African hawk eagles

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

everyday raves about them but the people that say this when i say have u got one they say no or me mate sez or read it sum where. so to my question is anybody out there breeding and flyin them in the uk and how hard will the wallet be hit

cheers adam

[Berkut]

Adam,
I had the misfortune to train one of these last year on behalf of a friend. The bird was a mal-imprint and the worst bird I have ever handled. The guy paid £5,500 for the bird which was way over the top for what I saw was potentially nothing more than a rabbit hawk. It was noisier than the most vocal female golden eagle. By the time I gave him it back if he had offered me it for free I would have refused.
Neil.

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

Adam,
I had the misfortune to train one of these last year on behalf of a friend. The bird was a mal-imprint and the worst bird I have ever handled. The guy paid £5,500 for the bird which was way over the top for what I saw was potentially nothing more than a rabbit hawk. It was noisier than the most vocal female golden eagle. By the time I gave him it back if he had offered me it for free I would have refused.
Neil.

really just a bad apple do you think also there suppose to be alittle bigger than red-tails do you think that they have potental in this country for falconry

[Berkut]

really just a bad apple do you think also there suppose to be alittle bigger than red-tails do you think that they have potental in this country for falconry

The one I had was a male and to be fair a parent reared may have been a different kettle of fish. I would have said a redtail would have been a far better option ,going on footsize and the general strength of the bird. All considered they are very overpriced.

[CopperBarn]

really just a bad apple do you think also there suppose to be alittle bigger than red-tails do you think that they have potental in this country for falconry

A good friend of mine works with one and she says after all her years of training birds, it is the biggest waste of feathers and feet.
Very beautiful and intelligent birds yes, but there is a fine line between being calm and graceful in flight to slow, first gear and bloody lazy.

Good display bird, but after seeing one in action, I would not expect anything more of it.

Anna x

[NorthenEnglandHawker]

cheers for that berkut id rather have a crowned eagle but there like rocking horse poo only person iv heard ov one wiv is ANB and i dont think he has plans for breeding:(

[NGuruve]

hmmm maybe you just had a bad experience neil becuse i was told by a very experienced falconer who has flown a hell of alot of bird that they were the best birds hes ever flown and have the best natural hunting ability hes seen as they seem to catch on to hunting well very fast and are the perfect size for english quarry

[CopperBarn]

hmmm maybe you just had a bad experience neil becuse i was told by a very experienced falconer who has flown a hell of alot of bird that they were the best birds hes ever flown and have the best natural hunting ability hes seen as they seem to catch on to hunting well very fast and are the perfect size for english quarry

Unless you have seen these birds with your own eyes, it is hard to say what they are/are not good at.
They are very intelligent and I have seen a display bird shimmying up poles to get at food hidden in the cracks, as well as going through tunnels and probing rocks.
They fly very slowly and just seem to lack that certain something our harrises and red tails thrive on.

Why pay £5k when u can get the good old harris or red for a fraction of the price?

I have yet to find a harris or redtail which I did not adore, an will defend them to the end :supz:

Anna x x

[RedNoseK9]

Unless you have seen these birds with your own eyes, it is hard to say what they are/are not good at.
They are very intelligent and I have seen a display bird shimmying up poles to get at food hidden in the cracks, as well as going through tunnels and probing rocks.
They fly very slowly and just seem to lack that certain something our harrises and red tails thrive on.

Why pay £5k when u can get the good old harris or red for a fraction of the price?

I have yet to find a harris or redtail which I did not adore, an will defend them to the end :supz:

Anna x x





Just what we are all looking for in a falconry bird

[CopperBarn]

Just what we are all looking for in a falconry bird

Up to you, I wouldn't pay £5k for something a trusty redtail or harris could do.
:rolleyes: lol

I'd be scared to bring it out in public!! Folk round my way will put your car on bricks quicker than you can say: B*STARDS!

[RedNoseK9]

I mean the going up poles and gettin food an that wrong sort of intelligence for me i want focused killing machine:supz:

[CopperBarn]

I mean the going up poles and gettin food an that wrong sort of intelligence for me i want focused killing machine:supz:

Apparently they can also bend their legs in crazy angles to reach chicks in nests inside tree trunks.

£5k elastic birds, thats the way forward I tell you!!!! lol pmsl :lol:

[Berkut]

A good friend of mine works with one and she says after all her years of training birds, it is the biggest waste of feathers and feet.
Very beautiful and intelligent birds yes, but there is a fine line between being calm and graceful in flight to slow, first gear and bloody lazy.

Good display bird, but after seeing one in action, I would not expect anything more of it.

Anna x

Anna,
Good post.

[Berkut]

hmmm maybe you just had a bad experience neil becuse i was told by a very experienced falconer who has flown a hell of alot of bird that they were the best birds hes ever flown and have the best natural hunting ability hes seen as they seem to catch on to hunting well very fast and are the perfect size for english quarry

I could be wrong as I only have the experience of one to go on,but it was poor. I suppose they must be capable or they wouldn't survive.
I would try another one if I was in Africa I suppose:wink:

[CopperBarn]

Anna,
Good post.

Thanks Berkut,

I try :oops: lol :lol:

Anna x

[Wingless]

Anna the bird you are talking about is an African Harrier Hawk or gymnogene, not an African Hawk Eagle. :) I am sure there are not African hawk Eagles being used in display and I would be surprised to hear them behave in the way you mentioned, I didnt say anything until you put up about the double jointed legs, which is well known about gymnogenes. ;)

Cheers
Robbie

Apparently they can also bend their legs in crazy angles to reach chicks in nests inside tree trunks.

£5k elastic birds, thats the way forward I tell you!!!! lol pmsl :lol:

[Chicquera]

The one I had was a male and to be fair a parent reared may have been a different kettle of fish. I would have said a redtail would have been a far better option ,going on footsize and the general strength of the bird. All considered they are very overpriced.

Neil, Paul Bevan, now at the Lakeland BoP Centre, flew African Hawks years ago when he worked down at Newent and he says out of all those Spizaetus the AHE's were the best and this guy has flown stuff that most people on here would have never even heard of !!
I'm sure if falconry was just about catching quarry everyone would be flying Goshawks and Peregrines and nothing else !

[CopperBarn]

Anna the bird you are talking about is an African Harrier Hawk or gymnogene, not an African Hawk Eagle. :) I am sure there are not African hawk Eagles being used in display and I would be surprised to hear them behave in the way you mentioned, I didnt say anything until you put up about the double jointed legs, which is well known about gymnogenes. ;)

Cheers
Robbie

HAHA!!! I was thinking of an African Harrier Hawk!!! The grey ones with paler sometimes yellowy patches of skin round their faces????

HAHA!! I feel like such a pleb now. I've seen these birds in action and they don't appeal to me as hunting birds!!

It was the African bit in the name which confuzzled me :rolleyes:

Thanks for pointing it out to me Robbie, I wouldn't have done myself any favours carrying that on!! Sorry to whoever it was I said they couldn't comment without seeing the bird themselves! It would help if I had seen an African Hawk Eagle in flight lol.

Sorry guys :oops:

I know what I meant lol

Anna x x x x x x x x

[Wingless]

Seem to remember you calling me "muppet" last time i said something daft ;) still, interesting post you made about african harrier hawks :D

HAHA!!! I was thinking of an African Harrier Hawk!!! The grey ones with paler sometimes yellowy patches of skin round their faces????

HAHA!! I feel like such a pleb now. I've seen these birds in action and they don't appeal to me as hunting birds!!

It was the African bit in the name which confuzzled me :rolleyes:

Thanks for pointing it out to me Robbie, I wouldn't have done myself any favours carrying that on!! Sorry to whoever it was I said they couldn't comment without seeing the bird themselves! It would help if I had seen an African Hawk Eagle in flight lol.

Sorry guys :oops:

I know what I meant lol

Anna x x x x x x x x

[CopperBarn]

Seem to remember you calling me "muppet" last time i said something daft ;) still, interesting post you made about african harrier hawks :D

Me? Call you a muppet? Would a sweet and innocent girl like me do something like that??

:yawinkle:

Anna x x

p.s what daft thing was it you said? lol :lol:

[Chicquera]

Seem to remember you calling me "muppet" last time i said something daft ;) still, interesting post you made about african harrier hawks

Maybe Neil made the same mistake and that's what he was flying !!! I'll pay good money if anyone has a photo of him with it on his fist!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Wingless]

Maybe Neil made the same mistake and that's what he was flying !!! I'll pay good money if anyone has a photo of him with it on his fist!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL Neil?? :shock:

[Berkut]

Neil, Paul Bevan, now at the Lakeland BoP Centre, flew African Hawks years ago when he worked down at Newent and he says out of all those Spizaetus the AHE's were the best and this guy has flown stuff that most people on here would have never even heard of !!
I'm sure if falconry was just about catching quarry everyone would be flying Goshawks and Peregrines and nothing else !


Well that's what it's all about for me Gary and when it's not I'll throw the towel in;)



Maybe Neil made the same mistake and that's what he was flying !!! I'll pay good money if anyone has a photo of him with it on his fist!!!

Close but no cigar. :butthead:

LOL Neil??

;)

[CopperBarn]

Well that's what it's all about for me Gary and when it's not I'll throw the towel in;)





Close but no cigar. :butthead:



;)

One nill to Berkut

lol

[NGuruve]

Apparently they can also bend their legs in crazy angles to reach chicks in nests inside tree trunks.

£5k elastic birds, thats the way forward I tell you!!!! lol pmsl :lol:

your thinking of a gymogenne

[NGuruve]

in zimbabwe people use african hawk eagles to catch scrub hares at night and ive heard of them being able to catch a duiker( about the size of a muntjac ) they are also very fast and can catch guinea fowl and francolin so i dont think by any standards these birds are bad they are very gd birds and will hunt in pairs in the wild so maybe can fly a cast

but from everybody ive heard from they are a better bird than the bonellis and are prefect for england because you can catch pheasants as well as anything up to a hare or squirrel i think that you just had a very bad experience neil if you ever get a chance to talk to paul who runs the falconry centre in the lake district he has flown a few and he will tell you diffrent

[Berkut]

in zimbabwe people use african hawk eagles to catch scrub hares at night and ive heard of them being able to catch a duiker( about the size of a muntjac ) they are also very fast and can catch guinea fowl and francolin so i dont think by any standards these birds are bad they are very gd birds and will hunt in pairs in the wild so maybe can fly a cast

but from everybody ive heard from they are a better bird than the bonellis and are prefect for england because you can catch pheasants as well as anything up to a hare or squirrel i think that you just had a very bad experience neil if you ever get a chance to talk to paul who runs the falconry centre in the lake district he has flown a few and he will tell you diffrent

Fair comment but if I want to catch hares I'll stick to native goldies and for pheasants I'll fly a gos.Both are far more bird for the money and also far more capable of dealing with our climate.;)

[NGuruve]

yer true i guess for the money there are birds far better suited but if they were priced the same as a gos id get one instead but no matter il just wait 2 more years and get one when i go back to africa for free muuuhahah:supz: :twisted:

[Tim Laycock]

cheers for that berkut id rather have a crowned eagle but there like rocking horse poo only person iv heard ov one wiv is ANB and i dont think he has plans for breeding:(

You couldnt even carry the hawk eagle for a couple of hours let alone a crowned :lol: :yawinkle:

[Chicquera]

Well that's what it's all about for me Gary and when it's not I'll throw the towel in;)





Close but no cigar. :butthead:



;)

Falconry is about the flight, not the kill, although the latter stimulates the former and success leads to better flights !
The African Hawk Eagle shows massive potential for falconry here, even more so than in South Africa where their hares are nocturnal so they can only be "lamped" at night.
The bird you had was very badly reared and in no way should be taken as an example of the species. How do you think a Golden Eagle would have performed with a similar background ? Probably wouldn't have even been able to pick it up, let alone fly it !
I just feel sorry for the bird ! :(

[Berkut]

Falconry is about the flight, not the kill, although the latter stimulates the former and success leads to better flights !
The African Hawk Eagle shows massive potential for falconry here, even more so than in South Africa where their hares are nocturnal so they can only be "lamped" at night.
The bird you had was very badly reared and in no way should be taken as an example of the species. How do you think a Golden Eagle would have performed with a similar background ? Probably wouldn't have even been able to pick it up, let alone fly it !
I just feel sorry for the bird ! :(

Good point Gary. I still think they are not built for this climate. Soaked up water like a sponge. Even in the slightest drizzle old chap.;)

[Sprout]

Good point Gary. I still think they are not built for this climate. Soaked up water like a sponge. Even in the slightest drizzle old chap.;)

What about Bonelli's??? From what I'v heard they are the dogs danglies falconry related, highly sought after?? However, ornithologically speaking they are not that far related to African Hawk Eagles, and by some just another sub species?? So why the difference?

[Berkut]

What about Bonelli's??? From what I'v heard they are the dogs danglies falconry related, highly sought after?? However, ornithologically speaking they are not that far related to African Hawk Eagles, and by some just another sub species?? So why the difference?

Karl,
You are spot on.I just had a very bad experience.Luckily it was not me who had forked out 5.5k for the bird and I was able to hand it back.
At a flying weight of 2lb 11 oz I felt it was a tad on the expensive side.
Neil.

[Tim Laycock]

Whats it doing now?

[Berkut]

Whats it doing now?

The breeder gave him a full refund as he bought it as parent reared. It will no doubt be a semen donor before long.
Neil.

[Tim Laycock]

The breeder gave him a full refund as he bought it as parent reared. It will no doubt be a semen donor before long.
Neil.

Was it produced by AI?

[Berkut]

Was it produced by AI?

I am not sure Tim. But there is no doubt there we will see a big increase in them in the next 3 or 4 years. I think at the moment most are bred from natural pairs but like goshawks the AI route is the way it is going.
Neil

[Tim Laycock]

I think at the moment most are bred from natural pairs but like goshawks the AI route is the way it is going.

Neil


I agree,

<btw> Perhaps you could PM me the name of the breeder who is peddling malimprints as parent reared birds?

Just for my information you understand :yawinkle:

[Berkut]

I agree,

<btw> Perhaps you could PM me the name of the breeder who is peddling malimprints as parent reared birds?

Just for my information you understand :yawinkle:

Done. With an explanation.8-)

[Tim Laycock]

Thanks Neil,
That gives the fuller picture to say the least 8-)

[HawkEagle]

Could it be the age that makes the bird fly slowly and behave like a child. I have worked with many hawk eagles and I can say all of them take a long time to mature mentally and physically. You might be decieved by their size as they are similar to a redtail but hawk eagle will take much longer to mature.

[Berkut]

Could it be the age that makes the bird fly slowly and behave like a child. I have worked with many hawk eagles and I can say all of them take a long time to mature mentally and physically. You might be decieved by their size as they are similar to a redtail but hawk eagle will take much longer to mature.

HawkEagle,
It would certainly make sense and I would look to your opinion gladly.You are far more likely to come up with the answer.
Regards,
Neil.

[Chicquera]

Karl,
You are spot on.I just had a very bad experience.Luckily it was not me who had forked out 5.5k for the bird and I was able to hand it back.
At a flying weight of 2lb 11 oz I felt it was a tad on the expensive side.
Neil.

I dont think you're meant to buy hawks by the pound (LB). When you take into account the lengths someone has had to go to to import these things and the fact that they are so in-productive I think 5.5k is a gift.
I've talked to Bob Berry in the US who breeds Ornates and he says they are very slow to mature so maybe anyone thinking of taking any hawk eagle on would have to be patient for a season or two.
Also it's easy to get into comparing them with birds such as goshawks but then you would be overlooking the potential of the African Hawk, they are bird hunters and could be flown "slope soaring" at feather, i.e. pheasant or even grouse. I have seen a Bonelli's hunted this way and it is very dramatic !

[Berkut]

I dont think you're meant to buy hawks by the pound (LB). When you take into account the lengths someone has had to go to to import these things and the fact that they are so in-productive I think 5.5k is a gift.
I've talked to Bob Berry in the US who breeds Ornates and he says they are very slow to mature so maybe anyone thinking of taking any hawk eagle on would have to be patient for a season or two.
Also it's easy to get into comparing them with birds such as goshawks but then you would be overlooking the potential of the African Hawk, they are bird hunters and could be flown "slope soaring" at feather, i.e. pheasant or even grouse. I have seen a Bonelli's hunted this way and it is very dramatic !

Gary,
If you ever start breeding AHE'S I'll pop and see you. I'll take the 5.5k instead as my gift if that's ok. ;)

[Chicquera]

Gary,
If you ever start breeding AHE'S I'll pop and see you. I'll take the 5.5k instead as my gift if that's ok. ;)

A german falconer once told me that the word "gift"in his country meant "poison" so I'd be more than happy to let you have it my old buddy !! :lol:
Maybe you could use it to go on a falconry course, I'll have a word with Paul down at the Lakeland, see if he can fit you in !! :supz:

[MusketMad]

Gary,
If you ever start breeding AHE'S I'll pop and see you. I'll take the 5.5k instead as my gift if that's ok. ;)hi neil i have one sitting in my back garden in the avairy an 8 year old female ...i tried to get a male and was quoted a shitload more than 5k mate

[Berkut]

hi neil i have one sitting in my back garden in the avairy an 8 year old female ...i tried to get a male and was quoted a shitload more than 5k mate

Nigel,
I had heard the price had shot up this year.

[Berkut]

A german falconer once told me that the word "gift"in his country meant "poison" so I'd be more than happy to let you have it my old buddy !! :lol:
Maybe you could use it to go on a falconry course, I'll have a word with Paul down at the Lakeland, see if he can fit you in !! :supz:

No problem Gary.Let me know when he can fit me in and if you send the cash Special Delivery that would be just the job. :finga: :weedman:

[EagleMan6905]

Neil,
I flew a mountain or changable hawkeagle I do not recall which one. It was male and flew about the size a large female HH. Nice bird, was not at all interested in rabbits, loved to hunt squirrels and quail. Would follow me as far as I wanted to walk, I lived at the time in a very wooded area just right for him. As I moved through the under growth I would flush quail and he would come bombing out of the tall trees and more times than not snagg one. Then the fun started, because he would carry it a ways and land in the thick brush. This was before telemitry, in fact I bought this bird from a local pet store in California, way back when this kind of thing was OK. Anyway I would look and look and look and finnaly I'd spot him, just setting there holding his prize. He would find a tree squirrel nest and sit of hours just waiting and watching, nothing I could do short odf cutting down the tree would pull him off the nest. Than with any warning he would fly at the squirrel nest and stab a leg in and jerk out a young tree squirrel. He would then spend the night out because the nest where usally very high up and with baby squirrel in foot, simlpy fly to the nearest branch and feed up. I lost him for 5 months and got word he was near a friends house down in the creek, I managed to call him down flew him some more and than lost him for good. He had no chance of returning to his home land, but the area I lost him in was the next best thing. Joe

[Berkut]

Cheers Joe , I reckon things may have been different with this bird if I had him from scratch,and parent reared. As he was, he was unmanagable and the noisiest I have ever encountered.
Neil

[Sandeep]

I have never seen an AHE but have kept CHE and as far as their temperament goes.... They are very intelligent and get manned very very easily. We used to trap passage birds and fly them free within 24 days or so. Manning would only be for 4-5 Hrs a day minus weekends where it would be 24 Hrs job.. They are a bit slow on the wing than Bonellis. They take birds from quail upwards till peafowl. I had one that even took a male peafowl in full plumage... managed to free the peafowl as it was a pet and so was very close by.

A friend of mine lost his male Persian Cat to a female CHE. I have witnessed this spectacle. But I will still maintain that a Bonellis is a far superior hunter than a CHE. CHE are still hunters and just wait and watch till game passes by. Someone mentioned about an AHE being better than a Bonellis. I have manned and trained but not hunted with a Bonellis but have seen wild birds hunting quails, and crows. These are fairly common in India (south) and so its not difficult to spot one. These are even known to attack adult goats when driven by hunger. A female Bonellis will overpower a goat without any trouble. Local herdsmen fear this bird during the nesting season.

[Musket Spar]

As a youngster i was lucky enough to moniter a couple of breeding pairs in the wild as i lived in the Zambezi Valley.They would always be thermalling above my house in pairs,then suddenly they would stoop for something!It was always really spectacular!Only one falconer i know of in Zim flew his Afhawk off the glove in daylight and he always complained of it to being to slow!We would never dream of hunting pheasent or francolin with them as they were to quick,we would always leave that sort of quarry to the Balck Spars or bigger long wings,he also tried thermalling it and he also found this to be quite a hassle to!Most Zimbabwean falconers who had an Afhawk flew their Eagles at night off the back of Landrovers or pickups at Scrub hares and in a few cases if the Eagle was a musket,it would have toe bitten straight off,usually the back one!Which is a shame really as i think these Eagles have potential,but would never take on an imprint!!
The Eagle thats always made me inqusitive is the Ayres Hawk Eagle,now i think that would be the perfect hunting eagle!Anyone flown one of these.....?

[Chicquera]

As a youngster i was lucky enough to moniter a couple of breeding pairs in the wild as i lived in the Zambezi Valley.They would always be thermalling above my house in pairs,then suddenly they would stoop for something!It was always really spectacular!Only one falconer i know of in Zim flew his Afhawk off the glove in daylight and he always complained of it to being to slow!We would never dream of hunting pheasent or francolin with them as they were to quick,we would always leave that sort of quarry to the Balck Spars or bigger long wings,he also tried thermalling it and he also found this to be quite a hassle to!Most Zimbabwean falconers who had an Afhawk flew their Eagles at night off the back of Landrovers or pickups at Scrub hares and in a few cases if the Eagle was a musket,it would have toe bitten straight off,usually the back one!Which is a shame really as i think these Eagles have potential,but would never take on an imprint!!
The Eagle thats always made me inqusitive is the Ayres Hawk Eagle,now i think that would be the perfect hunting eagle!Anyone flown one of these.....?

The Ayres are like a scaled down version of the African Hawk but I doubt whether they'd have any benefits over a Goshawk as you'd be looking at rabbits and pheasants as potential quarry.
Here's a pic of one I saw at a bird dealers in West Africa !
Another interesting hawk eagle from that part of Africa is the Cassin's but they are even smaller than the Ayres !
Did you ever come across Tieta falcons when living in Zim' ?

[Musket Spar]

I have seen a few Taitas,not up close tho,as they were breeding a few miles down the Zambezi River from where i used to live,they were quite hard to tell the difference between our Peregrines and Taitas as i our Peregrines(Peregrinus Minor) are really small,the Tiercel Peregrine and Taita look very similar in size!The Peregrines seemed to have a noticable stiffer wing beat.

[Chicquera]

I have seen a few Taitas,not up close tho,as they were breeding a few miles down the Zambezi River from where i used to live,they were quite hard to tell the difference between our Peregrines and Taitas as i our Peregrines(Peregrinus Minor) are really small,the Tiercel Peregrine and Taita look very similar in size!The Peregrines seemed to have a noticable stiffer wing beat.

I'm told the Taita isn't that suitable for falconry as it has evolved to live in deep gorges and takes ages to go up in open country, that's why some of the guys in the US that have them are making hybrids from them !

[MusketMad]

Apparently they can also bend their legs in crazy angles to reach chicks in nests inside tree trunks.

£5k elastic birds, thats the way forward I tell you!!!! lol pmsl :lol:i think you will find the bird you are talking about is a gymnogene or african harrier hawk...they along with the african hawk eagle are proper aggro to train ...i actually have an african hawk eagle and have recently heard they are selling for around 8 to 10 k...ridiculous if you ask me

[Tim Laycock]

i think you will find the bird you are talking about is a gymnogene

Good man :yawinkle:

[Musket Spar]

Really i didnt know that about the Taita,that they were hybriding them in the states??I do know that they werent suitable for falconry,yes youre right,where they breed and hunt is very gorgy and they rely on that for their hunting,nice looking bird tho!
LOL,flying a Gymno...thats one strange but effecient BOP!!

[Mark Holder]

I have seen a few Taitas,not up close tho,as they were breeding a few miles down the Zambezi River from where i used to live,they were quite hard to tell the difference between our Peregrines and Taitas as i our Peregrines(Peregrinus Minor) are really small,the Tiercel Peregrine and Taita look very similar in size!The Peregrines seemed to have a noticable stiffer wing beat.

Big diffence in wingspan, taita's 70cm and peregrine minor 120cm, taita's nest close to me and a joy to watch.

As for the African hawk eagles i have seen them take rabbits back in the UK but it is an unusual flight where they go up after seeing a rabbit and then drop down on it, all pursuit, but a v type flight if you catch my drift.

Ayres Hawk eagles are bird catchers and catch birds often from the stoop, after thermaling.

Regards,

[Keith Barker]

I mean the going up poles and gettin food an that wrong sort of intelligence for me i want focused killing machine:supz:

hear! hear!

[HawkEagle]

One thing I must admit that non of the hawk eagles including african he will out fly a gos but what hawk eagle falconer can achive is to hunt prey that a gos cant handle.

[EagleMan]

The african hawk eagle is indeed a beautiful bird!
many clain that in the wild AHE catch larger prey than Bonelli's, despite his smaller frame, this could happen in hawking too?