ELECTROCUTION

[Bones]

HI everybody had very bad experience this morning took FHH out had couple of flights with her then she decided to wonder off into ajoining field after a couple of pheasant and in doing so landed on a set of low overhead wires then one almighty flash and bird off line on floor dead totally gutted.anybody else ever had a similar experience or was it just a freak on my part well p****d off :( :( :(

[Falcon]

Really sorry to hear that Bones. I've never experienced it myself but I know others that have. One of my bosses peregrine flew into cables and was paralysed down one side of her body. I can only sympathise with you over that and can fully undetstand why you are p****d off, although I would probably of used a lot stronger language myself! All the best mate!

[Milsbon]

ive heard of a few successfull claims against the electricity board regarding this type of thing, might be worth looking in to, i know it wont bring your hawk back, but the money you might get off them will replace it

[North East Harris Hawker]

aw bones, im so sorry to hear of your loss, it happened to a mate of mine called harvey last year, same thing the bird landed on the wire, turned and its tail touched the other, the birds leg stayed on the wire and the rest of it was blown to the ground. such a shame. for you too, i cried when my last bird died and i dont think there is any shame in that, all the time and effort spent with the bird cant be replaced, you probbably wont feel like going out and getting a new one but i tell you this.

put the bird in the freezer and contact a taxidermist, he will give you a few pounds for your bird rather than just burying her, best to get something back and perhaps it might comfort you to know that it might give someone a little enjoyment from looking at her remains in the future

[Wightwings]

gutted for you bones really gutted :cry: there have been succesful claims against power companies but the process is ling winded and painfull.

believe it or not the cntr my missus used to work at had power lines running over botow on the arena. and yes one day a bird did get killed DURING a display. they are insulatd now but shows the stupidity of the owner.

do you have other birds

[Johnny]

Im sorry to hear the bad news bones .
I lost my bird last night and found her this morning ,i was gutted last night though i was close to tears myself .
My sympathy goes with you m8 have you any other birds .
Johnny

[Snudz]

Bad news mate, sorry to hear of your loss.

Andy

[Hawkmaster]

Damn bad luck mate! I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better?

We all need to learn from this and stay away from the small overhead wires and ESPECIALLY their transformers.

I saw this first hand in South African and then again here in the Uk and it lives with you!

[Wightwings]

not sure, i have seen some birds land on them with no effect?? must have been earthed out some how completely ***** luck

[Milsbon]

im no electricity expert but im sure birds can land on one wire and be safe unless a wing or another part touches both wires, but theres always the risk of an arc that can jump across

[Kornie]

really really orry mate. So sorry to hear about that.

[Hawkmaster]

Dave Newby's hybrid falcon got electrocuted after it landed on the positive pot and just the wet jess hung down and made contact with the crossbar that was earthed.

[Darren]

So sorry to hear of this happening.

[Shaun Byrne]

Birds are totally safe on lines unless, as said, they touch accross 2 or between a line and earth. Feathers are in fact quite good insulators, its usually damp or new oily feathers that cause the problem.

Really feel for you mate, what else can I say!!

[Debbie]

Bones,

I am so sorry to hear this, its really devastating news.

I have only ever seen human electrocutions only 1 fatal, but did not see that one actually happen.

Its odd the human ones were sad but I was fine with it reading your post made me feel alittle sick and well gutted.

priorities I hear you cry well they are just fine and satying put - all the humans were their own stupid fault this bird was a terrible accident which is more sad.

our pets are such a part of our lives that a part of us dies too.

It was the worst kind of luck she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

My Mum and Aunt were recently in Alicante and were paddling and a rip tide took them and nearly drowned a life guard saved them and he said it was close. Mum did not get back in the water at a pool and now is scared even the TV scenes of water unsettle her. What I am saying is don't leave it too long before getting another bird this was a tragic twist of fate, nothing more, she had a good life with you and another bird deserves that same chance.

A big hug to you

Debbs

[Sean]

sorry to hear that :(
I think if a bird hits even 1 wire and you are holding a creance while on the ground it can electricute you both :O

[Johnny]

I got electracuted a while back i hit an armoured cable drilling through a purlin the cable was tied under it ?
The only thing that saved was the drill it insulated the shock i got blew 15ft off the roof and landed on a porta cabin i had superficial burns to my face and eyes .
Not nice holding a creance i reckon you,d get a boot of the line

[Kornie]

youwch cabibbles.

[Mr. Fong]

Sorry to hear that Bones, I was crushed when I found my gos was dead. It took all my self control not to throttle the other bird (not mine) I was upset for a week and seriously considered quitting falconry but my wife and a good friend talked me out of it.

[Hawkmaster]

Fong, how did your Gos die?

[North East Harris Hawker]

i had a close shave last week with electricity, i disconnected a faulty power supply unit which was hard wiired in. there was no plug just an inline fuse with a switch next to it, i flicked the switch and the red light went out. ok to get the screwdriver out now (which was insulated) undid the screws and fed the bare ends out of the hole in the side of the PSU. i dont know why but i avoided touching the bare wire whilst removing it. On the final tug the wire touched the PSU casing and there was a massive flash before all the lights went out! luckily i never got belted, so much for the wiring to the fuse and the "safety cut off switch"!

[Bones]

Firstly thanks to everyone who posted there support much appreciated sorry for not being online but was totally p****d off from the time it happened.secondly i have kept the body in freezer till i decide what to do with her can't face it at moment.Thirdly yes i have another bird as stated in other post i used to fly her in a cast with my 2001 MHH,he seems to be acting a little stange since it all happened think he's missing her around not got very far with his training and manning since but now back in action and back on with it from today.and for all those wishing to know she had flown onto them wires last season with no probs can only put it down to being slightly damp(misty)when i took her out and she somehow earthed herself anyway enough said THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT.

[North East Harris Hawker]

glad you are back out there getting involved with your sport mate and i hope you get over this soon
death is inevitable, its coming to us all one day!
sooner for a rabbit colony i know of :twisted:

[Bones]

Hi NEHH yeah its one thing that you could gamble on and not loose :lol:
by the way how many and what birds you flying/hunting this season if you don't mind me asking.

[Mr. Fong]

HM

I weathered my male on a screen perch inside of my shed, I used those trigger clips (all the guys I go with use them at night on their screen perches) that lock into their swivel. Needless to say I had a psychotic female Fin/Ger Gos on the adjacent screen (not my bird) somehow she managed to unclip her clip 1 in a million chance it could've happened and she got loose and killed my boy. Needless to say I was properly F****d off. My other bird was in his night quarters and safe.

[Debbie]

Mr Fong,

What a horrid shock.

I think all bird owners dread the day when their bird is dead when they come to say good morning to it let alone to find what you did.

So sorry, and a hug to you too.

Debbs

[BlackHawke]

i lost my first ever harris like that flew of into a field with overheads slanded on the pole went to take of again and caught both lines. never get that picture out of my head. a couple of days before he had caught his first rabbit. i was gutted

[Gaz]

I think if a bird hits even 1 wire and you are holding a creance while on the ground it can electricute you both :O

Not really,...because you shouldnt have abird on a creance long enough and you shouldnt be training a bird any where near pylons ,trees etc. :mrgreen:

[BlackHawke]

creance will reach smaller pylons but coz the voltage isn't as high as the high voltage larger pylons the string won't conduct

[North East Harris Hawker]

if its a creance made out of nylon it will! remember there is serious voltage going over some of those cables!

[KenHawker1970]

Sorry to here that mate. A great loss. GUTTED

[Bones]

thanks again for all the support but can i just say anybody stupid enough to fly there birds near pylons or any other obsticles whilst on creance needs to stop what there doin have have a closer look at what there doin otherwise they may well be involed in the flash thereselves just think about it you should have always been told never to fly your kite near to or by electric pylons or any where near railway lines when you was a child as i tell my 10 year old lad now :wink:

[BlackHawke]

r u talking in general bones or was that directed anywhere in particular??

[Gaz]

r u talking in general bones or was that directed anywhere in particular??

I would think to anybody stupid enough to do it :!: as i said before you shouldnt be near anything,inc trees(bird can get spooked,shoot off ,get tangled e.t.c.)plus one thing that amazes me is the lenth of creances!!why do anybody need to fly a bird on 100 yrds :idea: 20 ft or 1000 ft,he dont know,he just wants feeding,put him on 20ft,peg it in the middle,pull the food out,tap glove,whistle/call,)whatever you do,) if he hesitates,put him away,if he comes instantly,telemetry on,LET HIM GO. :mrgreen:

[Bones]

Sorry Blackhawke if you think its directed at you or any person in perticular but i'm one for the old saying mate a spades a spade and if i got somthing to say then will say it take it or leave it so sorry if you thought it was directed to you or any person but just stating my oppinion on creance and lines mate and like gaz put very well in my oppinion why fly a bird 100yrds plus on line just take up kite flying if thats your thing.
again just my oppinion :wink:

[BlackHawke]

i lost my first bird on pylons but he wasn't on a creance and wasn't anywhere near one til he decided to fly across a field into the next. i dont think there would be anyone stupid enough on here to actually fly a bird on a creance near a pylon!

[Bones]

Sorry to hear it mate know what you went though still not properly over losing mine on electric cables mate but again like i said just my oppinion :wink:

[KenHawker1970]

Hi Bones, hope your doing alright. Do you have any other birds?
reguards Ken

[Bones]

Hi KEN i've also got 2001 MHH that i flew in a cast with FHH i lost earlier this season power cables

[KenHawker1970]

All is not lost then mate/please dont take that the wrong way mate. Still its a bloody shame adout your Female. all the best for the future mate.
Regards ken

[Bones]

May try getting hands on another FHH to fly with my male as he seems to be a bit lost without her doesn't seem as confident taking quarry on.Yet to catch a rabbit with him this season caught several pheasants a duck and couple of moorhens.

[Wightwings]

strange innit with cast flying, they seem to form a partnership and if it gets broke they lose the edge for a while. good idea about the new fem bones would you want an older bird tho or a newbie?

[Bones]

Never been one for hand me downs mate can have to many bad habits would have to see bird flying first not really bothered about it hunting like to teach that my way :wink:

[BlackHawke]

no disrespect to u bones but as most know on here n has been said before harris's are to easy to train. get a problem bird like mine, take on a challenge!!!!!! :shock:

[Bones]

No what your saying regards HH mate but done my apprentership for 5 years with F redtail so i know to a fashion what a challenge is bred her succesfully and let her go to a freind of mine i then had a break for 12 months and had a hand me down red what a joke that was fine for first few days hunted well but after 4 days screamed the place down mate and when i say scream i mean scream when i approached the T**T who sold me it said "SORRY SOLD AS SEEN CAN'T HELP YOU SORRY" needless to say got my own back at later date so you see i lived and learned mate you know the saying that springs to mind can't teach old dog new tricks :wink:

[BlackHawke]

lol i hope u can teach an old dog otherwise my huntin seasons up the swanny!!! i do know wot u mean bones i know the problems i've had with jade but if it came down to it i would'nt get rid of her. she has got a great little character n has taught me a lot about behaviourism in harris's

[Bones]

Nice to hear it mate no haard feelings eh

[BlackHawke]

course not. i'm an inexperienced austringer just hoping i'm doing the right thing when training my bird. n learnin by my mistakes. plus we r all differenet which ofcourse is no bad thing i would still take on a problem bird. its a challenge!!! :mrgreen:

[KenHawker1970]

GO FOR IT BONES!

[BlackHawke]

am i the bad guy here???

[Bones]

Dont think so mate no offence taken this side just a bit of friendly banter anyway class myself as inexperienced as not took the real challenge of a GOS up yet hope to next year as may let my MHH go into breeding project for a rest so have bit of time on hands :wink:

[KenHawker1970]

Dont be daft Blackhawke its just that weve got are own oppinions mate.Dont take offence muker. Its just that its alwright taking on an older bird but we never now what else comes with deal.
regards Ken

[Bones]

Couldn't have put it better myself ken :roll:

[KenHawker1970]

Blackhawke sorry mate, when i said go for it. I ment in buying a F Harris.
because of the loss of his F harris that died. Sorry if i caused any offence.
Ill keep my nose out next time. sorry/Ken

[BlackHawke]

my comment wasn't meant how it sounded it was meant ot be in jest i'm easy goin everyones got there own ways n opinions. i would never take anything on here seriously unless it was deliberatly meant in such a way! no problems guys no offence taken or meant :D

[Bones]

dont be stupid ken if everybody thought like that there would be no forum :!:

[KenHawker1970]

Cheers lads! Just changed me nappy, im ok now. :P

[Bones]

got few rattles left over from my kids when they were younger if you need a new one mate :wink: :lol:

[Bones]

where's you based anyway ken

[KenHawker1970]

No mate im sorted. Im still slobbering on my little lads toy cars. Brum brum.

[Bones]

I know what you mean scalectrics are great only had kids as excuse to get one :lol:

[KenHawker1970]

Sorry mate just been bombarded with Emails.
Can i just say thanks for the Email Blackhawke, and can i just say dont worry mate i now what you ment mate. No offence taken.cheers matey.
Bones mate Im in stanfields s-o-t.
where are you?

[Bones]

sunny wolverhampton west mids

[KenHawker1970]

Thats a fare walk bones.

[Bones]

call me thick if you wish but what you mean mate

[KenHawker1970]

From mine to yours mate

[Bones]

sorry mate been on 12 hours totally f****D now

[KenHawker1970]

You flow you male harris today mate?

[Bones]

No mate going out in morning early weather looks very promising and he's very keen been in to him tonight

[KenHawker1970]

Whats he like on feather? That F harris of mine is mad for it.That and tree rats. Doest seen to be bothered about bunnys yet.

[Bones]

Loves it mate think nothing of takin on 100 yrd slip on pheasant and smacks ducks and moorhens especially on the water.They made nice cast cause FHH i had was mad on rabbit and feather of any dicription apart from stuff on water she wouldn't entertain it

[KenHawker1970]

Took mine around the local park today. She was baiting of at canadian geese.

[Bones]

Now thats a flight :wink: :lol:

[KenHawker1970]

I wont stop her. Theres 4 ponds on the farm where i go, theres time yet mate. Bit of a ****** geting them in the freezer though

[Bones]

i'm sure you will manage :lol: just hope she doesn't get beat up by the damn things :oops: :lol:

[KenHawker1970]

Just joking Bones. But then again if it happens well

[Bones]

One thing iv'e learned is never under estimate them cause you will be supprised :lol:

[Dave G]

:cry: ive worked with overhead lines for a good few years the bird love to sit on them ,the only thing that can eletrocute a bird is if the touch two cable wires and make a connection which makes them live other wise birds are fine to land on them :roll: :roll: :wink:

[Dave G]

so would not worry to much if you fly around power lines but accidents do happen in all sorts of different ways and places not just around power lines

[Moses]

oh my god, so sorry to hear that mate, i thought birds were ok with all that, u see birds sitting on those wires all the time

im gutted for u mate

[Wilfred]

Dave Newby's hybrid falcon got electrocuted after it landed on the positive pot and just the wet jess hung down and made contact with the crossbar that was earthed.

I have heard and I can imagine the same what happened here with the wet jess could also be caused with the transmitter attached to the BOP. So actually i think when there is some electrocution the transmitter might just be the cause in many cases IF it happens?

[IAmTheWeasel]

I know electrocution all too well........ Here is my bird at the 2004 NAFA meet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Iamtheweasel/Hunting/Valsgone_IMG.jpg

[Bones]

What a terrible site that is mate so sorry
PAUL

[Dave G]

your power lines in America are much different to ours in england yours have got the pots and the wires are closer

[IAmTheWeasel]

Most places are not like this here either. This was in Kansas and they run the ground wire about 6" away from the hot lines into the top of the transformer. You can see her foot still hanging from the ground wire in the picture. Here in Texas, the grounds are about 4' away from the hot lines.

[Coedhirion]

We get wires that close in Wales, Electricity board say they aren't a problem, not even the grey transformer boxes, as birds dont sit on them!!!!!!! :evil: ...If that is so, why did we have a tawny owl (a small bird compared to a kite, or my Harris) dangling from the box for 4 days. I made them come and remove it, but they wont put protectors over unless they feel there is 'significant risk' ... It only takes one time :evil: :evil: The electric cables and poles scare me rotten, they are every where in Wales and not so very high, some about telegraph pole height.