Falconiformes

[GSPDad]

Anybody ever used Falconiformes in Holland to buy a bird?
Was it a smooth transaction? Looking for any feedback on them.
George.

[Misty]

I was in contact with their british agents charlotte & john hill last year as I was looking to buy several expensive birds. I had promise after promise of various birds which never materialised. they never rang me when promised, I constantly rang and left messages and also emailed, all with no reply. Finally I was told all the birds I wanted were not going to be available. I wasted 2 months of valuable time. The prices were also silly. They quoted £800 for an eagle owl:roll:

[Taffy1]

Bought Some Grub Of Them The Quail Were Dry When Defrosted

[PitBullOne]

all will become clear in the near future

[GSPDad]

all will become clear in the near future

intriguing:confused:

[CopperBarn]

I was in contact with their british agents charlotte & john hill last year as I was looking to buy several expensive birds. I had promise after promise of various birds which never materialised. they never rang me when promised, I constantly rang and left messages and also emailed, all with no reply. Finally I was told all the birds I wanted were not going to be available. I wasted 2 months of valuable time. The prices were also silly. They quoted £800 for an eagle owl:roll:

A similar thing happened to a friend of mine.

he bought a huge variety of birds from falcons to owls and although there were no problems with them happily taking the payments he only managed to recieve half the birds he paid for. as i understand he is still trying to sort out the refund of the missing birds.

I visited there open event in holland last year and was disappointed with the turn out. after advertising they had a pair of stellars on display i was gutted to turn up to find that the birds were not available to view due to a problem with not having the correct paperwork for public display. :-(

although i am sure there are many people who have been impressed with their services, there are an equal amount who have been disappointed with them. I am afraid to say I am the latter.

This is not slander in any way, simply my honest opinions and experiences

Anna x xx

[Tim Laycock]

They quoted £800 for an eagle owl:roll:

To be fair it was probably a top of the line model :rolleyes:

[CopperBarn]

To be fair it was probably a top of the line model :rolleyes:

with a built in microwave and dishwasher

[Misty]

I have had pm's from several people who have paid deposits on birds and waited months only to be disappointed and not recive the birds.
From something they said during one conversation I got the impression they take the order then try to locate the birds:roll: not really satisfactory if that is the case.
I have been trying to locate some crow falcons for 2 months now, it's not always easy to find what you are looking for. ( I haven't gone to falconiformes for them - wonder why? :lol: )

[Matthew Patching]

I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole, but then I wouldnt touch alot of people with a barge pole, they just happen to be one of them. lol.

Anyone that turns up to a public display with birds that arnt ready isnt worth dealing with in my humble opinion!

[GaryPCO]

To be fair it was probably a top of the line model :rolleyes:


no just a normal one tim but in all fairness it did come with a square bow perch!!!:D

[Tim Laycock]

no just a normal one tim but in all fairness it did come with a square bow perch!!!
Dont get me started on the perches that those fools were selling, would be funny if it wasnt so bad!

I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole, but then I wouldnt touch alot of people with a barge pole, they just happen to be one of them. lol.

Anyone that turns up to a public display with birds that arnt ready isnt worth dealing with in my humble opinion!

Any outfit that throws food to its birds while at weather (Right in front of three ripped down imprint golden eagles and three bareheaded imprint falcons that are also hungry) should have their sanity and ethics questioned :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Misty]

seems like you know them quite well. Was this at one of their displays? I was told that charlotte is one of the best display falconers around and is very in demand (mind, it was her father who told me that)

[GSPDad]

Thanks for all the info folks, Looks like their up to their usual and not answering e-mails, phone calls or faxes!:evil:

[Martin Whitley]

I have been trying to locate some crow falcons for 2 months now, it's not always easy to find what you are looking for. ( I haven't gone to falconiformes for them - wonder why? :lol: )
If you've been looking for a crow falcon for 2 months would it not have been quicker to buy a Falcon this year and make it yourself? By now I'm sure a falconer of your experience would have one hunting successfully, Much better than relying on a second hand one.

[Misty]

If you've been looking for a crow falcon for 2 months would it not have been quicker to buy a Falcon this year and make it yourself? By now I'm sure a falconer of your experience would have one hunting successfully, Much better than relying on a second hand one.

The ad was placed before young were available. I have obviously already gone that route with 3 but would still take on an experienced one if it came along so have left the ad running. I was only highlighting the serious flaw in the workings of falconiformes as they seem to get an order then try to find the bird

[Sparrow Hawker]

I was only highlighting the serious flaw in the workings of falconiformes as they seem to get an order then try to find the bird

I can't see how that is a serious flaw IMO, You order a bird they find the bird, how else would it work?

SH

[Rapt0r]

I can't see how that is a serious flaw IMO, You order a bird they find the bird, how else would it work?

SH

If they know of a breeder that can supply the bird you want then its not a problem....but if they say they will have one for you and aren't even sure they can find one then thats not on.

[Sparrow Hawker]

If they know of a breeder that can supply the bird you want then its not a problem....but if they say they will have one for you and aren't even sure they can find one then thats not on.

Agree that's a little different I was going on the comment that was made by misty!

SH

[Barry]

I ordered a hooded vulture from them, parent reared. Deposit sent no problem. Information on the birds progress was sketchy (I paid the deposit when the bird was still an agg) and when I did hear I was told the bird had been rejected by its parents and was being hand reared.. Hatch date info was also sketchy and then we got a come and get the bird now call. John was very helpfull arranging part way delivery etc and the bird made it to us.

The next day it was clear the bird has a development injury. One drooped wing, plus sagging primaries and a slightly turned out foot. I passed this information on but was only told it must have been in transit and money was requested I paid the full balance. The bird is happy and healthy but still shows some sort of twist in its posture. No offer of assistance with any vets fees, no offer of reduction in the price of the bird and no follow up to ask of its progress or welbeing.

I'm not having a bit moan at them, it's just disappointing that it is clearly a cash prioroty operation. Fact is I badly needed a hooded vulture and they got me one.

Had this been a bird from Falcon Mews who I have taken birds from before, any problem is corrected and follwed up, no money questions and great support. This was a very different experience.

Also the birds from Falconiformes are bloody expensive!

Barry.

[Misty]

Agree that's a little different I was going on the comment that was made by misty!

SH the comment I made meant exactly that. they don't have a known supply. They seem to take your order and deposit then search around for the birds they need.

[Misty]

I ordered a hooded vulture from them, parent reared. Deposit sent no problem. Information on the birds progress was sketchy (I paid the deposit when the bird was still an agg) and when I did hear I was told the bird had been rejected by its parents and was being hand reared.. Hatch date info was also sketchy and then we got a come and get the bird now call. John was very helpfull arranging part way delivery etc and the bird made it to us.

The next day it was clear the bird has a development injury. One drooped wing, plus sagging primaries and a slightly turned out foot. I passed this information on but was only told it must have been in transit and money was requested I paid the full balance. The bird is happy and healthy but still shows some sort of twist in its posture. No offer of assistance with any vets fees, no offer of reduction in the price of the bird and no follow up to ask of its progress or welbeing.
Also the birds from Falconiformes are bloody expensive!
Barry.

I'm really sorry that your bird has problems and while I can appreciate he may have damaged his wing in transit I can't see how he would have a turned out foot resulting from a journey:confused: Did you get a vet's opinion at all? I think it is very poor that they didn't offer to reduce the price or at the very least, shown some concern. I don't think I would have paid the balance until I knew the score on that.

[Alty10]

Just out of interest are the UK falconiformes the same people as the holland falconiformes??

Chris

[Misty]

Just out of interest are the UK falconiformes the same people as the holland falconiformes??

Chris

this came up on a thread recently but I can't remember it for the life of me:oops: There are 2 falconiformes. The one we are talking about is based in holland and has english angents, charlotte and john hill. The other falconiformes is based in england and I don't know anything detremental about them.
I'm certain someone will enlighten us as to the difference.

[MickeyDredd]

The one based in England is run by a chap called Craig I think, I got my first MHH from him which was a cracker.

He used to breed a fair few birds but havent heard much about him recently.

[Alty10]

My mate has just bought a senoran female off him.. however he thinks he has ended up with a male. I was just curious as to whether the two falconiformes formes were the same as he his looking to get the difference in money between a male and a female back as I think he paid about £150 extra for a female!!!


Chris

[GoodFooter]

My mate has just bought a senoran female off him.. however he thinks he has ended up with a male. I was just curious as to whether the two falconiformes formes were the same as he his looking to get the difference in money between a male and a female back as I think he paid about £150 extra for a female!!!


Chris

As far as i know they are different..... the harrises bred by falconiformes in the UK ( I think they are based near daventry) are supposed to be large beasts! and i think most have been!!! if i remember the thread on here correctly.

[Onyx25]

They are totally different. Falconiformes uk is craig thomas.

[MickeyDredd]

The ones I know of werent huge but were a good size, mine used to hunt around the 1lb 10 mark from memory. Dont know if they were actually "Sonoran" but he is a lovely dark hawk and was a fantastic hunter, now in a breeding project.

[GoodFooter]

The ones I know of werent huge but were a good size, mine used to hunt around the 1lb 10 mark from memory. Dont know if they were actually "Sonoran" but he is a lovely dark hawk and was a fantastic hunter, now in a breeding project.

to me a 1lb 10oz male is huge assuming thats his hunting weight!!!! I havent seen any larger males than that by much but heaps smaller. My first male was 1lb 8oz at his true ( take anything on hunting weight) though I could fly him up to 1lb 10oz.... Tonic my last male hand me down was 1lb 7 at his avairy weight and hunted well at 1lb 4oz.
What Hunting weight would you call huge for a mHH?

[MickeyDredd]

to me a 1lb 10oz male is huge assuming thats his hunting weight!!!! I havent seen any larger males than that by much but heaps smaller. My first male was 1lb 8oz at his true ( take anything on hunting weight) though I could fly him up to 1lb 10oz.... Tonic my last male hand me down was 1lb 7 at his avairy weight and hunted well at 1lb 4oz.
What Hunting weight would you call huge for a mHH?

One of the offspring of the male I got from Craig hunts at 1lb 14oz....thats pretty huge! :lol: :lol: The mother flew at 2lb 12ish so i think the youngster inherited his size from her.

i just think 1lb 10 is big, the one I exported to Viktor last year also hunted at that weight so it doesnt seem huge to me personally....maybe its just me, I'm 6foot 3ins and dont think i'm huge either! ;)

[GoodFooter]

One of the offspring of the male I got from Craig hunts at 1lb 14oz....thats pretty huge! The mother flew at 2lb 12ish so i think the youngster inherited his size from her.

i just think 1lb 10 is big, the one I exported to Viktor last year also hunted at that weight so it doesnt seem huge to me personally....maybe its just me, I'm 6foot 3ins and dont think i'm huge either! ;)

You are:roll::lol: :lol:

[Alan G]

George, have you asked Garry if there is anyone he knows that can help you out?

The bloke we got the Steppe off of has a good few contacts & has sourced quite a few birds for the centre & he is friendly with someone from main land europe.

Just a thought. :yawinkle:

ATB

[Matthew Patching]

I was told that charlotte is one of the best display falconers around and is very in demand (mind, it was her father who told me that)

I was told that bernard matthews made good turkey fillets, but we all know that aint true now dont we!:lol: :lol:

[GSPDad]

George, have you asked Garry if there is anyone he knows that can help you out?

The bloke we got the Steppe off of has a good few contacts & has sourced quite a few birds for the centre & he is friendly with someone from main land europe.

Just a thought. :yawinkle:

ATB

Yeah spoke to Garry the other week and he said he would ask around!
Cheers.George.

[CopperBarn]

seems like you know them quite well. Was this at one of their displays? I was told that charlotte is one of the best display falconers around and is very in demand (mind, it was her father who told me that)

i wouldnt say she was the best from what i have seen.

[Tim Laycock]

I was told that bernard matthews made good turkey fillets, but we all know that aint true now dont we!:lol: :lol:
Top drawer :supz:

[Eaglet]

Hello, just to let you know

I have bought 3 eagles from Falconiformes and have had no problems; both John and Charlotte have always returned my calls or emails and have been very helpful, I have also had excellent after care.

Just my own personal experience.

[Misty]

Hello, just to let you know

I have bought 3 eagles from Falconiformes and have had no problems; both John and Charlotte have always returned my calls or emails and have been very helpful, I have also had excellent after care.

Just my own personal experience.

what did you buy eaglet?

[GSPDad]

Hello, just to let you know

I have bought 3 eagles from Falconiformes and have had no problems; both John and Charlotte have always returned my calls or emails and have been very helpful, I have also had excellent after care.

Just my own personal experience.

Thanks Eaglet,
Just when I had about given up with Holland, Charlotte phoned me and hopefully we're just waiting on the paperwork now!!!!:-P

[HawkMan69UK]

bought a burrowing owl supposed to imprinted in holland ..due to a delay i was 2 days late in picking it up ..this thing that greated me when i open it up was defenatly not imprinted ....i dident get back to them...not my thing but i only get ****ed over once ...i

[Eaglet]

Hi Misty

A Tiercel Goldie/Steppes Eagle, Female Steppes Eagle and Tiercel Bald Eagle.

[Misty]

Hi Misty

A Tiercel Goldie/Steppes Eagle, Female Steppes Eagle and Tiercel Bald Eagle.

You certainly got your hands full with that lot:rolleyes: Hope you've got plenty of help.

[Eaglet]

Yes, I am very fortunate to have a close network of fellow nutters :-P

[Tim Laycock]

Hi Misty

A Tiercel Goldie/Steppes Eagle, Female Steppes Eagle and Tiercel Bald Eagle.
You bought males not tiercels.
Sorry for the pedantic nature of this post.

[TLDWB]

You bought males not tiercels.
Sorry for the pedantic nature of this post.

Do have to agree here, can't stand the misuse of the word tiercel. For example tiercel Harris, no such thing in falconry.

Tom

[Tim Laycock]

For example tiercel Harris, no such thing in falconry.


Exactly

[Eaglet]

Sorry, a number of books i have read have referred to the male eagle as Tiercel, but thanks for putting me right. :oops:

[Matthew Patching]

You bought males not tiercels.
Sorry for the pedantic nature of this post.

:supz: :supz: :supz: :supz:

[Eaglet]

The last Wolf Hawker - The Eagle Falconry of Friedrich Remmler, unless I am mistaken, refers to the male eagle as a Tiercel.

Ironically, I had always referred to them as males but thought I had best use the correct terminology for the forum. That bit me in the bum. :oops:

[Tim Laycock]

Nevermind, top attitude m8 :supz: 8-)

[GSPDad]

Finally got my eagle from Falconiformes, and he is stunning! The whole transaction has taken from June to October to complete with a bit of communication problems. Despite the bird being a cracker, I wont rush to use them again

George