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Finnish
26-08-2007, 07:42 AM
Here are a few pic's of Gary C aka (Natch) new Golden Eagale. We went there yesterday to pick up Rooney. He came out the aviary at just over 8ib. It really felt heavy on the glove. So here go's and good luck with the new bird Gary.




Finnish
26-08-2007, 07:44 AM
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Finnish
26-08-2007, 07:46 AM
Rooney on the glove.

Finnish
26-08-2007, 07:49 AM
Here are a couple of pic's of Rooney's sister. She is an imprint just wondering around the garden. And checking up on the Steppes to make sure there behaving :) .

Gram
26-08-2007, 07:56 AM
Stunning Lee,hes very lucky,hope Rooney is happy in his new home.

Kirowan
26-08-2007, 08:10 AM
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just love goldies there so big and powerful ill have one,one day thats for sure

Austringer84
26-08-2007, 09:10 AM
lovely goldies. thanks for sharing those with us.. hope you have an awsopme season

SparsTheOne
26-08-2007, 09:33 AM
nice one gary,i hope i get to fly him fly in the season sometime m8.
all the best ,have fun.:supz:



jase.

HawkEagle
26-08-2007, 09:35 AM
Stunning goldie m8. Let us know his progress.

Hacker
26-08-2007, 09:53 AM
Gary,
He looks good, best wishes for an excellent season.

LanczSpringer
26-08-2007, 11:59 AM
Wow stunning bird!

Just keep an eye on them delicate feet! I've heard Rooneys only take a slight knock and thier foot gets fractured! :supz:

Yorkshire Hawker
26-08-2007, 02:08 PM
Very nice eagle,please keep us updated on your training of the bird. Hope all goes well for you. Cheers YH

Gary F
26-08-2007, 07:54 PM
nice looking eagle,, keep us updated??

Pearl
26-08-2007, 07:58 PM
stunning mate i wish you best of of luck for the coming season pal , my eyes are green with envy lol :supz:

TimDog80
26-08-2007, 08:18 PM
very nice:D
how do you intend on flying him?? from waiting on or off the fist and at what??

regards
tim

TLDWB
26-08-2007, 08:20 PM
Good luck with him.

Tom

WingedReaper
26-08-2007, 09:46 PM
bloody hell the mafia are getting big birds now hope you all the best my land is your land if you get kicked out of bristol

Joey
26-08-2007, 09:52 PM
nice bird mate shame about the name tho



joey

Salty
26-08-2007, 10:11 PM
awesome them guys ,totally mint im so jel ,good luck all involved ,and all i can say is CLASS:supz: :supz:

Natch
26-08-2007, 10:26 PM
thanks 4 the pm in 1 ear and out the other,,,,thanks 4 the offer and i will not hesistate 2 ring u,,,,, natch8-)

Berkut
26-08-2007, 10:29 PM
thanks 4 the pm in 1 ear and out the other,,,,thanks 4 the offer and i will not hesistate 2 ring u,,,,, natch8-)

Ok Gary.All the best.

Natch
27-08-2007, 09:23 PM
rooney fed off the fist tonight and is looking good8-)

Haskins
27-08-2007, 09:36 PM
nice one gaz what a stunner. hope all gose well

Natch
27-08-2007, 09:47 PM
cheers jase ,,,,,,,,,sounds like goss is comeing on fine8-)

Lgthawk
28-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Best wishes also. I do worry about that thin glove you have.

RedNoseK9
28-08-2007, 04:02 PM
Sounds like he is doing well gar nice one mate

Wez

Haskins
30-08-2007, 10:19 AM
hows the progress coming with him gary, and wants his temperment like.

Natch
30-08-2007, 09:50 PM
hows the progress coming with him gary, and wants his temperment like. thanks for the interest haskins (keepping it a bit low profile dont want to tempt fate but things are looking very good doning an hour in the morning 6.30 to 7.30 before i leave for work in the middle o f building an extension at home doing an hour on th e eve just before putting rooney to bed eating me out of house and home but feeding very well of the glove in fornt of two dogs 8-)

arthur_pewty
31-08-2007, 02:20 AM
Stunning looking bird!

You will have to excuse my ignorance here - but could you explain your training/hunting methods for me? You say you are doing an hour in the morning and one in the evening with Rooney. I was under the impression that eagles required huge amounts of time put into their training/hunting.

I have read posts here criticising people flying Harris hawks who have to work and can only spend limited time with their birds - let alone an eagle!!

Is it possible to train and hunt an eagle when you have a normal 9-5 job? Again - excuse my ignorance regarding eagles!:oops:

Thanks!

TiercelJim
31-08-2007, 12:07 PM
hi,nice goldie whats your plans for it?
atb,jim

HawkMan69UK
31-08-2007, 10:40 PM
Stunning looking bird!

You will have to excuse my ignorance here - but could you explain your training/hunting methods for me? You say you are doing an hour in the morning and one in the evening with Rooney. I was under the impression that eagles required huge amounts of time put into their training/hunting.

I have read posts here criticising people flying Harris hawks who have to work and can only spend limited time with their birds - let alone an eagle!!

Is it possible to train and hunt an eagle when you have a normal 9-5 job? Again - excuse my ignorance regarding eagles!:oops:

Thanks!
just in case gary missed this post ...he dosent have a 9 to 5 job he runs his own buisness the extension is in his garden..so i no dought he see it from 9 to 5 and visa versa ..in my very very limeted experience with eagles you dont need to spend hours with them as long as they have 360 field of vision and your in or around it ... manning can last from a 30 minute sit on your glove or a 3 hour coffe break sat next to you on a bow ...its the bond and relatinship that will build in the coming months thats important.....as for hunting and flying free ..another chapter :cool: :D

Andrew Connor
31-08-2007, 11:19 PM
May I Ask How Many Chicks A Golden Eagle Will Eat A Day?

Berkut
31-08-2007, 11:22 PM
May I Ask How Many Chicks A Golden Eagle Will Eat A Day?

Matty,
When my male is at his fittest and flying hard 8-10 keeps him doing or a hares head per day.During the moult I feed every 2nd day and vary the diet but if it is chicks 12 - 16 per feed.
Neil.

Natch
02-09-2007, 09:35 PM
just a little update for those of you who are interested rooney is progressing in one week so quickly i am a little worried that it going to turn aroun d that it is going to bite me on the ass he has been feeding from the glove all week with no fear no aggression towards me he is not in any way intiminated by the dog today i walked him around for 3 hours taking a rest every now and again on the round straw bails to rest my arm julian flew the sister and i was over the moon with rooney he actually jumped to the fist four foot with no hesitation and his weight is still just under 8lb

8-)

Finnish
11-09-2007, 09:25 PM
Rooney came with us tonight he done very well. Will get some pic's tomorrow of him training.

Natch
11-09-2007, 10:17 PM
rooney comeing like a flash 10 feet on a line8-)

CoyoteOutlaw
12-09-2007, 12:11 AM
Sounds great! Hoppe to see those pics soon, good luck with him, sounds like you're on the right track!

Big JoeJoe
12-09-2007, 12:14 AM
Good to hear his progress Gary, :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz:

Cheers Joe

RedNoseK9
12-09-2007, 11:00 AM
Progress is good now gar he will be going soon enough now

Wez

Natch
12-09-2007, 11:59 PM
thanks 4 all the comments ,,,,,,,will try and get lee to take some pics it.s 2 good 2 b true:o

Natch
13-09-2007, 07:54 PM
Progress is good now gar he will be going soon enough now

Wezdid u no your female is parent reaed 8-)

Finnish
13-09-2007, 08:13 PM
Rooney was proper tonight like a Goshawk of the glove will get some pic's tomorrow. Keep up the good work Gary.......:supz:

Jamaicensis
13-09-2007, 08:51 PM
Wow stunning bird!

Just keep an eye on them delicate feet! I've heard Rooneys only take a slight knock and thier foot gets fractured! :supz:

LOOOOOOOOL:D :D :D

RedNoseK9
13-09-2007, 09:27 PM
did u no your female is parent reaed 8-)


I saw pete young who bought her from george at the festival and he told me he got her at 10 weeks apparently her tail was about 3inches down so thats all the info he gave me

wez

Natch
13-09-2007, 09:32 PM
I saw pete smith who bought her from george at the festival and he told me he got her at 10 weeks apparently her tail was about 3inches down so thats all the info he gave me

wezgeorge must have is lines crossed :oops: he told me and lee she was p/r

Haskins
14-09-2007, 11:55 AM
rooney is coming along well now gary will bring my camra next time.

Natch
14-09-2007, 10:17 PM
rooney is coming along well now gary will bring my camra next time.looks like it is me and u mate this weekend lee off with is new mates8-) :finga:

Martin23
14-09-2007, 10:40 PM
Stunning bird mate:supz: glad to hear hees coming on well. cnt wait to see some more pics

Natch
16-09-2007, 09:57 PM
Stunning bird mate:supz: glad to hear hees coming on well. cnt wait to see some more picstracking lee,s crow hawk all night8-)

Finnish
16-09-2007, 10:01 PM
YA YA we will get some pic's tomorrow mate promise...:) Rooney done very well tonight ..............:supz:

Finnish
16-09-2007, 10:42 PM
tracking lee,s crow hawk all night8-)

I'll do A SWOP WITH YOU MATE.............:heart: :roll:

Natch
16-09-2007, 10:47 PM
I'll do A SWOP WITH YOU MATE.............:heart: :roll:4 what8-)

Finnish
20-09-2007, 07:09 AM
Rooney is doing very well now he will be free on the weekend. Fairplay Gary he has come on so well. I have put the battery on charge for the camera tonight mate.....:)

Finnish
20-09-2007, 05:04 PM
See you at 6.00 Gary camera ready.

Mac
20-09-2007, 05:29 PM
Matty,
When my male is at his fittest and flying hard 8-10 keeps him doing or a hares head per day.During the moult I feed every 2nd day and vary the diet but if it is chicks 12 - 16 per feed.
Neil.

neil my musket eats a single chick minus the legs... he also takes about 45 mins to eat a day old!!!!

p.s i have dispensed with the eagle glove and the fencing mask i was using with him.:D :lol: :roll:

Saqar
20-09-2007, 05:43 PM
The bird looks amazing, my heart started beating harder just looking at those talons and beak that close to your head :eek:.

Takes some Kahoonas to deal with an eagle. hats off to you.

Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:45 AM
Pic's Rooney is doing well very well.

Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:50 AM
Rooney.............

Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:52 AM
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Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:54 AM
Rooney..............

Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:55 AM
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Finnish
22-09-2007, 12:58 AM
Last few any more tips off anyone Gary????

Slippery Teal
22-09-2007, 09:14 AM
Nice one gary are you bringing him to scotland mate for the blues

Ryan

Kevin Massey
22-09-2007, 12:19 PM
Great stuff Gary and some good pics too Lee....a good read this please keep it going:supz:

SparsTheOne
22-09-2007, 02:22 PM
bloody hell gary hes looking great bud.:supz:
good stuff.



jase.

KiteTrainer
22-09-2007, 03:27 PM
Gary,

What weight is he flying at now and have you managed any lure work with him yet?

Pearl
22-09-2007, 06:20 PM
fantastic mate great pics , can i ask why the leash is left on ?? not a dig just intrested :supz: and that is one fine looking goldie mate a credit to you :supz:

Natch
22-09-2007, 09:10 PM
Nice one gary are you bringing him to scotland mate for the blues

RyanYES i haveing a week on the grouse and meeting up with some other eagle men 4 a week on hares8-)

Natch
22-09-2007, 09:11 PM
Great stuff Gary and some good pics too Lee....a good read this please keep it going:supz:chrees kev:yawinkle:

Natch
22-09-2007, 09:13 PM
bloody hell gary hes looking great bud.:supz:
good stuff.



jase.chrees jase hope the goss is doing well8-)

Natch
22-09-2007, 09:17 PM
Gary,

What weight is he flying at now and have you managed any lure work with him yet?he is flying at moment on the line at 7 pound but he ready to go free iwill start lure work in the next few days8-)

Natch
22-09-2007, 09:21 PM
he is flying at moment on the line at 7 pound but he ready to go free iwill start lure work in the next few days8-)

fantastic mate great pics , can i ask why the leash is left on ?? not a dig just intrested :supz: and that is one fine looking goldie mate a credit to you :supz:as u can c in the pics the leash is not a problem as it trails behind the bird when flying8-)

KiteTrainer
22-09-2007, 09:52 PM
he is flying at moment on the line at 7 pound but he ready to go free iwill start lure work in the next few days8-)

Nice size and a nice looking Eagle

Natch
22-09-2007, 10:00 PM
Nice size and a nice looking Eaglethank u8-)

Pearl
23-09-2007, 07:00 AM
as u can c in the pics the leash is not a problem as it trails behind the bird when flying8-)thanks mate just wondered if there was a reason as i say i was not having a go mate atb with him for the season :supz:

Alf
23-09-2007, 10:29 AM
I am also interested in the leash dangling behind is this leash attached to a creance? Alf.

TLDWB
23-09-2007, 11:14 AM
Looks if the leash is not tied to the creance.

Tom

Berkut
23-09-2007, 12:22 PM
If you look at photograph 3 in post 61,the leash is definately attached to the creance.

I use a loop leash and tie the creance to the leash with a falconers knot. It works well , no big deal.

He is looking good Gary.

Alf
23-09-2007, 12:56 PM
Thought it must be. What’s the idea of leaving the leash on is this a weighted leash or is this an eagle thing? Alf.

If you look at photograph 3 in post 61,the leash is definately attached to the creance.

I use a loop leash and tie the creance to the leash with a falconers knot. It works well , no big deal.

He is looking good Gary.

Natch
23-09-2007, 03:30 PM
Thought it must be. What’s the idea of leaving the leash on is this a weighted leash or is this an eagle thing? Alf.the leash is not weigthed ,,,,,i am happy to leave it on its a natch thing:lol:

Natch
23-09-2007, 03:32 PM
Looks if the leash is not tied to the creance.

Tomcorrect the leash is not tied to the creance 8-)

Berkut
23-09-2007, 04:00 PM
Thought it must be. What’s the idea of leaving the leash on is this a weighted leash or is this an eagle thing? Alf.

It appears I was wrong Alf. It's got me beat.

Alf
23-09-2007, 04:01 PM
Natch so you’re saying you flying your eagle free with its leash hanging? You must have total trust in your eagle not to want to go up and land somewhere? Alf.

Pearl
23-09-2007, 04:23 PM
oh god what have i started lol i was not questioning your or anyones way i just wondered if there was a reason for doing it , i dont think he will be flying with the leash on , ive always left the swivel on with my eagles but never the leash :lol:

TLDWB
23-09-2007, 05:13 PM
Natch so you’re saying you flying your eagle free with its leash hanging? You must have total trust in your eagle not to want to go up and land somewhere? Alf.

Alf, it looks like he is on a creance, but the leash has been left still attached.

Tom

Alf
23-09-2007, 05:57 PM
Keeping out of this one!:yawinkle: Alf.

KiteTrainer
23-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Alf, it looks like he is on a creance, but the leash has been left still attached.

Tom

Correct Tom, I do that when I am excercising my Eagle does not cause a problem

John

Alf
23-09-2007, 07:03 PM
John looking closer at these photos I can see the creance. Nice one Natch you answered truthfully.:yawinkle:
Lazy basted take the leash out. :lol: Alf.

KiteTrainer
23-09-2007, 07:08 PM
John looking closer at these photos I can see the creance. Nice one Natch you answered truthfully.:yawinkle:
Lazy basted take the leash out. :lol: Alf.

It is lazy I know but we all have our faults:lol:

Natch
23-09-2007, 09:19 PM
thanks for your replys if you look more carefuly atevery picture it shows
the creonse is attached to the swivell the reason the leash is left on is because it is doing no harm whatsoever seeing you a eagle exper neil can you explain what u mean by YOU GOT ME BEAT ,,,,,,,,:mad:

TLDWB
23-09-2007, 09:41 PM
Correct Tom, I do that when I am excercising my Eagle does not cause a problem

John

Yep John, I don't have a problem with it either, just pointing out what I could see in the picture.:D

Tom

Berkut
23-09-2007, 09:42 PM
thanks for your replys if you look more carefuly atevery picture it shows
the creonse is attached to the swivell the reason the leash is left on is because it is doing no harm whatsoever seeing you a eagle exper neil can you explain what u mean by YOU GOT ME BEAT ,,,,,,,,:mad:

Gary,
Nothing sinister meant whatsover.Have a look at my earlier post.

PS,
I am far from being an eagle expert as I am learning every day,although admittedly I do put a fair amount in the bag where eagles are concerned.:wink:

Alf
23-09-2007, 09:51 PM
Probably asking the same as me mate when viewed these photos on the computer it was in daylight and honestly on the screen I couldn’t make out the creance tonight with dull light I could, your replies although cagey and somewhat misleading? Does this answer your question? Alf.

Hacker
23-09-2007, 09:59 PM
could be a good thread but unfortunatly seems to be too much back stabbing.
forum seems to be going down hill.
I suggest if people have personal agendas then they keep them that, personal.
this thread seems to be about oneupmanship rather than falconry and that is ********.
You are better not to post if this is the agenda and that is aimed at anyone that has a problem
Clean it up and it could be a good thread?

Natch
23-09-2007, 10:37 PM
could be a good thread but unfortunatly seems to be too much back stabbing.
forum seems to be going down hill.
I suggest if people have personal agendas then they keep them that, personal.
this thread seems to be about oneupmanship rather than falconry and that is ********.
You are better not to post if this is the agenda and that is aimed at anyone that has a problem
Clean it up and it could be a good thread?i have no personal agendas ,,and i don,t back stab i just say it as it is,4 weeks ago i picked up rooney haveing never ever pick a eagle up before .so far i think am doing o.k8-)

Finnish
23-09-2007, 10:39 PM
Doing well I would say so mate. Can't wait to see the boy in Scotland on the blue one's. :supz:

Natch
23-09-2007, 10:43 PM
Doing well I would say so mate. Can't wait to see the boy in Scotland on the blue one's. :supz:me two:D

Mary Quite Contrary
23-09-2007, 10:49 PM
I saw pete young who bought her from george at the festival and he told me he got her at 10 weeks apparently her tail was about 3inches down so thats all the info he gave me

wez

I didnt realise your bird was Heidi.
Do you know much about her history

Natch
24-09-2007, 09:50 PM
c you tomorrow lee 4 some lure work with rooney,,,,, let hin go free today8-)

Richard
24-09-2007, 09:55 PM
c you tomorrow lee 4 some lure work with rooney,,,,, let hin go free today8-)

How much food is he getting on the fist? I've heard of agression becoming a problem if rewards are too big or they get fed too often on fist?

Not a loaded question by any means, I relise things come across differently to different people on public forums.

Richard

Natch
24-09-2007, 10:48 PM
How much food is he getting on the fist? I've heard of agression becoming a problem if rewards are too big or they get fed too often on fist?

Not a loaded question by any means, I relise things come across differently to different people on public forums.

Richardhey richard ,only had agression twice whan removeing the hood ,,,,,,,,,,right or wrong i call him to a hole chick with on agression,,,,,,,,,, this week he willstart lure work:roll:

OutFlying
24-09-2007, 10:51 PM
What's the intended quarry whilst on home ground ?

Good luck with him,

All the best Jim.

Natch
24-09-2007, 11:16 PM
What's the intended quarry whilst on home ground ?

Good luck with him,

All the best Jim.hare ,,,,,,,,,,thanks jim 8-)

SSL
25-09-2007, 10:55 AM
c you tomorrow lee 4 some lure work with rooney,,,,, let hin go free today8-)

Dont forget to remove the leash Natch :lol:

KKLouiseKK
25-09-2007, 11:04 AM
goldies are so stunning. I just thought i would ask, i never hear of many people breeding these beautiful birds esp. in the UK. is there a reason why? they seem popular enough and i am sure noone would have a problem selling them. I know they are tricky to hunt anywhere in the uk other than scotland but surely centres would want them?
just a thought

TLDWB
25-09-2007, 01:14 PM
goldies are so stunning. I just thought i would ask, i never hear of many people breeding these beautiful birds esp. in the UK. is there a reason why? they seem popular enough and i am sure noone would have a problem selling them. I know they are tricky to hunt anywhere in the uk other than scotland but surely centres would want them?
just a thought

There is a lot more than you think bred in the UK. Most centers have them on display.

Cheers
Tom

KKLouiseKK
25-09-2007, 01:37 PM
are they easy to breed?

TLDWB
25-09-2007, 01:55 PM
Not bred them myself, but I know that the breeder who bred my own Eagle has breed them well into double figures.

Tom

Finnish
25-09-2007, 04:24 PM
Dont forget to remove the leash Natch :lol:


I like it Steve.... Pmsl:lol:

Natch
25-09-2007, 08:57 PM
Dont forget to remove the leash Natch :lol:looks like 2 a like8-)

GaryPCO
25-09-2007, 10:15 PM
could be a good thread but unfortunatly seems to be too much back stabbing.
forum seems to be going down hill.
I suggest if people have personal agendas then they keep them that, personal.
this thread seems to be about oneupmanship rather than falconry and that is ********.
You are better not to post if this is the agenda and that is aimed at anyone that has a problem
Clean it up and it could be a good thread?
finally some common sense,looking great gary,keep us all informed m8 looks like im gunna have to get power crazy and open a can of wupass on a few people here!:twisted:

TLDWB
25-09-2007, 10:52 PM
finally some common sense,looking great gary,keep us all informed m8 looks like im gunna have to get power crazy and open a can of wupass on a few people here!:twisted:

Ohhh :roll:

Tom

Alf
25-09-2007, 11:09 PM
If I am in this equation let the barer barware. I have a PhD in the art of gaining the upper hand with slagging.:yawinkle: Alf .

finally some common sense,looking great gary,keep us all informed m8 looks like im gunna have to get power crazy and open a can of wupass on a few people here!:twisted:

GaryPCO
25-09-2007, 11:59 PM
:finga: If I am in this equation let the barer barware. I have a PhD in the art of gaining the upper hand with slagging.:yawinkle: Alf .
not against me my silly short wearing cartoon looking superhero friend!!!

il just bann ya!!!!

Alf
26-09-2007, 07:00 AM
My god I am shacking in my shoes! Alf.

Matt
26-09-2007, 09:49 AM
good thread this .
natch can i ask if you are following your own therory of training rooney , as in you own method for eagle training ?

i cant find anything much written down but im glad to say i have had loads of free advice from other eaglers .

the most common coment is all eagles are diferant and you will need to work out what you can and cant do with each individual .


im hoping to get out with a good few falconers that fly eagles this year to learn what i can .

you are living my dream at the moment , so good on ya .

every time i see pics of rooney and other eagles i smile . even learning about them reminds me of begining falconry all over again .

can i ask if you will train him to be able to lamp , i only ask as a few local guys are begining to train theres so they can get out every posible day/night and build low level fitness and confidance .

seems like the best option for regular fox killing to .

all the best .

GaryPCO
26-09-2007, 09:50 AM
My god I am shacking in my shoes! Alf.
is shacking in your shoes like shaking but worse?:rolleyes:

HawkEagle
26-09-2007, 02:11 PM
How much food is he getting on the fist? I've heard of agression becoming a problem if rewards are too big or they get fed too often on fist?

Not a loaded question by any means, I relise things come across differently to different people on public forums.

Richard

This is a very good question, I have read many that stated not to call eagle to fist but throw food on the ground and pick the bird from the ground. I only call my eagle to fist and only feed my bird on fist without any problem. The agression of fist feeding is partially true. Initually when the bird view you as stranger having large amount of food will lead to agression cause the bird doesnt trust you and will try to take her food away from you to feed elsewhere and she will view you as a direct competitor. However if you persist you will slowly gain her trust and eventually she will only feel your fist as a safe feeding place. This way you will have an eagle that step off kill easily, the bird that doesnt have to fly so low.

Alf
26-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Its worse than shaking because I was so worried I might be thrown off the list by you I was petrifying myself had to post it quick didn’t have time to spell check MY GOD! MY GOD! PLEASE PLEASE DON’T THROW ME OFF THIS LIST.
.
I that it, is this the best you can come up with a spelling mistake come on you can do better than that? Alf.



is shacking in your shoes like shaking but worse?:rolleyes:

Richard
26-09-2007, 04:38 PM
This is a very good question, I have read many that stated not to call eagle to fist but throw food on the ground and pick the bird from the ground. I only call my eagle to fist and only feed my bird on fist without any problem. The agression of fist feeding is partially true. Initually when the bird view you as stranger having large amount of food will lead to agression cause the bird doesnt trust you and will try to take her food away from you to feed elsewhere and she will view you as a direct competitor. However if you persist you will slowly gain her trust and eventually she will only feel your fist as a safe feeding place. This way you will have an eagle that step off kill easily, the bird that doesnt have to fly so low.

Thanks for taking the time to answer. So you have fresh out of the aviary bird, would you man the bird down initially without any food visible, building the trust as you mentioned before? then gradually introduce small rewards for jumping then introduce the lure?

Also out of curiosity how do you what methods do you eaglemen use to trade your eagle off a kill?

Hope i'm making sense!
Richard

HawkEagle
27-09-2007, 05:04 AM
Thanks for taking the time to answer. So you have fresh out of the aviary bird, would you man the bird down initially without any food visible, building the trust as you mentioned before? then gradually introduce small rewards for jumping then introduce the lure?

Also out of curiosity how do you what methods do you eaglemen use to trade your eagle off a kill?

Hope i'm making sense!
Richard
Asuming that the bird is at it's top weight, I'll man the bird but not feed it until she start having a little appitide then I man her with food (tiring) to feed during this time alot of manning is done. When the bird is fully fat manning will not do much good, the bird will not see any point having you around and will bait more and become more frighten of you. I reduce my bird weight gradually down so should there be anything undesirable then it's easily corrected. I also only trade off a kill although someone will argue that but I find birds that allow to feed off kill will become more agressive and processive around the kill. My bird will step of kill easily some will even jump off kill to fist to feed.

KiteTrainer
04-10-2007, 04:21 PM
Natch,

How is he doing now ?, should be getting a bit fitter

Natch
04-10-2007, 09:25 PM
Rooneys Lure Training Is Slowly Coming To An End As He Has Been Chasing A Dragged Lure From The Back Of A Toyota And He Is Doing Absolutley Brilliant This Wekend Hoping To Get Out On Some Live Game 8-)

Finnish
04-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Gary I can't belive how well you have done with Rooney. He is getting faster every time. Can't wait for the weekend with him mate.

Natch
04-10-2007, 09:31 PM
Gary I can't belive how well you have done with Rooney. He is getting faster every time. Can't wait for the weekend with him mate.CAN,T WAIT8-)

KiteTrainer
04-10-2007, 10:12 PM
Rooneys Lure Training Is Slowly Coming To An End As He Has Been Chasing A Dragged Lure From The Back Of A Toyota And He Is Doing Absolutley Brilliant This Wekend Hoping To Get Out On Some Live Game 8-)

Good stuff, look forward to hearing how you get on at the weekend

Hacker
04-10-2007, 11:29 PM
Gary,
Anymore pics m8.

Finnish
05-10-2007, 06:17 AM
Richard hopfuly I will take some this weekend....

KiteTrainer
10-10-2007, 03:19 PM
How did it go at the weekend, any success or some flights you can tell us about, I know it takes time

Richard
11-10-2007, 09:43 PM
Hows the eagle doing?

Natch
11-10-2007, 11:06 PM
hi guys thanks for all your interest sorry i havent posted in a while rooney is doing absoutley brilliant went out last weekend on some live game was a big brown hare which he bated at and i slipped him he chased it for a good 50 to 60 yards had a strike and completly fu---ed it up after he had a couple of slips on rabbit every time they made it to ground the best slip of the day would have been if i wuld have slipped him when he bated as a hare broke cover and ran down hill over a small ridge and i did not let him go dont know why but probalby regret it but on the whole rooney is doing very well to the fist and to is up hill training nightly 8-)

Hacker
11-10-2007, 11:18 PM
Gary,
Glad to see all is going well with rooney.
Get he that loves Stella to get that camera clicking and get some pics up.
We have all hung on to the bird when with hindsight we should slip them, hopefully next one will be in the bag!:supz:

Natch
11-10-2007, 11:23 PM
Gary,
Glad to see all is going well with rooney.
Get he that loves Stella to get that camera clicking and get some pics up.
We have all hung on to the bird when with hindsight we should slip them, hopefully next one will be in the bag!:supz:finger,s crossed8-)

KiteTrainer
12-10-2007, 03:32 PM
hi guys thanks for all your interest sorry i havent posted in a while rooney is doing absoutley brilliant went out last weekend on some live game was a big brown hare which he bated at and i slipped him he chased it for a good 50 to 60 yards had a strike and completly fu---ed it up after he had a couple of slips on rabbit every time they made it to ground the best slip of the day would have been if i wuld have slipped him when he bated as a hare broke cover and ran down hill over a small ridge and i did not let him go dont know why but probalby regret it but on the whole rooney is doing very well to the fist and to is up hill training nightly 8-)

Good stuff, I am sure it won't be long till you get something in the bag

Natch
13-10-2007, 11:05 PM
were is the pic,s:o ,lee:idea:

Kevin Massey
14-10-2007, 08:35 AM
were is the pic,s:o ,lee:idea:

Is his blimmin camera broke:?:

GSP
14-10-2007, 06:54 PM
were is the pic,s:o ,lee:idea:
Come on get the pics up

Finnish
14-10-2007, 07:22 PM
OK went out yesterday with Gary, Steve and Julian. The Eagle men :) Went to a place where there are a few Brown hares and lot's of rabbit's. Rooney was so unlucky several time. Steve who is flying Rooney's sister caught a rabbit though here are some pic's it was a mint day.

Finnish
14-10-2007, 07:24 PM
More....

Finnish
14-10-2007, 07:25 PM
Sorry some out of focus was not my camera...

KiteTrainer
14-10-2007, 07:29 PM
Good stuff, weather looked pretty good too

Hacker
14-10-2007, 07:31 PM
Ah the pics, well done.
The first of many by the looks of it.
Keep at it guys and all should come right, we are all learning.

Hacker
14-10-2007, 07:48 PM
Steve,
what was the slip like, a close affair or longer flight that would make the bird work.
What weight is she flying at and how does she react on the kill?
Interested in the input, cheers
Richard

GSP
14-10-2007, 08:33 PM
Steve,
what was the slip like, a close affair or longer flight that would make the bird work.
What weight is she flying at and how does she react on the kill?
Interested in the input, cheers
Richard
Hi Richard
this particular flight was not very long maybe 50 meters which in some ways made it harder.
What the picture does not show is how steep the ground is.
Which makes low level flying off the fist at bolted rabbits very testing for a young eagle especialy in a downdraft situation if they turn up hill.
Bracken flew at three rabbits from the same bury, the other two jinked and lived to be flown at another day.
This was only her 2nd kill so was fed up from it.
Rooney flew very well taking on rabbits and hares he could see in the distance but was unlucky with rabbits geting to ground and hares powering up hill.
Things are looking good for both eagles,as they gain fitness the flights are geting more exciting.
Steve

Hacker
14-10-2007, 08:38 PM
Steve,
understand what you are saying,looks like we will be hearing a lot more from these two and look forward to it.
What weight is bracken flying at presently.
will be picking your brains at next pub meet.
Richard

Natch
14-10-2007, 08:46 PM
thanks 4 the pic,s steve,,,,,,,,,,rooney flew well 2/day all up hill lure work8-)

Hacker
14-10-2007, 08:52 PM
thanks 4 the pic,s steve,,,,,,,,,,rooney flew well 2/day all up hill lure work8-)

Natch,
looks like you have a good un there m8!

KiteTrainer
18-10-2007, 10:05 AM
thanks 4 the pic,s steve,,,,,,,,,,rooney flew well 2/day all up hill lure work8-)

Just out of interest how many reps do you do for your lure recalls and what distance ? How is Rooney in terms of trading the lure? I take it repetition is the answer

Richard
22-10-2007, 11:08 PM
Entered yet?

Rich

Natch
25-10-2007, 12:39 AM
Entered yet?

Richrooney is on is 4th hare 2 day ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:supz:
:heart:

Richard
25-10-2007, 03:42 PM
Good stuff :lol: What weights he taking them at? Is he going to Scotland?

Berkut
25-10-2007, 08:33 PM
rooney is on is 4th hare 2 day ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:supz:
:heart:

Sounds good Gary. His footing must be good for a young eagle.Were they long flights. :supz: :supz:

KiteTrainer
26-10-2007, 12:53 PM
Natch

I know you have fed your Eagle from the fist, this is not a loaded question but how do you find his manners about the fist , is there a lot of aggression towards you. Also you have done a lot of lure work and I am curious to know if this has helped in the transition to live quarry and trading kills.
I am in the middle of training Floyd at the moment and am steering away from real food association on the fist other than a small reward to encourage him to step up.
I am just interested how the two methods compare and what the pros and cons are in respect of both methods

John

Big JoeJoe
26-10-2007, 01:02 PM
rooney is on is 4th hare 2 day ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:supz:
:heart:

Nice going Natch, :supz: :supz:

Cheers Joe

Sprout
26-10-2007, 02:13 PM
rooney is on is 4th hare 2 day
:heart:

To quote one of our leaders "pics???" :D :lol: :goodman:

KiteTrainer
05-11-2007, 04:22 PM
Natch

I know you have fed your Eagle from the fist, this is not a loaded question but how do you find his manners about the fist , is there a lot of aggression towards you. Also you have done a lot of lure work and I am curious to know if this has helped in the transition to live quarry and trading kills.
I am in the middle of training Floyd at the moment and am steering away from real food association on the fist other than a small reward to encourage him to step up.
I am just interested how the two methods compare and what the pros and cons are in respect of both methods

John



I know you have been away in Scotland but any thoughts?

KiteTrainer
06-11-2007, 11:48 PM
Gary

Still would like to know how things are going, interested in how the two methods compare, would love to see some pics

John

Andrew Connor
07-11-2007, 08:06 PM
great looking birds mate

KiteTrainer
08-11-2007, 04:55 PM
Guys lets not forget gary spent a week in scotland and has been working aswell i am sure he is not being ignorant to u guys on purpose

Wez

I knew that he had spent time in Scotland, but I did ask before he went what the bird's reaction was like to being fed on the fist and what he found in terms of aggression etc. Also he had done a great deal of uphill lure work, nothing loaded just genuine questions. The inference was that he was taking the Eagle up to Scotland for a go at the blue hares and was hoping to read about that.
I am interested because I follow all the Eagle threads and given that his bird is almost at the same stage as mine if not a bit further down the line.
I have had my brains picked on my thread and answer any questions , people ask out of genuine interest and I am happy to answer questions. Other people might not train their bird like me, doesn.t mean that mine is right or the only way.
I started my thread and check it every tine I am on and if there are questions I will answer them.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no problem. I feel it is good to contribute if that in itself is a problem I will ask no more questions

JoHo
02-12-2007, 12:38 AM
Gary / Lee

Just wondering what's happening with Rooney. Haven't seen any updates in a while or have I just missed the threads?

Johann