Thinking about geting a Gos.. lil advice please..!

[Sorted Youth]

Hey,

Have kept and trainined a common buzzard and now after looking and talkin to people.. think i shud get a gos

Was wondering a few things..

Are the finnish gos's biggest and best hunters?

Are they hard to train?

Are they aggressive

and do they work well with dogs?

Thanks

[Jackson]

i have little experience with goshawks but i do know they take up an awful lotof time and are very demanding!
im sure theres the more experienced who wll be able to help you!
x

[SparsTheOne]

to be honest mate going from a buzzard to goshawk is a bad move,go for a harris or a redtail next,and get it hunting really well before even thinking about a goshawk.

goshawks are not beginners birds at all,and its lot of money to lose if you get it wrong.


jase.

[MickeyDredd]

Ahem, moved from Broadwings.

[MickeyDredd]

Hey,

Have kept and trainined a common buzzard and now after looking and talkin to people.. think i shud get a gos

Thanks

I thought you have been flying a FRT?

[Bones]

to be honest mate going from a buzzard to goshawk is a bad move,go for a harris or a redtail next,and get it hunting really well before even thinking about a goshawk.

goshawks are not beginners birds at all,and its lot of money to lose if you get it wrong.


jase.

Will second what Jase has said not trying to correct Jase in any way as he is more knowledgeable then me but would if anything go for a Redtail next more so then a HH as a red is less forgiving and i would say slightly harder to train and get hunting succesfully on a regular basis then a HH and would probably stand you better for getting a goss next

Just my oppinion

For what its worth i have flown reds and HH for years and ive found the goss i purchased this season after a long debate on wether to or not a lot more work then i thought so take your time and make the right decision mate

PAUL

[FireAsh123]

well there hard if you so something wrong and show aggression.
i started this season with my first gos and i took him down a little to quickly and he started to show aggresion. and took me ages to man if cose of it. but now is as steady as anything. and is only a little bit grumpy at the worst of times.
i think anyone who is starting with a gos should have a experienced gos man at hand. and this forum. as it helped me no end.
iv just started introducing my goss to dogs now. im doing the slowly slowly aproach. just letting hi bump into them now and then. then guna get a friends dog to come on some walks. i dont think it will take long. i only trained a hh before this and can say they are like two different animals. cant really comment about how big a step it is with a buzzard. but i have been studying falconry for years then had a hh for 3 seasons and then got a gos and i had massive problems that i thought i may not be able to cure.
just want to stress that if all goes well with training then it could be easy but if like me you may make one misstake then yes there bloody hard work. but id say worth every effort though.
id like to stress though that i work 2 days every 8 so have spent loads of time on my bird and hunting it now as much as possible. maybe someone with less time may have struggled with my bird.

[Sorted Youth]

Sorry for the inconvienience, this is my friends acc.. i use it to post and read up on things.. it is him who flys the fRT... sorry for the confusion


i actually have a c-buzzard

[SparsTheOne]

Hey,

Have kept and trainined a common buzzard and now after looking and talkin to people.. think i shud get a gos

Was wondering a few things..

Are the finnish gos's biggest and best hunters?

Are they hard to train?

Are they aggressive

and do they work well with dogs?

Thanks

also take a look at the goshawk dairys in the shortwing section,BUT please take into account that most of the guys in there have been flying goses for years, and can make it sound alot easier than it is,you will need alot of time and lots of quarry to get the best out of a gos,but with out the latter you will be wasting your time to be fair,if I didnt have two shoots very close to my house I wouldn,t be flying a gos,it would have to be a spar for me.

jase.

[Sorted Youth]

Right i see

But..are spars jsut as capable as goss's as taking decent quarry?

THere very small?

[FireAsh123]

can make it sound alot easier than it is,you will need alot of time and lots of quarry to get the best out of a gos,but with out the latter you will be wasting your time to be fair,if I didnt have two shoots very close to my house I wouldn,t be flying a gos,it would have to be a spar for me.

jase.

i agree jase.

wish i waited a year longer. and went out with more shortwingers. as i wasnt till i got one that i relized how little i knew..

do you have any shortwingers to go flying with youth?

[FireAsh123]

Right i see

But..are spars jsut as capable as goss's as taking decent quarry?

THere very small?

i think if you was really into shortwings and was ready for one you would know the answers to that.

[Redeye]

From reading your post it sounds as though you dont know anyone with a gos?
If you have made a decent fist of the cb and feel the need for something with more oomph I would as has been suggested go for a rt ideally or if you have more feather a HH. Fly it for several seasons and your have great fun, put all thoughts of a gos out of your head for now at least.
At the same time try and get out with a club and see some decent ones fly see as many as possible because it may take some time to find the good ones. And then try & judge what you would gain from flying one.

[SparsTheOne]

Right i see

But..are spars jsut as capable as goss's as taking decent quarry?

THere very small?

yes there very good at taking all types of quarry,BUTlol, you should leave the spars well alone until you have flown a gos well for a few seasons.


i,m not try to hammer you here,you need to go bout this in the right way,my fav hawk is the spar then the gos,but you cant just jump in with both feet without knowing what you are doing first,i,ve flying hawks for 21 years and started with a common buzzard,in that time I have flown 5 goses 3 out of the 5 were billiant because I knew what I was doing,the other 2 weren,t very good as I got then before I was ready to fly hunt then even though I had the land and the quarry to do them justice.

jase.

[Sorted Youth]

Right im with you

Im kind of in two mind.. as i enjoy seeing air and ground quarry being taken.. and as gos's are very fast and agile..a nd can take both of tho.. i thaught it wud be best for me?

[Jackson]

Right im with you

Im kind of in two mind.. as i enjoy seeing air and ground quarry being taken.. and as gos's are very fast and agile..a nd can take both of tho.. i thaught it wud be best for me?

i harris can take feather - well pheasants!!

have you got anyone round you with a gis? a mentor with experience? or a club? trying and find one so that you can experience flying a gos in the safety of knowledgable falconers!

atb
sarah
xx

[Sorted Youth]

Yeah i have a friend with a frt, and a very experianced falconer and breeder who i work with.. we are going up scotland in febuary, and takin a gos and 8 harri's

i ahve learn all i kno from those 2 and other at my work place, and alot from book and internet

after training my c-buzzaard.. i feel i want somthink.. more powerfull, or quicker

i got the buzzard out hunting. but he only has small ish feet.. so he has only had 4 medium rabbbits

[SparsTheOne]

Right im with you

Im kind of in two mind.. as i enjoy seeing air and ground quarry being taken.. and as gos's are very fast and agile..a nd can take both of tho.. i thaught it wud be best for me?


They are the best at what they do,air and ground quarry are always taken with them,but its the handling and training of them that I think you are just not ready for.

I had some problems with my bird this year and if I couldnt have phoneD certain people on this forum to help me out things could well of gone tits up,(and you know who you are,cheers guys)i,m saying this because i,ve been flying them for a long time and i,m alway learning,and just being goshawks, there to catch you out lol.
just bite the bullit for a few year and get one when you are ready for it,the day will come mate honest.


jase.

[Sorted Youth]

Right... well i see what you are all saying now.. and now u pointed it out.. i actually dont tihnk i am ready for it...

im only 16 and i found training the CB was very easy.. so i thaught a gos would not be much diffrent.. but obviasly.. i was wrong!

[SparsTheOne]

Well GAZ has just got here and i,m off out hunting his female gos,i,ve already flown mine lol.

I hope i,ve been some help,all the best..


jase.

[Jackson]

Right... well i see what you are all saying now.. and now u pointed it out.. i actually dont tihnk i am ready for it...

im only 16 and i found training the CB was very easy.. so i thaught a gos would not be much diffrent.. but obviasly.. i was wrong!

perhaps in the future when you have more time and knowledge youll be ale to get a gos - they are stunnin birds!

for now if you realy ant something more than a buzard - then a rt would probably suit you or a hh as has been suggested!

what will happen to the buzzard when you get a new bird? i take your not just gonna pass him over for the new bird???

atb
sarah
xx

[Sorted Youth]

No.. i dont hunt with my buzzard atm anyways.. he is living at my work place..a nd being used in demonstrations.. he is a great flyer from A-B

great temperment.. and very noisy

my neigbors was makin complaints.. that another reason why i want him to be at work

[Jackson]

No.. i dont hunt with my buzzard atm anyways.. he is living at my work place..a nd being used in demonstrations.. he is a great flyer from A-B

great temperment.. and very noisy

my neigbors was makin complaints.. that another reason why i want him to be at work

oh i see - where do you work? so did you hunt with the buzzard? cos hunting and demonstration ar every different! also buzzards a re renouwned for being lazy workers and not brilliant falconry birds and hence this may have caused your slight disapoinment with him! try a hh or rt - brillaint birds to fly and hunt with!!
xx

[Sorted Youth]

What i have found, and what i have been told, is he is not a good hunter.. because of his small feet

and in demo he is great.. much better than all the other harris's

they call himt he speed demon..

as long as he is on weight.. he is best flying bird they got

[FireAsh123]

did you train him from scratch yourself youth? he sounds like a very nice cb. 4 rabbits is good. the best iv seen caught a mouse and was told thats as good as it gets with her lol. so sounds like you done well with him.

[Sorted Youth]

Yeha Yeah... all by myself..

i had alot of advice..b ut all the manning and training and excersising and geting fit was done by me

on the rabbits.. i had easy slips, bolted in great positions, he couldnt miss really

now he is used in demo, and doing great

just not sure what to get next.. lol

[A1Gos]

Right i see

But..are spars jsut as capable as goss's as taking decent quarry?

THere very small?
Try B.F.C. Midland Group, they hold meetings in Staffordshire, i was secretary for 9 years and helped lots of young falconers like yourself. Keep away from the Gosses and Spars until you have more experiance

[Sorted Youth]

Right.. well we got a spar at work, and it very skitty with ppl.. we only just got it tho, we are in process of dropping weight very slowly.. and got him jumping about 10ft

looking at our spar.. it look like you need so much time to spend with these birds.. and atm im at a animal care college..

i would not have th time to spend with a spar.. do u need to spend as much time with a Gos as a spar?

[SparsTheOne]

Yes................ :P

take a look at this mate.

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=37275&page=3


jase.

[ChrisGos]

personally I wold go for a redtail. If you cant fly a gos 5 days or more a week you will not get the best out of her/him. They require lots of experience and understanding.

[Dave G]

slow down a little if your working with b.o.p then whats the rush ?? the goss and spar would not be a good bird for you at the moment but im sure in time you will get to train and hunt such birds ? like most have stated get yourself a nice redtail and have a few seasons with it and see how you get on /dave ps how old are you may i ask ;)

[Sorted Youth]

Yeah Yeah.. already read up on that post mate.. thanks tho..

:)

[Sorted Youth]

im 16.. and been intrested in falconry for aobut 4 years, only got into it as much as i do now.. in the past years... had my c-buzzard for a year

:)

[Matthew Lambert]

This thread is what the forum should be like with people getting good advice without the idiots jumping on the lad well done to all who have posted :supz:

[ChrisGos]

im 16.. and been intrested in falconry for aobut 4 years, only got into it as much as i do now.. in the past years... had my c-buzzard for a year

:)

You can take advise or not, its up to you at the end of the day. All I will say is if you go out and get a Gos now you will run into alot of problems. Just listen to the experienced Goshawkers on this forum. At the end of the day it is sound advise.

[Jackson]

You can take advise or not, its up to you at the end of the day. All I will say is if you go out and get a Gos now you will run into alot of problems. Just listen to the experienced Goshawkers on this forum. At the end of the day it is sound advise.

coulnt agree more !!!

[Dave G]

well hope you have many years of flying different b.o.p and stick with the centre as it can only be good for you /dave

[Yeoman]

Do you actually no anyone who is hunting a Gos at the moment
Kev

[Graham Stuart]

This thread is what the forum should be like with people getting good advice without the idiots jumping on the lad well done to all who have posted :supz:
correctamoundo mate...:yawinkle:

[Sorted Youth]

Yeah i kno 2 ppl who are hunting and breeding gos's and they intend on having some chicks next season.. that is another reason why i was interested..

as i could get a gos a lil cheaper than usual price.. and alot easier having one just up the road

Thanks for all you experianced ppl giving me great advice.. you are all great ppl

[ChrisGos]

Yeah i kno 2 ppl who are hunting and breeding gos's and they intend on having some chicks next season.. that is another reason why i was interested..

as i could get a gos a lil cheaper than usual price.. and alot easier having one just up the road

Thanks for all you experianced ppl giving me great advice.. you are all great ppl

Getting a bird cheaper is not really a reason for getting one whatever spieces it is.........

[Sorted Youth]

True.. but one of the reason with him having them is i can ask for advice and kno he is very eperianced.. even tho.. having it cheaper is a bonus..

in previos posts.. i have explained why i wanted a gos.. but realiseing.. im well out of my depth.. im considering other options.. i am only young..a nd every one is saying get a few seasons under my belt.. but i am thinking well to far ahead of myself...

i jsut wanna get in and do it.. when i need to do stage 1 and 2 before i try and do stage 3

[Yeoman]

If you no some one who hunts gosses, spend a few seasons watching them and i mean from scratch straight out of the aviary manning everything see if your friend will let you get involved with the early stages as they are the hardest and stick with it to the finished product
Kev

[BrightRed]

This has been a very constructive thread,
Well done to all who have contributed in giving this lad good sound advice.
These type of responses gives us newbies the confidence to ask questions without being ridiculed as many other threads have shown.

Well done again

[Jackson]

True.. but one of the reason with him having them is i can ask for advice and kno he is very eperianced.. even tho.. having it cheaper is a bonus..

in previos posts.. i have explained why i wanted a gos.. but realiseing.. im well out of my depth.. im considering other options.. i am only young..a nd every one is saying get a few seasons under my belt.. but i am thinking well to far ahead of myself...

i jsut wanna get in and do it.. when i need to do stage 1 and 2 before i try and do stage 3

exactly, you can run until you walk. to be honest there is no rush. it sounds like you have a great centre and o stick with that - youll be able to handle hopefully a vairety of bop - which is an amazing opportunity. at the moment your still young and in college and so rushing into something like a gos cold be a bad idea - it would require an awful lot of your time and money as well as expertise which youre unlikely to have yet. if you want your own bird get a rt or hh - both can be fantastic hunters but are less demanding than a gos. trust m, theres no rush, if your serious about the sport take your time and learn as much as possible from the people around you and the more suitable birds for your circumstance. this will help you loads in the future so that when you do eventualy get a gos you will be able to do it justice and realy get the most out the bird - good forthe bird, better for you becuase you will both be more succesful!! i know you probably feel like you want to run and get every bird pos especialy a gos and realy get stuck in - which is great!!!!! but just think how much you can learn by taking your time and how much experience you will gain in preparation!! also a rt or hh are only 250 ish a gos is 1000 probably more. i know its not all about the money - but you did mention it ;-) also bear in mind that hh can be used for demonstration also!!
atb
sarah

[Sorted Youth]

Thanks, you have been very helpfull... i ws a bit worried at the start, because alot of ppl get abuse when looking like a newbie.. but im not a newbie.. jsut young and dont ahve the years which most of you have

thanks

[Redeye]

Thanks, you have been very helpfull... i ws a bit worried at the start, because alot of ppl get abuse when looking like a newbie.. but im not a newbie.. jsut young and dont ahve the years which most of you have

thanks

ppl who ask for advice in a positive manner will always bar the odd idiot on here be offered good advice. to be honest the last thing most genuine falconers would want is too see as you put it you going jump straight to stage 3 get a gos with all the resultant problems.
if on the other hand you had rocked up on here with a gos already expecting this or that you would no doubt been set for some serious grief!

[Andrew Connor]

It says u fly a rt not a common buzzard

[Tom Kent Gos]

Right.. well we got a spar at work, and it very skitty with ppl.. we only just got it tho, we are in process of dropping weight very slowly.. and got him jumping about 10ft

looking at our spar.. it look like you need so much time to spend with these birds.. and atm im at a animal care college..

i would not have th time to spend with a spar.. do u need to spend as much time with a Gos as a spar?

It is obvious that you do not have alot of experiance by such comments. I dont want to be sharp but you will not enjoy a gos and you will prob kill it. Your more experianced mates should have told you this allready or you should have read this time and time again in the books you have read?!

They are hard work at times mate, I have a mature female that I fly alot and spend lots of time with and she still winds me up. Also you need to catch alot of game with them wich you will need a good dog or good ferrets and someone to work the ferrets for you.

Tom

[GosFlyer]

just in case you get a good gos, spend a season learning how to use telem properly:lol:.

[Jastreb]

Hi,

As Jase said try with HH or RT before gos. If I am on your place I would rather go over RT and than gos. From my experience RTs are definitely harder to train in the meaning of weight control what is very important thing with goses. Also, RTs can properly punish you if you are not doing something right, what I like very much at these birds, and this is also very important cos you don't want to have aggressive gos on your face!
Again I will quote Jase and repeat - IF YOU DON'T HAVE LOTS OF GAME DO NOT TRY GOS!

I will skip importance of dogs in this post :lol: :wink:

Cheers Viktor

[Stu Bailey]

Hi,

As Jase said try with HH or RT before gos. If I am on your place I would rather go over RT and than gos. From my experience RTs are definitely harder to train in the meaning of weight control what is very important thing with goses. Also, RTs can properly punish you if you are not doing something right, what I like very much at these birds, and this is also very important cos you don't want to have aggressive gos on your face!
Again I will quote Jase and repeat - IF YOU DON'T HAVE LOTS OF GAME DO NOT TRY GOS!

I will skip importance of dogs in this post :lol: :wink:

Cheers Viktor

I think thats a good,senible post in my opinion for what its worth..

I hope the thread starter takes note & waits till he's ready..

[Sorted Youth]

Thanks to you all for the advice, im glad that none of you have.. made me feel bad.. and make me not wanna post again.. i kno i can rely on you good posters that ic an ask for advice and get it

thanks

[Peri]

Hi mate good to see that you want a goss but hey,they are hard work.Im married mate but from oct /feb im single.Well thats how it feels,these birds have to be out hunting every day mate or they go in bad moods and if you cant give them the seven days then 4get a goss.Go for a H/H and then take it from there.You get alot of fun with them and good hunting flights also.Think hard mate and all the best.

[W Jenkins]

Hey,

Have kept and trainined a common buzzard and now after looking and talkin to people.. think i shud get a gos

Was wondering a few things..

Are the finnish gos's biggest and best hunters?

Are they hard to train?

Are they aggressive

and do they work well with dogs?

Thanks


Oooooooh **** please give good advise here peeps but nooooo to getting a Goss:razz::razz:


ATB in your decision but please make sure you have someone experienced close bye


Wullie