What kind of swivel do you use?

[IAmTheWeasel]

Just wondering about the different types of swivels ya'll use on that side of the pond. I primaily use the Sampo bearing swivel but also use a titanium one from Pinio falconry too! I won a British style swivel last year and can't quite get used to it so it's more of a conversation piece now. So speak up, and tell what kinds ya'll use and why.
Cheers,
Weasel

[Shaun Byrne]

I only use the flat ended stainless type. The flat end stops the jesses sliding down to the swivel joint.
Those brass ones are OK as a temporary measure Andy, they wear very quickly so I would get some SS ones if I were you mate.

[Shaun Byrne]

Brass is a soft metal mate as you're probably aware. I've got a couple that came with birds I bought in the past, they all show signs of bad wear and are not as smooth as the SS ones.

[Wightwings]

I use the round topped ss ones and my missus uses the shouldered ones.

i do sometimes find the jesses slip but find it easier and quicker to take the swivel off.

just a point i see lods and loads of the double round ones for sale on e-bay. iv seen them ona bird and think they are a load of rubbish. Anyone views on these

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=90871&item=7125329 777&rd=1

[Jester]

i aquired a double round brass swivel but havent used it cos i just didnt like the look of it and it looks fairly well worn as well so i wouldnt trust it.

using a round ended SS swivel

[Shaun Byrne]

WW Those double round ones are OK for teathering indoors but I wouldn't trust one outside. Thet tend to be chromed and not SS as well. Good as lure swivels though.

[Adam Barrett]

for teatherig a bird out side i use the flat toped stainless steel swivels from martin jones they are a bit expensive at about £12.00 each but mine have lasted a good few years so far.

I use the double round swivles for in the field at around a quid each you can afford to loose a few-i get mine from griff mj and i think they are nickel plated.

[Afshimo]

I use the flat topped one's but they are from Kidderminster. I have had no problem, and they are emensly strong! I have used a kestrel sized swivel for a european, and it is still very much intact. I also use the long horse-shoe ones like Karen Rose type. I have used the stirrum ones, I like em, but find them hard to use! (eg, pull the jesses down)

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi,

I prefer the stainless ones flat top type, I generally use the ones from Martin Jones, they are strong and very reliable.

All The Best,

HH

[Kevin Massey]

on the male i use a martin jones flat top jobbie yea you are right about 12 quid but.....he's had it 4 years.....i also use sampo's bought them off e-bay and i think the seller was hawkmaster !!!! and were a bargin,

as for the brass ones above i dont like the look of them and have never used them.......and u can get them for pea nuts @ le prevo leather

kev

[Hawkmaster]

Sampo only, but I have loads of others in stock.

[Jiff]

as i fit permanant flying jesses and only teather sky for short periods i use sampo type link swivels.

[Leeds Newby]

i use double round type and had no trouble

[Mr. Fong]

Those swivels on ebay you can get from le prevo for 22 quid for a 100 of them with shipping......

[Claire]

does anyone else use sea fishing swivels in the field they have a clip which we put through the tiny holes on field jesses you just unclip and go. not strong enough for tethering though

[IAmTheWeasel]

Those are called coast lock swivels. They are the sampo with a wire hook claps on one side....I have seen them used several times by folks with smaller birds such as sharpies and kestrels. I found them hard to operate one handed to lock and unlock.

[IAmTheWeasel]

Here is a picy of a British style swivel next to a Sampo stainless swivel.

[Wightwings]

no comparison is there really......british every time..... :D :lol:

[Hawkmaster]

Weasel what did you pay for each?

[IAmTheWeasel]

Wish I could say that with certainty. Only thing i have had trouble with on the Brit style swivels is that they tangle more easily that the Sampos do. That being said, the Brit swivels are easier to get the jesses on in my opinion.

[IAmTheWeasel]

Sampo's are about $5 a piece and the brit style I won at a raffle so I'm not too sure what it costs. They sell the sampo's just about anywhere that deep sea fishing gear is sold. They are designed for rough use so I tend to lean towards the Sampos. I have a friend who used one for almost 15 years before retiring it.....They are rated for 500lbs I beleive for the size I use on the red-tails.

[Hawkmaster]

OK so what YOU pay for it? The Brit one that is? A good bargain price.

[Jiff]

does anyone else use sea fishing swivels in the field they have a clip which we put through the tiny holes on field jesses you just unclip and go. not strong enough for tethering though

this is the set up i use with sky,a bit aukward to start with but once you get the hang of it its quick and easy.

[IAmTheWeasel]

OK so what YOU pay for it? The Brit one that is? A good bargain price.Here is a link to some Brit style ones for sale.
http://www.northwoodsfalconry.com/index.cgi?rm=showitem&itemid=TH-145&cat=%2FSwivels%20%26%20Snaps

[Shaun Byrne]

does anyone else use sea fishing swivels in the field they have a clip which we put through the tiny holes on field jesses you just unclip and go. not strong enough for tethering though

this is the set up i use with sky,a bit aukward to start with but once you get the hang of it its quick and easy.

I used to have a snap link swivel on the end of one of my creances. I dont know how you guys use them in the field because once my fingers were a bit cold and the swivel damp from the grass, it was nearly impossible to open one handed.

[Claire]

its a knack lol I had to use them as that was what my boss used but she converted most of the falconers in the club she ran too them too. after using them for a while its quite easy to unclip them

[Jiff]

my brother inlaw does deep sea fishing,i nose arround his gear when i visit and steal swivels,the ones i got last time are real strong and can be used easily with finger and thumb (with practice) i must admit in the field if you don't get it straight away it does get frustrating at times.

[Kevin Massey]

http://www.sampoinc.com/

[Ali]

I mostly use the stainless steel D type swivels made from surgical steel they are tough and long life and tested so theres no chance of breaking or anything like that.
Regards,
Ali

[Jack Merlin]

I used to make swivels for sale years ago. An retired engineer turned the components for me. By coincidence, I was going through my stock of "bits" today and managed to make up four swivels, but that about exhausts my stock. See picture.

The rings are stainless steel 3/4" diameter, 1/16th inch wall. The pin is a 1/8th inch stainless steel rivet. The spacer is brass. A s/s steel cap is silver soldered onto the rivet. You need a special flux to solder s/s/.

When assembled, I splash a bit of Brasso on them, then turn them a few thousand times on the electric drill so they turn smoothly. So, both rings turn, the spacer can turn, and the rivet can also turn! As near tangle proof as can be. I suspect Pineo based his design on mine as he bought some off me. But, on his, only one ring will turn and the pin is fixed, also they are very light. Having a bit of weight keeps the jesses hanging straight and they are less prone to tangle..

And, no, I'm not selling!<g>

Jack

[Varmint]

That Doug Pineo eh Jack?

Hasn't anybody got original idea's anymore :roll:

[Saker-Clive]

It's not original but on the Perlin, I use a sprung loaded swivel; as the eyelets and anklets are so small, there isn't enough room for both mews and flying jesses; so I have fitted permenant flying jesses with with a small hole near the bottom of the jess so the clip fits through. When ready to fly, un clip it and away.
I expect there's some who will say it won't work etc. Standard stainless steel swivels on the Harris' and Saker. I'll put a picture of the Perlin one if you want.

[Martin]

I used to make swivels for sale years ago. An retired engineer turned the components for me. By coincidence, I was going through my stock of "bits" today and managed to make up four swivels, but that about exhausts my stock. See picture.

The rings are stainless steel 3/4" diameter, 1/16th inch wall. The pin is a 1/8th inch stainless steel rivet. The spacer is brass. A s/s steel cap is silver soldered onto the rivet. You need a special flux to solder s/s/.

When assembled, I splash a bit of Brasso on them, then turn them a few thousand times on the electric drill so they turn smoothly. So, both rings turn, the spacer can turn, and the rivet can also turn! As near tangle proof as can be. I suspect Pineo based his design on mine as he bought some off me. But, on his, only one ring will turn and the pin is fixed, also they are very light. Having a bit of weight keeps the jesses hanging straight and they are less prone to tangle..

And, no, I'm not selling!<g>

Jack


Jack

Your nose gets longer every day :lol:

[Falconry Equipment International]

I could not believe the shape of pineos titanium swivels when I saw them, as they were exactly same shape as swivels I have had made, sold and used for the last 20 years, except for the fact that his were a bit smaller a and also had a collar & mine were made from stainless steel
reagdrs
J

[Hawkmaster]

I had seen these before too on another continent, he must just have made them famous!???

[IAmTheWeasel]

I have a few of Dougs swivels and I think they are great designs...Titanium....Only I have seen them tangle up more often that the Sampos.

[Bullet_Jesses]

Gents there are new swivels out there called "Bullet swivels" I use them on the bullet jesses that I make.Unless you use bullet jesses or similar ? They are not for you! Anyone need to see a pic ? Let me know!

[Saker-Clive]

Let's see a picture then.........................you've wetted our appetites :mrgreen:

[Saker-Clive]

like these then................

[Jack Merlin]

I have a few of Dougs swivels and I think they are great designs...Titanium....Only I have seen them tangle up more often that the Sampos.

In my opinion, a swivel (i.e. for traditional use, at the end of the jesses and above the leash) can be too light. I think Doug's are too light. The swivel needs to have a bit of weight so the jesses hang down straight. Also, in the one I have seen made by him, only one ring rotates and the other ring is welded to the pin.

Tangles are caused when that straight line (jesses - swivel - leash) gets kinked or the jesses slip between the two rings, hence the need for a revolving spacer as well as BOTH rings revolving on a s/s pin AND a bit of weight to get keep the jesses hanging straight down.

The design of the figure of eight swivel with a spacer between the two rings (as above) is as old as the hills. But if there is any doubt about my swivels pre-dating Doug Pineo's, someone showed me an old copy of Hawk Chalk the other day in which I had advertised mine. The magazine was dated 1968! So, sorry Mick, you are wrong yet again.

The problem with an enclosed ball bearing type swivel is you can't see what is going on inside it. When they fail (and they DO fail eventually), the two halves separate without any warning. The actions of a bating hawk put a completely different strain on metal than a steady pull and that needs to be taken into account.

[Spudy]

right for the owl i use standered ss d type swivel not had any probs with it and at the moment hes still only flying on the line so would have thought that is giving it a good test for stenth had a couple of tangles happen and for the mhh i am getting i bought a sampo off of clive(saker sucker,bunnie basher on ebay) and cant complain its strong VERY and quiet nice looking in comparison the the ss d type but very fiddley to do the jesses through so have used a small carabina thats rated to a ton as a quick clip on it it locks with a thumb screw and cant pop open unless you want it too....plus very easy to use one handed i have been climbing for years and one handed two hundred feet up you want it to work first time lol...spud

[Saker-Clive]

I personally haven't used a Sampo on my birds, I only use them on the lures I make but lots of people do; Spudy has got the no.6 size but I guess looking at them, the no8 would be easier to manage.

Not because I don't want to use them, just not got around to it just yet.

[RabbitHawker]

I have used those swivels I think they are called Aussie swivels, and Sampo equivalents, the sampo ones swivle more freely, I get them from Blue Ocean Lures.

[Sandalar]

I got some of these swivels (5 for £7.99) and some of the same persons gloves not bad at all for the budget price I paid for them (£12) so I am happy person
http://www.themysticforest.co.uk/pics/2c_2.jpg
they are on my webspace so I am not taking anyones bandwidth and hopefully the way I did it means I am not advertising either.
blessings Jonathan

[Johnny Abbott]

i do like the sampo but there was some one on ebay last year that was selling what he said was sampo and yes they looked good but infact they were rubbish

[Jack Merlin]

That Doug Pineo eh Jack?

Hasn't anybody got original idea's anymore :roll:

Varmint,

I was making those swivels when Doug was still wet behind the ears. At least 35 years ago. If you have access to copies of Hawk Chalk that old, you'll see them advertised!

[Parabuteo.de]

Hello,

here in Germany we mostly use swivels like
this:

made from stainless steel and welded.

Claas

[ParaButeo78]

Hello,

here in Germany we mostly use swivels like
this:

made from stainless steel and welded.

Claas

My mentors also use these and I plan to use them too.
They have a nice weight, jesses don't slide down easily and they are very easy to use.