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OwlLady
30-09-2004, 12:29 AM
this is the story of vomit the vulture.
thois is rather a difficult story to write as this bird was my fathers pride and joy he waited many years to own a vulture then one day out of the blue a centre decided they were putting him away due to the partnership dissolving i will not say what i paid for him but he did not come cheap although obviously he was priceless to me. we got him in 2000, it took several monthds to train him, working with these birds is rather difficult as they have some nasty habits. vomit had been used for flying displays but was used at flying weight for it, we were triaining him to work at fat weight o work with the public that is why it took so long to trian him. i put everythin i could into it and i got fantastic responce from him.
once he was trained we could take him out and allow the memebrs of the public to hold him on their hand without him doing any of his dirty habits and he had hundreds of pictures taken with the public and was a very popular bird.

as he was a vulture he was alos a very clever bird he could open the knots on his lead and go for a fly when he felt like it, the first time he done this he dissapeared for three days, because of the time scale and the type of bird he was we had to obviously notify all the appropriatte authoritires hence yes he made it in the papers. but he did return of his own free will and he did return to his own little "coal bunker". the "coal bunker" is four feet by six feet by four feet which at the time was sitting on a pallet off theground. th e"coal bunker" however is not a coal bunker it is a ctually a goats house, purchased as goat house and used by a goat we have at the moment as goats hse

however getting back to vomit he was never actually kept in this goathouse he had a large block to the side of the goathouse which when he allowed himself to be he was tethered to the block, howver he prefered to be untethered and danced on the roof with his wings in the air showing off,he like to think he was king of the birds and he certainly looked the part!!!!! i dont know how much people out there know about vultures but there meat has to be very well done before they can actually eat it,, so to keep vultures on a good healthy diet you must have good healthy carcusses whic will last at least a week, not everyone can stomach this and most vultures are kept on a diet of chicks--ours have never been used to.i had many days where i would just sit and talk with vomit playt with vomit and get the odd nip from vomit.

vomit lived here for approximatly three years and i feel sure that had he been unhappy during his many flights of fancy he would have forgotton to coem back. i have experienced this bird sitting on my hand displaying with his wings wide open this is difficult to expalin as you have to see it to believ it.

many people have passions for falcons/buzzards/owls fortunatly mine is with vultures, i had an incredible bond with this one which i dnt know if i will ever have again with any other bird.the sad part part to this story in the year 2003 my wife and i went for shopping and there was no one at the premise for a few hours now e do indeed live in secluded area with a forrest behind and a large scrapyard at he side unfortunatly there are two ways in and out one of which is a forrestry track running through the trees suitable for cars. this road is public right away.

when my wife and i returned from town before i had even stoped the car i said to my wife " somethign is wrong vomit is on his side". with one wing waving about, i jumped out the car run to him upon reaching him i discoverd there was damge to the wing although there was no bleeding whatsoever, i phones several vets and only one was prepared to look at the birds wing this vet was between 50-60 miles from us (one way) however we got staright in the car and went, upon arriaval wiht vomit who had shown nop pain or discomfort sitting on the backseat fine we took him in and he was xrayed, when xrayed the vet told us he would have to a second one on the oppsite side as it seemed there were two bones broken in there appeared to be what was a three inch gap each side of the break wheb the second xray was taken the vet confirmed there was definatly a three inch gap in the break by a three inch break we are talking the wing being broken and a second piece of bone being broken three inches from the first break, the vet expressed this looked very much like vomit had been hit with something solid. suggesting somthing lie a baseball bat/log/fencepost?/foot. as there was no tears in the skin at all and both breaks were interior. due to the severity of this the only options wer put him down, to have half his wing amputated, we opted for the later hoping there would still be a quality of life for him this operation cost several hundred pounds of which we didi not grudge one penny after which i nursed him,, cjhnged his dressings every day twice a day for over 2 mnths, finally it got t a stage where he did have a nice clean stump. unfortunatly vomit was never very happy afterwards on trying to display he couldnt use both wing any more. vomit was estimated to have been at least 25 years old therefore he did have both wings all his life he seemd to get very stressed when he couldnt disp[lay we tried him in an open pen where he just lay in the corner, so we took him back in and put on his anklets and jesses put him back to his block still he didint seem happy.please bear ind mind this hurt me (jeff) as much as it seemed to hurt thr bird, there is no pleaseure is seeing an unhappy bird and this was a bird who was full of joy and loved to show off.he took his food each day but still didnt improve, eventually in october he decided the time was right for him to move on:(

on making several enquirie with different people i was given the same answer as i had myself vomit had just pined and died, because he no longer had his wing. to this day we do not know what happened or why. but i am still grieving for that great amd wonderful friend i lost, this is our story of vomit this is the truth of how he ws kept and how he passed on.
for those of you wonderin vomit was called vomit because of what vultures do, and was already neamed it.

i have posted this as i was asked to tell "you all " about vomit the vulture. which for obvious reasons was a hurtful thing to say my name is jeff and tah is all for now.

(sorry guys i ave typed this as my dad spoke, he dnt talk about vomit much, and i have no grammar lol)
pleas once again moderators if you wish to remove this post do do :)
any one any questions please pm me
tahk you :)
a pic of vomit and jeff is in the gallery




Fox
30-09-2004, 01:00 AM
Vomit 25 years old, dont you think you should of put him out of his misery on the day of the injury. When a horse breaks its leg its the only realistic thing that can be done. A bird with 1 wing sounds terrible to me.

Ian Wileman
30-09-2004, 01:09 AM
What about the thousands of birds that are piniend (think thats how you spell it) every year so they dont fly out of bird reserves and zoos. I think we should leave off this member and give her a break. Sadly, as is often the case in todays society, people are guilty till proven innocent, and once an accusation has been made, we often find it difficult not to jump down the persons throat at any opportunity. I dont know that I would simple put a bird 'out of its misery' so quickly, especially considering the lazy nature of bops to begin with. A well fed rapture does not necessarily want to fly. Attachment to an animal is often a very strong thing and whether selfish or not, unless you have been in the situation, perhaps you should take a back seat.

Fox
30-09-2004, 01:14 AM
WE HAVE ALL BEEN IN SUCH SITUATIONS IF YOU KEEP LIVESTOCK,BIRDS,ANIMALLS

North East Harris Hawker
30-09-2004, 01:15 AM
such a sad story, i wonder what it was/who it was that injured his wing :x
its terrible when you lose a bird, i hope your over it now :(

Ian Wileman
30-09-2004, 01:26 AM
And we all react differently to similar situations. For example, you just got p***ed off because I contradicted your post Fox. Imagine how OL feels right know with all the accusations and insinuations that have been flown around this site about her over the past couple of days. Give her a break, before you give yourself a hernia. There was no offencment by my first post, and non by this one either. I am not at all religious, but still believe it is important to live with a 'christian' attitude, and I am reminded of a statement made by your friend and mine a couple of thousand years ago....it went something like this "Let he who has no sin, cast the first stone". Well Fox, how many stones can you REALLY throw?

Fox
30-09-2004, 02:25 AM
Na Ian, I did not get p***ed off i think all opinions should be expressed and no one should be afraid to do so.

I like your religious scriptures. How about : You will never see an atheist in a fox hole. This is so true.

30-09-2004, 02:41 AM
*******EDITED********

Hawkaholic you have claimed to have evidence that proves owl lady mistreats her birds you have been asked to provide this evidence and have failed to do so if you have any proof you have until noon on Sunday to post it or to email it to me or NEHH or all posts regarding this mater will be deleted

Andy.....

Darren
30-09-2004, 10:02 AM
its hard to put down any animal you have had for a time i now. my 11yr old dog was put down 2 weeks ago & it hurt more than getting divorced, i had him from 8weeks old & for the last 2 weeks of his life a carried him in & out of the garden, this was a 5 & half stone solid muscle boxer. he was on different drugs for a month to try & get him back on his feet. you dont want to put your pet/animal to sleep you want to give it the best chance of recovery. So i know how owllady felt.

OwlLady
30-09-2004, 06:06 PM
thank you darren!!! we are always sad when we lose a pet--having had them along time it really is like losing a member of the family, and you really dnt like the thought of losing them.
fox i do not understand your "you will nevr see an atiest in a fox hole"?
and i an thank you also for your posts, you have pointed a few true facts :) and thank you also for sparing a thought to me:)
andy what can i say...........................( i nevr seen hawakaholics post lol)

Wightwings
30-09-2004, 07:35 PM
can i say , and this is my personal opinion, I feel keeping ANY animal that is disabled is tantamount to a form of cruelty. now for me this is exasperated when that animal is a bird that can no longer fly, or hs a leg missing etc. I know of "sanctuarys" were birds with one wing are made special steps to get around the aviaries. in life there is a rule, "you have live stock, you have dead stock". I'm sorry that this opinion will raise eyebrows, but why do it. do not tell me that the bird has an active enjoyable life, that b*ll*cks. and why do it? so you can say you are doing your bit for nature or to satisfy your own ego? once again thats my opinion thought i would voice it.

Ian Wileman
30-09-2004, 09:12 PM
Spixs macaw is one of the worlds most endangered animals (in fact THE rarest bird on the planet). There was a case a couple of years ago I read about, where a parrot (not the spix - but nevertheless a parrot), that was unable to fly, had quite happily mated with his partner and reared a clutch of eggs to fledging. Amazing.....I mean, the owner could have had his bird put down because it could no longer fly, but still. What if that bird had been a spixs macaw? Cant fly, kill it?

Wightwings
30-09-2004, 09:19 PM
being a bit flipant there Ian, you are talking conservation and that falls into totally seperate realm with endangered species. I have a parrot, he flies around the room and has a great life with us but he could not enjoy that freedom and was confined to sitting in his cage unable to exercise correctly yes i would do the right thing by him

Shaun Byrne
30-09-2004, 10:15 PM
What sort of vulture was he?

Ian Wileman
30-09-2004, 10:33 PM
He said Parrot, not vulture. And not sure the bird would agree with you wightwings?!?

Wightwings
30-09-2004, 10:38 PM
like i said ian just my personal opinion. :|

OwlLady
01-10-2004, 12:22 AM
just incase, vomit was a turkey vulture:)
thank you ian :)

OwlLady
01-10-2004, 12:23 AM
is ok wightwings-opinions is what its here for :)

Shaun Byrne
01-10-2004, 07:19 AM
I said vulture, not parrot.

Ian Wileman
01-10-2004, 08:05 AM
Oh You! I thought .....well, there you go! Silly me!

Mr Weim
02-10-2004, 12:34 AM
can i say , and this is my personal opinion, I feel keeping ANY animal that is disabled is tantamount to a form of cruelty. now for me this is exasperated when that animal is a bird that can no longer fly, or hs a leg missing etc. I know of "sanctuarys" were birds with one wing are made special steps to get around the aviaries. in life there is a rule, "you have live stock, you have dead stock". I'm sorry that this opinion will raise eyebrows, but why do it. do not tell me that the bird has an active enjoyable life, that b*ll*cks. and why do it? so you can say you are doing your bit for nature or to satisfy your own ego? once again thats my opinion thought i would voice it.


well i totally disagee with you i also take in wild disabled birds i currently have just been handed a wild disabled kestrel she has a dodgy wing but in saying that she is a very happy bird bird i have her in a 20 foot x 15 foot avery so she can still exerise if she wishes she cannot be released back to the wild as she cannot fend for herself IT IS NOT MY INFLATED EGO THAT I KEEP HER she is kept so she can still have a good life she doesnt get handled unless its a vet trip she is still as wild as the day she was brought in fed on a top rate diet i would definatly say she is a very happy bird

Wightwings
02-10-2004, 01:13 AM
20 ft x 15 ft aviary?!

well i suppose compared to ?mile high by ? mile wide in the wild that does compare? she must enjoy hovering in the top.

Mr Weim
02-10-2004, 12:15 PM
enjoy hovering in the top
like i said she is unable to go back to the wild but at least she has a quality life she has adapted ok im also of the opinon that if we had a wild release scheme she would have a mate and her offspring would be realesed back to the wild

Hawkmaster
28-05-2005, 01:14 PM
MOVED TO THE CORRECT PLACE :!:

Ben C
28-05-2005, 02:01 PM
Just quietly put the little begger to sleep! Too much interference, no function, no purpose, no life.

Darwin had it about right, nature is a cruel host and we are merely specks floating in its rotating awe.

Its harsh but it should go!

Ben C
28-05-2005, 02:02 PM
oops that post was last years......dopey me

Bubo
28-05-2005, 03:19 PM
hahahahaha benc what are you like hahaha dont worry mate i have done that before :lol: but i think if the bird is caused psychological stress then help it out of it's misery. just my imput if your interested hahaha makes you look less silly on your own hahaha

Lady-Luck
28-05-2005, 10:33 PM
re: the kestrel
if this kestrel is capable of feeding itself and getting around with no help or aid ie hospital aid, then this bird could be used for a breeding programme thus a partner would take away all mental stress providing the bird is not suffering form its injuries, kestrels have been known to nest on the ground or in a pigeon nest or a ledge, an avairy for such a bird and partner should not be more than 10ft wide 15 long 8ft high, there should be steps or ladders added to the avairy to give addtional help, to get to a nest ledge or a decent perch providing the avairy is half covered so the bird can get shelter from the rain, then there is no reason these birds will not breed thus giving us pure blood back into the kestrels which in this country do seem to be rather inbred at the moment, but do remember to get permission from defra to obtain article 10 for breeding purposes.
injured kestrels- some with leg injuries and some with wing injuries have been known to live in captivity in a happy environment for up to 10-15 yrs depending on how well they are looked after, i have previous experience of this which i am happy to talk about, and also know several people who have experienced the same thing. without the bird being stressed in any way and the young are very loving young.
due to the fact the youngsters are classed as a f1 coming from a captive bred bird into a wild bird, thus giving you a bigger youngster which can fight disease and bacterias better, than a bird a bird that has been inbred.
several falconry centres in england have tried to get birds bred form wild kestrels int he last 6 years due to the fact that theirs have gotten smaller because they have been bred to close together (relationaly), if we dnt use birds whom are fit to live in avairys with an injury to breed, then we would have to capture wild birds to regenerate the blood and size ---we know this is perfectly illegal and is NOT allowed so please think about what you saying before saying it should be put down.
this is not just directed at kestrels-this goes for barn owls, tawny owls, almost every other bird out there.
please do not take any offence at this post, it not intended ot offend in any manner, this is our opinion and woudl like to share it, and let you have a think about what we have said., many thanks for taking the time to read this.

Bubo
29-05-2005, 07:47 AM
I agree some birds with slight injuries are not caused psychological stress and there fore can be aided and housed to help give a better quality of life. But... there are some that can not adapt to the change and stress will eventually end up killing the bird, i could not put a bird through this my love for the bird would be much stronger that my love to hold onto her. This is certainly not a dig about vomit or any bird that has been through the same experience it is just my way of thinking in general.