My Eagle...

[Badra]

haloo...
everyone, i just got this 2 days ago...
but im kinda confuses, is it CHE dark Morph Or Black Eagle???
help me Please...

here the pic....

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8469/dscn2197kf2.jpg

[Tim Laycock]

Che 8-)

[Graham Irving]

Che 8-)


Would agree, looks like a CHE to me.

Graham

[HawkEagle]

male che

[Tim Laycock]

male che


I had thought this but stating would have been speculation beyond my knowledge :yawinkle:

[Badra]

for more pics....
http://www.duniasatwa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9875

what is the the different with Black Eagle????

[Java Falconer]

for more pics....
http://www.duniasatwa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9875

what is the the different with Black Eagle????

Hi BADra,

You can see that Indian Black Eagle has yellow cere and different wing shape ;)

[Badra]

Sorry Bro...
Im still newbie here...:supz:

[Java Falconer]

Sorry Bro...
Im still newbie here...:supz:

Yep, we're the same nubie. I'll tell you what I know and vice versa, we learn together :supz:

[Bellicosus]

CHE definitly. Yellow cere as mentioned and faint but visible white bars on the tail of the Indian Black are the differences. And the Indian Black is much darker. Have seen pure black CHEs in the wild.

[Java Falconer]

CHE definitly. Yellow cere as mentioned and faint but visible white bars on the tail of the Indian Black are the differences. And the Indian Black is much darker. Have seen pure black CHEs in the wild.

Agree... ;)

Besides, their wings and tail feathers are very long, making them almost Kite-like when standing.

[Badra]

CHE definitly. Yellow cere as mentioned and faint but visible white bars on the tail of the Indian Black are the differences. And the Indian Black is much darker. Have seen pure black CHEs in the wild.

oh i see now....
thanks mate for the information....:heart:

[Bellicosus]

:D
Just like what Java said, we share what we know mate. Have tons of info, field work and research in my head and hands but very little personal experience with raptors.

[Bellicosus]

And something interesting i would like to share; it seems that only the subspecies found in this region has the black morph. It also seems that this subspecies might be classified into its own species as its believed to have brnached off from the originial family way too long back!:supz:

[ArnoudH]

Guys, help me please: what's CHE? I'm that far that I understand that E is for Eagle.....

[Bellicosus]

CHE- Changeable Hawk- Eagle HE is pretty often used for Hawk- Eagles
:yawinkle:

[Mac]

Che 8-)

talking of which my uncle bought 4 changeable hawk eagles off a bloke in manchester in the mid 1960's all varied in appearence ie colour but some were also crested! they were all within a few ounces of 3lb in weight.

anyway due to a time waster and the fact that falconers were few and far between he was stuck with them. to cut a long story short he opted to train them, he found the crested versions next to useless, and "unreversable still hunters"
but he remarked that the darker versions seemed to be very good falconry birds, no use for feathered game but a rewarding bird for rabbits hares and i suppose the type of dross you could expect to fly a harris at!

all the best

sean

[Tanin]

Hi mac,

Is it possible that the one that is not good is still young? If I am not mistake, CHE even is different morph, but they are the same... some turn out to be dark morph and some turn out to be lighter morph...

[Mac]

correct tannin and entirely possible!

an individuals experiences in the wild state often determined wether or not they would make an suitable candidate for falconry, these birds were passagers and haggards, and experienced old hands, some of whom would be well versed in labour efficient still hunting tactics. and who often posessed a predilection for certain sized quarry. that said, still hunting is the 'modus operandi' of many hawk eagles, and possibly the reason they were considered to be an abstruse addition to a mews.



in regards to my uncles experiences the "control" was far to small to form the basis of a considered comparative analysis, his evaluations of a "types" capabilities though interesting could not be considered to be more than his own opinions. due to the sheer amont of variables to contend with!



in any case i would love to try a changeable, but then again im a stinker for nostalgia!


all the best


sean

[Java Falconer]

Both morph is available here, but it is true that black morph is the most common one. That's why some people here were confused between Indian Black Eagle and CHE dark morph. I was one of them, before... :lol:

The crested CHE is not available here, I guess it is only available in some Asian regions only.

I guess, all CHE (regardless of their morph) can be a good falconry bird. The key is only how we train it. Some said that CHEs are good for hunting rabbit and other land quarry.

[Mac]

Both morph is available here, but it is true that black morph is the most common one. That's why some people here were confused between Indian Black Eagle and CHE dark morph. I was one of them, before... :lol:

The crested CHE is not available here, I guess it is only available in some Asian regions only.

I guess, all CHE (regardless of their morph) can be a good falconry bird. The key is only how we train it. Some said that CHEs are good for hunting rabbit and other land quarry.

i would be inclined to agree! the falconers who had these birds tackled them the same way they approached a goshawk and in due course possibly unfair comparisons were undoubtably made!

sean

[Bellicosus]

I would have to agree with both of u guys. Have trained 02 CHEs before. The 1st was a wild one. Was next to hopeless; only went after quarry if it was in the mood, regardless of its weight. A while after that, i came upon a hand- raised one. AS good as a Harris' Hawk! But very aggresive and has the grip of a bird 4 to 5 times its size. Could be a nightmare at times when picking her up.

A friend of mine has a very dark morphed CHE, but he argues it's an IBE. Will try to get a pic of it and post it here.

[HawkEagle]

I have trained many che and I can tell you that you have not stick with the bird long enough to see it's actual potential. Che is highly timid during initual training so when the bird is cast up the tree it will not come down easily and that's not still hunting, she is just too afraid to come down. If it's still hunting the bird will not ignore a lure but they do. Che is highly bouyant in flight and absolutly deadly in the right hand.

[Java Falconer]

I would have to agree with both of u guys. Have trained 02 CHEs before. The 1st was a wild one. Was next to hopeless; only went after quarry if it was in the mood, regardless of its weight. A while after that, i came upon a hand- raised one. AS good as a Harris' Hawk! But very aggresive and has the grip of a bird 4 to 5 times its size. Could be a nightmare at times when picking her up.

A friend of mine has a very dark morphed CHE, but he argues it's an IBE. Will try to get a pic of it and post it here.

I'm waiting for the pics then :yawinkle:

[Java Falconer]

I have trained many che and I can tell you that you have not stick with the bird long enough to see it's actual potential. Che is highly timid during initual training so when the bird is cast up the tree it will not come down easily and that's not still hunting, she is just too afraid to come down. If it's still hunting the bird will not ignore a lure but they do. Che is highly bouyant in flight and absolutly deadly in the right hand.

I'm sure with what you said HE!

You are the eagle master!

[Bellicosus]

Have seen CHEs hunting only in the wild twice. And both were whilst in flight! Once was at Cape Richardo in M'sia, during the annual migration of CHB. My friends and i thought the CHE was one of the many CHB until it had its talons out and went straight for a CHB, all this with both birds circling in a thermal of about 60 CHBs!

The second time was a strip of jungle near my home somewhere last month. A circling CHE spotted something and made a very sharp turn and a very speedy dive; talons out and tail pulled back out! Was amazing to watch. After about 30mins or so of running around, we saw it up in a tree, with a white bird- looked like a cattle egret.

[Java Falconer]

Have seen CHEs hunting only in the wild twice. And both were whilst in flight! Once was at Cape Richardo in M'sia, during the annual migration of CHB. My friends and i thought the CHE was one of the many CHB until it had its talons out and went straight for a CHB, all this with both birds circling in a thermal of about 60 CHBs!

The second time was a strip of jungle near my home somewhere last month. A circling CHE spotted something and made a very sharp turn and a very speedy dive; talons out and tail pulled back out! Was amazing to watch. After about 30mins or so of running around, we saw it up in a tree, with a white bird- looked like a cattle egret.

This must be amazing! Sadly, I can't have it myself.

[Bellicosus]

Yes Java! I will never be able to forget these sights!

[CopperBarn]

The centre I have recently left has one. She is pure black with a crest. Beauitful bird, lovely big footspan.

Has the most lovely temperament.

Anna x

[Badra]

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/2710/che26tb0.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/757/che21yq0.jpg

this update of my eagle...

[Badra]

my Eagle wont fly to fist???
why???

anyone know?

[Tim Laycock]

Probably does not want to.

Just a guess.

[TeddyK]

male che

Whooahhh.... How do you know the CHE's sex only by looking the pic? Is there any differences between the male and female from the appearance?

[HawkEagle]

Male Che has long skinny legs and very tall looking also the size difference.

[TeddyK]

Oh IC.. good info.. thx 4 it...:grin:

[Badra]

what should i do to make my eagle want fly to fist???

[Badra]

Male Che has long skinny legs and very tall looking also the size difference.

what about the female???

[HawkEagle]

This is my f che.

[Badra]

HawkEagle, your CHE is different from mine, right???

oh the female body is so solid or big, am i right???

is it any tips for me about fly to fist....
cuz my eagle dont want to do that...:confused:

[MusketMad]

The centre I have recently left has one. She is pure black with a crest. Beauitful bird, lovely big footspan.

Has the most lovely temperament.

Anna xdid you work at banham???

[NGuruve]

lower its weight until he will fly to the fist probably no hungry enough to bother

[Badra]

lower its weight until he will fly to the fist probably no hungry enough to bother

so i have to make her hungry first???

[FlameHairedFalconer]

so i have to make her hungry first???

No, you need to practice weight control. This means that you need to weigh your bird at approximately the same time every day and compare how she/he performs based on that weight and how much you feed it. Its not about making it hungry, but its performance based on appetite.

FHF

[NGuruve]

he wont think its worth making a effort to jump all the way to your fist is he hasent got a appetite

so lower his weight slowly over a week or soo and keep trying to get him to just jump to the fist the lower the weight some more until he is flying to you once you have acceived this then hunting and flying free can happen

be carfl not to lower its weight to fast or too much just weight the bird every day and try to take of a few onces at a time

[Badra]

my eagle sometimes want to jump to my fist ....
but only on feeding time...
and he wont fly to fist until now...

[JuliaK]

weight him every day,that's the best control!and you can have a tuch on his bone on the breast,but it's not the best way to test what's his condition,but you can feel if he is too thin or too fat.but weight him and weight him and you can try to give him only little pices on the fist when he's jumping to your fist,let him jump and sat him back,and go on.
let him jump often and give him the little pices but he has to has his full food at the end.

sorry my english is not the best...

[CoyoteOutlaw]

Is there anyone around you that flies any birds of prey?????? It would be a good idea to talk to some people in person about weight control and training...

[MusketMad]

haloo...
everyone, i just got this 2 days ago...
but im kinda confuses, is it CHE dark Morph Or Black Eagle???
help me Please...

here the pic....

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8469/dscn2197kf2.jpgexcuse me for asking but why would you get a bird without knowing what it is???...ive noticed that you also are confused on how to train it ....dont you think you should have got a bit more info on eagles before getting it ....if im wrong please enlighten me

[HawkEagle]

excuse me for asking but why would you get a bird without knowing what it is???...ive noticed that you also are confused on how to train it ....dont you think you should have got a bit more info on eagles before getting it ....if im wrong please enlighten me
Well, the situation is different around here. There are no knowledgable people to guide you through. Looking back at myself 15 yrs ago wondering what would be my next new pet and eagle came up into my mind. I did get one and didnt know how to take care of one. I thought if I keep feeding the bird daily it will be tame like a dog but it wasnt. However the situation changed when I went to brittain and my school mate flew a harris. I went out with the guy in the morning hunting. From then on everything started coming together. Still my advice is dont treat your bird as a cool toy, it's too a living creature.

[MusketMad]

what im saying my friend is why get the bird without even knowing what it is????? and as for not having a clue how to train it makes no sense....if it is the case that there are no knowledgeable people around ...dont get one ....find out about the bird first ..that is the most important rule. GET HELP BEFORE NOT AFTER....i

[MusketMad]

i also hate the term PET eagle:confused:

[HawkEagle]

what im saying my friend is why get the bird without even knowing what it is????? and as for not having a clue how to train it makes no sense....if it is the case that there are no knowledgeable people around ...dont get one ....find out about the bird first ..that is the most important rule. GET HELP BEFORE NOT AFTER....i

I totally agree with you m8. I myself went to your place a few times (eagle heights) I must say it's brillant. I went to many centers but eagle height was the only place that could get the eagle to soar.:supz:

[MusketMad]

I totally agree with you m8. I myself went to your place a few times (eagle heights) I must say it's brillant. I went to many centers but eagle height was the only place that could get the eagle to soar.:supz:it took a long time to get theose eagles to soar like that ...did you see the baldies parachute in from about 3000ft ...****ing breathtaking....its ideal for them with the valley there...i didnt want to seem biast but of all the places in uk ive been ive never seen eagles fly so well....thing is when we were training them we just used to put tracking on them and leave them out all day ...i miss flying the eagles ..it was the best part of the job

[HawkEagle]

it took a long time to get theose eagles to soar like that ...did you see the baldies parachute in from about 3000ft ...****ing breathtaking....its ideal for them with the valley there...i didnt want to seem biast but of all the places in uk ive been ive never seen eagles fly so well....thing is when we were training them we just used to put tracking on them and leave them out all day ...i miss flying the eagles ..it was the best part of the job

The secret has now revealed:lol: I always wondered how you could get your eagle so fit to climb that altitude. First time I went there was over 10yrs ago. I remembered it was atlanta that did the soaring amazing indeed. You the eagle to soar so high while the other centers just flying them from post to post. The last time I went was about 6yrs ago and there was a male matial eagle in imature plumage very beautiful.

[MusketMad]

The secret has now revealed:lol: I always wondered how you could get your eagle so fit to climb that altitude. First time I went there was over 10yrs ago. I remembered it was atlanta that did the soaring amazing indeed. You the eagle to soar so high while the other centers just flying them from post to post. The last time I went was about 6yrs ago and there was a male matial eagle in imature plumage very beautiful.
that was alaska she is 16 now but there is another bald eagle CHILE he soars well ..people dont believe it until they see it ...ive seen both theose eagles disappear into the clouds and stoop in on command its amazing to watch and you never get tired of seeing it....the martial i flew every day and was a stunning bird ....very well natured unlike the two in the avairy...one of which nearly crippled me for life :lol: there is also Annie the african fish eagle and noble a male tawny that is phenomenal in the stoop....whilei was there me and another guy chris got the two nwhite tailed sea eagles flying in a cast and the female skye is now beginning to soar......the shows used to be absolutly fantastic there ....it was a pleasure to fly theose birds ...the cast of lanners i used to fly wernt bad either ...two sisters they were

[MusketMad]

this is zulu now

[Badra]

okay....
i'm sorry if wrong ask this to you!!!

bye...