rest as possible over the coming weeks.
Progress in some form at least.

Sorry to here about this mate, was looking forward to seeing you and the eagles again! (you havn't herd about my cooking have you:roll: :oops: )

Ed

[AngelJakki]

At the moment if I fell in a bucket of tits I would definately come out sucking my thumb.:(

PMSL That has to be the quote of the year sorry of thread

[Berkut]

Great improvement in Cinnibars attitude and behaviour towards me now ,although I will have to let her rest for a good bit longer before I can assess the wing injuries. They are pretty much covered by fresh feathers now so I tend not to poke about at them for fear of aggravating things.

May take some photographs tomorrow and post them.
Neil.

[Sarah J]

I imagine i echo most peoples thoughts when i say 'good news all round!!' Looking forward to the pics Neil :yawinkle: :heart:

[TimDog80]

everything crossed for you mate:D

[Misty]

Great improvement in Cinnibars attitude and behaviour towards me now ,although I will have to let her rest for a good bit longer before I can assess the wing injuries. They are pretty much covered by fresh feathers now so I tend not to poke about at them for fear of aggravating things.

May take some photographs tomorrow and post them.
Neil.

best news of the week.:supz:

[LongVVing]

Great improvement in Cinnibars attitude and behaviour towards me now ,although I will have to let her rest for a good bit longer before I can assess the wing injuries. They are pretty much covered by fresh feathers now so I tend not to poke about at them for fear of aggravating things.

May take some photographs tomorrow and post them.
Neil.

Great news Neil! nice to get some good news for a change!

Mark

[Cyclone]

amm extremely glad to hear it:supz: road to recovery!
shane

[Berkut]

A few photos of Cinnibar today as promised.

[Natch]

can,t wailt till end of the month when i pick up mine8-)

[RedNoseK9]

Neil she is looking good mate cant wait to see her in the flesh

Wez

[Berkut]

can,t wailt till end of the month when i pick up mine8-)

Did you manage to get any more background Natch.

[Natch]

Did you manage to get any more background Natch. i send u u a p.m when the missie got 58-)

[AngelJakki]

So glad things are starting to turn around.

She is a cracker.:supz:

[Pearl]

nice one mate and she look great matey :supz:

[GriffMJ]

Wow Neil ...... looks a bit on the big side ..... but looks the part :D

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35962&stc=1&d=1183305377

[Berkut]

Wow Neil ...... looks a bit on the big side ..... but looks the part :D

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35962&stc=1&d=1183305377

Griff.I hadn't tightened the braces.Fits perfectly. Will only be an ornament on my mantelpiece.:supz:

[HawkEagle]

She is the ultimate goldie and you are so lucky to have her. The hood looks good but not sure about the green plume.

[Matthew Patching]

A few photos of Cinnibar today as promised.

She is stunning neil, she looks like a pallas in the third one down, but I wont hold that against her, glad she is getting better mate!

[Berkut]

She is the ultimate goldie and you are so lucky to have her. The hood looks good but not sure about the green plume.

The hood is a "one off". It has so far raised £141 towards the forum the first time it was auctioned by Griff. "Red Devil" bought it. It was then auctioned by Red Devil for cancer relief ,Sarah J ' s run for life .I paid £50 for it.
Griff will say exactly , but the hackles are from a Scottish regiment. The hood will not be used apart from for the occasional photograph.;)
Regards,
Neil

[JoHo]

The hood is a "one off". It has so far raised £141 towards the forum the first time it was auctioned by Griff. "Red Devil" bought it. It was then auctioned by Red Devil for cancer relief ,Sarah J ' s run for life .I paid £50 for it.
Griff will say exactly , but the hackles are from a Scottish regiment. The hood will not be used apart from for the occasional photograph.;)
Regards,
Neil

Right, I was about to ask if the Mrs got a new feather duster. Flies around cleaning the arches...

Nice one mate, keep it up.

[Gary F]

glad shes doing ok, nice pics mate ,like 2nd and 3rd,stunning bird,,

[Gram]

Made up for you mate,she looks great:supz:

[Horus 361]

Really nice Pictures Neil,
Good to hear she is well,
ATB
Todd

[TimDog80]

shes looking nice neil:supz:
you dont wanna go putting the plume of that hood in your mouth as you really will be spitting feathers:lol: :lol:

best regards
tim:D

[Rex06]

Griff.I hadn't tightened the braces.Fits perfectly. Will only be an ornament on my mantelpiece.:supz:


as u typed this i was trying to see it in my head :roll: and i saw a golden eagle head/neck with a hood on. now i wonder what are u gonne do with an eagle (or any other falcon hawk) when it dies? (u probebly still have time to think about it, cause they are still young) i ask this because i have also not any idee what i am gonne do with any of my birds.

sorry for this weird question but i am wondering about it.

friendly greetzz

[Berkut]

as u typed this i was trying to see it in my head :roll: and i saw a golden eagle head/neck with a hood on. now i wonder what are u gonne do with an eagle (or any other falcon hawk) when it dies? (u probebly still have time to think about it, cause they are still young) i ask this because i have also not any idee what i am gonne do with any of my birds.

sorry for this weird question but i am wondering about it.

friendly greetzz

I have never even thought that far ahead , especially since the eagles may outlive me. I have passed birds on for taxidermy in the past but I don't know if I could contemplate that with the eagles if anything ever happened to them.

[JoHo]

I was just about to say a taxidermist would pay good money for a Goldie I would think....and charge even better money for the finished product

[Elly]

I have never even thought that far ahead , especially since the eagles may outlive me. I have passed birds on for taxidermy in the past but I don't know if I could contemplate that with the eagles if anything ever happened to them.

I'd like to inherit one please :yawinkle: :rolleyes:

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

I was just about to say a taxidermist would pay good money for a Goldie I would think....and charge even better money for the finished product

Have a guess.......

[JoHo]

I wouldn't even know where to start. But looking at a sponsor website a Buzzard going for £455. So maybe you can enlighten us.

[Gary F]

Have a guess.......
cheaper to buy alive import i bet

[ReluctantTwitcher]

Hi Neil,

Great too hear Cinnibar is on the mend, physically as well as mentally. She's looking pretty confident and content in the pics,
at least in my own inexperienced view. Here's to a better second half of the year for you two!

Cheers,
/Magnus

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

I wouldn't even know where to start. But looking at a sponsor website a Buzzard going for £455. So maybe you can enlighten us.

That particular item is actually 3 pieces, so the price of £455 would take that into account. A buzzard itself would/should be around £200/£250.

Eagle carcasses fetch around £750 - £1000 dependant on condition etc.

Rob

[JoHo]

That particular item is actually 3 pieces, so the price of £455 would take that into account. A buzzard itself would/should be around £200/£250.

Eagle carcasses fetch around £750 - £1000 dependant on condition etc.

Rob

Ah I didn't look that closely.
£1000 is that what you pay or charge for the complete thing.

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

Ah I didn't look that closely.
£1000 is that what you pay or charge for the complete thing.


Pay upto 1000 for a carcass.

[Alan G]

Neil, what's the SP on Cinnibar at the present?

I know you were talking about Cinnibar, Bentley and Spike on Sunday at AKB's, and i do apologise for not asking after her. :oops:

I had too many "Little Wheels" turning in my head & it only occurred to me that i didn't ask after her, until i was back in the car on the way home.

Is her wing doing better and has her temperament toward you settled back to that, that you once knew?

Regards

[Dr. David Glynne Fox]

Hi Neil, I hope you are well. I am so pleased to hear Cinnibar is on the mend. I was studying your pictures and she looks almost identical to my female Skye. I have only just seen this thread, hence my slow input. All the best with her and your other eagles.My two are calling to each other but as you know, the male berkut is only just a few months old but is coming nicely to the fist. Very aggressive in the mews though, he gives my glove and upper arm protector a good whack every morning. Do your males do this?
Regards
David

[Berkut]

Hi Neil, I hope you are well. I am so pleased to hear Cinnibar is on the mend. I was studying your pictures and she looks almost identical to my female Skye. I have only just seen this thread, hence my slow input. All the best with her and your other eagles.My two are calling to each other but as you know, the male berkut is only just a few months old but is coming nicely to the fist. Very aggressive in the mews though, he gives my glove and upper arm protector a good whack every morning. Do your males do this?
Regards
David

David,
Cinnibar seems to be well on the way to being her normal self again. She is still being rested but is looking good. I will post some photographs soon.
My males can get aggressive around the garden but once they are at flying weight they are never fed there and are very placid.
I should be out hunting proper soon on my hare ground.Bentley is at weight now and is currently undergoing his preparatory fitness work.Spike,this years imprint male has topped out at around 9lb and will be out hunting very soon.I will hunt him on appetite and reduce weight gradually as required according to his efforts and response.
Vlad the 2 year old Austrian male is still moulting, but considering the state he was in when I took him on he is looking very good.

Hope all is well with you and will catch up soon.

Regards,
Neil.

[TimDog80]

David,
Cinnibar seems to be well on the way to being her normal self again. She is still being rested but is looking good. I will post some photographs soon.
My males can get aggressive around the garden but once they are at flying weight they are never fed there and are very placid.
I should be out hunting proper soon on my hare ground.Bentley is at weight now and is currently undergoing his preparatory fitness work.Spike,this years imprint male has topped out at around 9lb and will be out hunting very soon.I will hunt him on appetite and reduce weight gradually as required according to his efforts and response.
Vlad the 2 year old Austrian male is still moulting, but considering the state he was in when I took him on he is looking very good.

Hope all is well with you and will catch up soon.

Regards,
Neil.
good to hear all the eagles are back on track and ready for the season for you mate:D :D

regards
tim:D

[Dr. David Glynne Fox]

Hi Neil,
Thanks for the info. I had my male Star on the ground lure last night. He was a right so and so and came at me with all guns blazing. My own fault entirely. I was in a hurry, holding people up from going out, usual story, but he was like a shark in a feeding frenzy. Luckily I am aware of this behaviour and was prepared to receive his assault. Tried him again this evening on the flying grounds, no problem at all. I have got him down to eight pounds but I still think he is too high. I notice Rooney is flying at seven pounds, which is very interesting, as you know, my male is from the same pair. I very much doubt that I will have to take him this low although he looks about the same size as Rooney from the photographs. I always go on behaviour and observation, so will have to see. Nice to hear that your birds are aggressive at feeding times at home, I had always noticed this with previous eagles of mine. They seem to become very territorial. Well done for helping out your friend with the Verreaux' Eagle. A wonderful gesture, it renews faith in humanity. I hope you both do exceptionally well with your birds this year and hope to get to meet you and some of the other eagle falconers before long.
Kindest regards
David

[Finnish]

Yes of corse people can comment. So he can tell the weight by a picture then. Looks about the same size how can you tell from a pic. And the breeder said Rooney was one of the smaller one's he has breed.

[Berkut]

Yes of corse people can comment. So he can tell the weight by a picture then. Looks about the same size how can you tell from a pic. And the breeder said Rooney was one of the smaller one's he has breed.

Lee,
If you look at the Rooney thread, post 71,Natch says that Rooney is down at 7 lbs.

[Dr. David Glynne Fox]

Hi all,
Thanks Neil and Kitetrainer for your input. I will explain. When I received my Berkut he was rather thin with quite a prominent keel. He was at least three weeks off being hard penned and I simply fed him as much as he would eat on the fist until that time. However, he reached a weight of 9lbs and still his breastbone was still rather prominent. I estimated that if I took him to the point of top weight he would be around the ten pound mark. I am aware the 10% rule is only a guide and I have already exceeded that and still his behaviour is not as good as Rooney's or flying so well either. The interesting bit is that I saw Rooney while I was collecting my bird and they were very similar in size despite the age gap and therefore I assumed that Rooney would fly at a similar weight to mine, so was surprised to hear he had been reduced to 7lbs. I know my bird is a bit high but now coming down, and I don't expect him to have to come as low as 7lb, but watch this space. All birds, not just eagles are individuals and what goes for one may not do for another, this is one of the interesting sides of falconry. There's that word again, interesting. The fact is, I do find all this very interesting and have done so for more than forty years, which is why I love the sport so much. I learn things all the time and as such I do not consider myself an expert, just an interested participant. I have never flown an eagle of this age before, all of my previous birds, except my female Goldie Skye have been imports and Skye was three years old when I bought her. For me, this is new ground and any help or information will be much appreciated. Because of the ten per cent rule, and worrying that I had taken about two pounds from his proposed ten pounds and from his behaviour, I wondered if he was too low, so I played safe and took him up in stages and observed the response, which was not improved, but I had to try it this way. Far better to lose a few weeks than a fantastic bird. Rather than lose the bird, I would much prefer to lose the first season entirely. I am now trying to lower his weight but he still bounces off the fist occasionally at 8lbs. I am now certain his hunting and flying weight will be below the 8lb mark, but I had to try the safest option first. His aggression at home is to be expected, which is why I try not to feed him in his "own" territory, I have had this before, learning the hard way through experience, but there are times when I have to do this or else have too limited contact that day. I am sure we all have such days. The main thing is perseverence and am sure he will soon be flying as expected. I hope this answers the query.
Regards to all
David

[HawkEagle]

Hi all,
Thanks Neil and Kitetrainer for your input. I will explain. When I received my Berkut he was rather thin with quite a prominent keel. He was at least three weeks off being hard penned and I simply fed him as much as he would eat on the fist until that time. However, he reached a weight of 9lbs and still his breastbone was still rather prominent. I estimated that if I took him to the point of top weight he would be around the ten pound mark. I am aware the 10% rule is only a guide and I have already exceeded that and still his behaviour is not as good as Rooney's or flying so well either. The interesting bit is that I saw Rooney while I was collecting my bird and they were very similar in size despite the age gap and therefore I assumed that Rooney would fly at a similar weight to mine, so was surprised to hear he had been reduced to 7lbs. I know my bird is a bit high but now coming down, and I don't expect him to have to come as low as 7lb, but watch this space. All birds, not just eagles are individuals and what goes for one may not do for another, this is one of the interesting sides of falconry. There's that word again, interesting. The fact is, I do find all this very interesting and have done so for more than forty years, which is why I love the sport so much. I learn things all the time and as such I do not consider myself an expert, just an interested participant. I have never flown an eagle of this age before, all of my previous birds, except my female Goldie Skye have been imports and Skye was three years old when I bought her. For me, this is new ground and any help or information will be much appreciated. Because of the ten per cent rule, and worrying that I had taken about two pounds from his proposed ten pounds and from his behaviour, I wondered if he was too low, so I played safe and took him up in stages and observed the response, which was not improved, but I had to try it this way. Far better to lose a few weeks than a fantastic bird. Rather than lose the bird, I would much prefer to lose the first season entirely. I am now trying to lower his weight but he still bounces off the fist occasionally at 8lbs. I am now certain his hunting and flying weight will be below the 8lb mark, but I had to try the safest option first. His aggression at home is to be expected, which is why I try not to feed him in his "own" territory, I have had this before, learning the hard way through experience, but there are times when I have to do this or else have too limited contact that day. I am sure we all have such days. The main thing is perseverence and am sure he will soon be flying as expected. I hope this answers the query.
Regards to all
David

Sorry, I might sound so daft but what is 10% rule.

[KiteTrainer]

It seems quite black and white to me :rolleyes:

A bird that was fed on the fist for weeks before being hard penned is more responsive at higher weights than a 100% parent reared example from the same nest ledge.

If its too hard for you to follow then please stop me and I will try to "Dumb it down" for you :rolleyes:


You will also find that as Eagles go it will more than likely be far more aggressive.

I know you have only really dealt with Gosses so you are not really speaking from a position of knowledge or does it need dumbed down for you

[Dr. David Glynne Fox]

My eagle, although classed as a partial imprint, was never actually handled, just visits into the aviary, the frequency of which I am unsure as I was not present. I wanted a partial imprint as I hope to breed from him later and being partially imprinted may give me two options, normal mating with female, my preferred option, or AI. I keep him in full view of my female and he calls regularly to her, this of course may not mean anything, but at least he sees another eagle as well as just me. In the meantime, I plan to fly him to the best of my ability. My female Imperial was parent reared, in fact trapped in the wild and she was as aggressive as any eagle I have come across. Although she was smaller and more lightly armed than my current Goldie's, this didn't prevent her from having a go. She always used her huge beak which meant carrying her at arms length when not hooded, which became tough on the old arms. My male did use his beak to begin with but has given this up now, for good I hope.
Regards
David

[TLDWB]

Last season with Elsa(female imprint Golden), i spent the whole of the first season finding her best weight. This was a extremely slow process as I was trying not to bring out any aggression or noise from her. The 10% rule was mentioned hear, which can be used as a guide line, but this rule didn't enter my mind.

Elsa finally topped out at just under 11lb, this year through the moult she hasn't reached anywhere near that weight. From that weight of just under 11lb (10lb 14oz to be exact) she was fling lose at 10lb 10oz(caught rabbit at this weight), but finally was down to 9lb 8.5oz, at this weight I had a good response when calling in, and putting her feet down on hare. More importantly she has good manners, very little aggression(well she is a Eagle) and no noise at all, when weathering in my garden.

Just about to start flying her again this season, so the work I put in last season will hopefully stand me in good stead. But this is a learning process and will continue to be so. In my opinion, its best to take your time with a Eagle and set some good practice's with your bird, and the benefits will be reaped in years to come.

Tom

[Berkut]

Last season with Elsa(female imprint Golden), i spent the whole of the first season finding her best weight. This was a extremely slow process as I was trying not to bring out any aggression or noise from her. The 10% rule was mentioned hear, which can be used as a guide line, but this rule didn't enter my mind.

Elsa finally topped out at just under 11lb, this year through the moult she hasn't reached anywhere near that weight. From that weight of just under 11lb (10lb 14oz to be exact) she was fling lose at 10lb 10oz(caught rabbit at this weight), but finally was down to 9lb 8.5oz, at this weight I had a good response when calling in, and putting her feet down on hare. More importantly she has good manners, very little aggression(well she is a Eagle) and no noise at all, when weathering in my garden.

Just about to start flying her again this season, so the work I put in last season will hopefully stand me in good stead. But this is a learning process and will continue to be so. In my opinion, its best to take your time with a Eagle and set some good practice's with your bird, and the benefits will be reaped in years to come.

Tom

Good post Tom. As we have discussed before,the first year is all about setting the foundations for a long term hunting partner.There is no rush.
Others however can't wait and are only interested in getting the bird loose and catching as soon as possible.This may work with other raptors but is not the case with eagles.

Neil.

[KiteTrainer]

Last season with Elsa(female imprint Golden), i spent the whole of the first season finding her best weight. This was a extremely slow process as I was trying not to bring out any aggression or noise from her. The 10% rule was mentioned hear, which can be used as a guide line, but this rule didn't enter my mind.

Elsa finally topped out at just under 11lb, this year through the moult she hasn't reached anywhere near that weight. From that weight of just under 11lb (10lb 14oz to be exact) she was fling lose at 10lb 10oz(caught rabbit at this weight), but finally was down to 9lb 8.5oz, at this weight I had a good response when calling in, and putting her feet down on hare. More importantly she has good manners, very little aggression(well she is a Eagle) and no noise at all, when weathering in my garden.

Just about to start flying her again this season, so the work I put in last season will hopefully stand me in good stead. But this is a learning process and will continue to be so. In my opinion, its best to take your time with a Eagle and set some good practice's with your bird, and the benefits will be reaped in years to come.

Tom

Tom I have seen Elsa in action and she is credit to the time that has been spent on her, manners are impeccable and as you rightly say the benefit of slow and controlled weight reduction is evident and am I correct in saying that she generally is not fed from the fist

[TLDWB]

John, Elsa has never once been fed from the fist. Perhaps i might try some food on my fist at some point, will see how things progress. Would love to hear from people who have fed and flown imprint Golden's to the fist.

Tom

[KiteTrainer]

John, Elsa has never once been fed from the fist. Perhaps i might try some food on my fist at some point, will see how things progress. Would love to hear from people who have fed and flown imprint Golden's to the fist.

Tom

Thanks Tom

That is my understanding , also that Eagles develop at a much slower rate and are goverened by different timescales, not like a Gos or similar bird
and that the period where a bird will imprint and develop aggresion towards the Austringer are much greater.
I have seen mal imprints that I would not touch with a bargepole
I have never fed an Eagle of the fist other than a small reward to encourage it to jump up and nothing more.
You have also seen at first hand the manners and manageability on a kill
I have no scars and have never had any problems trading a kill.

[HawkEagle]

I have never find flying weight to be static. Initually, when the bird was still fearful of it's surrounding, you will have to fly her low to gain control but once all the fear is won you can raise. Common mistake is when people fly their bird low and never fill back up. I work my way down and I also work my way up. I fly my bird as heavy as she will respond well. I think 10% rule is for falons and doesnt apply with hawks and eagles.

[GaryPCO]

this thread has been reopened now its been edited please keep this thread based purely on the training and hunting of cinnibar please no off topics posts or ********!!!

ATB

Garypco
mod team!

[KiteTrainer]

Good, we are getting into Eagle Hawking season and it is interesting to learn and see how others are getting on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there should be some great stories and pictures

[Richard]

Good, we are getting into Eagle Hawking season and it is interesting to learn and see how others are getting on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there should be some great stories and pictures

Get on with it then! :lol::lol:

A picture I like a lot, heres to many more! (although the eagle isnt cinnibar)

[Sarah J]

Looking forward to seeing the thread come in to action again as the season gets under way 8-) :) :yawinkle:

[Gary F]

glad to see thread reopened, updates on cinnibar and other eagle activity through out the coming season,

[KiteTrainer]

Looking forward to seeing the thread come in to action again as the season gets under way 8-) :) :yawinkle:

Me too can't wait to walk some of this weight off:lol:

[Berkut]

Gary,
Thanks for re-opening the thread. I realise it had to be edited,however Karl asked about an update on Cinnibar and I replied. It was a detailed reply to his question. Those posts in my opinion did not need edited as they caused no problems whatsoever.

Neil.

[GaryPCO]

well i edited what i felt was right to be edited neil,it took me over half an hour to sort out the mess this thread had become its a great thread i for one used to love reading it when there was no problems i have however started to hate it as the work involved got to me as a moderator ive done what i feel i can do up to now maybe a new update would be in order with no hassle from anyone lets make it the thread it was....

A bloody good one!!!

Regards

Gary

[KiteTrainer]

well i edited what i felt was right to be edited neil,it took me over half an hour to sort out the mess this thread had become its a great thread i for one used to love reading it when there was no problems i have however started to hate it as the work involved got to me as a moderator ive done what i feel i can do up to now maybe a new update would be in order with no hassle from anyone lets make it the thread it was....

A bloody good one!!!

Regards

Gary

Your right Gary, without all the negative comments it is a great thread and should be left to run that way

[Alan G]

Glad to see thread open again, nice one Gary.

Well, all there is to do now is, to waited with baited breath and let the exploits of the day be told on here.

[Berkut]

well i edited what i felt was right to be edited neil,it took me over half an hour to sort out the mess this thread had become its a great thread i for one used to love reading it when there was no problems i have however started to hate it as the work involved got to me as a moderator ive done what i feel i can do up to now maybe a new update would be in order with no hassle from anyone lets make it the thread it was....

A bloody good one!!!

Regards

Gary

Ok Gary.

I will post photographs of Cinnibar soon as she is looking great.She is blocked beside the other eagles and this has brought her into breeding condition early.

She is silent when on her ,own but if near any of the males she is calling and bowing to them. This could be my best chance of breeding my own Golden Eagle as Bentley came into condition after the hunting season and was trying to feed Vlad. The only problem is it means I will have to sacrifice the best part of my hunting season with Bentley and he is my ace in the pack.
I think I will have to just bite the bullet and make that sacrifice. If it works it will certainly be worth it ,as I will be fulfilling my remaining ambition of flying a home bred golden. The fact that it was from Cinnibar and Bentley would just make it so much more special.

Neil.

[KiteTrainer]

Ok Gary.

I will post photographs of Cinnibar soon as she is looking great.She is blocked beside the other eagles and this has brought her into breeding condition early.

She is silent when on her ,own but if near any of the males she is calling and bowing to them. This could be my best chance of breeding my own Golden Eagle as Bentley came into condition after the hunting season and was trying to feed Vlad. The only problem is it means I will have to sacrifice the best part of my hunting season with Bentley and he is my ace in the pack.
I think I will have to just bite the bullet and make that sacrifice. If it works it will certainly be worth it ,as I will be fulfilling my remaining ambition of flying a home bred golden. The fact that it was from Cinnibar and Bentley would just make it so much more special.

Neil.

Would there be a cheaper rate for friends and family:lol:

[Pendleside]

Ok Gary.

If it works it will certainly be worth it ,as I will be fulfilling my remaining ambition of flying a home bred golden. The fact that it was from Cinnibar and Bentley would just make it so much more special.

Neil.

quality neil .
hope this works out for you .:supz:

you may need a secretary for next seasons threads if you end up with yet another hunting golden to accomodate .:yawinkle:

[Berkut]

Would there be a cheaper rate for friends and family:lol:

The first 20 are booked , but if you like you can have one after that.:butthead: :butthead: :finga:

[KiteTrainer]

The first 20 are booked , but if you like you can have one after that.:butthead: :butthead: :finga:


I can wait:lol:

[Berkut]

quality neil .
hope this works out for you .:supz:

you may need a secretary for next seasons threads if you end up with yet another hunting golden to accomodate .:yawinkle:

I am looking for one Pete.May need to put the advertisement in Club 18 +:lol:

[Salty]

aye good luck mate that wud be summat else ,be mint an eagle breeding thread :rolleyes: :supz:

[GaryPCO]

Ok Gary.

I will post photographs of Cinnibar soon as she is looking great.She is blocked beside the other eagles and this has brought her into breeding condition early.

She is silent when on her ,own but if near any of the males she is calling and bowing to them. This could be my best chance of breeding my own Golden Eagle as Bentley came into condition after the hunting season and was trying to feed Vlad. The only problem is it means I will have to sacrifice the best part of my hunting season with Bentley and he is my ace in the pack.
I think I will have to just bite the bullet and make that sacrifice. If it works it will certainly be worth it ,as I will be fulfilling my remaining ambition of flying a home bred golden. The fact that it was from Cinnibar and Bentley would just make it so much more special.

Neil.
im sure the sacrifice would be worth it even if things didnt work out and nothing produced the experience would be a valuable one!!!;-)

[Berkut]

Spoke to the vet recently and he gave Cinnibar the once over. He saw a vast improvement in her and said some excercise may do her some good. If not it would show deterioration quickly and I could stop again. I have been bringing her weight down over the last couple of weeks and she is at 11lbs 12oz now. I have killed plenty at 11lbs 8oz with her so I have given her some rope flying. She handled it no problem without the wings drooping at all.
This is her 3rd session in a week and today I gave her 8 x 100yds which she handled no problem.
Might take her up north with Roy and Robin for the last week of the month and the first week of December to let her do some waiting on flying before she goes in for breeding with Bentley.

Big imrovement anyway and she now accepts my GWP again and her shyness of the glove has gone.

[OutFlying]

Progress.

[TimDog80]

thats good to hear mate:D

[Berkut]

I have just checked and it looks like I can post photographs again.Bear with me and I will post some taken while down at Mike Tomkies place this week.

[Berkut]

Here goes

[Alan G]

Absolutely Beautiful Neil.
How did the visit go at Mikes, a good time all round?

That must be a massive weight off your mind Neil, re visit to the vets with Cinnibar. As with all the other little things that added up to her not being herself.

Really nice to hear everything is looking good & on the mend, for the two of you.

ATB

[Taffy1]

good to hear that she is on the mend:cool:

[Gyr]

Nice one neil,all the best m8.

[JoHo]

That must be a massive weight off your mind Neil, ...

ATB

yeah of the mind and onto the glove

the only word that comes to mind is "regal" ..

Looks fantastic Neil

[Gary F]

Neil
glad she is doing well , vets,training,etc,,
bet mike liked having her at his place,No disrespect to any other Goldie's on here , but she is one good looking female,
fingers crossed her and bentley breed,
gary

[SBFalconry]

Here goes

cracking bird Neil:supz:

[Berkut]

I won't duplicate the whole post from the Eagle Season 2007/2008 thread but thankfully Cinnibar seems to have put all her problems behind her ( not without a huge amount of tlc from yours truly).She took her first hare of the season today and was a treat to handle and fly.

I will duplicate the photos though:-P

[RedNoseK9]

This is very pleasing progress and i cannot wait to get out and see her going


Wez

[Big JoeJoe]

Nice going Neil, good stuff mate :supz::supz:

Cheers Joe

[Sprout]

Nice one Neil. glad shes able to do it after all the problems you've had with her.:supz:

[Pendleside]

ditto .:supz:

[PaulWar3]

Nice one Neil.:supz: It must be a
big relief to see her out hunting hares again.

Paul

[Hacker]

Neil,
a true finalie to someone so dedicated to his birds m8!
:supz::supz::supz::supz:

[Lady]

Fantastic news.
So glad to hear it.

[Kevin Massey]

Neil I am realy pleased to see pictures of her like this...now....:supz:

[Berkut]

Neil I am realy pleased to see pictures of her like this...now....:supz:

Cheers Kev.Big difference from when you last saw her.;)

[Kevin Massey]

Cheers Kev.Big difference from when you last saw her.;)

Yes she does now she has a white groath on the bottom of her feet:supz:

[Gary F]

nice one mate, shes looking good,
atb
gary

[Paddy1]

nice one neil wot a difference and just goes to prove how dedicated and how much work you have put into this bird

[GriffMJ]

Great to see her back in action Neil :supz:

[HawkSwoop]

Great thread and a great insight to eagles !! Fasinating !:supz:

[Berkut]

Just a final post to update the situation with Cinnibar. I had her up in the Cairngorms for the last 2 weeks. I only had to take her down to 10lbs 12oz to get her doing what I wanted. I managed to get her up in strong winds and she coped very well. She had one slip at a hare,taking it well head on and it was dead on impact.Jeff and Roy heard the thud from 100 yards away. All in all, I am pleased with her recovery after what she has been through. She is now being fattened up in preparation for breeding with Bentley.Thanks to those who have shown an interest and expressed concern for her over the last few months, with a particular thanks to Kev Massey for his help the day I got her back.

I will let you know if she is successful in the breeding project.

ATB,
Neil

[HawkEagle]

Hope you have a sucessful breeding season and you should be flying your home bred eagle:)

[RedNoseK9]

I have been waiting for this post Neil hope all works out for you

Wez

[TimDog80]

good luck with the future project mate:D

best regards
tim:D

[Alf]

Neil with your luck they will go down end of January lay 4 eggs all fertile and you will end up having 4 bouncing chicks in the nest!
If this happens can I have one for a £100 male or female I don’t mind!:yawinkle::D

[JoHo]

Excellent Neil, She did look well at Grantown and I hope she and the young man get on and do the business sooner rather than later.

JH

[Laggan]

She is now being fattened up in preparation for breeding with Bentley.Thanks to those who have shown an interest and expressed concern for her over the last few months, with a particular thanks to Kev Massey for his help the day I got her back.

I will let you know if she is successful in the breeding project.

ATB,
Neil


You deserve success.
Iain

[ParaButeo78]

Just a final post to update the situation with Cinnibar. I had her up in the Cairngorms for the last 2 weeks. I only had to take her down to 10lbs 12oz to get her doing what I wanted. I managed to get her up in strong winds and she coped very well. She had one slip at a hare,taking it well head on and it was dead on impact.Jeff and Roy heard the thud from 100 yards away. All in all, I am pleased with her recovery after what she has been through. She is now being fattened up in preparation for breeding with Bentley.Thanks to those who have shown an interest and expressed concern for her over the last few months, with a particular thanks to Kev Massey for his help the day I got her back.

I will let you know if she is successful in the breeding project.

ATB,
Neil

Neil, all the best for the coming breeding season.
After all you have been through this season, you deserve a break. Cinnibar's recovery is a credit to you. I hope you have a rewarding breeding season. You deserve it.
Regards Jo.

[KiteTrainer]

Neil with your luck they will go down end of January lay 4 eggs all fertile and you will end up having 4 bouncing chicks in the nest!
If this happens can I have one for a £100 male or female I don’t mind!:yawinkle::D



I see you are being drawn to the dark side Alf
:lol:

[Berkut]

I've posted it on my birthday thread but it seems appropriate to update this one.

Cinnibar and Bentley have produced their first chick. She did the very unusual thing of laying a clutch of 3 eggs. No 1 was infertile , No 2 hatched this morning ,and number 3 is due to pip tomorrow.

Those who know me best will know what this means to me ,and to my future in eagle falconry. Exciting times ahead.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstEaglet.jpg

[Laggan]

This is becoming nauseating..........virtually the same post on two different threads :lol::lol::lol:

[Eagleseeker]

Excellent!!! congratulations on all fronts :supz:

[Berkut]

This is becoming nauseating..........virtually the same post on two different threads :lol::lol:

I can live with this type of nausea :lol:. There's the Aspirations in Falconry thread yet. ;)

[Hardcore Hawker]

I've posted it on my birthday thread but it seems appropriate to update this one.

Cinnibar and Bentley have produced their first chick. She did the very unusual thing of laying a clutch of 3 eggs. No 1 was infertile , No 2 hatched this morning ,and number 3 is due to pip tomorrow.

Those who know me best will know what this means to me ,and to my future in eagle falconry. Exciting times ahead.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstEaglet.jpg

Congratulations Neil, what are you aspirations now?? my guess is many years of hunting with this very special youngster. What a Birthday present. hope the rearing goes well for you.

[TimDog80]

Neil,
Really pleased for you fella!....A life long ambition fulfilled for you:supz:

Lets just keep fingers crossed that its a male for you!!:lol:

ATB
Tim:D

[Alan G]

What more could you ask for on your birthday mate.
As Tim mentions, fingers crossed one of them is a male and you're living the dream.

[TLDWB]

Good to hear Neil.

Tom

[JayHawk]

landed for u neil great news jay

[HuntersAll]

I've posted it on my birthday thread but it seems appropriate to update this one.

Cinnibar and Bentley have produced their first chick. She did the very unusual thing of laying a clutch of 3 eggs. No 1 was infertile , No 2 hatched this morning ,and number 3 is due to pip tomorrow.

Those who know me best will know what this means to me ,and to my future in eagle falconry. Exciting times ahead.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstEaglet.jpg


Great news for you neil,:cool:
If it turns out a male you'll have to call him george you know:lol::wink:

Tony..

[Raseni]

congratulations, good for you. :-)

and thanks for sharing.
Hope the little ****** grows up to be a good hunter.

cheers
Rasmus

[Gary F]

nice one mate,well pleased for you:supz::supz::supz:

[Fielde243]

Congratulations!!! what a turn around!!! and on what a day too!!!
please keep us updated with the chicks progress!!!
all the best Ed

[Dayglo]

Do you think she looks like her mum? So they eventually found a male she (Sable) didn't 'beat up' then.

Oh thats a nice pic!

TB

[Berkut]

Here are a couple of the chick.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/002.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/001-3.jpg

[Berkut]

A couple of Cinnibar taken by a wildlife photographer a few years ago.

Bentley caught the hare , but Cinnibar was fat weight ,so behaved like a wild eagle by not mantling. The 1st pic often appears in magazines such as the Shooting Times.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Cinnibar2-1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/CINNIBAR1-1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Cinnibar3-1.jpg

[Kat67]

So pleased for you Neil:supz:

[Greg]

Congratulations Neil,
Will be interesting to see how they turn out and with two you should have a good chance of getting a male to fly!
Greg

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

Congrats Neil. Have you had a phone call from Fraser offering a few quid for the other one yet? :lol:

[PitBullOne]

a team

[Pendleside]

result :supz::supz:

pleased for you neil .
hope everything goes well for you and the young un .....whichever one you end up flying 8-).

[Hacker]

Neil,
Top notch m8! as i know it means the world to you.
Richard

[PeregrinesUK]

Excellent Neil, must be an unbelievable feeling are you imprinting or p/r him/her? Mike

[Berkut]

Excellent Neil, must be an unbelievable feeling are you imprinting or p/r him/her? Mike


Thanks Mike.Hard to put it into words how I feel today. Parent reared.

Atb,
Neil.

[JoHo]

Fantastic stuff mate. I just happened upon this thread. I am well pleased for you. And happy B'day looks like you already have you gift.

Johann

[HallBeck]

Great to see that Sables genes live on!

[Rufus T]

Congratulations Neil, part of your ambition fulfilled :supz:

[K.Massey]

Genuinely Pleased for you Neil....a wonderfully sight:supz:

[W Jenkins]

Really well done hope things pan out for you

ATB

Wullie

[Gram]

Made up for you matey:supz:

[KJL]

Well done Neil I'm over the moon for you.

[Rab Marshall]

:supz::supz::supz::supz:happy days neil

atb,rab

[Fraser Hamilton]

nise going mate all the best for the yung and happybirthday while i am at it :supz:

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Good darts bog trotter:goodman:

[Big JoeJoe]

Congratulations Neil, I know how much this means to you mate :supz: Speak soon and I am really made up for you.

Cheers Joe

[Salty]

I've posted it on my birthday thread but it seems appropriate to update this one.

Cinnibar and Bentley have produced their first chick. She did the very unusual thing of laying a clutch of 3 eggs. No 1 was infertile , No 2 hatched this morning ,and number 3 is due to pip tomorrow.

Those who know me best will know what this means to me ,and to my future in eagle falconry. Exciting times ahead.

[IMG]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstEaglet.jpgMG]

im proper proper over the moon for you mate :supz::supz:if anyone deserves that you do ,you kept that quiet ,never even spilled they copulating lol,thanks for lettin us know neil and those are gonna be sum belting birds them are :supz::supz:well done salty

[Liam Hay]

top do neil mate,

liam

[JayHawk]

Here are a couple of the chick.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/002.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/001-3.jpg

mate that second pic is like the good lord holding the holy eucharist(spelling)

great pics hope the whole process goes through to the end and were soon counting the hares this chick has taken!!!

great stuff Neil

jason

[JayHawk]

oh yeh

AMEN

[Jeremiah Johnson]

first off congrats an eagle for your birthday

out of intrest how long was the incubation to pip

i assume you have incubated wondering how it all went and what plan you took
i.e hands in pocket or weight loss charts etc etc

[Berkut]

Thanks for all the good wishes folks. What a great day.

This eaglet has been produced by one of the few naturally paired golden eagles in the UK ,and done with the expert help of Andrew Knowles-Brown. His help throughout the whole process has been amazing.

Obviously the history behind Cinnibar, and the fact that Bentley has been probably the most successfull male golden in the UK from a hunting point of view,makes it all the more special.

The potential of the youngsters from this pairing could be something special from a looks and hunting perspective.

All being well, I am looking forward to the season(s) ahead.

I don't need to go into the nitty gritty , but another twist in the tail is that this chick will be foster-reared by its own grandmother (Bentleys mother).

Regular photographs will be posted as the eaglet developes and I should know the sex in a week.

Atb,
Neil

[Berkut]

first off congrats an eagle for your birthday

out of intrest how long was the incubation to pip

i assume you have incubated wondering how it all went and what plan you took
i.e hands in pocket or weight loss charts etc etc

This was all done by Andrew Knowles-Brown but I was kept in the loop constantly.

The eggs had 25 days natural incubation. Internal pip was at 39 days , with external pip at 40 days. Hatch was expected 48 hours after that ,but actually only took 34 hrs.

Neil.

[Alf]

That’s a lot of hours biting nails! Ooooooh the relief! Alf.
PS had your leg over yet? Just asking!!:yawinkle::lol::lol:



This was all done by Andrew Knowles-Brown but I was kept in the loop constantly.

The eggs had 25 days natural incubation. Internal pip was at 39 days , with external pip at 40 days. Hatch was expected 48 hours after that ,but actually only took 34 hrs.

Neil.

[Berkut]

That’s a lot of hours biting nails! Ooooooh the relief! Alf.
PS had your leg over yet? Just asking!!:yawinkle::lol:


Not yet Alf , but she just smiled at me in a strange way ,and she bought talcum powder. It looks promising.:D:D

[Alf]

So what the **** are you doing posting on here?
I would be up the dancers getting myself covered with flour the perfect end to a perfect day!
And tell her baby oil is on the menu you can’t top a day like that!!! :yawinkle::heart: Alf



Not yet Alf , but she just smiled at me in a strange way ,and she bought talcum powder. It looks promising.:D:D

[Tim Laycock]

Neil,
Very pleased to hear she has produced.

[CJTaylor]

It seems Andrew can just about get any type of eagle to breed ,especially when you look at some of his hybrids , he actually has my mates male up there also on breeding loan , well done him and congrats to you...

[Berkut]

It seems Andrew can just about get any type of eagle to breed ,especially when you look at some of his hybrids , he actually has my mates male up there also on breeding loan , well done him and congrats to you...


Cheers Col , he certainly knows his onions.

Neil.

[Agent D.]

I've posted it on my birthday thread but it seems appropriate to update this one.

Cinnibar and Bentley have produced their first chick. She did the very unusual thing of laying a clutch of 3 eggs. No 1 was infertile , No 2 hatched this morning ,and number 3 is due to pip tomorrow.

Those who know me best will know what this means to me ,and to my future in eagle falconry. Exciting times ahead.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstEaglet.jpg

:supz::supz::partyman:
simply awesome news!

[SakerYZF]

Thought i'd put up a few photos of Bently the proud father.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Sakeryzf/Bently5.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Sakeryzf/Bently1.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Sakeryzf/Bently1-1.jpg

Chris.

[Berkut]

Thanks for posting those photos Chris.

What a difference a day makes.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Junior.jpg

[GoodFooter]

Happy Days Neil....well done .....especially nice to see proven hunting birds perpertuate their genes...hope the rearing goes well. ATB

[Lee Brindley]

Well done Neil! :D

:supz: :supz:

[Berkut]

Happy Days Neil....well done .....especially nice to see proven hunting birds perpertuate their genes...hope the rearing goes well. ATB


Thanks Rob. Good point , which I was discussing with Lauren (Berkutchi) on the phone today.

When I purchased Bentley ,I didn't think 3 months later I would own a female goldie,it was purely by chance.
My first 2 seasons were solely waiting on flights , and that really cemented my wish to breed and fly a youngster from these 2 eagles.

Atb,
Neil.

[Berkut]

2nd egg pipped yesterday at 9am and hatched this morning just before 9am.
A fine healthy chick. I'll post pics later.

Neil.

[Alf]

Great news Neil!! Alf.


2nd egg pipped yesterday at 9am and hatched this morning just before 9am.
A fine healthy chick. I'll post pics later.

Neil.

[Berkut]

Great news Neil!! Alf.


Cheers Alf.I'm over the moon.:goodman:8-)

[HallBeck]

Fantastic news. Must be so exciting!

[GriffMJ]

Congrats Neil...... "BenCine" is looking good. Do you know the sex yet :?:

[Alan G]

Great news Neil, good to hear the second one has came out as quick as it's sibling.

[LongVVing]

Fantastic news!
The prospect of flying a home bred eagle in proper eagle country has to be a massive high and achievement.

Look forward to hear how the story progresses.

Nice one,

Mark.

[RedNoseK9]

Im over the moon for you mate having worked close with you and both birds and pairing them last year i know what this means to you and it is a great reward for your efforts

Wez

[Berkut]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg3.jpg

[Berkut]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg4.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg5.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg6.jpg

[Berkut]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg7.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Out1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Driedout.jpg

[Berkut]

Congrats Neil...... "BenCine" is looking good. Do you know the sex yet :?:

Both membranes will be sent off tomorrow Griff. Should know by the end of the week.

Atb,
Neil.

[MusketMad]

nice one mate ...ive had my fingers crossed for you since we last spoke and im glad it all worked out for you....hopefully catch up soon ..

[Kennelre]

Wonderful photos!!


...Rene.

[KiteTrainer]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/2ndEgg7.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Out1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Driedout.jpg

Great Pictures Neil............looking forward to a great season this year seeing one or other of them coming on

[PitBullOne]

kintastic,see you soon try not to beem too much,have a pie roll on me

[CoyoteOutlaw]

WOW! I haven't been on IFF for awhile and saw this, I am absolutly thrilled for you Neil!!!! Bently and Cinnibar chicks seem like the ultimate golden!!!! Best of luck with them, I know that if anyone can help these chicks reach their full potential its you!!!!

[SakerYZF]

Nice photos , it's exciting stuff , that's for sure :-D

Chris.

[Berkut]

1st chick at 4 days old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/007.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/008.jpg

[Berkut]

2nd chick at 1 day old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/001-4.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/002-1.jpg

[JuliaK]

2 little cuties, fantastic to hear!!
I'm so glad for you, well done! Good luck with them but I am sure you will get fantastic hunting birds:supz:

[Alan G]

Looking good Neil and looking forwards to their development on here.

[Salty]

proper amazing neil ,never saw anything like it before am buzzing for you ,cant wait to see a pic of one on yer arm ,itl look like someones jammed a melon portion in yer gob [massive smile]:lol:and so would anyone :supz:them be some belting pair of breeders for years to come aswell massive well done to yous:supz:salty

[Berkut]

proper amazing neil ,never saw anything like it before am buzzing for you ,cant wait to see a pic of one on yer arm ,itl look like someones jammed a melon portion in yer gob [massive smile]:lol:and so would anyone :supz:them be some belting pair of breeders for years to come aswell massive well done to yous:supz:salty

Cheers Salty. Appreciate your comments , you've always taken a keen interest in my eagles.

Neil

[RedNoseK9]

Im green with envy mate id love to be flying a goldie this year especially one i had bred

Hard work rewarded nice one

Wez

[Salty]

Cheers Salty. Appreciate your comments , you've always taken a keen interest in my eagles.

Neil
aye cos its exiting stuff mate , not only the breeding the hunting ect ,your one of the select few who accomplished such a feat,it really is amazing last i heard you were gonna try bently and cinn ,i thought it would have taken a few year mate ,as eagles take longer ect ,but low and behold ,its just fate mate and you deserve it all you really do i cant wait to see the feathered young:supz::supz:am like a dog wi two knobs for ya mate i really am cos i know how chuffed youl be,[about time sommat good happened for a change]all the best of luck mate ,salty

[KiteTrainer]

Amazing difference in 4 days, great work by Andy Broon

[Laggan]

Andy Broon

:lol:

[Gary F]

nice one mate,bet your like a dog with two tails:rolleyes:,,be great to read a thread on a eagle you have breed from cinnibar and bentley,
still going to fair?

[Berkut]

nice one mate,bet your like a dog with two tails:rolleyes:,,be great to read a thread on a eagle you have breed from cinnibar and bentley,
still going to fair?

Cheers Gary. Travelling down Saturday night with Steptoe.:lol::lol:

[AlexB]

Cracking news about the chicks Neil, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Will look forward to reading about how its all going.

ATB

Alex

[Stu Bailey]

Hello Neil

might be a daft question..

but if there were both put back to be parent reared would you have the chicks in two seperate nests to stop the risk of the elder chick killing the other?

atb..

great stuff btw..

[Berkut]

Hello Neil

might be a daft question..

but if there were both put back to be parent reared would you have the chicks in two seperate nests to stop the risk of the elder chick killing the other?

atb..

great stuff btw..

Good point .First chick is in today with its grandmother. She has reared doubles before with no problem , although if it becomes an issue , there are other foster mothers available. The situation will be monitored closely.

Atb,
Neil.

[Berkut]

In with Grandma today.:supz:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding3.jpg

[LongVVing]

Are both chicks going to be parent reared Neil?

Mark

[Pearl]

In with Grandma today.:supz:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding3.jpgquality

[Berkut]

Are both chicks going to be parent reared Neil?

Mark

Yes Mark. Hopefully by the same female.

Neil.

[OutFlying]

Cracking pictures.

[LongVVing]

Yes Mark. Hopefully by the same female.

Neil.

Ive heard that its normal for the second chick not to survive in the wild, but I would imagine this is more due to food availability?


Will you be flying both chicks yourself?

Cracking pics btw looks like Gran is doing a good job right now

Mark.

[Berkut]

Ive heard that its normal for the second chick not to survive in the wild, but I would imagine this is more due to food availability?


Will you be flying both chicks yourself?

Cracking pics btw looks like Gran is doing a good job right now

Mark.

Mark,
That is normal 9/10 times in the wild. The risk of this is only for a limited period of time. I would rather imprint one for future breeding than allow that to happen.

Whatever sexes they are I'm keeping the 1st one. If one of each , I'll fly both. If both the same sex , I will sell the 2nd one.

Atb,
Neil.

[Berkut]

Cracking pictures.


Cheers Jim.

[Dave Johnson]

Absolutley wonderful to see.Thanks for putting up the photos.Dave

[Kennelre]

It does feel more than a bit special to be involved in watching these chicks grow and develop, from the egg onwards.
I really can't contribute anything more intelligent than to keep saying that the pictures are awesome.....because they really are. Thankyou!!:goodman:


...Rene.

[Berkut]

It does feel more than a bit special to be involved in watching these chicks grow and develop, from the egg onwards.
I really can't contribute anything more intelligent than to keep saying that the pictures are awesome. Thankyou!!:goodman:


...Rene.

Thanks Rene. I'll keep them coming.

Neil.

[JoHo]

Great stuff my friend.

Looks like you are gonna have your hands full this coming season.

Johann

[Gary F]

Cheers Gary. Travelling down Saturday night with Steptoe.:lol::lol:
wonder who you are talking about????:roll:














albert<alan>steptoe got a ring to it

[Berkut]

Great stuff my friend.

Looks like you are gonna have your hands full this coming season.

Johann

Johann,
Picked up a piece of ground up your way. I'll give you a shout when I'm there in the coming season.

Neil.

[Pearl]

this must be an incredible thing to achieve fly, hunt and breed from your goldie i could only dream of this ill give you your due Niel your a commited eagle hawker and now an eagle breeder first class :supz:

this has to be the pinnacle of your falconry years mate :supz:

[Berkut]

this must be an incredible thing to achieve fly, hunt and breed from your goldie i could only dream of this ill give you your due Niel your a commited eagle hawker and now an eagle breeder first class :supz:

this has to be the pinnacle of your falconry years mate :supz:


Cheers Mark. Anyone will tell you , I've talked about this since I started flying these eagles. Really looking forward to the coming season.

Atb,
Neil.

[Pearl]

Cheers Mark. Anyone will tell you , I've talked about this since I started flying these eagles. Really looking forward to the coming season.

Atb,
Neil.im looking forward to reading it mate , :supz:

[BillyWilson]

Hello Neil mate , those photo,s or the biz and the foster mum looks very happy ,truely amazing how a bird so big and powerful can be so gentle .

[JoHo]

Johann,
Picked up a piece of ground up your way. I'll give you a shout when I'm there in the coming season.

Neil.

Looking forward to it.

[Berkut]

Hello Neil mate , those photo,s or the biz and the foster mum looks very happy ,truely amazing how a bird so big and powerful can be so gentle .

Cheers Billy.I e-mailed you them as well.

[Richard]

Was just about to go to bed when i started reading this, thought id crack open another bottle of corona for you Neil, chuffed for ya.

Although you'll have your work cut out to beat the first season performance of Floyd ;)

Rich

[Berkut]

Was just about to go to bed when i started reading this, thought id crack open another bottle of corona for you Neil, chuffed for ya.

Although you'll have your work cut out to beat the first season performance of Floyd ;)

Rich

It's good to have targets to meet :yawinkle:

[Agent D.]

In with Grandma today.:supz:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/ChickFeeding3.jpg

awesome pics, enjoying the thread...
1 quick question, i was quite supprised to see the use of straw for nesting material alongside the conifurs... all the books warn of the dangers of straw (i apprecieate they are concerned with wet rotting straw) but i presume if kept dry and clean it is\can be a good functional nesting material? i'm clueless when it comes to breeding eagles so interested for veiws on this system, obviously in this instance it works and is functional. i'd imagine the straw is also a nice material for the eagles to work with when nest building?

wish the chicks and yourself all the best

Cheers Dave.

[Berkut]

awesome pics, enjoying the thread...
1 quick question, i was quite supprised to see the use of straw for nesting material alongside the conifurs... all the books warn of the dangers of straw (i apprecieate they are concerned with wet rotting straw) but i presume if kept dry and clean it is\can be a good functional nesting material? i'm clueless when it comes to breeding eagles so interested for veiws on this system, obviously in this instance it works and is functional. i'd imagine the straw is also a nice material for the eagles to work with when nest building?

wish the chicks and yourself all the best

Cheers Dave.

As long as it's clean and dry , not a problem. As you say, very functional. I've seen it in plently wild birds nests.

Neil.

[LongVVing]

Neil,

Has the wooden egg been replaced with the second chick yet?
What is/was the plan for the introduction?

Mark.

[Berkut]

Neil,

Has the wooden egg been replaced with the second chick yet?
What is/was the plan for the introduction?

Mark.

Mark,
Probably on Saturday.That particular eagles eggs were placed in the hatcher yesterday. Hence the chick and the wooden egg. Once the 2nd chick is introduced it will be monitored very closely.If there is a problem it will be placed with another female.

Neil.

[It's Alright Ma]

Absolutely excellent Neil, really chuffed for you..and as others have said, this is the stuff of dreams . Many thanks for sharing,

All the best

Johny

[Dude]

Cheers, Neil!

Excellent news! Keep us updated with pics :)

Dan

[Eagle Owl]

Great pics, Neil!!!:supz::supz: The pics of the baby being fed by grandmother is just adorable!!!! You may have already answered this (I just skimmed the the posts:oops:),but when will you be able to tell the sex of the chicks?

Can't wait to hear the hunting stories!!!!!!

[Berkut]

Great pics, Neil!!!:supz::supz: The pics of the baby being fed by grandmother is just adorable!!!! You may have already answered this (I just skimmed the the posts:oops:),but when will you be able to tell the sex of the chicks?

Can't wait to hear the hunting stories!!!!!!

Thanks Brandi,
I am hoping the DNA results come back tomorrow.Looking forward to the season ahead.:D

Atb,
Neil.

[Berkut]

Both chicks now in with Grandmother. All seems well. Better pics to follow.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/BothChicks.jpg

[Dimitry H.]

Wonderful pics you have there!

[Berkut]

Chick No.2 being fed while No.1 has a nap.8-)8-)

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/No2BeingFed.jpg

[Kennelre]

Not exactly desperate for the next meal then, if it's napping at feedtime.:lol:


...Rene.

[Berkut]

Here's another couple.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/1stMay.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstMay-BothChicks.jpg

[Salty]

Here's another couple.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/1stMay.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstMay-BothChicks.jpg
awesome mate , i think theyl be well steady them mate reared like that ,how old is gran mate she looks a big girl:supz::supz:

[Berkut]

awesome mate , i think theyl be well steady them mate reared like that ,how old is gran mate she looks a big girl:supz::supz:


I think she's 18 or 19 yrs old Salty.

Neil

[Salty]

I think she's 18 or 19 yrs old Salty.

Neil
oh thats great neil worth her weight in gold i think for yous :supz:,hey mate if the young werent back you could av tried the old needle an thread trick mate ive done four young over the past couple of days and they always seem to turn out right every year,then you could of compared the dna findings :supz::supz:

[Berkut]

oh thats great neil worth her weight in gold i think for yous :supz:,hey mate if the young werent back you could av tried the old needle an thread trick mate ive done four young over the past couple of days and they always seem to turn out right every year,then you could of compared the dna findings :supz::supz:


I wish I'd thought.Results never came back today. Looks like it'll be Monday or even Tuesday with the bank holiday.

Neil.

[Salty]

I wish I'd thought.Results never came back today. Looks like it'll be Monday or even Tuesday with the bank holiday.

Neil.

good luck mate i hope you get one of each so u can fly anysex you want ,if its avian biotech mate i rang them after about 4 days n they told me over phone then sent results ,as did my mate we both never got them in the suppose 3 days ,but it wasnt realy an issue anyway , youl be like a cat on hot bricks mate watching them 2 develop ,proper chuffed for yous mate,bet your johns fancying one but to jel to say lol::lol:;)

[Alf]

Neil some cracking photos there mate!
Never ceases to amaze me something so powerful can show such tenderness.
Top stuff :supz::supz: Alf.

[Inca]

WOW!! Those photos of the grandmother feeding the chicks are absolutely superb. Look forward to seeing more of them. :D

[HawkEagle]

absolutely amazing, I hope you get the result that you are looking for. :supz:

[Heeroyun]

fantastic pictures. I must be a good experience watching parent reared birds like this :supz:

[Berkut]

Progressing well.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Feeding3rdMay09.jpg

[Agent D.]

yes neil. :supz:

[HallBeck]

The female feeding the youngsters is a stunning looking bird - do you know her background?

[Alan G]

Neil, those pair just look so.........everything............a couple of wee heartwarmers.

No point in saying, stunner, who bred them. :rolleyes::lol:

[Berkut]

The female feeding the youngsters is a stunning looking bird - do you know her background?

Yes.She is about 18yrs old and is a full sister to AKB's male golden "Gorby".Both came from Moscow zoo.

Neil.

[HallBeck]

Yes.She is about 18yrs old and is a full sister to AKB's male golden "Gorby".Both came from Moscow zoo.

Neil.

Shes a belter - great colours on her head and nape.

Hope you keep this thread going - i am probably nearly as excited as you about the chicks progress! :lol:

[LongVVing]

Progressing well.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Feeding3rdMay09.jpg

Cracking stuff!
How long will the chicks spend with gran?

Mark.

[Berkut]

Shes a belter - great colours on her head and nape.

Hope you keep this thread going - i am probably nearly as excited as you about the chicks progress! :lol:


I'll keep it going don't worry. Should start to see a big difference in the growth rate of the chicks.

Neil.

[AlexB]

Progressing well.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/Feeding3rdMay09.jpg

In a real ****ty world in which we live there are real gems that make the heart glad to be beating and this picture is one of them. Cant wait to start reading about the training of one of these beauties and hopefully to finally meet up and see one of them taking a bluey.

ATB

Alex

[Berkut]

Cracking stuff!
How long will the chicks spend with gran?

Mark.

Mark,
12-14 weeks and then into a large hack type pen till ready for training. If there is a female , I may imprint it for future breeding to make sure the Sabel line carries on. Ideally though , I am hoping for 2 males, one for me and one for a good friend.

Neil.

[Berkut]

In a real ****ty world in which we live there are real gems that make the heart glad to be beating and this picture is one of them. Cant wait to start reading about the training of one of these beauties and hopefully to finally meet up and see one of them taking a bluey.

ATB

Alex

Cheers Alex. Hopefully you will experience similar on the gos front this year.

Neil.

[AlexB]

Cheers Alex. Hopefully you will experience similar on the gos front this year.

Neil.

Fingers crossed!

ATB

Alex

[LongVVing]

Mark,
12-14 weeks and then into a large hack type pen till ready for training. If there is a female , I may imprint it for future breeding to make sure the Sabel line carries on. Ideally though , I am hoping for 2 males, one for me and one for a close friend.

Neil.

When should you know the sexes of the chicks?
Its awesome to see how gentle such a creature can be, when you consider the power in those talons.

I cant see how one could top flying a home bred goldie in real eagle country, but being able to keep the line going has to be close too.
For an eagle falconer you must be on a massive high with this.
For a non eagleman like myself its great to read this thread and see how things progress.
The gran also has that very contrasting golden hackle against the darker feathering.

[Berkut]

When should you know the sexes of the chicks?
Its awesome to see how gentle such a creature can be, when you consider the power in those talons.

I cant see how one could top flying a home bred goldie in real eagle country, but being able to keep the line going has to be close too.
For an eagle falconer you must be on a massive high with this.
For a non eagleman like myself its great to read this thread and see how things progress.
The gran also has that very contrasting golden hackle against the darker feathering.


Mark,
Should know the sexes this coming week. This has been a long term plan/ambition of mine. To have it all coming together is amazing.


Neil.

[FalconMistress]

Mark,
Should know the sexes this coming week. This has been a long term plan/ambition of mine. To have it all coming together is amazing.


Neil.
Really glad for you neil! The chicks look like they are thriving!;)
ATB
Sophie

[Berkut]

Both chicks now gaining weight rapidly. Membranes were lost in the post unfortunately , so mouth swabs have been taken with the results expected Tuesday. Ist indications, due to weight increase , is that the 1st chick is a female.

Neil



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thMay2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thMay.jpg

[Alan G]

Neil, at least a female will keep the line going and fingers crossed for the second one.
And what a size difference in them already, in what, 2 weeks now?

[RedNoseK9]

Looking like one of each there mate maybe a bit early to tell though

great pics mate

[Alf]

Well Neil that’s my guess of the first chick being a male out the window.
Told you I knew **** all about eagles!
There growing up mate cracking stuff. Alf.



Both chicks now gaining weight rapidly. Membranes were lost in the post unfortunately , so mouth swabs have been taken with the results expected Tuesday. Ist indications, due to weight increase , is that the 1st chick is a female.

Neil

[Berkut]

Well Neil that’s my guess of the first chick being a male out the window.
Told you I knew **** all about eagles!
There growing up mate cracking stuff. Alf.


Alf,
Total guess work on the sexes.With Cinnibar being as large as she is, it could mislead. Hopefully know for sure on Tuesday and I can decide how I go from there.

Another couple of pics of them feeding today.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/May7th3.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/May7th4.jpg

[LongVVing]

Alf,
Total guess work on the sexes.With Cinnibar being as large as she is, it could mislead. Hopefully know for sure on Tuesday and I can decide how I go from there.

Another couple of pics of them feeding today.


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/May7th4.jpg

Neil,

Maybe we could have run a book.
I know f##k all But I will stick my neck out and say chick in front = female and one behind = male.

If my horse racing betting is anything to go by I will have it totally wrong.
Cracking pics as usual though!

Mark.

[Alf]

Mark your going biggest littlest? :yawinkle::lol: Alf.



Neil,

Maybe we could have run a book.
I know f##k all But I will stick my neck out and say chick in front = female and one behind = male.

If my horse racing betting is anything to go by I will have it totally wrong.
Cracking pics as usual though!

Mark.

[LongVVing]

Mark your going biggest littlest? :yawinkle::lol: Alf.




Yeah sort of although it could be oldest youngest that is the reason for the difference.
The one in the front looks to have a wider head and neck.
Would be good if a closer picture could be taken, maybe not possible though at this stage.

Mark.

[LeesHawks]

Both chicks now gaining weight rapidly. Membranes were lost in the post unfortunately , so mouth swabs have been taken with the results expected Tuesday. Ist indications, due to weight increase , is that the 1st chick is a female.

Neil

hi neil

cracking stuff mate, i reckon 2 females or at least the same sex!! edge my bets hey well done in breeding them 2 regardless of sex

lee

[PeregrinesUK]

Both chicks now gaining weight rapidly. Membranes were lost in the post unfortunately , so mouth swabs have been taken with the results expected Tuesday. Ist indications, due to weight increase , is that the 1st chick is a female.

Neil




Thats typical Neil they also lost my membrane samples in the post apparently for my first peregrine, good luck with the rearing all looks to be going well

Mike

[Berkut]

Both chicks continue to do well. They have hit that stage where they really pile on the weight. The first hatched in particular has streaked ahead, weighing in yesterday at 890gms at 15 days old. The 2nd is 3 days behind and is significantly smaller. I am thinking female for the first and male for the second. No aggression whatsoever between the chicks and the grandmother seems to be doing a sterling job.

Neil.

No 1 looks while No 2 is fed.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/9thMay092.jpg

[Pearl]

hi mate , am i right in saying your eagles will be chamber reared ?
:yawinkle:

[Berkut]

hi mate , am i right in saying your eagles will be chamber reared ?
:yawinkle:

As it stands Mark , they will both be parent reared. The sexing dictates a lot of what happens. I have decided to keep No. 1 regardless of what sex it is. I am pretty sure it is a female. If number 2 is a male , I may keep it also or it may go to a good friend of mine.

I will be a lot clearer on Tuesday once the DNA results come back.

It's a good position to be in , and has happened a bit quicker than anticipated. Because of the background of these chicks I could sell 10 tomorrow, but the money is way down the list of priorities , even in the current climate.

Atb,
Neil.

[Rab Marshall]

all looking good neil
bet your head's buzzing(what sex,which to keep):lol::lol:
one thing for sure it will be hunted proper


atb,rab

[Pearl]

As it stands Mark , they will both be parent reared. The sexing dictates a lot of what happens. I have decided to keep No. 1 regardless of what sex it is. I am pretty sure it is a female. If number 2 is a male , I may keep it also or it may go to a good friend of mine.

I will be a lot clearer on Tuesday once the DNA results come back.

It's a good position to be in , and has happened a bit quicker than anticipated. Because of the background of these chicks I could sell 10 tomorrow, but the money is way down the list of priorities , even in the current climate.

Atb,
Neil.the reason i ask mate is my falcon is chamber reared , and i think they make great temperaments , very calm , not much fear , not much if any calling (although i do know alot of goldies call in anticipation of your arrival not so much for food but just to be with you ), all in all a great way to rear imo , you are in a great position mate but i do know money is no were in the equation with your self :cool:

[Marra]

They look great Neil, you must be over the moon :supz:

Chris

[Berkut]

all looking good neil
bet your head's buzzing(what sex,which to keep):lol::lol:
one thing for sure it will be hunted proper


atb,rab

Cheers Rab.

the reason i ask mate is my falcon is chamber reared , and i think they make great temperaments , very calm , not much fear , not much if any calling (although i do know alot of goldies call in anticipation of your arrival not so much for food but just to be with you ), all in all a great way to rear imo , you are in a great position mate but i do know money is no were in the equation with your self :cool:

Yes Mark.They are reared in open fronted pens. All the ones I have had ,and helped with,have been reared the same way.They have always had a great temperament.


They look great Neil, you must be over the moon :supz:

Chris


Thanks Chris.I am chuffed to bits.


Atb,
Neil

[Berkut]

Both chicks thriving . No.1 (on the left) weighed in at 1010gms yesterday at 17 days. Has to be female. No 2 half the size ,but 3 days younger. Could easily be a male.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/11thMay.jpg

[Stu Bailey]

Interesting stuff Neil...

no aggression issues from what ive read,interested to see if any crop up.

hopefully none of corse

atb

[LongVVing]

What sort of food intake are you providing for gran and the two chicks?
I guess as long as there is plenty the sibling agression should be minimised?

Look forward to their progress!

Mark.

[Berkut]

Interesting stuff Neil...

no aggression issues from what ive read,interested to see if any crop up.

hopefully none of corse

atb

What sort of food intake are you providing for gran and the two chicks?
I guess as long as there is plenty the sibling agression should be minimised?

Look forward to their progress!

Mark.



No aggression whatsoever. Should be beyond that now hopefully. As much food as they'll eat, with any leftover removed daily.

[Big JoeJoe]

Fantastic Neil, you must be very proud mate I know I would be. I am really enjoying the thread and the photo's mate. The first chick weighs 1010gms yesterday at 17 days OMG that is huge :lol:

Keep us updated mate.

Cheers Joe

[KiteTrainer]

Looking Braw Neil

[Berkut]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

[AlexB]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

Best of luck with which ever you decide to turn into a hare killing machine.

ATB

Alex

[Berkut]

Best of luck with which ever you decide to turn into a hare killing machine.

ATB

Alex

Thanks Alex.

[Kennelre]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

I'm ever so pleased for you!!!


...Rene.

[Berkut]

I'm ever so pleased for you!!!


...Rene.

Thanks Rene. I was convinced the 1st one was a female ,it turns out to be a stonking male.He must have taken his size from Cinnibar as she is a big girl.:supz:

Neil

[RedNoseK9]

Absolutely great news mate now u have the unenviable task of picking which u will fly

Wez

[Berkut]

Absolutely great news mate now u have the unenviable task of picking which u will fly

Wez


Wez,
That's an easy one.First hatched , and on my birthday as well.;)

Neil

[Laggan]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

Absolutely delighted for you Neil, I know what this means to you.

Thanks Rene. I was convinced the 1st one was a female ,it turns out to be a stonking male.He must have taken his size from Cinnibar as she is a big girl.:supz:

Neil

So, named it already then, Stonker :lol: or maybe Donkey? :lol:

Really, really happy for you.
Iain

[Goldie]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.


Couldn't have been better Neil knowing what your plans are.
I just hope the DNA is right as we know what can happen :rolleyes:

Jim


.

[Berkut]

Absolutely delighted for you Neil, I know what this means to you.



So, named it already then, Stonker :lol: or maybe Donkey? :lol:

Really, really happy for you.
Iain.

It's ring no is 007.8-)

[Berkut]

Couldn't have been better Neil knowing what your plans are.
I just hope the DNA is right as we know what can happen :rolleyes:

Jim


.

If the DNA was wrong on the 1st one it wouldn't bother me too much Jim. I had accepted I would be lugging a large female about this season anyway. Suffice to say I'm feeling pretty good at the moment.:wink:

[Alf]

Seems I do know my eagles? :yawinkle: Alf.


DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

[Alan G]

Pleased for you Neil. It must feel like your birthday all over again, getting that good news.

[TimDog80]

Nice to see the progress neil!

Chuffed for you mate!!

regards
Tim:D

[Pearl]

nice one mate im pleased for you :yawinkle:

[BushHawk]

neil thats great news,good work m8.

atb darren.

[Mary Quite Contrary]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.


it will be a male then........:goodman:

[JoHo]

Top job Neil,

I am sure it will turn out a cracker......
Pleased it finally going your way after the disappointments of the last few years.

Johann

[BillyWilson]

DNA results came back today. Both chicks are male. Probably the best result I could have hoped for , although I will keep a female in the future.


Neil.

As we say up here in costa del Penshaw , Cock on the bonk marra lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! results dont come any better than that mate

[Berkut]

Big Brother looks on while little brother is fed.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/13thMay.jpg

[K.Massey]

Big Brother looks on while little brother is fed.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/13thMay.jpg


@$£%£!! me aint they gown:o

[BillyWilson]

Big Brother looks on while little brother is fed.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/13thMay.jpg

Belta marra they all look happy .

[Finnish]

Just seen this thread Eagles not my thing but good luck Neil are you going to fly one.

[Rex06]

Neil t seems u are in the aviary every foto u take ? Doesn't the female get agresive ? is she pr or imprint and are u dual rearing the chicks or are they really a 100% parent-reared ?

i wish u all the best in the future with these litle ones :supz:

friendly greetz peter

[Berkut]

Just seen this thread Eagles not my thing but good luck Neil are you going to fly one.

Thanks Lee.Yes I am keeping the first hatched on the left.

Neil

[Berkut]

Neil t seems u are in the aviary every foto u take ? Doesn't the female get agresive ? is she pr or imprint and are u dual rearing the chicks or are they really a 100% parent-reared ?

i wish u all the best in the future with these litle ones :supz:

friendly greetz peter

Peter,
They are being reared by an imprint female in an open aviary. They never see the food being supplied but they see humans every day. I have found eagles reared like this to be very well adjusted and great to train. Their father was reared like this (it is his mother you see in the photograph) and he has gone on to breed naturally.


Atb,
Neil

[SakerYZF]

They all look really well , made up for you :-D

Chris.

[Rex06]

Peter,
They are being reared by an imprint female in an open aviary. They never see the food being supplied but they see humans every day. I have found eagles reared like this to be very well adjusted and great to train. Their father was reared like this (it is his mother you see in the photograph) and he has gone on to breed naturally.


Atb,
Neil

cinnibars mother in law :lol: and bentleys mother.
So this is some kind of "light" dual rearing.

Why didn't u put them back in with cinnibar and vlad ? Are u afraid, cinnibar isn't going to react as positive as granny ? and i gues cinnibar and vlad are not in an open fronted aviary?

I know a guy who did this with perexlanners
He and the peregrine (the mother) fed the siblings in the nest and they turned out great, tame, parent-reared behaviour and they would breed naturally if they could.

Seems to give the best and the safest results, this is world class neil, i really wish u all the best

greetzz

[Berkut]

cinnibars mother in law :lol: and bentleys mother.
So this is some kind of "light" dual rearing.

Why didn't u put them back in with cinnibar and vlad ? Are u afraid, cinnibar isn't going to react as positive as granny ? and i gues cinnibar and vlad are not in an open fronted aviary?

I know a guy who did this with perexlanners
He and the peregrine (the mother) fed the siblings in the nest and they turned out great, tame, parent-reared behaviour and they would breed naturally if they could.

Seems to give the best and the safest results, this is world class neil, i really wish u all the best

greetzz


Hi Peter,
It is Cinnibar and Bentley who are together and the parents. So Bentley was reared exactly where his own chicks are being reared now.Unusually, Cinnibar laid a clutch of 3 eggs and they were left to incubate the 3rd egg ,while eggs 1 and 2 were removed and incubated by a very reliable and experienced imprint.
Due to the fact that they had built the nest(albeit a substantial one) on a flat surface ,the 3rd egg had to be removed and placed in an incubater after 28 days incubation due to the base of the nest becoming too thin. A dummy egg was placed in the nest ,but this disappeared after a further 8 days. Egg 1 was infertile , but 2 and 3 hatched.
Unfortunately this meant Cinnibar and Bentley never had the opportunity to rear. This will be the priority next year , although there may be another twist in the tale yet , but that is for another day.

Atb,
Neil

[Agent D.]

, although there may be another twist in the tale yet , but that is for another day.

Atb,
Neil


got some feather straightening tongs if you want to borrow them :rolleyes::lol: (;-)

[Rex06]

A dummy egg was placed in the nest ,but this disappeared after a further 8 days.

Was it a wooden egg like in the foto's ? or was it something else and how can it just disapear ?

and i'm curious to hear about the other twist in the tail :)

friendly greetzz

[Berkut]

Was it a wooden egg like in the foto's ? or was it something else and how can it just disapear ?

and i'm curious to hear about the other twist in the tail :)

friendly greetzz


Peter ,
It was a blown infertile egg.You have pm.

Neil.

[Eagle-Eyrie]

what an awesome thread and it has some brill:heart: photos. i wish you bet of luck and hope to see a thread on the young in the comming seasons:supz: i am really impressed and commend you on your efforts.

good hawking

dylan

[Berkut]

what an awesome thread and it has some brill:heart: photos. i wish you bet of luck and hope to see a thread on the young in the comming seasons:supz: i am really impressed and commend you on your efforts.

good hawking

dylan

Thanks Dylan.Hopefully some updated photos in the next day or so. The growth rate of these chicks is amazing at this stage. At hatch they were just under 100gms. Now at 23 days and 20 days, they are weighing in at 1700gms and 1000gms.

Neil.

[AlexB]

Hi there Neil is that much of a difference normal with only 3 days between them. if so looks like No1 is gonna be a big lad.

Alex

[Berkut]

Hi there Neil is that much of a difference normal with only 3 days between them. if so looks like No1 is gonna be a big lad.

Alex

Alex,
I think the 1st chick is exceptionally large , but the second one is catching up and is now putting on more per day than the 1st. I don't think there will be that much of a difference by the time they are fully grown.


Neil

[Laggan]

I remember last year meeting Neil at a services, by the edge of some shady trees and unloading Cinnibar and Bentley from the back of my truck. For those that haven't had the pleasure of seeing Cinnibar in the flesh, she is stunning, probably THE archetypal Golden Eagle. On her block she looked wonderfully calm and regal. You should have seen the look on the faces of the car drivers leaving the services when Bentley came out too! In fact it looked a little like a drug deal going down, aided by John looking incredibly like Gene Hackman as Popeye Doyle in the French Connection (where did you get THOSE trousers John? :lol:)

Neil, I bet you can't really have let yourself imagine those relatively few months ago that you would now have two healthy youngsters - the stuff of dreams really. Absolutely delighted for you...........I don't know anyone more committed to their falconry than you and you deserve to be feeling on cloud nine. Given their parentage, they should be real lookers. Great thread.

Best wishes.

Iain

[Berkut]

I remember last year meeting Neil at a services, by the edge of some shady trees and unloading Cinnibar and Bentley from the back of my truck. For those that haven't had the pleasure of seeing Cinnibar in the flesh, she is stunning, probably THE archetypal Golden Eagle. On her block she looked wonderfully calm and regal. You should have seen the look on the faces of the car drivers leaving the services when Bentley came out too! In fact it looked a little like a drug deal going down, aided by John looking incredibly like Gene Hackman as Popeye Doyle in the French Connection (where did you get THOSE trousers John? :lol:)

Neil, I bet you can't really have let yourself imagine those relatively few months ago that you would now have two healthy youngsters - the stuff of dreams really. Absolutely delighted for you...........I don't know anyone more committed to their falconry than you and you deserve to be feeling on cloud nine. Given their parentage, they should be real lookers. Great thread.

Best wishes.

Iain


Thanks Iain. It seems like only yesterday. The icing on the cake will be both youngsters and Floyd taking hares in the one outing this coming season.:D

[Berkut]

Chicks now 24 and 21 days. The gap in size is closing but as you can see they are thriving. Photos and weighing will be less frequent as they tend to squat on the nest and over familiarisation from now on is to be avoided.

Neil.


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/17thMay09.jpg

[KiteTrainer]

Coming along nicely the size difference is not so obvious now

John

[RedNoseK9]

Looking great now mate and certainly do seem to be thriving

Wez

[LeesHawks]

Chicks now 24 and 21 days. The gap in size is closing but as you can see they are thriving. Photos and weighing will be less frequent as they tend to squat on the nest and over familiarisation from now on is to be avoided.

Neil.


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/17thMay09.jpg


top class stuff neil, worth all the effort for sure mate well done, i look forward to seeing the pictures when they come out the pen, i bet they will look awsome.

lee

[Salty]

the other ones closing in now mate:supz:im over the moon for yous mate,proper belter this news, good luck with the twist mate hope its more action on the go;)all the best neil and thanks salty

[Salty]

just thought id post this fer yer neil matey:supz:its canny reading about the old goldies in ireland http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/ireland-eagles009.html

[Salty]

just thought id post this fer yer neil matey:supz:its canny reading about the old goldies in ireland http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/ireland-eagles009.html

by the way me old mucka,;)dont forget to read what ace birds they used to foster the smaller chick till they put it back ,mines not for sale mind pmsl;):lol:

[Berkut]

Thanks for that Salty.Glad they had the sense to remove the 2nd chick this time. I couldn't believe they didn't in 2007.

Neil.

[Berkut]

by the way me old mucka,;)dont forget to read what ace birds they used to foster the smaller chick till they put it back ,mines not for sale mind pmsl;):lol:


Funny thing is they had been offered and refused the help of a well known eagle breeder in the past. It would have been far better reared by a golden. I suppose if it's only for a few days it won't matter that much.

Neil

[Salty]

Thanks for that Salty.Glad they had the sense to remove the 2nd chick this time. I couldn't believe they didn't in 2007.

Neil.
aye mate u welcome :supz: its a shame ,but it must happen a lot out in the wilds i bet:(aye be good to follow there progress aswell ]il keep checking the sit heres a good link to save http://www.wildlifeextra.com/

[Berkut]

This photo was taken yesterday with the chicks at 27 days and 24 days and weighing in at 2138gms and 1390gms respectively.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/20thMay09.jpg

[Agent D.]

phenominal thread, awesome pics. thanks you for continual posts and updates. :supz:

[Alan G]

It's amazing to be able to see their progress Neil and just how quickly they are putting on weight. :supz:

[Berkut]

It's amazing to be able to see their progress Neil and just how quickly they are putting on weight. :supz:

Alan,
I am thinking the 1st one may be female at that weight. I'll still be flying it whatever it turns out to be.

Neil.

[Salty]

theyre class mate ,i must admit they seem a big range in the weight mate between them ,id be thinking the same as you mate aswell get the needle an thread over them dude:supz::supz:;)

[Island Lad]

Niel what weight is she m8.

Steve

[Berkut]

Niel what weight is she m8.

Steve

2138gms at 27 days.

Neil

[Alf]

Neil I would knock the grams on the head mate its only confusing us!:yawinkle:
With an eagle grams?? Alf.

[Gram]

Alan,
I am thinking the 1st one may be female at that weight. I'll still be flying it whatever it turns out to be.

Neil.
I bet your hoping its not,carrying that big lump of a bird around the hill all day:lol:

[Eagle-Eyrie]

Hey neil

things are looking good and birds are putting weight on nicely now. It is amazing the rate at which the chicks develop. With bloodllines like that you have some quality eagles to fly soon.

good hawking

dylan

[Berkut]

Alan,
I am thinking the 1st one may be female at that weight. I'll still be flying it whatever it turns out to be.

Neil.

Retract the above , membranes have turned up and DNA results say both are male.:supz::supz:

[samatney]

congrats........

Steven

[Alan G]

2138gms at 27 days.

Neil

Neil I would knock the grams on the head mate its only confusing us!:yawinkle:
With an eagle grams?? Alf.

:lol:

I make it 4 lb 7 oz http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/Alibonzo/Smilies/icon_thud.gif

[Alan G]

Retract the above , membranes have turned up and DNA results say both are male.:supz::supz:

Really good news Neil, as i know what it means to you and thankfully they eventually arrived.

[JoHo]

When do you expect to see the second chick catching up on weight or is that much later when things start slowing down??

Do you know how much each weighed after the same amount of days....i.e nr1's weight at 24 days
Johann

[Berkut]

When do you expect to see the second chick catching up on weight or is that much later when things start slowing down??

Do you know how much each weighed after the same amount of days....i.e nr1's weight at 24 days
Johann


Johann,
They are weighed less and less now to avoid too much contact. No 2 will catch up a fair bit,but I think it is the case of the first one being large rather than the 2nd one being small. With Cinnibar being the size she is ,there is always the chance of her throwing a biggie , male or female.

Neil.

[Berkut]

Update on the eaglets. No.1 33 days and a whopping 2933gms :shock:(approx 6.5 lbs)

No.2(at the back) 30 days and 1910gms ( approx 4.2 lbs).

Should really start feathering up shortly.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/26thMay2009.jpghttp://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstMay-BothChicks.jpg

[Laggan]

Update on the eaglets. No.1 33 days and a whopping 2933gms :shock:(approx 6.5 lbs)


Cracking photo Neil, since both are confirmed as male, maybe Cinnibar has thrown a large chick? If you plotted growth rates for both against previously known data for other males, where would you put these two? (not that I would like to lead this into a size-ist thread like those that form the preponderance of other hawk threads it seems :roll:) Great stuff - both chicks look well, though that one at the back (chick 2?) looks the mutt's nutts.

Thanks.

Iain

[Berkut]

Cracking photo Neil, since both are confirmed as male, maybe Cinnibar has thrown a large chick? If you plotted growth rates for both against previously known data for other males, where would you put these two? (not that I would like to lead this into a size-ist thread like those that form the preponderance of other hawk threads it seems :roll:) Great stuff - both chicks look well, though that one at the back (chick 2?) looks the mutt's nutts.

Thanks.

Iain

Iain,
The 1st chick goes way off the graph.The 2nd is bang in the middle. I have to say ,at that weight even with 2 DNA results, I would put my money on the first one being a female. If it's a male I'll eat Kylie Mynogues shorts.:lol::lol::tonqe:

[Berkut]

Cracking photo Neil, since both are confirmed as male, maybe Cinnibar has thrown a large chick? If you plotted growth rates for both against previously known data for other males, where would you put these two? (not that I would like to lead this into a size-ist thread like those that form the preponderance of other hawk threads it seems :roll:) Great stuff - both chicks look well, though that one at the back (chick 2?) looks the mutt's nutts.

Thanks.

Iain


On second thoughts,maybe the first one is a "Superior" golden eagle.:lol::lol:

[HawkEagle]

Could the DNA test be wrong? The first chick is definitly hugh.

[GSP]

Iain,
The 1st chick goes way off the graph.The 2nd is bang in the middle. I have to say ,at that weight even with 2 DNA results, I would put my money on the first one being a female. If it's a male I'll eat Kylie Mynogues shorts.:lol::lol::tonqe:
I bet you won't find no talc in them!!!!
congratts with the chicks
ATB
Steve

[Berkut]

Could the DNA test be wrong? The first chick is definitly hugh.

Could be , although a swab test and a membrane test says male. The size tells me female.

Neil.

[Berkut]

I bet you won't find no talc in them!!!!
congratts with the chicks
ATB
Steve

Cheers Steve.Always carry a spare tub of talc in car.:lol::lol:

[Laggan]

...........If it's a male I'll eat Kylie Mynogues shorts

:shock::shock::shock:

[Berkut]

Update on the eaglets. No.1 33 days and a whopping 2933gms :shock:(approx 6.5 lbs)

No.2(at the back) 30 days and 1910gms ( approx 4.2 lbs).

Should really start feathering up shortly.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/26thMay2009.jpghttp://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstMay-BothChicks.jpg


Meant to say 25 days between these phographs.

Neil.

[AlexB]

looks like No1 is taking size from mum then Neil. Going to be a big lad.

great to see.

ATB

Alex

[Alan G]

Three weeks and there development is staggering, what a weight increase. So at what age are you looking to pick him/her up at Neil?

[Berkut]

Three weeks and there development is staggering, what a weight increase. So at what age are you looking to pick him/her up at Neil?


Alan,
Hard penned around 12 weeks old and then into the hack type pen for 8 weeks or so.Taken up for training around 20 weeks , 24 at the very most.

Neil

[BillyWilson]

Update on the eaglets. No.1 33 days and a whopping 2933gms :shock:(approx 6.5 lbs)

No.2(at the back) 30 days and 1910gms ( approx 4.2 lbs).

Should really start feathering up shortly.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/26thMay2009.jpghttp://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/IstMay-BothChicks.jpg
Flipping hell , you had them sitting in a grow bag ????????????????????????????

[Pearl]

coming on very nice mate thanks for the update :yawinkle:

[LongVVing]

Update on the eaglets. No.1 33 days and a whopping 2933gms :shock:(approx 6.5 lbs)

No.2(at the back) 30 days and 1910gms ( approx 4.2 lbs).

Should really start feathering up shortly.



Neil, is that a normal weight difference for 3 days with two birds of the same sex. If no 1 does turn out to be a male he's gonna be a monster!

Good to see them doing great though!

Mark.

[OutFlying]

I'll not bother weighing the gos now Neil :lol:

Jim.

[Berkut]

Neil, is that a normal weight difference for 3 days with two birds of the same sex. If no 1 does turn out to be a male he's gonna be a monster!

Good to see them doing great though!

Mark.

Mark,
I think it's a far bigger gap than you would expect , but Cinnibar is a particularly large female. It could be that she has thrown a large male. The 2nd one is by no means small. It could be that 2 DNA tests are wrong and "he" is a "she". Whatever happens 1st bred eagle,and hatched on my birthday, I'll be flying it.

Atb,
Neil.

[KiteTrainer]

Massive growth rate looking good

John

[Alf]

John I can see Neil having a sore arm this year? Alf


Massive growth rate looking good

John

[Berkut]

John I can see Neil having a sore arm this year? Alf

Alf,
Half a season carrying that brute and my left arm will be as strong as my right.:lol::lol:

[Berkut]

Massive growth rate looking good

John


That's not the first time that's been said to me.:lol::lol:

[Alf]

Good one. :yawinkle::lol:


That's not the first time that's been said to me.:lol::lol:

[JoHo]

Its hard to comprehend that weight looking at little chicks still in their down coats. Especially when there is nothing really to compare them against like the adult in the second pic.

I bet you are being unbearable at home....has your family not bound and gagged you yet?

Looks good so far....

Johann

[Berkut]

Its hard to comprehend that weight looking at little chicks still in their down coats. Especially when there is nothing really to compare them against like the adult in the second pic.

I bet you are being unbearable at home....has your family not bound and gagged you yet?

Looks good so far....

Johann

It's just a waiting game now. Make sure I don't jump in too early. Looking forward to seeing them feather up. I'm generally unbearable at home , so no change there.:lol::lol:

[Salty]

flippen hell they huge neil .its good they still good together ,has there been any aggresion towards each other like you hear about with eagle siblings ?im over the moon fer ya mate and hatched on yer birthday thats a omen dude gonna be a belter,well done all concerned:supz::supz:

[Berkut]

flippen hell they huge neil .its good they still good together ,has there been any aggresion towards each other like you hear about with eagle siblings ?im over the moon fer ya mate and hatched on yer birthday thats a omen dude gonna be a belter,well done all concerned:supz::supz:

Cheers Salty,
No aggression at all. That female has reared 3 before with no problems.

Neil.

[Salty]

Cheers Salty,
No aggression at all. That female has reared 3 before with no problems.

Neil.

proper awesome mate :supz: shame they werent like that in the wild theyd be more around ,am dying to see the pics of the two when fledged ,i find it hard to belive theyre 2 males:supz:2 tests shoul be true i suppose , but hey another few weeks and youl know yourself il bet,thanks dude top notch salty :supz:

[Berkut]

Update on the eaglets. Now 35 days and 32 days. Foot comparison shows little difference so it looks like 2 males after all.

2nd Pic is no.2 chick and 3rd pic is with the adult for comparison.

Neil.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/28thMay09.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/28thMay092.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/28thMay093.jpg

[Alan G]

Neil, i know i said earlier in the thread about how quickly they had developed, but holy s h i t batman, that last picture shows just what size of lumps they are for there age's.

It's never ceased to amaze me over the years, the development rate that birds have and as mentioned by other's.
What a great birthday present, as well as having the photographic memories to look back on.

[JoHo]

Thanks for the photos....

The are massive. Incredible.

Johann

[Salty]

looking like xmas turkeys neil :lol: ,that foster mum is worth her weight in gold to yous id say mate ,she looks well happy and content she does, it great to see birds as magnificent so happy in captivity :supz::supz::supz:dont pull em to quick ,patience lol how long was floyd in wi mum?if a remember reading his tempo was ace i think

[Berkut]

looking like xmas turkeys neil :lol: ,that foster mum is worth her weight in gold to yous id say mate ,she looks well happy and content she does, it great to see birds as magnificent so happy in captivity :supz::supz::supz:dont pull em to quick ,patience lo. l how long was floyd in wi mum?if a remember reading his tempo was ace i think

Salty,
Thanks. Stay in till 12 weeks or so and then into the hack pen for 8-12 weeks.

Neil.

[Salty]

Salty,
Thanks. Stay in till 12 weeks or so and then into the hack pen for 8-12 weeks.

Neil.

top notch :supz:youl avta put some strong branches in the hack pen for andre the giant mate ;)

[TimDog80]

Nice to log back in and see there coming along well for you mate!:goodman:..........{its ok im not gonna comment how big the first chick is as well:lol::yawinkle:}

regards
Tim:D

[Laggan]

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/28thMay093.jpg

Glad that you know there are two chicks here - looks like one and a sheepskin rug to me :lol:

[Berkut]

Not much to report apart from an update on the weights.The first chick weighed in this morning at 3316gms ( approx 7lb 5 oz) and the second one at 2428gms(approx 5lb 5 oz ). They are now 39 days and 36 days .

Neil.

[HawkEagle]

The first chick is hugh, no way it's a male considering it still has alot to grow.

[AlexB]

Neil is there a point at which the weight of the chick would give an idea on his hunting weights other than at penning.

ATB

Alex

[Berkut]

Neil is there a point at which the weight of the chick would give an idea on his hunting weights other than at penning.

ATB

Alex


No Alex. Their top weight depends on how late you leave it to take them up. Their flying weight in the first season is a bit of a lottery and I have found doesn't really reflect on what they will fly at in future seasons.

Bentley was taken up in November of his first year and topped out at 9lb 12 oz and now would fly best under 7lbs. Taggart on the other hand was taken up late August and only topped out at 8lb 3oz, yet he is larger than Bentley.

Neil

[Berkut]

A couple of pics from today.Not the best , but they'll do.

Chick No.1 at 41 days old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/006-3.jpg

Chick No.2 at 38 days old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/007-1.jpg

Neil.

[Alf]

Aren’t eagles pretty at this age? Shame they have to grow up!:yawinkle:
Cracking mate! :supz: Alf.

[Salty]

bearskin rug or what ,size of it:supz::supz:

[DJMWyoming]

Hi Neil. Very nice. You've been wanting this for a long time. Congrats again to you.

How's everything else going? Say hi to John for me.

Dan

[Laggan]

As the feathers start to come through they are finally beginning to look like young eaglets Neil. You are privileged to be able to capture the development of your future bird from a specific egg onwards - this thread's a real treat.

[Hardcore Hawker]

Not much to report apart from an update on the weights.The first chick weighed in this morning at 3316gms ( approx 7lb 5 oz) and the second one at 2428gms(approx 5lb 5 oz ). They are now 39 days and 36 days .

Neil.

:shock: That is some growth rate neil in a little more than a month, what is the penning time in days for the male and female Neil?

[Berkut]

:shock: That is some growth rate neil in a little more than a month, what is the penning time in days for the male and female Neil?

Steve,
12-13 weeks for a male to pen 14-15 weeks for a female.

Neil.

[Aman]

awesome thread, thanks for sharing

[MorFalc]

looking good neil.

[BillyWilson]

A couple of pics from today.Not the best , but they'll do.

Chick No.1 at 41 days old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/006-3.jpg

Chick No.2 at 38 days old.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/007-1.jpg

Neil.Neil they are just the donkey,s three piece marra ****** lush

[Hardcore Hawker]

Steve,
12-13 weeks for a male to pen 14-15 weeks for a female.

Neil.

Wow the male is not a mile away from a Female Gos, and to think of the size difference, what amount of grub on average would you say they put away on a daily basis??

[KiteTrainer]

What a difference, they are looking excellent

John

[Agent D.]

yup. lovin this thread! :)

[Kentish Falconry]

Looking really good Neil the growth rate is amazing.
I look forward to seeing you on the Hill with Number 1, you will have to come up with a great name for him/her.
I am really pleased for you Neil I couldn't be happier if they were mine :)
Happy Hawking

Terry

[Alf]

As long as it doesn’t sound like fruit!
Can’t leave the door open for Nigel? :yawinkle::lol: Alf.



Looking really good Neil the growth rate is amazing.
I look forward to seeing you on the Hill with Number 1, you will have to come up with a great name for him/her.
I am really pleased for you Neil I couldn't be happier if they were mine :)
Happy Hawking

Terry

[Berkut]

A few photos from today at 45 and 42 days

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune3.jpg

[Miliscer]

A few photos from today at 45 and 42 days

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune3.jpg

Really impressive rate of growth Neil!!

At what age are you looking at pulling them?

Mike

[RedNoseK9]

Looking good now mate at least you will have one bird bigger than min

Wez

[Berkut]

Really impressive rate of growth Neil!!

At what age are you looking at pulling them?

Mike


Mike,
They will be removed from the adult around 12 weeks old and will then spend another 8-12 weeks in the hack type pen.

Depending how things pan out I'll be taking No.1 out to start on at between 20 and 24 weeks.

Neil

[Miliscer]

Mike,
They will be removed from the adult around 12 weeks old and will then spend another 8-12 weeks in the hack type pen.

Depending how things pan out I'll be taking No.1 out to start on at between 20 and 24 weeks.

Neil

Neil

Its incredible to think that they will be fully feathered in that time (12 weeks!) It will continue to be a great read as they grow and then once you start to work with him - looking forward to seeing him develop.

Mike

[RedNoseK9]

Neil is chick 1 appearing to be much larger than chick 2 as the weight differance was so big early on ?

Wez

[PitBullOne]

now this is a proper thread great stuff niel, so exciting,absolutely made up for you m8 ,and full congrats to andrew for making this possible,

[Berkut]

Wez,
At the last weigh in about a week ago , chick 1 was 2lbs heavier than chick 2. In the flesh you can definately see a big difference , even although only 3 days difference.

Neil.

[Berkut]

now this is a proper thread great stuff niel, so exciting,absolutely made up for you m8 ,and full congrats to andrew for making this possible,

Thanks Robin. Looking forward to a good season.

[Dude]

The eaglets are growing like mushrooms Neil! Looking forward on the thread!

Dan.

[Berkut]

The eaglets are growing like mushrooms Neil! Looking forward on the thread!

Dan.


Thanks Dan.

[BillyWilson]

A few photos from today at 45 and 42 days

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/Neil_Hunter/7thJune3.jpg
Now you can really see them changing since the last photo,s just the other day , they or belta,s marra Atb .

[BillyWilson]

Its a pleasure been able to see the progress of these young eagles from egg to pip, from hatching and been updated with there progress and been able to see No 1 hunting and catching hares this season what an experince Neil Atb

[Salty]

looking good berkut:supz::supz:il av the one one the left then must be free or cheap lol;):lol:

[JoHo]

How many ways can one find to say "Looking Good", "What a cracker", "Done good, well good".....it gets a bit boring after a while so I will hold of on posting until I have something valid to say...but all the above still stand.

Johann

[AndyR]

Hi, brilliant to see Cinnabar again, I flew her for Mima in her first season. This was at Whipsnade. Good to see her again, she was the result of AI.

[Berkut]

Hi, brilliant to see Cinnabar again, I flew her for Mima in her first season. This was at Whipsnade. Good to see her again, she was the result of AI.

Thanks for posting Andy. Could you pm me more info re that 1st season or a number I could speak to you on.

Atb,
Neil

[JoHo]

Just a quick thought that occurred to me the other day. How are these two comparing with spike.

Johann