50 oz Goshawk (split thread)

[JHausman]

Would not a 50oz female Finn have bigger feet than a 37oz female Harris?
Jason

[OutFlying]

50 oz female gos - good luck in finding her, hawking squirrels hardly needs the speed of an accipiter. Waste of a gos.

[Matthew Patching]

50 oz female gos - good luck in finding her, hawking squirrels hardly needs the speed of an accipiter. Waste of a gos.

I know of 2 female finnish gosses bred by mick kane this year that are flying at about this weight, one pr at 49oz, and one an imprint flying at 54oz.

[Onyx25]

I know of 2 female finnish gosses bred by mick kane this year that are flying at about this weight, one pr at 49oz, and one an imprint flying at 54oz.

Love to see the 3lb 6 bird who is flying it?

[OutFlying]

Love to see the 3lb 6 bird who is flying it?


I like to see the odds of anyone buying a finnish female in this country and the breeder guaranteeing a true hunting weight approaching 3lb 6ozs for a first year goshawk.

Jim.

[OutFlying]

I know of 2 female finnish gosses bred by mick kane this year that are flying at about this weight, one pr at 49oz, and one an imprint flying at 54oz.

Does Mick know ?

[Matthew Patching]

Does Mick know ?

I have no idea.

The 54oz imprint is in wales, but have only been told about it.

The 49oz pr is in yorkshire, and is currently not being flown, due to a fence collision about 10 days ago.

[Onyx25]

I like to see the odds of anyone buying a finnish female in this country and the breeder guaranteeing a true hunting weight approaching 3lb 6ozs for a first year goshawk.

Jim.

Never happen as even big birds throw some smaller young and alot is down to the falconer not the breeder.

[Kevin Massey]

Ive split this post and it had a different agenda from what the origonal thread was about....would also make an interesting thread on its own

[Eznugud]

I like to see the odds of anyone buying a finnish female in this country and the breeder guaranteeing a true hunting weight approaching 3lb 6ozs for a first year goshawk.

Jim.

This day and age I think the odds would be very very low at best
During the late 70s early to mid 80`s you wouldn’t look twice at a Finnish female flying a 3lb +, now they seem to be very few and far between.
I remember Passage Finnish Males flying a 2lb 2oz come December.

I know of one 2007 Finnish female that’s flying at 3lb 2oz {ish}, she was breed by Mick.
Like to add that she’s no dumpling flying at that weight, she was knocking Pheasant down every day until she hit a sheep fence last week……….Looked touch and go for a while, bleeding from the mouth, eyes and had massive indentation just above the cere………She’s wheezing a little and her beak is cracked all the way across on the inside………vets given her a 90% chance of getting over it.

[Andrew Connor]

Would not a 50oz female Finn have bigger feet than a 37oz female Harris?
Jason

I would think so 50 oz is a monster goss

[Yeoman]

This day and age I think the odds would be very very low at best
During the late 70s early to mid 80`s you wouldn’t look twice at a Finnish female flying a 3lb +, now they seem to be very few and far between.
I remember Passage Finnish Males flying a 2lb 2oz come December.

I know of one 2007 Finnish female that’s flying at 3lb 2oz {ish}, she was breed by Mick.
Like to add that she’s no dumpling flying at that weight, she was knocking Pheasant down every day until she hit a sheep fence last week……….Looked touch and go for a while, bleeding from the mouth, eyes and had massive indentation just above the cere………She’s wheezing a little and her beak is cracked all the way across on the inside………vets given her a 90% chance of getting over it.

Does this bird belong to Keith Noble ?heard his bird had fence collision not long back

[Goldie]

I know of one 2007 Finnish female that’s flying at 3lb 2oz {ish}, she was breed by Mick.
Like to add that she’s no dumpling flying at that weight, she was knocking Pheasant down every day until she hit a sheep fence last week……….Looked touch and go for a while, bleeding from the mouth, eyes and had massive indentation just above the cere………She’s wheezing a little and her beak is cracked all the way across on the inside………vets given her a 90% chance of getting over it.

Here's hoping, would be tragic to see such a fine bird being retired.

[Brady]

Me an my mate took his finnish female out the pen the other day she weighed in that night emty at what i thought was very heavy 4lb 1oz.
She is twice the size of my finnish male who came out at 2lb 1/2 oz.

[Andrew Connor]

Me an my mate took his finnish female out the pen the other day she weighed in that night emty at what i thought was very heavy 4lb 1oz.
She is twice the size of my finnish male who came out at 2lb 1/2 oz.

Dude 4lb.1oz Were in liverpool does he live id love to see that baby fly

[Brady]

He lives in huyton .
We will be getting out very soon e ha .

[Andrew Connor]

He lives in huyton .
We will be getting out very soon e ha .

So do i

[Onyx25]

This day and age I think the odds would be very very low at best
During the late 70s early to mid 80`s you wouldn’t look twice at a Finnish female flying a 3lb +, now they seem to be very few and far between.
I remember Passage Finnish Males flying a 2lb 2oz come December.

I know of one 2007 Finnish female that’s flying at 3lb 2oz {ish}, she was breed by Mick.
Like to add that she’s no dumpling flying at that weight, she was knocking Pheasant down every day until she hit a sheep fence last week……….Looked touch and go for a while, bleeding from the mouth, eyes and had massive indentation just above the cere………She’s wheezing a little and her beak is cracked all the way across on the inside………vets given her a 90% chance of getting over it.
They do exsist I have a bird here that last time I weighed her was 4 lb 4, they are few and far between. Alot depends on how people fly and weigh their birds, some only fly game birds and arn't too bothered about instant responses, some weigh first thing in the morning, some weigh with tail guards, also there are huge variations in scales. Each on their own dosen't come to that much but compound all these things and you can have huge differences in weights (also add an ounce or so of b/s :lol:). I have very rarely bought a bird that flys at the weights I have been given from the previous owner but I weigh just before I fly and like a bird to come back instantly no matter what. Still 3.2 first season is very big.

[OutFlying]

Me an my mate took his finnish female out the pen the other day she weighed in that night emty at what i thought was very heavy 4lb 1oz.
She is twice the size of my finnish male who came out at 2lb 1/2 oz.


Fat weight means very little, I'm flying a male imprint true hunting weight bred by Mick at 2-1 3/4 - it's penning weight was 2-3, it's fat weight would be approaching 2-7+.


Not many pr female finnish first year goshawks in this country fly at 50ozs - they are a rarity,

All the best,

Jim.

[GoodFooter]

Fat weight means very little, I'm flying a male imprint true hunting weight bred by Mick at 2-1 3/4 - it's penning weight was 2-3, it's fat weight would be approaching 2-7+.


Not many pr female finnish first year goshawks in this country fly at 50ozs - they are a rarity,

All the best,

Jim.

I agree.fat weights are very deceiving. First gos fat weight 2lb 12oz started hunting 2lb 6oz ....current gos fat weight 2lb 12oz started hunting 2lb 2oz. close to a 10% difference between the two.... and guess highlights that some birds are fatter than others just like us humans.

[Ben C]

Just tooooooooooooo big either way.

[Onyx25]

Just tooooooooooooo big either way.

Maybe but its not the point :yawinkle: be bloody good at hares and the equivalent male would be the dogs balls!

[Ben C]

Maybe but its not the point :yawinkle: be bloody good at hares and the equivalent male would be the dogs balls!

Still toooooooooo big. :rolleyes:

[Ben C]

.....................my arm muscles are now under developed....so I couldn't carry one anyway.

[GoodFooter]

Just tooooooooooooo big either way.

ah but a 3lb gos taking an 8lb hare is the same weight ratio as a 10oz spar taking a 1lb 10oz hen phessie :idea: take your point though a spar doesnt make your arm ache:lol:

[OutFlying]

ah but a 3lb gos taking an 8lb hare is the same weight ratio as a 10oz spar taking a 1lb 10oz hen phessie :idea: take your point though a spar doesnt make your arm ache:lol:

neither does a male finnish :supz:

[GoodFooter]

neither does a male finnish :supz:

tell me about it! I'm getting weak in my old age and am still very confused as to how I ended up with a female.......I'm supposedly mean too, the £600 difference between the two could have paid for a new elbow joint which I'll need from lugging her around:yawinkle:

[OutFlying]

tell me about it! I'm getting weak in my old age and am still very confused as to how I ended up with a female.......I'm supposedly mean too, the £600 difference between the two could have paid for a new elbow joint which I'll need from lugging her around:yawinkle:


You'll learn :lol:

[Redeye]

neither does a male finnish :supz:
And if you get a male finnish fit , he will keep you fit retrieving him:supz:

So now you all know how I maintain my exceptional physique!:lol:

[M & J Raptors]

This day and age I think the odds would be very very low at best
During the late 70s early to mid 80`s you wouldn’t look twice at a Finnish female flying a 3lb +, now they seem to be very few and far between.
I remember Passage Finnish Males flying a 2lb 2oz come December.

I know of one 2007 Finnish female that’s flying at 3lb 2oz {ish}, she was breed by Mick.
Like to add that she’s no dumpling flying at that weight, she was knocking Pheasant down every day until she hit a sheep fence last week……….Looked touch and go for a while, bleeding from the mouth, eyes and had massive indentation just above the cere………She’s wheezing a little and her beak is cracked all the way across on the inside………vets given her a 90% chance of getting over it.

Hi Shaun

I hand picked that female gos for keith, if anyone deserved such a fine hawk then it was that lad,

he needs some good luck after the last couple of season, i hope to god that his female is ok after the accident on the sheep fence yet again, asper is my only worry.:evil:

mick

[Ben C]

neither does a male finnish :supz:

Or a german one......:supz:



Does anyone breed from 'old' english/scottish/welsh stock if there is such a sub-species...:?:

[Onyx25]

Or a german one......:supz:



Does anyone breed from 'old' english/scottish/welsh stock if there is such a sub-species...:?:

No such thing anymore!

[Eznugud]

Hi Shaun

I hand picked that female gos for keith, if anyone deserved such a fine hawk then it was that lad,

he needs some good luck after the last couple of season, i hope to god that his female is ok after the accident on the sheep fence yet again, asper is my only worry.:evil:

mick

Your spot on Mick about Keith………2 Goshawks killed in action in 2 seasons, but if I’m honest I wasn’t surprised when he told me this one had hit a fence.
Keith fly’s and hunts his goshawk every day and the chances of accidents are lot more than that of the weekend warriors.

You did pick him a cracker out Mick; here she is a few days out of the pen……with young Bradley doing a bit of manning for Keith.

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[Jastreb]

Impressive bird Mick!!!!

Cheers Viktor

[Eznugud]

Hi Shaun

I hand picked that female gos for keith, if anyone deserved such a fine hawk then it was that lad,

he needs some good luck after the last couple of season, i hope to god that his female is ok after the accident on the sheep fence yet again, asper is my only worry.:evil:

mick

Just got off the phone with Keith….

The Gos died at the Vets today…
Seems a bit suspect to me though, vet says she died of asper

Without going into all the ins and outs {mainly because I type with one finger} she hit the fence last week, had a few days off, caught a few rabbits & pheasant after hitting the fence, noticed she was breathing heavy on kills, taken back to vet regarding heavy breathing two days ago and put on antibiotics and told to bring her back if she got any worse.
She was 3lb 4oz and holding, good appetite but breathing seemed a little worse so was taken back to and left at the vets were she died while they were operating on her…….cause asper?
According to the vet she had asper for about 3 weeks………doesn’t add up to me, I’m no expert but I wouldn’t have thought she would have held her weight and nailed over 15 head in the last 3 weeks if she had asper all that time…..

[M & J Raptors]

Just got off the phone with Keith….

The Gos died at the Vets today…
Seems a bit suspect to me though, vet says she died of asper

Without going into all the ins and outs {mainly because I type with one finger} she hit the fence last week, had a few days off, caught a few rabbits & pheasant after hitting the fence, noticed she was breathing heavy on kills, taken back to vet regarding heavy breathing two days ago and put on antibiotics and told to bring her back if she got any worse.
She was 3lb 4oz and holding, good appetite but breathing seemed a little worse so was taken back to and left at the vets were she died while they were operating on her…….cause asper?
According to the vet she had asper for about 3 weeks………doesn’t add up to me, I’m no expert but I wouldn’t have thought she would have held her weight and nailed over 15 head in the last 3 weeks if she had asper all that time…..

Shaun

Im bloody gutted for keith, it seems strange that once again a bird dies on the vets operating table :confused:

a bird that was eating well and holding weight does not die 6 hours later without some explanation. asper is a killer but not in that time zone, i hope keith can get some answers soon.

mick

[BlackShaheen10]

more a septicemia than an asper to me....

[SparsTheOne]

Thats terrible news,I dont know this guy but I sure do feel sorry for him,to lose 1 bird would be bad enough BUT to lose 3 in as many seasons must be soul destroying.


jase.

[Stu Bailey]

to lose 1 bird would be bad enough BUT to lose 3 in as many seasons must be soul destroying.


jase.

Shocking....just pure bad luck......

[Jastreb]

Shaun

Im bloody gutted for keith, it seems strange that once again a bird dies on the vets operating table :confused:

a bird that was eating well and holding weight does not die 6 hours later without some explanation. asper is a killer but not in that time zone, i hope keith can get some answers soon.

mick

It took 48 hour when my last male died from asper. He started to breath heavy with sound, we went out, he refused flight on quail, I took him back home, sent to vet, that was Sunday evening, on Tuesday afternoon he was dead!

[Yeoman]

I no Keith really well and have hunted with him on my land at brough on numerous occaitions, really really nice bloke i just cant belive his terrible luck i have just been informed over the phone what has happened:cry:
Kev

[Parabuteo.de]

Hi Kev,

so when you are located near brough we could make a stop on our next scotlandtrip when we are on our way to the annual fall hawking holidays?

ATB,

Claas :o))

[Yeoman]

Hi Kev,

so when you are located near brough we could make a stop on our next scotlandtrip when we are on our way to the annual fall hawking holidays?

ATB,

Claas :o))

Iwill sort something out
Kev

[Darryl]

Shocking....just pure bad luck......
Hello, I have been on the forum a few years from when it first started, but I don't post so much these days since I stopped flying my Red tails, I still keep an eye on things though.
I work with Keith Noble, and am a very close friend, he is devasteated by the death of this bird, he worked harder than at any other time to get this bird right, for those who know, this Gos was a real handful at first, but Keiths acknowledge skills turned this bird round, when most people would have carried on dropping a birds weight, Keith raised it, and had great success in steadying this young bird, the guy has great skills and foresight with hunting birds, it was flown six days a week, and killed everytime it was out, I can not remember this bird blanking, my brother who goes out with Keith 90% of the time, and has seen the tragedys that have be fallen Keith over the last few seasons was amazed at how fast this bird was, at the weight it was flying at, and he has seen a few I can tell you.
Keith gave me a few rabbits for my EEO, and this Gos had broke them in two !
I know what has happend has drained Keith, especially with the bad luck over the previous seasons, and the extreme effort he put into gaining the trust of what was a very akward bird at first, this season. I can't imagine he would take another bird on this year, but come next year he will be back stronger than ever, this guy is the a true gent in the field, especially when your digging a rabbit out with your arm down the hole and he is sat on your head, the tw+t :-) nice to end the post on a light note..... Has Keith says you live by the sword and you die by the sword, good luck to Keith next year, when I'm sure you will here about is exploits with is next Gos, regards Darryl.