My F harris hates the dog.

[KenHawker1970]

I brought a wippet x collie around about the same time as I got my female harris, and she hates the poor git. I've tried and tried again to get her used to him. But shes having none of it. Now the nabours are pulling thier faces. Because of the bird screeming at the dog.
Please can any body give me some advice on this subject.
Cheers, Ken.

[Varmint]

We'll, i've just gone through a similar experiece (for about the 40th time) with two male Harris i am training at the moment.
there is only one thing that you can do to try to bond this pair, which is never do anything to one, unless the other is present!
For example, feed your bird, carry your bird, creance work your bird, free fly your bird, get your bird fit and enter your bird-with the dog present for every moment of every stage

But familiarity and maybe even a little judicial weight control on the birds part may pay dividents..

Hope this helps

[KenHawker1970]

Thanks Varmint I will see how it goes mate. And will keep you posted.
Reguards ken

[Shaun Byrne]

Ken, is the dog in a run or in the house?
My G/S hated my dog and screamed like a banshee. I blocked him out and moved him about 6" closer to my dogs run everyday. At feeding time I held the dog on the lead and eventually allowed her to sniff the bird while he was pre-ocupied with his grub.
The G/S still isn't keen but tends not to bate or scream(most of the time!)
Like Varmint says, it all boils down to familiarity.

[KenHawker1970]

The dog is kept in the house.
Its been going on for that long. Me harris is flying free now.
Reguards ken

[Shaun Byrne]

May be too late if the HH has taken a dislike, my mates FHH is dangerous with any dogs, no matter how big she goes in for a head shot!!

[KenHawker1970]

She trys to foot the dog ever chance she gets H4wka.
That was what I was worried about.
Thanks Ken

[Varmint]

I personally don't think it's ever too late to break your Harris to Dogs, OK they might always be a little techy around kills.
They might even, as in the case of H4wka's mates bird get really agressive for any number of reasons, but i can tell you from experience that it's worth however much time and effort it takes when you witness this unique partnership in the hunting field

I sold a Parent reared Male to a local Falconer just re starting the sport after a prolonged absence.
He trained the bird, almost to the point of entering before he decided to get a dog, which he duly did (a 4 yr old Trained GSP)

His bird went potty for nearly 4 weeks, but eventually calmed down especially when it made connection to the fact that the dog produced dinner..

It eventually entered (4 weeks late) over the dog.

Last sunday we went hawking and i witnessed this eyass HH sitting on the dogs back whilst it was on point!!!

What a transformation

[Wightwings]

as least you,ve got a dog :cry: I desperately want to get one for working with the birds. in truth i've never trained or worked with birds over one :roll: :oops: and somehow dont feel im doing the birds justice, but the missus is adamant we are not having one as there would be no-one around in the day to look after it.

I am VERY tempted to get her a furry christmas present that comes with its own outside house!!!!! after all its the thought that counts :roll: :wink:

[Wightwings]

as least you,ve got a dog :cry: I desperately want to get one for working with the birds. in truth i've never trained or worked with birds over one :roll: :oops: and somehow dont feel im doing the birds justice, but the missus is adamant we are not having one as there would be no-one around in the day to look after it.

I am VERY tempted to get her a furry christmas present that comes with its own outside house!!!!! after all its the thought that counts :roll: :wink:

[KenHawker1970]

Wwwoooowwww chris 2 for the price of 1. lol.
Hope she falls for it mate. Good luk
Reguards ken

[Wightwings]

me theory is she's not going to kick it out when she sees its wickly doggy eyes and it's luvly wickle tail wagging :roll:

[KenHawker1970]

Well it worked for me. :wink:

[Shaun Byrne]

Spot on WW, my wife said no to a dog. The trick is to get it and let her see it, she'll melt!!
Good idea about the outside house, mine's in a kennell with a decent run so if we're not about she can get some exercise.

[Wightwings]

my thought exactly, i have space for a run so going to go for it.

[David & Carol Newby]

Ken... you are getting the right info here. I have older HH that hated dogs untill we fed the dogs and HHs together (we have 2 GSH). I spent time manning the birds with the dogs at my feet. I have the dogs running the field when I fly the HHs and our 9yr old mHH likes to Buzz the dogs! LOL We have had fun getting the two animals together. Rebel (mHH) lets other dogs get close to him now without a sound but if the dog sniffs he gets footed without warning! My fHH has always known the dogs and her sister we sold to a lady falconer who hunts with an English Pointer and was pleased that the bird was dog trained. Not at all a screamer. Best of luck, Carol

[Bubo]

me theory is she's not going to kick it out when she sees its wickly doggy eyes and it's luvly wickle tail wagging :roll:

hmmmm sounds like you guys have caught on to our stratgems and are becoming as devious as us females!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
bubo

[KenHawker1970]

Well shes in the house and in the same room as the dogs. She has told them to bog off a few times and has now settled.
So a big thank to you lads for the advice it seems to be working.
CHEERS, Ken

[Wightwings]

good news ken :D :wink:

on my part we have had a "discussion" about dogs. I have been told its up to me but i have to look after it and she wants nothing to do with it as she "hates" dogs :roll: (ye right)

i believe thats female talk for giving in :wink: ( i think)
so im going to do a bit of research, dog types, training methods etc and have a look around :wink: :D

[Jiff]

i was very wary of this subject being as how the wife loves her yorki to bits,right through the manning process i had the dog in view,over a period of time i ended up with two ferrets the yorki and sky in the same 2 feet of garden,sky now works very well with the ferrets and by and large just ignores the dog(appart when she's droped a bit)then if the dog's out the back you can tell by the sound of her bells alone,what she would do if she had the chance,i don't think it's hatred with sky,it's the fact that yorki's are fun size. but the answere to any problem(which i've learnt in no time from sky) is exposure kind words and guidance,these birds are very intelligent,and will click very quickly if handled sensitively :wink:

[North East Harris Hawker]

i dont think its ever too late to introduce dogs, a lot of people simply cannot be bothered with the aggro and give up preffering to do all the hard work themselves, odds are though that sooner or later you will bump into someone with a dog when your out, better to have a bird that is steady with dogs, and even more better to find more pheasants :wink:

[KenHawker1970]

Sounds to me like a good little bushing dog would suit you Chris. A good size terrier suilt do the trick. But make sure that at the adult stage its bigger than a rabbit or else. lmao. A nice Lakeland will do the trick I sould think. Besides your wife will melt when you drop the pup in her hands.
And they are demons up the fields.
Reguards, Ken

[North East Harris Hawker]

even for those who dont like dogs :shock:
they really are a neccesary evil :twisted:
they find game that you would have walked straight past!
sometime my dog gets on my wick, but he redeems himself EVERY time we go out by sourcing game:wink:

[Wightwings]

a lakeland terrier. mmmm must admit thinking about it the smaller dog would be easier for me.
will have a look at that breed and see whats what. Thanke ken thats good food for thought.

chris

[Shaun Byrne]

Cant fault my little Working Cocker, She's turning into a right little bramble basher.

[Shaun Byrne]

This is the first one I've trained mate. If you have the patience to train a bird, a dog is a P of P. I've only done the basics, sit, Heal etc but the instinct is already there to hunt. As falconers we have it a bit easier as we dont need or want the dog to retrieve.
Personally I dont like to go flying over terriers as they tend to want the quarry as much as the bird, great for ferreting though.

[Grovsey]

I have just gone through the same thing with a young f harris when I brought her home and one look at the cocker I had ( sold now) and it was screaming and more screaming,but my attitude is start as you mean to go on.so over 3 weeks while I had the cocker he was in the harris's face 24/7 and after a bout 2 wks he could walk right upto the harris and nothing,if it had footed him then he would off leared a hard leason

[Goran]

All my birds are OK with my three Jagdterriers.They ride in a car free with my old dog on a front seat.If you have control over your dog and your birds are trained to hunt, soon they will realize - dog produces game.