Sheds?

[Sean]

OK guys i visited B and Q today and a shed that looked ideal and would fit perfectly into our garden. I went on there site and here it is
http://www.bandq.com/diy/jsp/bq/product/product.jsp?&CATID=183000&PRODID=5910003
do you think i should buy this and replace the windows with mesh. If i make mews they wont look good trust me lol. but this will :D also do you think its the ideal size for a hh or too small? Will it do as a weathering too with the 3 windows?(the look bigger in real life lol)

p.s im looking for a budget of about 250 quid so if you think i should get something different please say.

[Ian Wileman]

I have a pent shed. More usable space. Have a look at one. Also easier to put avairy on side with pophole for bird.

[Falcon]

Be careful sean of B and Q stuff you get what you pay for!!

[Jiff]

sean when i decided to take up falconry,i already hada concrete base,as you know i got my design from emma ford,slightly adjusted to fit my base,it cost me 200 quid in wood and 120 cans of carling to build,i'm no joiner but the end result is admirable,anyone can use atape measure a drill and bang a nil in,i don't think you can purchase a mew(or a fond mothers smile) and you certainly can't buy the blaney,

[Hawkmaster]

Whatever you decide, go for bars not mesh.

[Ian Wileman]

Jiff, no offence mate, but read your last post.....are you ****ed in there kidder? What is a nil? Is your shed stood on 120 cans of carling? WHAT the **** is the blaney? lol. Shat, I wont some of what your on.

[TonyDunn]

if any1 wants mews /sheds stables or dog kennels building a friend of mine will build them cheaper than anywhere .

[TonyDunn]

sorry didn't want 2 post again but he said if u tell him size and show him any design uwant be it from books or off the net he can build them 4 u .

[Sean]

I have a pent shed. More usable space. Have a look at one. Also easier to put avairy on side with pophole for bird.
what about this then?
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/product/product.jsp?CATID=183009&entryFlag=false&PRODID=17 5980&paintCatId=

or even this
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/product/product.jsp?CATID=183009&entryFlag=false&PRODID=77 455&paintCatId=
then can add a weathering onto it

[Mary Quite Contrary]

OK guys i visited B and Q today and a shed that looked ideal and would fit perfectly into our garden. I went on there site and here it is
http://www.bandq.com/diy/jsp/bq/product/product.jsp?&CATID=183000&PRODID=5910003
do you think i should buy this and replace the windows with mesh. If i make mews they wont look good trust me lol. but this will :D also do you think its the ideal size for a hh or too small? Will it do as a weathering too with the 3 windows?(the look bigger in real life lol)

p.s im looking for a budget of about 250 quid so if you think i should get something different please say.

Aldo to you

Dont bother with the shed from BQ, they arent very good.
Have a think and sit down with a pencil and paper and do some plans.
For that amount of money you could buy plenty of materials.
If your not handy Andy then just take your time and do things one step at a time. You will get alot more for your money doing it this way and your bird will hopefully have a nice Mews/ weathering.

Regards
What bird are you thinking of putting in that shed?

[Ian Wileman]

Why B and Q? Lok elswhere. Check the thickness of the boarding! but yes, that is a pent shed, and look....you get seven foot of usable height.

[Sean]

ill be getting a harris hopefully
yea 7ft will come in hand cos im 6foot 4 lol, dont like hiting my head :P

[Falcon]

Like I said earlier you get what you pay for!!!!!!!

[Mary Quite Contrary]

ill be getting a harris hopefully
yea 7ft will come in hand cos im 6foot 4 lol, dont like hiting my head :P

Is this going to be the birds only housing.

[Sean]

I hope :S

[Mary Quite Contrary]

I hope :S

I would do some rethinking.
Take your time and try to build the biggest weathering you can.
Cover some of the roof with onduline and then make a nightquarters out of 6 sheets of 8" by 4" marine plywood cut in half and screwed together. Attached this to your weathering it will last longer and be better for you and the bird than a shed made from matchsticks.

Dont waste your money on that shed.

[Sean]

im sorta restricted to 8 foot by 6 foots in total, unless i put it in the middle of a patio and looks outa place, hmm

[Mary Quite Contrary]

ok
but dont buy the BQ shed

[Sean]

ok lol, ill draw a few plans tomorrow, and would u mind giving me pointers on wot to fix?

[David & Carol Newby]

[quote="Sean"]OK guys i visited B and Q today and a shed that looked ideal and would fit perfectly into our garden.

Hey Sean, I agree with Hawkmaster, Bars in the window and if you keep spacky birds, aka Goshawks, Just line the barred window with netlon. I wouldn't put shelves in it. a Block or Bow perch would work fine. Also remind the misses not to keep a compost pile near it.
Good Hawking, ~Carol

[Sean]

with a harris should i use something like scaffington netting or will it catch the birds talons?

[David & Carol Newby]

I wouldn't use any netting (I don't and we have 7) Harris' aren't that mad. They are the most intelligent Hawks we know!

[Sean]

This afternoon i got out my books and drew up a plan, there is a birds eye view and also and side view.I remeasured the place where i hope to put the mews and found out the shed wouldnt fit anyway lol. I would appreciate it if people could point me in the right direction with comments on what i should fix ect. also will it be wide enough because im told a HH has a 3 foot wingspan.How much do you think it would cost?

p.s the pics are massive so it may be better to save them and view on another program

[Sean]

Ohh sorry i forgot to mention, I hope to use this for the bird to sleep and moult in, as well as use as a weathering. I wont be adding the branches on untill its free lofted

[The New Kid]

Falcon... How much would you're friend charge for a 4m long, 2m wide, 2m tall shed, partitioned off halfway (So i have 2 2x2x2 sheds attatched, pretty much)

[David & Carol Newby]

Hey Sean, Just checking back in. I read over some of the posts, Mark and I are on the same train of thought. I now know you are tall, but this is for a bird. You have to bend over to untie it off the perch. I'm 5'3" and I still have to bend as well. You are in and out so quickly... And you are on a budget why make it larger than it needs? Here is my new Harris Female Arley (we expect her to fly at 2lb. 5oz as an adult like her mom). She has plenty of room to do all birdy things, and when she is 3 years old I plan to mover her to a 16ft x 8ft x 8ft high flight with a good hunting male Harris. Best of Luck, Your Friend Across the Pond, Carol

[Sean]

very nice :D, thats one mega bow perch you got there hehe

[Darren]

David & Carol Newby, could you show us more pics of your mews/weathering with dimensions....it looks good in the pics above.

cheers
Daz

[Hawkmaster]

Interesting size bowperch? What are the benefits? Is it safe?

[David & Carol Newby]

David & Carol Newby, could you show us more pics of your mews/weathering with dimensions....it looks good in the pics above.

cheers
Daz

Hey Daz! Check the album public and our personal one. Thanks, Carol

[David & Carol Newby]

Interesting size bowperch? What are the benefits? Is it safe?

Hawkmaster why all the questions? The size helps keep the bird up off the ground to avoid any frost bite (yes, even in Alabama, we are in the North.) Yes, it is safe. The 5" ring allows the bird to move freely under. over and about the perch while in the mew and the weathering lawn. We make them in Stainless. Thanks, ~Carol

[David & Carol Newby]

Oops! I didn't mean to spam. But it is our type of design. Carol

[Hawkmaster]

Carol, don't get all offensive! We are all here to learn, I wanted to know why? Personally I could not see the reason, as frost never came to my mind, as we do not have that problem here.

From a safety point I would like to point out to any novices just some problems that they may encounter with large tall bowperches.

1. Due to the height, the ring will not pull over to the other side
2. Astroturf restricts the ring from smoothly being pulled over
3. If the leash is too long the bird will get caught up and may twist around the top of the bow, once caught on the astro.
4. Long leashes will allow birds to get up some speed and therefore may break legs or injure chests, when bating.

Why not just use a shelf perch and free loft them or is this used only during training?

Above you mention MEW do you mean 'mews' or are they weatherings?

[Saker-Clive]

Nice website,
It's good to see centre owners joining in on this site. I'm suprised you got the time to come online and play :wink:

[Wightwings]

didnt know it was SOO warm down there HM, what no frost EVER wow that southern gulf stream is amazing :roll:

[Hawkmaster]

No, but is 19" going to stop wing tip problems? Or does one have to be higher?

[David & Carol Newby]

Hey we build our bow perches BIG here. EVERYTHING is BIG in AMERICA! Hey it helps if you have a bad back too mate!!!
And more importantly it has never tipped over or had the astro turf restict the ring as the ring is 5 inches in diameter and 3mm thick. Bateing is really kept to a minimum BECAUSE the perch is sufficiently HIGH and the bird feels secure!!! Height gives SECURITY. Oh yeah and we have yet to have a bird get VERTIGO! Regards Dave

[David & Carol Newby]

Hey Sean about your drawing! Can I book 3 nights in your new complex. It looks good with plenty of room for the kids! Oh and I can bring a hawk or 2! ha ha Just kidding... got to have a laugh now and again! Dave

[Sean]

lol
so do you think the size is big enough as im told a HH has a wingspan of 3ft lol and its only 5ft wide. would that structure do as an all in one?

[David & Carol Newby]

Carol, don't get all offensive! We are all here to learn, I wanted to know why? Personally I could not see the reason, as frost never came to my mind, as we do not have that problem here.


Why not just use a shelf perch and free loft them or is this used only during training?

Above you mention MEW do you mean 'mews' or are they weatherings?

I guess I have to be careful about typo's like yourself Hawkmaster!

I wasn't being offensive; I was wondering why You would ask such a question with All your vast knowledge.

I use a ledge type shelf in mewS for Falcons only (a block in a pinch if I need to put a falcon in a hawk mewS) and the ledge is about 24 inches off the floor. I don't like to free loft because I believe a Falconer should always have control of his or her bird.

Weathering is done on the lawn. A mews is a birds home.

Hey Paul is more than one mews called mewses??
~Carol

[Hawkmaster]

Well Carol, I like to ask questions, because I do not know everything or think I do, and that way people like me and those that also do not know what you do, can be informed and learn.

That is what the forum is about.

[David & Carol Newby]

Sean, Dave said to let you know that he was glad you LOL with him.

With a quick look at the drawing the mews looks Huge.

He says that you would be better with the 6ft x 6ft. and Just let the bird out onto the lawn each day. Keep it manned through the moult with a hardy diet of quail. If you are not in a sunny area add vitamins (vitahawk) to also aide in a good moult He also wanted you to know he placed his best hunting HH in an 8ft x 8ft pen and within 10 days he was wild (he was placed there awaiting a female we had gotten from UT). ~Carol

[Sean]

Carol I dont think it will be safe to leave the bird out on the lawn as there are many cats around my way, and the guy behind us owns pigeons so i wouldnt want it to bate all day long. :(

[David & Carol Newby]

Carol I dont think it will be safe to leave the bird out on the lawn as there are many cats around my way, and the guy behind us owns pigeons so i wouldnt want it to bate all day long. :(

A well manned, full HH wont bate. We have cats as well and we haven't had a problem. If a cat digs it's way into the mews, get a shovel to bury the tail and backbone of the cat. We have German Shorthaird Pointers as well and our new birds get vocal until they get use to the dogs. Then training starts for both untill the dogs are broke.

[Sean]

couldnt a cat leap of a fence and kill a hawk? or would the hawk kill the cat lol

[David & Carol Newby]

I'd put money on the hawk over the cat. I learned a lesson after another falconer moved my Falcon too close to my Harris I nearly lost my Falcon (1lb. 12oz.) to the Hawk (1 lb 4oz). The falconer learned 2 things: He bleeds when 2 BOP are trying to kill each other! And he can't move my birds after I set them out with out asking anymore! Thankfully my birds didn't get a good grip and we were quick enough to get to them. I ended up with a bad bite but I still was able to fly the birds that day. And Yes, Dave was MAD!

Please don't let this happen to any of you. Know the length of your leashs and add 2 or 3 more feet. ~Carol

[Sean]

He also wanted you to know he placed his best hunting HH in an 8ft x 8ft pen and within 10 days he was wild (he was placed there awaiting a female we had gotten from UT). ~Carol

So do birds become aggresive if given too much space?

lol sorry about all these questions

[David & Carol Newby]

Hey Sean, I have seen some mews in Georgia that are open with just a roof. A converted Dog Kennel. The bottom line is a Hawk is a wild bird. In the wild it doesn't have shelter and wouldn't know how to use one if it was open for it. So what ever you chose to do will be fine Just keep it free of objects it can get hung on. I'm sure you'll have a happy and healthy bird because you care.

Another option is you could keep it in your house like HM.

Good Hawking, ~Carol

[Sean]

so you recomend a enclosed mews ?

[David & Carol Newby]

BOP forget. Harris are a Hawk you can put up for 5 days and he'll still love you. He's that bright. Others go back wild. Not fully but enough to fustrate you. Having BOP requires time loads of time and money. The reward is an awesome bird. These are topics we talk about when we do demonstrations and classes.

I don't know everything but I read and I work with my birds these are things they do. We have 12 and 3 more on the way and my daughter is getting a Red Tail as well.

Anything I post for you all I post as a friend and you are welcome to copy it. If you need more info on things Please ask!

Hawkmaster does know quite a lot and I believe it was from being friends with my husband and other Great Falconers such as yourselves. I enjoy this site. Thank You! ~Carol

[David & Carol Newby]

so you recomend a enclosed mews ?
Yeah, I do. I have this bird, it's a wild bird even though it was bred in captivity and now I want to treat it the best I can. I love my birds. I protect it the best way I can. It can't sit tight to a tree or low in a bush or in a cactus. I even build bird houses for other BOP and have them in fields across the property.

[Sean]

Have you seen gaz's mews? Should i build something like that?

[North East Harris Hawker]

i would spend your money on 120 cans of lager and give them all to jiff, its amazing what he's done at his place
:shock: :D

[Darren]

how many feet per litre of beer does it cover?

[Jiff]

hey guy's this is no joke,on my day's off i used to go to the pub to meet my mates,after a few pints i couldnt be bothered to get out back,my wife would be on my case about the state of the place,so about 2 years ago one day i baught some cans put some music on and got cracking,never looked back since,completely cleared my garden,laid borders,graveled half,built some pretty mean decking built a neat looking mew,and next a ferret run then the dog run all under the influance(sometimes greatly)
a famous quote,my mate was working at a house 2 doors away(he's a window fitter) his boss spies my decking, o thats my mates he says,he must be a joiner is he, is he ***** he's a alchoholic mechanic,replies my mate.........probably true...ish.

[North East Harris Hawker]

jiff, you will have to get some pictures of your garden posted, it looks like goundforce have been round!

[Mikey]

I have just constructed my mews! After reading/ getting loadso info from this site.In the end i bought an 8'x5' pent shed,wich i will use for wieghing room, kit,fridge-freezer etc.The mews is constructed seperately,but fixed to the shed,and made of 3x2 and external ply( xternal ply is fairly cheap)And sealed for xtra life!The wood cost me 130 quid,from a local timber/decking firm.The shed came from NO FRILLS! at 170 quid.YEAH YEAH!!! i know i could have done it cheaper,wich is my point ...at last! like mark says,even if ur chippy skills only go as far as choppin fire would,u can make a really good mews..workshop etc with 250 quid....just sit down and draw it /work it out on paper/talk to m8s that may know how and take your time.I'm chuffed to bits with mine!

[Mikey]

cos i thought you guys had gone off thread some what!!lol

[Mary Quite Contrary]

well done mate!

wheres the pictures.

[Newbie FHH]

Hurrah - two things I've been looking for!! Using sheds & also cats:

1) There is a pretty good shed at B&Q we like and although some of you think they're c***p, what do you think of this for a first timer? (The Apex Double Door)
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/category/category.jsp?CATID=8050101&linktype=HP_Favourites

2) I have a pet cat - will this be a problem? She's 10 and she's fairly easygoing but I think she will stay clear of our HH unless the basic primal instinct kicks in!! Anyone got any experiences??

[Skeld]

Cats and birds do not mix! NEVER leave your bird in a situation where a cat can get to it otherwise there will be blood and tears!

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Hurrah - two things I've been looking for!! Using sheds & also cats:

1) There is a pretty good shed at B&Q we like and although some of you think they're c***p, what do you think of this for a first timer? (The Apex Double Door)
http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/category/category.jsp?CATID=8050101&linktype=HP_Favourites

2) I have a pet cat - will this be a problem? She's 10 and she's fairly easygoing but I think she will stay clear of our HH unless the basic primal instinct kicks in!! Anyone got any experiences??



Hi

What and where are you going to incorporate your bird into to this.

[Saker-Clive]

My next door neighbours 8 cats don't come in the garden any more :lol: once that I've seen, a cat from over the back came in and took an interest in my HH; put both front paws up against the mesh.............................................. ..............................meoooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooow, got a talon through it's paw :supz: hasn't come in the garden since.

[Mr_Colin]

Has anyone ever had any accidents with cats while out hunting?

[Newbie FHH]

What and where are you going to incorporate your bird into to this

Not quite sure to be honest Perhaps I wasn't listening too well when he described what he was going to do!

I'm pretty sure when he reads this tonight I'll get an a**e kicking!! :oops:

[BlueHawk]

Has anyone ever had any accidents with cats while out hunting?

Like the use of "accidents" :D

[Mr_Colin]

Well I wasn't going to say "Has anyone Hunted Cats by mistake"

[BlueHawk]

Well I wasn't going to say "Has anyone Hunted Cats by mistake"

Well, you've said it now...

What colour of Dummy do you use for that then??

:twisted:

[BrianM]

tortoiseshell

[Saker-Clive]

Siamese :lol: thats Kiers fav.

[BlueHawk]

Had to be falconer that first commented that you couldn't swing a cat in here...

[Adam Barrett]

Well I wasn't going to say "Has anyone Hunted Cats by mistake

i know that they hunt cats with eagles and gos hawks in the Czech Republic-anything 50 yards from a dewling is fair game! :lol: :twisted:

thats the life :mrgreen:

[Mr_Colin]

Willow had a good look at a black cat once, but I had hold of her jesses so she could get to it. Bated at my grey cat once, the cats ran in terror. Bloody funny though.

[Goldie]

[Hunted Cats by mistake

i know that they hunt cats with eagles and gos hawks in the Czech Republic-anything 50 yards from a dewling is fair game! :lol: :twisted:
:[/quote]

Funny you should mention that Adam :lol: I've got them on my quarry taken list as well as a border terrier :roll: