Geese, Pheasants

[PigDog]

Does anyone here routinely fly there RT or HH at Pheasents or Geese?

Around my land we have loads of canadian geese etc... and im contemplating the above species and just wondered how they fair up...

I think a Canadian Goose would be a Great quarry for male HH or a Male RT...

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Does anyone here routinely fly there RT or HH at Pheasents or Geese?

Around my land we have loads of canadian geese etc... and im contemplating the above species and just wondered how they fair up...

I think a Canadian Goose would be a Great quarry for male HH or a Male RT...

You are likely to struggle with the males of both species if you want them to take geese on a regular basis. One decent beating from a goose and thats them put off for life - assuming they make it out with their life.

Female harris or redtail if you are serious in taking Geese regularily with either of these species.

FHF

[SimonC]

i would only risk a female redtail with geese as thier feet would be big enough

[KKLouiseKK]

i personally wouldnt risk it even with my fhh. it just isnt worth the risk i think a goose would be too big and it could leave your bird injured for the rest of the season or life. Pheasants however can be a great sport.

[SSL]

Knew a lad who used to fly Canada Geese with a FHH, reckons she did well, not something i would like to do.

I would forget the Geese and fly a Gos for the Pheasant :supz:

[Gerry4292]

I have a farm local to me that has canadian geese on it every year,and was thinking about trying my fhh on them.Not so sure that I will now though after reading these posts.
atb,
Gerry.

[Oscar]

If your gonna fly geese then a FRT


Atb
Oscar

[Illustrator]

if they will they will, don't decide for them, half of you falconers are turning into horse owners who think they are made out of glass, hooked beak and talons to kill what the fnnnlll as a goose got other than a thrash of powerful feathers, always at least give them a try. there will be heated perches next or your a bsssstrddd:supz:

[JohnO31]

a friend of mine put his FHH on a goose and it broke his birds wing the vets bill was £550 the hh had a full season on rabbits it had caught moorhens,coots pheasants etc but it was only bound to the goose for a few mins and that was the result i supose it would be diff if it had experience with them but there is always a first time

but as far as pheasant get em caught its good sport for a hh

im not wanting to put a dampener on things for you mate but be carefull

atb for xmas

ian

[Redeye]

If your gonna fly geese then a FRT


Atb
Oscar
Personally i would never even consider a canadian goose with any hawk. And wouldthink it unlikely that even a frt would consistently take them.
Those wings can do some serious damage. Shoot the geese and try to get some duck to fly at instead

[JohnO31]

Personally i would never even consider a canadian goose with any hawk. And wouldthink it unlikely that even a frt would consistently take them.
Those wings can do some serious damage. Shoot the geese and try to get some duck to fly at instead

thats what got my friends (the wings)

ian

[SSL]

if they will they will, don't decide for them, half of you falconers are turning into horse owners who think they are made out of glass, hooked beak and talons to kill what the fnnnlll as a goose got other than a thrash of powerful feathers, always at least give them a try. there will be heated perches next or your a bsssstrddd:supz:

Are you really that stupid :confused:

[JohnO31]

Are you really that stupid :confused:

ropml

ian

[Illustrator]

Are you really that stupid :confused:

No:lol: but i would't think twice on letting any bird of mine on a goose if it was prepared to have a go

[PD Harris]

i had a fhh a few years ago she wasnt even that big only flew at 2lb,it was middle of winter and me and my dad were on some land id got it had a stream running through it and a pond with a island in the middle but i always stayed away from pond but on this day annie got after a malard and followed it towards pong then dropped off into trees in middle,as for when i got there there were 2 greylag geese at side of water and she was just sat watching them,i tried everything to get her to come back across but nothing,then one of the geese started to move and you guessed it straight down she came both her feet on its head but it ended up taking her into water she was on top of water with both her wings open and i was straight in to fetch her waded across up to my chest in icey cold water pulled her and the goose out but it was dead,it was massive too,so them gave her a reward and took it off her couldnt even fit it in bag lol,but then i had the trouble of walking the 7 miles back home with all my clothes wet through and wellingtons full of water lol,never took her near there again,would have been so easy just to have took her under water or hit with its wings,

[Illustrator]

i had a fhh a few years ago she wasnt even that big only flew at 2lb,it was middle of winter and me and my dad were on some land id got it had a stream running through it and a pond with a island in the middle but i always stayed away from pond but on this day annie got after a malard and followed it towards pong then dropped off into trees in middle,as for when i got there there were 2 greylag geese at side of water and she was just sat watching them,i tried everything to get her to come back across but nothing,then one of the geese started to move and you guessed it straight down she came both her feet on its head but it ended up taking her into water she was on top of water with both her wings open and i was straight in to fetch her waded across up to my chest in icey cold water pulled her and the goose out but it was dead,it was massive too,so them gave her a reward and took it off her couldnt even fit it in bag lol,but then i had the trouble of walking the 7 miles back home with all my clothes wet through and wellingtons full of water lol,never took her near there again,would have been so easy just to have took her under water or hit with its wings,

they are dangerous in that respect but away from water which they mostly feed is the place to take them on, if you manage to get close enough that is and you would have to make in as quickly as poss, i suppose they're much similar to a big hare really

[PigDog]

I saw a male redtail attack a fox today

Hows that?

JEEZ

[Illustrator]

I saw a male redtail attack a fox today

Hows that?

JEEZ

lucky it didn't become dinner there then, they have no chance of killing a fox:lol:

[OutFlying]

Is this gamehawking (as per section),

Any hawk taking a goose is a mugging and akin to goose baiting, quality of flight = nil, courage of the hawk beyond question but hardly quality falconry.

Jim.

[JohnO31]

Is this gamehawking (as per section),

Any hawk taking a goose is a mugging and akin to goose baiting, quality of flight = nil, courage of the hawk beyond question but hardly quality falconry.

Jim.

i havnt even looked at it in that view i was just concerned with the danger of MASSIVE vet bills or a dead bird and to be honest both i could do without

so my advice would be leave them alone aspecialy(sp) if you fly a hh its just not worth it in my view anyway

ian

[GregMik]

lucky it didn't become dinner there then, they have no chance of killing a fox:lol:


http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=10540


Greg

[GregMik]

Geese are dangerous quarry and anything smaller than an eagle would have issues when caught. Geese have been known to break human bones with their wings.

Greg

[PigDog]

RODGER, NAE GEESE THEN.

Fox was too quick and agile but it got latched onto

[Illustrator]

Geese are dangerous quarry and anything smaller than an eagle would have issues when caught. Geese have been known to break human bones with their wings.

Greg

May be a small kids but i doubt it myself ,as for the fox there is no way it would have killed it and would have got away without the screwdriver but well done anyway it does surprise me that you where able to retrieve your hawk alive, luckily it had a good hold, if it had grabbed its arse i don't believe it would be here now as one bite would have seen the end of her, geese are much safer

[GregMik]

May be a small kids but i doubt it myself ,as for the fox there is no way it would have killed it and would have got away without the screwdriver but well done anyway it does surprise me that you where able to retrieve your hawk alive, luckily it had a good hold, if it had grabbed its arse i don't believe it would be here now as one bite would have seen the end of her, geese are much safer


I would never purposely slip anything but an Eagle at either.....

Greg

[Illustrator]

a female red tail or gos should cope with a goose long enough to come and assist and should quite easily cope with the smaller species like pinkfeet

[Eric B]

my male hh caught a goose a couple of weeks ago.
not sure if it a a broken wing.
there is a lot of weight behind one of them birds to do a lot of damage.
I would never go looking for one on purpose.

[GregMik]

a female red tail or gos should cope with a goose long enough to come and assist and should quite easily cope with the smaller species like pinkfeet


Maybe the smaller species. Around here it is hard to get close enouph to slip at them. The only ones we can get close to are the Canada Geese. We have the greaters also.....This is what you originally asked about..

[Illustrator]

however a gos wasn't called the goose hawk for nothing, a good female should manage any goose if close enough may get a wing bashing in the process but thats falconry:D

[PigDog]

Och aye, a Female Gos will manage a canuk goose and i would't feel bad about letting her try either.

I reckon a female redtail and Gyr will have a good go aswell.

It's just strange how people don't actively hunt these birds, i understnad the issue of the wings flapping etc but im sure there are a few good b.o.p that could hunt gesse no bother, especially migratory geese when their weight and fitness is down.?

The guy whos red i saw going for the fox has no set quarry, i kid you not it has a bad attitude and a fighting spirit. Baby roe next :rolleyes:

[GregMik]

Och aye, a Female Gos will manage a canuk goose and i would't feel bad about letting her try either.

I reckon a female redtail and Gyr will have a good go aswell.

It's just strange how people don't actively hunt these birds, i understnad the issue of the wings flapping etc but im sure there are a few good b.o.p that could hunt gesse no bother, especially migratory geese when their weight and fitness is down.?

The guy whos red i saw going for the fox has no set quarry, i kid you not it has a bad attitude and a fighting spirit. Baby roe next :rolleyes:


I think you will find that the reason ppl don't slip thier birds at geese is because they also feel it is too dangerous.

Greg

[JohnO31]

I think you will find that the reason ppl don't slip thier birds at geese is because they also feel it is too dangerous.

Greg

and not worth the risk

ian

[PigDog]

Aye i understand that, i was speaking more hypothetical.....

It's been document for ages about how folk through the ages have flown goshawks at Geese and herrons and i even have photies of people doung the same with reds

Crazy i know now but just a thought...

I will wait and progress to an eagle let her take anything she fancies, i would never stop them having a go at anything hahaha

[redtailkarn]

Everyone to there own. On some of my ground i free fly my red and she off her own back has tackled geese. She takes them by the head, the geese go down, and the wings beat either side of her, Ok so far she may have been lucky.
however thats take a wider view, my bird has taken many rabbits and hare, and on several occasions has been given a good kicking. One rabbit once kicked her across the face putting a deep cut across her cere and missing her eye by millimeters. Nearly blinding her in one eye. Squirrels and rats can also do a lot of damage. One bite could sever a tendon and your bird hunting is over.
yes the fight's aren't generally that spectacular, and yes I do worry.
I had a friend, who's hh flew into a hedge after a pheasant and hit an old gate post, killing it dead.
I know now I'm probley going to get slated but, I think all falconry is a risk.

[Che2]

had a goose with a femail gos at the begining of the season she was at the top of a tree at the top of a wery steep vally waiting for a reflush on a fesent when she took off climbing high then i saw the gese flying about twenty foot of the ground she hit the one in the front and kiled it stone dead

[RussellSprouts]

note to slf never try to take on geese lol:twisted:

[SparsTheOne]

however a gos wasn't called the goose hawk for nothing, a good female should manage any goose if close enough may get a wing bashing in the process but thats falconry:D

I,m sorry that isnt falconry to me,why does your hawk need to get a wing bashing off of quarry that size, when theres much more suitable quarry to be flown, plus being better sport due too its smaler size.



jase.

[Illustrator]

I,m sorry that isnt falconry to me,why does your hawk need to get a wing bashing off of quarry that size, when theres much more suitable quarry to be flown, plus being better sport due too its smaler size.



jase.

I didn't say you could only fly one species of quarry,i was simply saying they are capable of doing so and it is up to you if you do or don't but it doesn't mean its wrong if you do.As for falconry being better sport if the quarry is smaller, i think again thats a personal view of yours, many like the larger quarry, hares and geese with a female gos, wolves and deer with a golden eagle, i personally would be happy to see any bop fly at anything they are capable of, its great:D

[Ben Wallace]

Very, very dangerous. Males have really no chance, except for pure luck. I have a female hh that has attached to about 18 canada geese. These flights only occured as somewhat of a bycatch (not really caught) she was after ducks but since they get up faster she went for the geese in the mix. She has recieved one pounding where she was knocked out. I try to pick my slips more carefully now. If your hawk does latch on to one on the ground the other geese will come back to defend and pound.

The only hawk that I have seen that was successful was a friends female harris. she would rise above them and flush, They are less reluctant to help each other when on the wing, then a small stoop until she bound to one by the wing. Then when they hit the ground, the goose would try to bite her she would pin the head to the wing and ride it as it flapped around in circles. Eventually she to took a beating and then was shy.

I have even seen wild bald eagles take a pounding when they have bound to one on the flats around here.

Canada geese also have a modified spur on the leading edge of the wing, it is dull but very hard, and can do damage.

I would consider lesser quarry. Or get a golden eagle or a harris/golden eagle hybrid.

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace.
www.shaheensolutions.com

[SparsTheOne]

I didn't say you could only fly one species of quarry,i was simply saying they are capable of doing so and it is up to you if you do or don't but it doesn't mean its wrong if you do.As for falconry being better sport if the quarry is smaller, i think again thats a personal view of yours, many like the larger quarry, hares and geese with a female gos, wolves and deer with a golden eagle, i personally would be happy to see any bop fly at anything they are capable of, its great:D


The below post says it all..........but if your into that, I feel sorry for your hawks, I fly a female gos and even I have gone off the idea of taking hares with her,she got a right bucking today off a 3/4 grown buck rabbit that she didnt head bind to ....... now if that had been a hare...well I dont even want to think about it as she,s my pride and joy.

jase.

Very, very dangerous. Males have really no chance, except for pure luck. I have a female hh that has attached to about 18 canada geese. These flights only occured as somewhat of a bycatch (not really caught) she was after ducks but since they get up faster she went for the geese in the mix. She has recieved one pounding where she was knocked out. I try to pick my slips more carefully now. If your hawk does latch on to one on the ground the other geese will come back to defend and pound.

The only hawk that I have seen that was successful was a friends female harris. she would rise above them and flush, They are less reluctant to help each other when on the wing, then a small stoop until she bound to one by the wing. Then when they hit the ground, the goose would try to bite her she would pin the head to the wing and ride it as it flapped around in circles. Eventually she to took a beating and then was shy.

I have even seen wild bald eagles take a pounding when they have bound to one on the flats around here.

Canada geese also have a modified spur on the leading edge of the wing, it is dull but very hard, and can do damage.

I would consider lesser quarry. Or get a golden eagle or a harris/golden eagle hybrid.

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace.
www.shaheensolutions.com (http://www.shaheensolutions.com)

[Illustrator]

The below post says it all..........but if your into that, I feel sorry for your hawks, I fly a female gos and even I have gone off the idea of taking hares with her,she got a right bucking today off a 3/4 grown buck rabbit that she didnt head bind to ....... now if that had been a hare...well I dont even want to think about it as she,s my pride and joy.

jase.

no probs jase most goses end up refusing anyway, but a harris/golden hybrid:confused::confused:

[SparsTheOne]

no probs jase most goses end up refusing anyway, but a harris/golden hybrid:confused::confused:



lol my gos will fly them but has been pulling off at the last second, she has hit a few but is no where near as keen on them as she is on rabbits, and i,m not to bothered about it to be honest.

i,ve had one hare with a smaller gos than mine and thats enough :supz:


jase.

[Illustrator]

lol my gos will fly them but has been pulling off at the last second, she has hit a few but is no where near as keen on them as she is on rabbits, and i,m not to bothered about it to be honest.

i,ve had one hare with a smaller gos than mine and thats enough :supz:


jase.

Its funny you often hear of a smaller gos taking hare yet nearly everyone raves on about how heavy they are at flying weight, i don't think it matters as long as they are. some smaller birds will slam into a hare yet a big Finnish may refuse, they are all individual i suppose most give up after a few, if you bought one for hares i think you would be disappointed anyway

[SparsTheOne]

theres only one bird for hares and thats the female redtail, end of story:P


jase.

[Illustrator]

theres only one bird for hares and thats the female redtail, end of story:P


jase.

yea and thats generally out of trees.:lol:

[Jan1]

I free fly a female Harris & a couple of seasons back she took two greylag geese, both on the ground. One had a broken wing, the other was a bird of the year that was skulking about in the rushes. The Harris went in with no hesitation & nailed each bird by the head as if she'd done it a hundred times before. What struck me was how little fight they had in them and after a bit of wing flapping they soon gave up & just lay there, the Harris stretched back with her long legs keeping her well away from the wings. Later that season she was flying in a gale and purposely made a big leap downwind that brought her above a party of feeding greylag. The birds spooked and rose beneath her, she singled one out & dived, hitting it with a crack that I could hear from over 60 yards away. She failed to bind, and the goose staggered then flew on. What a story that would have been if she had brought it down. Since then she hasn't taken another but always flies across to have a look-see if she spots geese in a field.

[Hawking]

ok I hate to bring this one up again. I have Canadian geese come low over the bush every year. It would be a incredible thing to have a bop ready for a ambush on our side. A direct flight at the head as they creast the bush. Its all land there so it would be easy to quickly make in and help. What you all think, best bird would be??? Gos for sure but would a FRT or FHH be fast enough on the rise to catch em?

[Goran]

Every FHH I have took Canada goose.More got away but ...

[Craig S]

we had loads of canadian geese where i kept my horses, my male harris flew towards them had a look then ****ed off at warp speed in the opposite direction. i could'nt work out if he was a bloody coward or extremley wise.

[The Two Scrim's]

Cast of big FHH should do the job;). Cain

[HaggisHawker]

You'd be better off training a goose to kill Harris hawks. Quite good sport I reckon if the goose could learn to use its advantage in the water.

[John Soulsby]

You'd be better off training a goose to kill Harris hawks. Quite good sport I reckon if the goose could learn to use its advantage in the water.

An inane comment.

John

[CloudBase1664]

An inane comment.

John

An inane thread!!

Dave

[PD Harris]

my female isis nearly last off this season caught a canadian goose,i was out with my dad on some land i fly her on lady spencers and it was really windy,she got off out top of trees and wind caught under her she was right up and away over field and up over top of hill onto a old pit sight thats been landscaped, off i went after her but when i got to top she was looking over at a pond that had been set out for wildlife as i walked closer a load of ducks got up and off she went but they were far 2 fast and the only things left were 2 canadian geese no hesitation she was straight down one tried to take off across the ground but she was on it staight away got hold of back of its head and one on its neck i was straight across and managed to get her off it with out too much trouble i just held her away while i released it as there was alot of people watching the birds with spotter scopes,i appolagised and walked off

[Sprout]

Whats with matching quarry with bird to produce good SPORT????? Some pepople need to learn what the definition of "falconry" is - it certainly isn't risking the life of a bird to MUG as large a quarry item as possible just for ego!!!!!

[SkyChecker]

Whats with matching quarry with bird to produce good SPORT????? Some pepople need to learn what the definition of "falconry" is - it certainly isn't risking the life of a bird to MUG as large a quarry item as possible just for ego!!!!!

Well said, Karl!
Ethics seems to be a word, more and more people are obviously unable to spell.

[PD Harris]

thats not always the case with birds ive never let my birds go after hares or especially geese but when you have a keen hungry bird you cant just tell them not to go for things cause u dont like it just have to get to them as quick as you can and hope nothing goes wrong,

[Goran]

Geese fight, hares kick, squirrels bite ....Falconry is taking wild game with trained BOP. I guess it was originally meant to bring more food on table. What my birds catch do not go to waste. Nothing wrong with high pitches, long flights, hunting from soar, but the end is to get it in the bag.

[SkyChecker]

thats not always the case with birds ive never let my birds go after hares or especially geese but when you have a keen hungry bird you cant just tell them not to go for things cause u dont like it just have to get to them as quick as you can and hope nothing goes wrong,

You are right of course, **** happens(!) but the original question was, to do **** on a regular basis (canadian geese)! Like surely the most on this forum I love my birds, they make me proud and I try to avoid them getting injured under any circumstances. I don`t understand people who obviously risk the creatures that are unvoluntarily depending on them. I would wish these guys would have to breed their birds on their own, maybe they would respect them much more...otherwise they could not be expensive enough!

[PD Harris]

well said matt i agree

[Sprout]

but the end is to get it in the bag.

If that was the only aim I'd give up and buy a gun! Falconry should be about the style the game is brought to the bag.