Finnish Goshawk breeders

[Lee Brindley]

My apologies if this has been discussed before but I have looked through the threads and cant find anything....Can anybody reccomend any breeders of parent reared finnish goshawks (in UK)? Does somebody breed the 'best' birds? Are any inbred? Or are they all the same really?

Cheers...

Lee.

[OutFlying]

Nobody breeds the best, some may be inbred and no their not all the same.

Do you want a recommandation of a suitable person to buy a finnish gos from ?

Jim.

[Lee Brindley]

Nobody breeds the best, some may be inbred and no their not all the same.

Do you want a recommandation of a suitable person to buy a finnish gos from ?

Jim.

Yes please. :D

[MickeyDredd]

Yes please. :D

Does that now constitute a wanted advert? :wink::D

[Lee Brindley]

And people say that gos flyers are stuck up and arrogant :roll:.....but just look at all the help I am getting! LOL. :lol:

[OutFlying]

Hello Lee,
Plenty of decent breeders, someone has always something bad to say about all of them :lol:

What sex of finnish are you after ?

Jim.

[Lee Brindley]

Hello Lee,
Plenty of decent breeders, someone has always something bad to say about all of them :lol:

What sex of finnish are you after ?

Jim.

Yeah there seems to be a lot of conflicting opinions. I have always thought that the training is much more important than the breeding but I think its always worth paying extra if it really makes a difference. Thought I would look into it now as I dont know how soon you would have to get a deposite down with the 'best' breeders.

I am looking for a male for next season.

Thanks for the help. :D

[OutFlying]

It would seem strange if all goshawks were the same, racing pigeons have certain lines, gun dog have certain lines, racing horses have certain lines etc etc - why not goshawks ?

[Sprout]

Does Sam know??:lol: Sure she'll be chuffed you out with your Finnish while she is stuck at home with the new imprint:eek:

[Lee Brindley]

Does Sam know??:lol: Sure she'll be chuffed you out with your Finnish while she is stuck at home with the new imprint:eek:

LOL. Yeah I actually said I would take a season out when the sprog comes along but Sam told me not to. She knows I would go mental not flying anything!

[Keith Barker]

hello lee,
when you say parent reared what are you looking for?
parent reared in total seclusion hatched and raised, parent reared from day ten after being hatched in an incubator brooded and placed back in a seclusion aviary with no contact from the breeder until the eyass is pulled at around ten weeks of age .
or hatched in an incubator brooded artificially and then placed back in an aviary with a female goshawk (imprint) then reared in open view to all that is going on around the eyass in the nest.

some people have different opinions on a parent reared hawk,how it is reared must a question you ask to the breeder before ordering your finnish goshawk.
keith

[AlexB]

hello lee,
when you say parent reared what are you looking for?
parent reared in total seclusion hatched and raised, parent reared from day ten after being hatched in an incubator brooded and placed back in a seclusion aviary with no contact from the breeder until the eyass is pulled at around ten weeks of age .
or hatched in an incubator brooded artificially and then placed back in an aviary with a female goshawk (imprint) then reared in open view to all that is going on around the eyass in the nest.

some people have different opinions on a parent reared hawk,how it is reared must a question you ask to the breeder before ordering your finnish goshawk.
keith

Well put, I think all breeders should have to certify whether the birds are true p/r or raised by an imprint etc. To claim a bird is p/r when raised in an open front aviary is stretching p/r.

Even though I had problems with my tiercel this year, I think this breeder still produces the best Goshawks in the country for size and hunting quality.

Alex

[Lee Brindley]

hello lee,
when you say parent reared what are you looking for?
parent reared in total seclusion hatched and raised, parent reared from day ten after being hatched in an incubator brooded and placed back in a seclusion aviary with no contact from the breeder until the eyass is pulled at around ten weeks of age .
or hatched in an incubator brooded artificially and then placed back in an aviary with a female goshawk (imprint) then reared in open view to all that is going on around the eyass in the nest.

some people have different opinions on a parent reared hawk,how it is reared must a question you ask to the breeder before ordering your finnish goshawk.
keith

To be honest, I am not sure. I have only flown one gos before, a german male that I imprinted myself. Now I live with my girlfriend and we are expecting our first baby in April, there is no chance of a baby hawk shitting all over the house. As for how it should be reared, I only have the oppinions and reccomendations of others to go on. I liked the sound of 'dual imprinting' almost like getting the best out of imprint and PR. But people have told me that they are pretty much the same as PR. :confused:

Any advice welcomed....Thanks alot guys. :supz:

[OutFlying]

To be honest, I am not sure. I have only flown one gos before, a german male that I imprinted myself. Now I live with my girlfriend and we are expecting our first baby in April, there is no chance of a baby hawk shitting all over the house. As for how it should be reared, I only have the oppinions and reccomendations of others to go on. I liked the sound of 'dual imprinting' almost like getting the best out of imprint and PR. But people have told me that they are pretty much the same as PR. :confused:

Any advice welcomed....Thanks alot guys. :supz:

All the "dual imprints" that I have knowledge of have behaved as a parent reared goshawk but noisy - they aren't social imprints.

Jim.

[Robert J Penney]

All the "dual imprints" that I have knowledge of have behaved as a parent reared goshawk but noisy - they aren't social imprints.

Jim.

NOISY? i thought they were supposed to be quiet:confused: So what your saying is that you get a loud ******* parent reared bird?

[OutFlying]

NOISY? i thought they were supposed to be quiet:confused: So what your saying is that you get a loud ******* parent reared bird?


Yep.

[Robert J Penney]

Oh ! Anyone else had an experience of dual imprints?So whats the best method of rearing if you dont want a screamer but a more biddable bird?:confused:

[OutFlying]

Oh ! Anyone else had an experience of dual imprints?So whats the best method of rearing if you dont want a screamer but a more biddable bird?:confused:

Have totally parent reared gos raised in seclusion or socially imprint one - both can be as steady if manned correctly.

This dual imprint rearing doesn't work - if you socially imprinted a goshawk just in your front room and never exposed it to the real world, it would be a f$$k up when exposed to outside conditions. Exactly the same as a dual imprint - it never leaves the aviary and is only familar with the aviary surrounding, it then needs to be reduce in weight to overcome the fear.

Jim.

[Lee Brindley]

So the only sensible options are fully parent reared in seclusion, or full social imprint?

[OutFlying]

So the only sensible options are fully parent reared in seclusion, or full social imprint?


That's what I'd choose from.

[Ben C]

Creche??????

[SparsTheOne]

So the only sensible options are fully parent reared in seclusion, or full social imprint?


if you have a baby on the way mate, i,d go for the 1st option.


jase.

[OutFlying]

Creche??????

Why ???????

[Ben C]

PMSL.....no idea, just wondering why it was not an option????????

[Lee Brindley]

So are there no guys here who fly/breed creche reared, dual imprint or anything else, who want to stand up for their hawks or their rearing techniques?

[Robert J Penney]

So are there no guys here who fly/breed creche reared, dual imprint or anything else, who want to stand up for their hawks or their rearing techniques?

Apparantly NOT!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

[SparsTheOne]

mike kane

chris brown

don mosley

pikey pete(almost full finnish lol);-)

theres a few names for you.


jase.

[Lee Brindley]

mike kane

chris brown

don mosley

pikey pete(almost full finnish lol);-)

theres a few names for you.


jase.


Thanks alot Jase. You wouldn't include Harry Gilbert? I have heard mixed oppinions of his hawks. :confused:

[MickeyDredd]

So are there no guys here who fly/breed creche reared, dual imprint or anything else, who want to stand up for their hawks or their rearing techniques?

Apparantly NOT!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

Jastreb dual-imprinted one this year for a friend I think.

[TimDog80]

Jastreb dual-imprinted one this year for a friend I think.
did'nt blackbird" do one too???

[SparsTheOne]

Thanks alot Jase. You wouldn't include Harry Gilbert? I have heard mixed oppinions of his hawks. :confused:

yes I would but I,m not sure if hes still breeding goshawks.


jase.

[Pendleside]

did'nt blackbird" do one too???

tim .

the other tim (blackbird) reared one of my chicks with his female ros as her eggs were infertile .
the chick was dual imprinted with tim being in attendance on a daily basis but all feeding was done by his female .
there was no food association with tim .
the new owner has since said the youngster was if anything , harder to sort than a parent reared and certainly took longer to respond to training .
in this instance it was completely different to what was expected .
as jim said in an earlier post the bird was very comfortable in its own surroundings and in tim's presence , but was very similar to a parent reared when removed from its flight .

[Lee Brindley]

tim .

the other tim (blackbird) reared one of my chicks with his female ros as her eggs were infertile .
the chick was dual imprinted with tim being in attendance on a daily basis but all feeding was done by his female .
there was no food association with tim .
the new owner has since said the youngster was if anything , harder to sort than a parent reared and certainly took longer to respond to training .
in this instance it was completely different to what was expected .
as jim said in an earlier post the bird was very comfortable in its own surroundings and in tim's presence , but was very similar to a parent reared when removed from its flight .


Was it vocal?

[Jastreb]

tim .
the new owner has since said the youngster was if anything , harder to sort than a parent reared and certainly took longer to respond to training .
in this instance it was completely different to what was expected .

Same thing here with my dual female! She was reared on the same way and everything else about rearing was the same!

Not vocal at all.
Initial traininig was tricky I must admit. Now is very well, bombproof, and she has killed 6 brown hares. Friend is flying her only on hares.

Cheers Viktor

[MusketMad]

yes I would but I,m not sure if hes still breeding goshawks.


jase.he is still breeding them jase but im sure all his youngsters went to portugal this year

[Pendleside]

Was it vocal?

if i remember correctly there was a period when there was some calling in the garden but i believe this has now subsided .
i will check this out and re-post if it is any different .

[Pendleside]

he is still breeding them jase but im sure all his youngsters went to portugal this year

i was under the impression that he had sold up this year .

[MusketMad]

i was under the impression that he had sold up this year .i havent spoken to him since late july ...he said then that hed had a fair few birds out but most of them were going abroad...

[Pure Blood]

My apologies if this has been discussed before but I have looked through the threads and cant find anything....Can anybody reccomend any breeders of parent reared finnish goshawks (in UK)? Does somebody breed the 'best' birds? Are any inbred? Or are they all the same really?

Cheers...

Lee.andrew hollinshead mate

[Lee Brindley]

I just want to say thanks for all the PMs that people have sent. You know who you are. ;)

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Oh ! Anyone else had an experience of dual imprints?So whats the best method of rearing if you dont want a screamer but a more biddable bird?:confused:


There are quite a few cases of a passage birds becoming vocal due to the treatment and care they are recieiving so nothing is concrete with regards to birds staying non vocal.

[HorseBox]

I am looking for a breeder called A MAGERESON my brothers purchased a 4 year old female gos bred by him just looking for some back ground on her appreciate the help thanks

[Tom Kent Gos]

I flew with Harry two weeks ago, he has sold his breeding goshawks.

Tom

[FalconMews]

Although Harry has given up breeding himself, he has sent some pairs and his own imprint flying female out on loan, so he should have eyasses for sale in the future.