Goshawk on grouse!!!!!

[Avic]

Any one ever caught one with a gos or are they to fast? Never heard of one being caught by a gos, just interested!!

[SparsTheOne]

theres a guy on here that caught one with a male gos not so long back.


jase.

[Yeoman]

Ive took one with a male gos it got up about 20ft away it didnt get a further 30:supz:

[TiercelMan]

Any one ever caught one with a gos or are they to fast? Never heard of one being caught by a gos, just interested!!

I think Nick Fox tried it a few years ago. Don't know how he got on

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

just like with longwings, it is considered the ultimate goshawking

[Avic]

just like with longwings, it is considered the ultimate goshawking

What with your sage grouse?? So why not in England? Are they faster than pheasant? Can they be caught in a long chance by a gos like a pheasant?

(I’m talking predominantly about red grouse but would be interested in the American grouse to??)

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

im sure that those grouse are the ultimate (european)goshawkin too,,
and from what i hear,,its just about impossible to find a suitable hawking ground that contains them,,,
and that is why you hear so little about it,,
believe me,, i would rather be reading about grouse hawking, than crow hawking,,
i dont know much about the red grouse,,
what can you tell me about them?

[Berkut]

Paris (Harry Pyle ) caught one recently with a male. I came very close to catching one a few years back with a young imprint gos but she just didn,t have the experience at the time.

[DazMan]

a chap in the bfc caught one a couple of years ago at a field meet,although it had been chased down off the hill by a peregrine flown further up :supz:

[SharpTail]

I have on a few occasions seen wild American Goshawks chasing Sharptailed Grouse while in the field Hawking. 1 such flight the Sharptail was about 300' up and the Gos was about 100' behind. They came into view this way and passed by without much discernable change. In another instance, my daughter and I were hawking Sharptails in knee high stubble and had a Setter on point. We had 1 flight with Katies Gyr/Saker and upon his return a second flight was in progress, when as 1 of the grouse we were standing amidst flushed at about 4' from me, a Haggard Goshawk flew over my shoulder next to my head in full pursuit. The Grouse initually headed for the pine forest, but seem to realize that it was being chased by a Hawk and pulled up over the trees and they both skyed out in the distance. Had the pursuit been from a long wing I have no doubt that the grouse would have sought refuge in the trees. Kate and I were both rather stunned.

[Jack]

It seems that any and all birds know exactly what a hawk or a falcon is, even at first sight. They also seem to know exactly what to do. They sky up on my hawks, but bail and hide in cover from my falcons.
I seem to recall that the northern goshawks feed a great deal on blue and ruffed grouse across the northern states and Canada. I have seen blue grouse, but wouldn't know one grouse from another. Just wish we had them here.
Most prey species are equally as fast as the predator birds. In some cases they are even faster. The hawks and falcons have developed certain skills that give them a temperary advantage. If you can get a decently close slip on a grouse I suspect that the lightning fast accelleration of the goshawk will overwhelm the grouse before it can achieve escape speeds. But, that overwhelming speed would only be good for a few short yards before the grouse did achieve it's escape speeds.
Hawking, especially with a hawk for the fist, requires that you know your quarry. You have to be able to stalk it and approach it to a distance that gives your hawk a chance to catch it.

Jack

[SSL]

although it had been chased down off the hill by a peregrine flown further up :supz:

I've never heard that addition to the story before, I wonder why :rolleyes: :lol:

I'd love to try my Gos on Grouse....

[Avic]

So talking about red grouse, are they quicker than pheasant?

[SSL]

So talking about red grouse, are they quicker than pheasant?

Red Grouse are the fastest Game bird in Britain.

[Moritz]

So talking about red grouse, are they quicker than pheasant?

They are a hell of a lot faster.

[Avic]

Red Grouse are the fastest Game bird in Britain.

Faster than ptarmigan?

[TimDog80]

Red Grouse are the fastest Game bird in Britain.
is there any recorded speed for them then??
i read of pidgeons do 60mph and have heard of goshawks catching them on long flights??

do you know if there faster than a wood pidgeon??

(before anyone says it no im not saying pidgeon is a game bird:yawinkle: )

[SSL]

is there any recorded speed for them then??
i read of pidgeons do 60mph and have heard of goshawks catching them on long flights??

Dont know about recored but 60-80mph gets banned about alot. I would like to see the Goshawk that brings down a good Woodie on a long flight though :supz:

do you know if there faster than a wood pidgeon??


I would guess very similar.

Faster than ptarmigan?

Guess so.

[Redeye]

Faster than ptarmigan?

From what I have heard having never seen a ptarmigan is they are much less wary than red grouse.

That said neither crop up to often in Surrey:yawinkle:

[TimDog80]

Dont know about recored but 60-80mph gets banned about alot. I would like to see the Goshawk that brings down a good Woodie on a long flight though :supz:



I would guess very similar.



Guess so.
cheers steve
i think it may have been a imprint male goss flying them down regularly (possibly hardcorehawker? on here if i remenber correctly!!)

[Paris]

Any one ever caught one with a gos or are they to fast? Never heard of one being caught by a gos, just interested!!

Hi is this OK the very Quick and the dead.
Regards Harry Pyle.43756

43757

[Bird_Dog]

A gos might have the speed to catch up to sharptail, bringing it down is another story. My coopers chased prairie grouse sharptail and sage. For the most part it was futal becasue the grouse jumped early. Perhaps it they had been pinned down on point it might have worked better. No experience with ruffed or blue grouse. Gos should have no problem with the forest grouse.

-- Bird_Dog

[MitchellBrad]

A gos might have the speed to catch up to sharptail, bringing it down is another story. My coopers chased prairie grouse sharptail and sage. For the most part it was futal becasue the grouse jumped early. Perhaps it they had been pinned down on point it might have worked better. No experience with ruffed or blue grouse. Gos should have no problem with the forest grouse.

-- Bird_Dog

There is no doubt about it wild raptors kill sharptails. I've found a few kills while out hawking. I've seen gosses chase them and get blown off rather easily. Once the grouse are in the air the gos doesn't stand much of a chance unless the gos can put it into some brush. A ND falconer did catch a few with Gossey. From what he told me they were all young birds he had to get close to, very close.

Forest grouse are a different story. Goshawks prey on them though I'm told in a falconry situation they are very hard to catch. A falconer once told me he could catch them with passager gosses but he had to let the gos do it her way, out of a tree. Once when deer hunting I was sitting on the side of a hill watching a brush filled ravine. There were a lot of ruffed grouse there which we would shoot for dinner. Coming from the ravine I could hear noise and thought I had a deer coming my way. Instead of a deer a ruffed grouse flushes up and over the stunted trees and brush. Not far behind it a haggard gos came up too. She chased the grouse uphill for a distance then both disappeared back into the ravine. I could only assume this was her plan because she never once let up.

[Jack]

Most all game birds are as fast or a bit faster than the predator birds. This is why the hawks develop certain stratogies. The stoop for instance. It is the falcons advantage. If the stoop misses the falcon is left to tail chase and in most cases when it involves a wild game bird, the chase ends with the falcon beaten in the air. The accipiters are ambush hawks. They will try to get as close to the quarry as they can without being seen. Once seen the quarry will bolt, and within a very short distance they reach top speeds, which will leave the goshawk behind usually. All they have to do is equal the hawks speed and they can not be caught unless at the put in, and most birds will not put in unless they feel that they are being pressed too hard. Any quarry can be caught if you know your quarry well. I have been out hawking with people that did not know one thing about their chosen quarry, and it showed in that they seldom even got a decent slip or chase. Forget taking quarry. If you hunt with an accipiter you really need to learn to hunt with it. You have to know exactly where to hunt and how to hunt your chosen quarry. Then you can start catching more of anything you hunt.

Jack

[cokeforbreakfast]

Funny I would find this post...

My husband is duck hunting in Canada and called tonight to report that one of their party today supposedly witnessed a gos take a sharptail in the air.

The hunting party is all non-falconers, though all with years of hunting experience. (While we were talking they were looking in bird books for positive ID.)

I inquired of other falconers earlier this evening and was told that if the gos was really experienced and hungry, and the sharpie was young and dumb, it could happen.

[Bird_Dog]

Not only gosses but RT can hunt prairie chicken. Last year, I spotted a group of about 20 greaters. I quickly put the transmitter on my gyrXperegrine while keeping an eye on the chicken in the feeding in a cut wheatfield. As I began to walk toward the field a haggard female RT stooped the chickens and flushed them. The RT remained on the ground but I couldn't tell for sure if she actually caught one or not. We followed the flock to another field to get a slip. The next day I tried the wheatfield again. This time my tiercel drove the RT away before mounting up and waiting-on.

Bird_Dog

[Illustrator]

Most all game birds are as fast or a bit faster than the predator birds. This is why the hawks develop certain stratogies. The stoop for instance. It is the falcons advantage. If the stoop misses the falcon is left to tail chase and in most cases when it involves a wild game bird, the chase ends with the falcon beaten in the air. The accipiters are ambush hawks. They will try to get as close to the quarry as they can without being seen. Once seen the quarry will bolt, and within a very short distance they reach top speeds, which will leave the goshawk behind usually. All they have to do is equal the hawks speed and they can not be caught unless at the put in, and most birds will not put in unless they feel that they are being pressed too hard. Any quarry can be caught if you know your quarry well. I have been out hawking with people that did not know one thing about their chosen quarry, and it showed in that they seldom even got a decent slip or chase. Forget taking quarry. If you hunt with an accipiter you really need to learn to hunt with it. You have to know exactly where to hunt and how to hunt your chosen quarry. Then you can start catching more of anything you hunt.

Jack

:supz: :supz: Very well said indeed i have to agree with that 100%,your gos can only catch the things you show it and if that person lacks knowledge of the quarry he is after how can he expect good sport.

[MitchellBrad]

Not only gosses but RT can hunt prairie chicken. Last year, I spotted a group of about 20 greaters. I quickly put the transmitter on my gyrXperegrine while keeping an eye on the chicken in the feeding in a cut wheatfield. As I began to walk toward the field a haggard female RT stooped the chickens and flushed them.
Bird_Dog

I see that when grouse hawking quite often. Harriers are worse, they always test a flock of grouse. And they flush that "give me" set up I found.:x Once I was looking for grouse when an immy rt stooped a flock on the ground. The grouse busted with the rt about 20 feet in the air coming on them. Nothing was near to being caught but I got a great flight out of that field the next day.

Brad