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Annie
01-12-2004, 02:09 PM
How do you tie your birds to screen perches.

Loop over twice, falconers knot and two half hitches.

I don't seem to be able to grasp the falconers knot in this position. No probs tying falconers knot to glove, block or perch, but a real blockage in the old grey matter getting the leash to comply!

The Late Lord Lucan
01-12-2004, 03:06 PM
My personal opinion here, is that screen perches just shouldn't be used at all.
I'm sorry that doesn't answer your question really.
What are you tying to said perch? and why have you chosen a screen perch?

Regards,
LLL.

Hawkmaster
01-12-2004, 04:56 PM
I am with Lucky on this one! Never will use it after seeing a dead Peregrine in South Africa and a Afgos in Zimbabwe, on one and heard too many other bad stories. I know there are folks that are now going to say, I use it year in year out and no problem, all I can say is just wait, your time will come.

GoneHawking
01-12-2004, 05:30 PM
Each to his own, I found it a very useful perch when imprinting both my Gos and my Spar indoors, Although at these times the birds were supervised. I wasn't aware there was only one way to practice falconry!!

The Late Lord Lucan
01-12-2004, 09:53 PM
Gonehawking wrote

Although at these times the birds were supervised. I wasn't aware there was only one way to practice falconry!!

Your quite right, there isn't only one way to practice falconry, but there are certainly many ways to kill or injure a bird, a screen perch being a good example.
However you mention one 'golden' word in your previous 'breath'.....'SUPERVISED'.......
The simple fact is, most folk can't offer 100% supervision.

In my opinion there are quite a lot of good 'perching' arrangements available for all falconry birds these days, screen perches are just unnecessary.

Regards,
LLL.

Annie
02-12-2004, 07:35 AM
It is a supervised Kestrel (not mine), I shall just have to keep on practicing with a shoe lace and the steering wheel until I get it right :oops: Obviously without the bird in situ.

The Late Lord Lucan
02-12-2004, 07:37 AM
Is there any reason why a screen perch has been chosen here Annie?

Varmint
02-12-2004, 10:02 AM
Well boy's! for what it's worth

I have used Screen Perches for Falcons for over 25yrs, with no prob's (once had a daft Peri hang, but was ok)

And thats Hundreds of birds.

But i have to say that
A: i don't leave birds on them unattended during the day (unless hooded).
B: i would never dream of trying to feed on one.
C: my Screens are Blacked out at night.

But as a night perch for Falcons, and really a most of the time for most Gos's, they cant be beat for keeping a bird spotless!!

And back to the original thread: I tye my leash , by pulling half the leash back through the swivel and then tie with a simple half hitch to the swivel.

Next , i pass the pointy end of the leash over the Screen bar, bringing it back under the bar.

I position the swivel, on the bar and holding both ends of the leash, i back my bird to the right of where i am tying the knot (Jess Length).

Then i tie both ends, tightly with a reef knot (on the front of the bar!) and finally, pass the top loose leash, back over the bar, prodding a loop back through the front (at the bottom of the bar) and passing the lower loose piece of the leash through the loop; effectivley strapping both pieces of loose leash down.

Is this understandable????? it might have come out as babble! but anyway any probs just PM me and i'll try to send you a pic.

GoneHawking
02-12-2004, 02:50 PM
Well said Varmint, and I agree totally for the use of the perch with a Gos it is hard to beat, And it is a better alternative to some of the monstrous bow perches I have seen used, where the bow is so steep that the ring wont travel over it freely...what we have to understand is that what works for some doesnt always work for others and all of our situations are different.

The Late Lord Lucan
02-12-2004, 04:37 PM
Gonehawking wrote

I wasn't aware there was only one way to practice falconry!!

and also

what we have to understand is that what works for some doesnt always work for others and all of our situations are different.

I totally agreee with you on both points here, I have read and re-read my posts and don't recall typing anything to the contrary. However after reading & re-reading your posts it seems that you have the impression that maybe I was disagreeing or somehow saying that you are wrong.
My first post was 'in my opinion', and I stand by my opinion that I feel they shouldn't be used. Most people can't give the 100% supervision that I personally think should be given when using this type of perch.
There are alternatives.
Here is one as an example. ('the raptor post')

http://www.raptororiginals.co.uk/new_page_5.htm

Regards,
Lucky.

Wightwings
02-12-2004, 05:31 PM
any chance of some pictures up on here to show everyone what you are all talking about?

GoneHawking
02-12-2004, 05:32 PM
Looks like a good perch, But if the bird bates and can't regain the perch will it not hang and die just the same???

The Late Lord Lucan
02-12-2004, 05:47 PM
But if the bird bates and can't regain the perch will it not hang and die just the same???

If the bird is tethered properly on this perch, I would say that it is probably physically impossible for it to hang. It's difficult to explain, I was sceptical when I first saw the pictures, but after seeing one in use, I was really impressed. The diameter of the top is such that (with the exception of a really long pair of jesses) the bird will not bait beyond the edge of the perch........the swivel sits in the very centre. The leash is threaded down a hole in the centre and is pulled so that the swivel is tight in the centre of the perch, the leash is then tied off further down the perch, there are a couple of holes further down for this purpose.
As I said, it's quite difficult to explain. When the bird bates, it's quite strange to see how easy they settle afterwards.......if you see one being used, I'm sure you'll grasp what I'm on about.
The bird also looks very comfortable & content on them, even a 'fresh' bird that has just been taken up.

Regards,
Lucky.

Regards,
Lucky.

GoneHawking
02-12-2004, 05:56 PM
Like I said, Sounds like a good perch and worth a try, Thanks for the input.

The Late Lord Lucan
02-12-2004, 06:13 PM
WW wrote

any chance of some pictures up on here to show everyone what you are all talking about?


http://www.raptororiginals.co.uk/new_page_5.htm


Maybe the guy who sells them is on the list and may offer some better pictures and a better description, if not, you could try mailing him for more info, in the mean time I'll see if I can get some better pictures than the ones on his site sorted out.
I'll have to drop him a mail first to make sure he has no problem with this..........who could argue against a 'free plug'!

Regards,
LLL.

Wightwings
02-12-2004, 06:15 PM
just seen your piccy LLL, thats what i would call a manning post and they are VERY effective for bringing on young birds. They are also easy to make.
i agree the bird will find it difficult to hang from this one.

Grand Master Falconer
02-12-2004, 06:52 PM
I haven't read all the posts but i'm with Varmint on this one, a correctly position screen perch, IE one on which the falcon only faces one way and thats towards the door of the mews. Also the bird must be teathered properly, every heard the expression " given enough rope to hang yourself" ?
It is impossible for a bird to mute on its equipment while on a screen, that saves you work and money and the bird from possible infection.
They are also four feet higher than any of their mutes since they land on the floor beneath the screen.
The bird is more comfortable with your approach as she is at your level rather than being towered over by you if she were on the floor.
The bird in winter is far less likely to get frost bite, since it is further from the ground.
More birds can be tethered in closer proximity.
You can put an untrained falcon on a screen and it won't bate off.
Beleive me there are considerably more things going for screens than against, as with Varmint I have been a Professional falconer for 18 years flying and manageing a minimum team of 12-20 falcons and hawks, I have never had one incedent that would change my resolve.

If the bird is ill in the night and needs to lay down? well i'm sorry but any falconer worth his salt would be able to see if his falcon were that ill and would take her to the vet or at least make alternative sleeping arrangements for her.
The only instances i've heard of are second or third hand and rather like the stories I hear people tell of their Gos sitting in the tree and I had to get ............... They all sound too similar (like they all read it in the same book!!!)
Yes if you don't tie her properly and she has too much leash she may bate off and be so far down the screen she will hang and die, but that is the fault of the falconer NOT the screen perch.
I could not reccomend screen perches highly enough they are great, but granted you have know how to tie off properly and position the screen right for it to work.
Best Wishes
Rick

GoneHawking
02-12-2004, 08:39 PM
Again well said rick I agree totaly and will continue to use it along with other perches.

Wightwings
02-12-2004, 09:33 PM
some great posts on here and VERY interesting views.

Varmint
03-12-2004, 08:04 AM
There's no doubt, that any bird feels more secure the higher it sits (hense the gravity manning method!)

For years people have been experimenting with variations of the Screen, High Ring Perch, Waller Round Perch (Post Perch variation), Loop Perch ect, ect.

But Funny isn't it? that if you visit any Serious Longwinger or Accip Austringer, and there always seem's to be a Screen Somewhere?

There are many many variations, i myself came up with one for imprinting Gos's... It was a 3ft x 2ft box cadge, with legs so that it stood at approx 4ft.

When the Gos was small, i would keep it on an artificial nest in the centre of the box, until it started branching and sitting around the edge of the box cadge.
I set a sampo swivel to a 1 inch bungy, and then teathered the bird loosley to the centre of the box floor.

It could sit on any of the four edges, it could bate away, usually just to another edge, it was pristine in feather and very very steady but one flaw!!!

The amount of mewts that gathered in the box.

Maybe a mesh base would work, who knows? but follow tradition and develop what works for you?

(and don't imprint a Gos in the middle of your living room unless you plan to re decorate!! :lol: )

Varmint
03-12-2004, 08:22 AM
For what it's worth, a screen perch can be very easy to make?

Suspend a spar of wood across the building, facing the door approx 4ft off the ground (3 x2 is best with the 2" on top)

Cover with a canvass, carpet, old curtain, whatever...... so long as your able to allow it full Verticle drop and it's reasonably taught (weight at the bottom like chain stitched into material)

Now the clever bit?

Get a piece of thin sheet metal approx 16" long and 8 1/2" wide.
Bend it over the bar and shape exactly to conture.
Cover in rubber GlUe, and Glue a chunky rubber car mat to it.
Take the metal off the Bar and cut off the excess rubber.

Replace over the bar, and you've got a Rubber Surfaced Screen Perch!

Hawkmaster
03-12-2004, 09:28 AM
Pictures gentlemen? lol

GoneHawking
03-12-2004, 01:13 PM
Varmint, I was thinking the same thing about the serious falconers/austringers, I'm talking Upton, Frank and the like, Still using screen perches and always have. I like the sound of the screen perch you mention.
I think the trouble is that newcomers to the sport are brainwashed into copying what the trendy falconry book of the day says, I'm sure the likes of Mavrogordato, Upton, Blain Stevens to name but a few were not wrong in the perches they used or the methods they practised. Many modern inventions in the falconry world have certainly improved the way we practise the sport but its also true many have made the new age falconer sloppy in his skills of the art, mainly because he or she has very little time to practise the sport to a high level, We could argue the rights and wrongs all day but each to his own, I will continue to use advise given from the old masters and my own methods rather than listen to falconers of little experience. Just my opinion.

Grand Master Falconer
03-12-2004, 02:15 PM
Gonehawking.
I feel most 'new inventions' have probably been tried before and have become obselete almost as quickly as they apeared, I find it difficult to believe that a sport which once provided a means of staying alive has not, through the centurys, tried many different methods and ideas.
The ones that have been passed down will prevail so long as the likes of you and me ( and Varmint!!) press our point home and pass on what we have learnt from the old Masters, I grew up a stones throw from Laurent de Bastia, and altough he was already quite old when I first met him I new him for a number of years before he sadly passed on, Jack Mavro and him as Saker enthusiasts were childhood heros to me and although I never got to meet Jack he was a great friend of Laurent so I heard a lot of his stories second hand. I also met a number of his old birds (Laurent kept them in his draw, taxidermified, along with many of his own!!) With the likes of Jack and Laurent went the last of the proper old school Falconers, but the likes of Steven Frank and Roger Upton carry on their traditional hawking style and indeed I hope one day to be considered alongside falconers of this ilk, as one who fights for the traditional sport of falconry.
And as for Laurent I have many great memories which I will treasure until the day I join him and Jack in the great hawking club.
Our efforts will ensure in 4000 years time people will still be argueing about the stuff we discuss here on FF
Although then falconry forum will probably telepathically transmitted lol

Best Wishes
Rick

GoneHawking
03-12-2004, 02:59 PM
Rick, Wow Lorant de Bastyai the founder of the welsh hawking club and long term friend of Mavrogordato, what a guy to have known, Mavrogordato and Upton will remain my idols and I never tire of reading there books and taking onboard their words of wisdom, Roger Upton is probably one of the last surivors of that early era(spoke to him the other day about his new book) and he still sounds as young as ever and Stephen Frank practises the art with a youthfull desire that put most to youngens to shame, I will indeed endeavour to practise the sport in the ways shown and mastered by the old school falconers.
Glad to hear there are still a few who care about the history that made the sport it is so great today.

Grand Master Falconer
03-12-2004, 04:15 PM
Laurent , sorry my spellings poo, Lorants' house (maisonette) was like a shrine to falconry, the walls adorned with leather hawking bags, every hood imaginable, gloves books stuffed falcons and countless pictures, both photos and paintings, along the back wall a large dresser which again was covered with books and hoods and in the drawers below was where he kept the taxidermified remains of many of his best falcons. His stories of flights and an accident over shakespears grave with Sultana, will stay with me forever. He was a real gent and I appreciate how lucky I was that he felt able to share these tales with me. I wonder where some of that cinefilm of him and Jack is now, some truely classic game hawking footage.
His dedication was unwavering, He had a Lannerette at the end called Leslie, he had the most remarkable 'pink' breast (the lannerette lol) and his mews was a box perch in the utility room.
Whenever he could summon the energy he would get his wife to drive him over to see me in his delightfull old Morris minor traveller.
I always remember him once making a joke in his broken English about his books, I'd asked him to sign a copy for me and he said
" If you could find a book written by me that isn't signed it will be worth a fortune!"
That says a great deal about Lorants genuine aproach to life and everyone he met, He never considered himself to be any different to anyone else his modesty was as remarkable as he was!! I feel I'm writing an obituary, when Lorant Died there wasn't a falconry forum or equivelant so many will not even know his name. But rest assured although he was a man of small physical stature, he was a big man in every sense and he is missed by his family and our sport.
I don't know how to finnish this post, but if we could all find a little bit of Lorant in ourselves the world would be a better place.

GoneHawking
03-12-2004, 05:12 PM
A fantastic post and i'm sure the great man would be very proud of your kind chosen words.

Bill
03-12-2004, 05:13 PM
I've used screen perches and they are certainly good where you have a number of birds.
If you have just one harris and enough space free lofting is good once trained.
For those who need it here is a couple of ways to tie the hawk to a screen perch, in all cases tuck the loose ends down between the screens.

Wightwings
03-12-2004, 05:35 PM
just me i suppose but i have always looped the leash over the end of the jesses and secured them down at the end along with the swivel. it makes the jesses a little shorter and gives me a bit more piece of mind.

Gaz
03-12-2004, 05:45 PM
Told your missus you was a muppet Chris :lol: :mrgreen:

Bill
03-12-2004, 06:10 PM
just me i suppose but i have always looped the leash over the end of the jesses and secured them down at the end along with the swivel. it makes the jesses a little shorter and gives me a bit more piece of mind.

Does that not give more potential for the jesses to twist and tangle?

Grand Master Falconer
03-12-2004, 06:43 PM
of bills pictures, the top one is how I ty off on a screen, however I have screens made of a sheet(screen) of green windbreak mesh from the garden centre, over 4x2 timber, a 2x2 timber is then sewed into the bottom of the screen to hold it taught, over the screen there is leather along the top, sides and under the timber (this prevents the screen material getting mashed by talons), then on top of the leather there is an area astro turfed where the falcon perches, a whole is then made as close as posible under the perching area through the sceen which is then secured by means of a leather washer with an eyelet going throo it. if you tie the knot as shown in bills picture, tight on the front most bottom 'corner' of the screen perch, you can then rotate the whole knot under the overhang provided by the thickness of the timber. Therby keeping her equipment from getting muted on. also prevents them twattting aboot with equipment.
That confused me and I wrote it!! LOL
sorry everyone if I went off the thread a bit in my earlier post!
Rick

The Late Lord Lucan
03-12-2004, 07:08 PM
I think the trouble is that newcomers to the sport are brainwashed into copying what the trendy falconry book of the day says


its also true many have made the new age falconer sloppy in his skills of the art


I will continue to use advise given from the old masters and my own methods rather than listen to falconers of little experience


Word spread across the countryside about a Wise Man who lived in a small house atop the mountain. A man from the village decided to make the long and difficult journey to visit him.

When he arrived at the house, he saw an old servant inside who came to greet him at the door.

"I would like to see the Wise Man," he said to the servant.

The servant smiled and led him inside. As they walked through the house, the man from the village looked eagerly around the house, anticipating his encounter with the Wise Man.
Before he knew it, he had been led to the back door and escorted outside. He stopped and turned to the servant,

"But I want to see the Wise Man!"

"You already have," said the old man. "Everyone you may meet in life, even if they appear plain and insignificant... see each of them as a Wise Man. If you do this, then whatever problem you brought here today will be solved."

Wightwings
03-12-2004, 07:20 PM
just me i suppose but i have always looped the leash over the end of the jesses and secured them down at the end along with the swivel. it makes the jesses a little shorter and gives me a bit more piece of mind.

Does that not give more potential for the jesses to twist and tangle?

not from my own experience bill. but i see were you are coming from, i tend to lay them out flat and untwisted then tie them off.

i have had birds bate ( some a lot in the early stages ) and never had a prob with them tangling

Grand Master Falconer
04-12-2004, 07:45 AM
Heres a picture of screen with Gyr/Peregrine x Saker on it:

Grand Master Falconer
04-12-2004, 07:50 AM
Hooooraay. Hey i'm getting good at this computer stuff now!!!!
This is the single bird screen obviously in the day mews, where the falcon spends the day if it is as cold and frosty as it is here today!!!
As I said in my earlier post, the screen is positioned so the bird always faces the door, you can see why she wouldn't bother facing the other way!!
I hope seeing this photo will help explain my rambling attempts to describe how I make my screen lol
Rick

P.s if the bird looks like she just woke up its cos she has!!

Grand Master Falconer
04-12-2004, 02:46 PM
Photos of my screens in the mews in glen Nevis:

Grand Master Falconer
04-12-2004, 02:49 PM
The screen at Home shows how close you can teather falcons with out disputes!!

GoneHawking
04-12-2004, 04:24 PM
First class, excellent mews setup.

Wilfred
27-05-2005, 09:22 AM
Hello,

For people who could read german. the site www.falknerei.de is very interesting. Also because of the online articles of beizjagd.de. One of the articles is about "die reckanbindung"

Sehe bei http://www.falknerei.de/beizjagd/indexB37.php

This article has a lot of pictures added so i guess the English guys and girls would also be able to learn the knot from this article...

Kind regards,

Wilfred

Moses
13-08-2005, 09:38 PM
man i just posted about it didnt realise their was a thread already

cheers , is it true does it damage the tail feathers alot if they bait etc

cheers

Wightwings
14-08-2005, 07:05 AM
im going to be using one for my Gos and looking to move the HH on to it once he's finiished moutling and re claimed. Personnly i kep a tail guard on the all the time when teathered just ensure thetail is always dry before putting awy.

Chris

Goose
14-08-2005, 09:36 AM
For what it's worth, a screen perch can be very easy to make?

Suspend a spar of wood across the building, facing the door approx 4ft off the ground (3 x2 is best with the 2" on top)

Cover with a canvass, carpet, old curtain, whatever...... so long as your able to allow it full Verticle drop and it's reasonably taught (weight at the bottom like chain stitched into material)

Now the clever bit?

Get a piece of thin sheet metal approx 16" long and 8 1/2" wide.
Bend it over the bar and shape exactly to conture.
Cover in rubber GlUe, and Glue a chunky rubber car mat to it.
Take the metal off the Bar and cut off the excess rubber.

Replace over the bar, and you've got a Rubber Surfaced Screen Perch!






Sorry to be a bit thick but could you post a photo,..... lost me wiyh the metal bit!!!!!!

Moritz
14-08-2005, 10:34 AM
In Germany most falconers use screen perches all the time. Most has been said by Adrian and the others. The only thing that comes to my mind is what a falconer told me about 4 years ago. When training a new bird he puts one of the one way baby phones next to it and takes the receiver with him. When the birds jumps of and hangs down he could hear the bells and go and help the bird to get up again. Sounds quite a good idea to me and I will try it with my new falcons.

Moritz

Moses
14-08-2005, 01:27 PM
im going to be using one for my Gos and looking to move the HH on to it once he's finiished moutling and re claimed. Personnly i kep a tail guard on the all the time when teathered just ensure thetail is always dry before putting awy.

Chris

nice one mate :)

thanks

OutFlying
19-08-2005, 07:04 PM
This is how I tether the goshawk to the screen perch, no leash used. Just use longer mews jesses and a sampo swivel attached to the threaded chain repair link as shown in photograph. Never had tangled jesses or a problem. Used by all my I know who use a screen perch. The link is free to move side to side or up and down. Just hold the hawk vertical above the link then using free hand tighten the link to close round the swivel - job done.

Hope this helps Mark (Gonehawking).

OutFlying
19-08-2005, 07:07 PM
Photographs of screen perch.

ps No it is not in use at the moment and was never used in a garage. :wink:

GoneHawking
19-08-2005, 08:02 PM
Jim, looks the nuts mate, I will be making one ASAP.

OutFlying
19-08-2005, 08:03 PM
Glad to be of help

Adam Barrett
19-08-2005, 09:26 PM
nice one OF
8) might have a crack myself at one-what is the screen weighted down with?

Falconry Equipment International
19-08-2005, 09:56 PM
funnily enough OF this is what I use on my Screens ( phophour bronze , V expensive , but I beleive worth it)

Gaz
20-08-2005, 01:47 AM
what is the screen weighted down with?
Gert fatty Gos :finga:

Talib
20-08-2005, 06:23 AM
GoneHawking wrote:
Jim, looks the nuts mate, I will be making one ASAP

Don't use loop-piled carpet as in the example or on any perch covering for birds of prey... its the quickest way of ending up with pulled-out talons and breaking minor toes that there is... especially in the smaller species.
Small/sharp talons hook under the loops, bird jumps off... lots of blood and a long wait for the talon to grow again... if it does.

Talib

OutFlying
20-08-2005, 06:23 AM
nice one OF
8) might have a crack myself at one-what is the screen weighted down with?

scaffolding pole, but a piece of wood will do

OutFlying
20-08-2005, 06:35 AM
GoneHawking wrote:
Jim, looks the nuts mate, I will be making one ASAP

Don't use loop-piled carpet as in the example or on any perch covering for birds of prey... its the quickest way of ending up with pulled-out talons and breaking minor toes that there is... especially in the smaller species.
Small/sharp talons hook under the loops, bird jumps off... lots of blood and a long wait for the talon to grow again... if it does.

Talib

Correct Talib.

Moses
22-08-2005, 10:31 AM
i read in emma fords very old book mews and field when a bird baits and if it cant get up it will be hanging down and if the falconer doesnt realise it, the hawk can die , is it true can it break alot of feathers if the bird baits alot

cheers

OutFlying
22-08-2005, 02:54 PM
i read in emma fords very old book mews and field when a bird baits and if it cant get up it will be hanging down and if the falconer doesnt realise it, the hawk can die , is it true can it break alot of feathers if the bird baits alot

cheers

Moses - why can't a fit healthy hawk not regain it perch ? You should be observant on your hawks condition and if in doubt don't place it on the screen perch.

If hawks are dieing and breaking feathers all the time - don't you think that nobody would use it anymore ??????????? But they do with no problems.

OF.

MattSpar
30-10-2005, 06:50 PM
"Grand Master Falconer" obviously holds the "Falconers of old" in high esteem, and rightly so (arguably). Tradition is a very fine thing, but should not be adhered to slavishly simply because of famous falconers of the past. Something better should be used, if it comes along. Regarding screen perches, something better has come along in the shape of the shelf perch. Properly constructed, it is roomy enough for a bird to lie down on, which they like to do at times (and birds, like us, CAN suddenly be taken ill in the night), needs no practice to regain after a bate, and, if used in conjunction with a loop leash (Nick Fox), tangles are practically impossible. Also, as the bird sits facing inwards, the perch is kept free of mutes.
I must agree with Lord Lucan here. Screen perches are outmoded.

HawkNorth
07-02-2006, 08:15 PM
does anyone use the loop perch as describe in Emma fords book

OutFlying
07-02-2006, 09:29 PM
using one with the imprint female - it works well.

Mary Quite Contrary
08-02-2006, 03:32 PM
does anyone use the loop perch as describe in Emma fords book




What one of her books.

OutFlying
08-02-2006, 05:38 PM
Falconry Art and Practice

Adam Barrett
15-04-2006, 09:57 AM
Knocked this screen perch up yesterday, hopefully for a tiercel gos next year.
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=12795&stc=1&d=1145094744

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=12794&stc=1&d=1145094744


What do you think?
Yours
Adam

Tim Laycock
15-04-2006, 10:49 AM
How taught is the screen Adam?

Is it double thickness? (can it be opened out to 45 degrees for the new hawk to adjust to how the perch is regained after a bate)

Adam Barrett
15-04-2006, 12:39 PM
Hi tim,
Thanks for the reply, yes the screen is double thickness on each side of the bar that weighs the screen down. At the moment the screen hangs vertically but it shouldent be to much of a job to pull seperate it so it hangs down at a angle on each side. would you recomend doing this for the new eyass, then later changing the screen back in to the vertical postion?
Thanks
Adam

Kevin Massey
29-05-2006, 07:29 PM
so if i get this right the 2 sides come out from the bottom to 45 degrees (adjustable)....is this to cussion the hawk while manning?

OutFlying
29-05-2006, 07:36 PM
Not to cushion but make regaining the perch easier.

Kevin Massey
29-05-2006, 07:39 PM
cheers jim

Jorge Sales Lisboa
03-07-2006, 01:25 PM
Respected friends of this forum

For many years I have been using Screen Perch with several species of birds, Bicolored Hawk, Harris Hawk, Aplomados Falcon and other species. The birds that are of wild origin, I sometimes stayed up to 5 hours or more to observe if they got to come back for the perch, and I never had problems, but some other friends that used Screen Perch, mainly with birds imprint, they already had very bad results, besides with the death of the bird. A problem that I always had was an or again the bird to break some featherses of the tail. Well, lately I saw a friend hawker from Argentina that used a type of " Round Screen Perch ", and I was impressed with the state of the plumage of your birds. I intend to build some of these " Round Screen Perch " and to begin to use. Some pictures that I posted of " Round Screen Perch ", of this friend in other forums had some critics, as being necessary the placement of a wire screen in the interior to avoid the bird to pass and to wind in the wire structure. I would like to know your opinion, those that you that use "Round Screen Perch", if it can me to send some pictures, drawings, or something that helps me to build, I am very grateful.

Position to follow some pictures of Screen traditional Perch that use and the pictures of the hawker's Round Screen Perch from Argentina.

FlameHairedFalconer
03-07-2006, 01:34 PM
Can you resize the bigger pics of the screen, they have pixilated badly and are hard to see.

Thanks

FHF

Jorge Sales Lisboa
03-07-2006, 04:49 PM
Sorry for other pictures

Barkai
16-07-2008, 04:57 PM
Gonehawking wrote

and also

I totally agreee with you on both points here, I have read and re-read my posts and don't recall typing anything to the contrary. However after reading & re-reading your posts it seems that you have the impression that maybe I was disagreeing or somehow saying that you are wrong.
My first post was 'in my opinion', and I stand by my opinion that I feel they shouldn't be used. Most people can't give the 100% supervision that I personally think should be given when using this type of perch.
There are alternatives.
Here is one as an example. ('the raptor post')

http://www.raptororiginals.co.uk/new_page_5.htm

Regards,
Lucky.

I fined "the raptor post" to be far worse than a screen perch.

Cheers,
Stephen