swap

[BrianM]

hi guys
ive been offered a male and a female Gyr/Saker 2 year olds.. both being flown... for my female harris whos 1 year old taking ff......

what do you guys think

[North East Harris Hawker]

have you got the ground available to fly the longwings?
and why does matey want rid of his falcons?

[BrianM]

i fly a peregrine just now........ they are part of a breeding project that hes breaking up

[Shaun Byrne]

Its down to you Brian, it'll take a lot of flying to keep them all fit tho mate!
What would you fly them at?

[North East Harris Hawker]

if they are proven breeders and you want to breed then i would go for it, but if your thinking about flying the gyr/sakers, well why? you already have the best falcon on offer, id keep the the best hawk on offer too. then you have the best of both worlds 8)
decisions decisions!

[BrianM]

i know iknow but you know what its like when somone wiggles a deal under your nose.............. i have partridge / pigeon/ crows rooks and duck. on my hunting ground

[Debbie]

My sentiments exactly NEHH :D

I would never give up a Harris Hawk they really are great all round birds.

One thing I have noticed is that no matter what people have flown they always come back to the Harris Hawk at the end of the day.

If yours is a gooden don't part with her, cos you'll regret it :wink:

And I dont mean the wife :roll:

Debbs

[BrianM]

hey if it was the wife ........... lets just say i wouldnt want anything in return..............lol

[BrianM]

my wifes a tease and a liar....... she keeps saying shes going to leave me........... but shes still here ........................................lol

[Wightwings]

lmao id chuck mine in too Brian!!!

seems a strange swap????? are they 50/50 birds or is there a bit of prairie etc in there as there does tend to be?

I do like the gyr/saker hybrids but its all down to what you want really. is she your only HH? if so do you want to go just longwings? etc etc

[BrianM]

they are just 50/50 Chris.. id stil have my little male hh...... just seemes too good to be true?? .............. whats the going rate for a gyr/saker??

[Wightwings]

not sure to be truthfull, but a good male 50/50 must come in at least the same as a good MHH? last one i bought did have prairie in there and he was around £300 but LATE in the season and last of the brood, poss even second clutch.( must admit i never asked that one :oops: ) was a superb bird tho

must admit sounds a good deal and I personnaly would be VERY tempted.
especially if you do know the guy. dont want to pry too much but.................mmm what's a good FHH thats doing the biz worth?.......?

[BrianM]

my heart says go for it but the wee voice in my head say why doesnt he just sell the birds and buy a hh and have money left over??

[North East Harris Hawker]

keep your harris mate... you know it makes sense :wink:

[Colohen]

Sounds like a great deal! if you have flying room for this type raptor, plus you will require more houseing space , more food ! ect...........
Are you attached to the bird you have now? I would not take a dozen per-falco"s for my goshawk , then again, no one else would have the demon!
If I were not attached to my gos , as I am , I"d go for it !

[RichW]

Are the falcons proven on game? Do you want to hunt them or breed them? It sounds like a too good to be true scenario to me. I would be a bit sceptical aboot whats wrong with his birds. All in all it's your call. I would investigate a little bit and probably go for it, if everything seemed on the up and up.
Rich

[Grand Master Falconer]

Brian don't mean to be picky but if they're both 2 years old and being flown how are they part of a breeding program???
Female hybrids are rarely fertile so if you have one you know to be fertile you would be foolish to fly it or swap it for a female harris for that matter, personally i'd excersize a bit of caution on this deal. Do you know the bloke, is his name Arther??

As in Daley?

Best wishes
Rick

[Want-a-Saker.]

fertile or not fertile, I'd swap for them provided you were happy with their general condition and seen them fly.

[Lloydparabuteo]

As everyone else says, it is going to take some hard work as you will be taking on a couple of long wings to train at the same time (if that is what you choose to do), Sounds like it might be easier for this guy to get hold of a fully trained female harris hawk than get one and do it all himself. If there is nothing wrong with the Gyr/Saker's then i would go for it, you have your male so you are still able to go out with a hawk. It is just down to whether you are going to take the chance with the falcons, and hope they are ok.

Luke

[Lloydparabuteo]

In all i think that this question is a difficult one to get an answer to on the forum, as there are members who may not have nor flown a longwing and would jump for the chance to have one, and members who have not had birds for very long and can not imagine swapping the one they have, and then other members who have done it all before and are used to it. It is going to be tricky to get an answer from so many falconers and austringers that range from novice to experienced. P.s. you also have those people who don't have birds and would love one and don't yet know what it is like.

Luke

[Want-a-Saker.]

Training one Gyr-Saker is hard enough, I can only imagine the ballache of training and keeping three longwings fit at the same time........

I'd give it plenty of thought either way.
Good Luck!

[Matt]

me id do the swop and bang um in a pen to breed just fly your male hh for the rest of the season its not long till its time they start to think about breeding and u could be lucky and get a clutch. if they do quids in if they dont you could sell them as a bonded pair and buy your self a nice new harris. duno m8 its ur choice.
all the best and keep us informad m8
matt

[BrianM]

ive got some piccys of the birds so i will post them asap

[BrianM]

male gyr/saker

[BrianM]

female gyr/saker

[BrianM]

what do you think???

[Wightwings]

the male looks bigger than the fem!!!!!!! nice birds Brian. Id have to think very seriously about it.

its hard to "advise" shes your bird but i must admit if these two are genuine i be tempted. I hear what others are saying about the possible reasons he may have but a little research on your part for peice of mind and hey?????????????

keep is informed Brian.

[BrianM]

em thats coz ive got the picys mixed up Chris ...... lol gonna have have a think about it i cant do anything till xmas week ,,, too busy at work

[Matt]

DO IT DO IT . c-mon bri
they look good m8 even if there not the best in the world they will still do what a harris can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i await all the abuse
matt

[BrianM]

hi guys ........ after a lot of thought ive decided to keep my female harris weve just been thruogh to much together.... i got her at 17 weeks and after a lot of hard work( she footed me on the face) shes now my best bird soft as putty,,, i dont even use a glove when i pick her up..... but chris is still looking to do a swap .. male and female Gyr/Sakers for a female harris hawk flying at 2lb 7oz contact him at sian.ibbetson@tesco.net

[Wightwings]

sounds like you made the right choice Brian :D :D im sure your girl will bag you a nice bit of sunday lunch next time out. :D

[North East Harris Hawker]

he wants a big harris! there are not a lot around that kill at 2lb 7 :shock:

[Shaun Byrne]

I've got one, she's slow as.... at that though

[Jazz]

you should always make sure of the age of the birds

[Jazz]

especially if you want to breed

[BrianM]

have you just come in from the pub jazz.... lol.... this was back in december 04 ,, all done and dusted now...................lol