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[beastmaster]

I'm sure it has been covered but I have a question.

I am training a sakeret. He is currently flying high, The question is how do you get him up wind and high?

He flys up wind but at about 100 meters I am waiting for him to go higher he but rakes off down wind.

Should I reward him when his in position or at altitude ?

[OutHawkn]

I'm sure it has been covered but I have a question.

I am training a sakeret. He is currently flying high, The question is how do you get him up wind and high?

He flys up wind but at about 100 meters I am waiting for him to go higher he but rakes off down wind.

Should I reward him when his in position or at altitude ?

Are you using a kite or pigeons?

[beastmaster]

Pigeons

[BFC 007]

reward him when in position,height will come after he has missed.

[Brian Sullivan]

only serve him when he is up wind at this point. You can have less pitch in the beginning and it will go back up once he is mounting up wind. Another method to get him to position up wind is for you to walk up wind and have another person do the serving when he is following you. The other person has to be down wind of him when serving. Only serve him when he is up wind after you do this a couple of times. If you do this he will catch on very fast and be waiting on way up wind.

Most of the falcons I see fly these days are not taught well to fly in hign winds. You must fly your falcon in high winds for them learn how to do it. The first few times the Falcon might rake away or not take a high pitch but that is OK.

The 3 falcons I am currently flying will all go way up wind even in high winds. I have taught them to do this and there is nothing better then a fast down wind stoop.

[Sandy Rollo]

Dont get too hung up on position at this stage.try to encourage positive flight style and the way to do that is very simple never serve your hawk when he is directly overhead with his wings set i dont care how high he is, far better to serve on the climb with the falcon going away from you.The serve is the reward! and he should only be rewarded when climbing and his wings pumping
Personaly i never work on position with my falcons and prefer to work on pitch being higher makes up for lack of position every time remember its not the kills that make them go higher its the misses
Good luck

[Brian Sullivan]

Dont get too hung up on position at this stage.try to encourage positive flight style and the way to do that is very simple never serve your hawk when he is directly overhead with his wings set i dont care how high he is, far better to serve on the climb with the falcon going away from you.The serve is the reward! and he should only be rewarded when climbing and his wings pumping
Personaly i never work on position with my falcons and prefer to work on pitch being higher makes up for lack of position every time remember its not the kills that make them go higher its the misses
Good luck

It is Jan. and if you are not teaching positioning by now you are missing the boat. The first few months of training it is OK to not worry about where they are at in the sky and serve when climbing away to increase height but now it is time to teach them to go way up wind and refine the stoop.

Your Saker is already taking the pitch you need to now refine positioning, signaling, and stooping.

Raptors do not learn by missing (you are now thinking like a human and not like a FALCON) this just teachs them to miss and not put out in the stoop and the more you serve out of position in the later stages of training this will be the case. When Grouse hawking in the US if you serve your falcon when she is the slighest out of position even when she is 1000ft. she is not going to have the speed to hurt or kill the Grouse. Stoops when they are out of position are OK only when the young falcon is learning how to stoop. After that you want to hone all her skills and not discourage her by letting her miss to much.

[Hatchero]

It is Jan. and if you are not teaching positioning by now you are missing the boat. The first few months of training it is OK to not worry about where they are at in the sky and serve when climbing away to increase height but now it is time to teach them to go way up wind and refine the stoop.

Your Saker is already taking the pitch you need to now refine positioning, signaling, and stooping.

Raptors do not learn by missing (you are now thinking like a human and not like a FALCON) this just teachs them to miss and not put out in the stoop and the more you serve out of position in the later stages of training this will be the case. When Grouse hawking in the US if you serve your falcon when she is the slighest out of position even when she is 1000ft. she is not going to have the speed to hurt or kill the Grouse. Stoops when they are out of position are OK only when the young falcon is learning how to stoop. After that you want to hone all her skills and not discourage her by letting her miss to much.

good advice, Brian,
the serve out of position thing might work for someone that is flying a hybird on ducks and needs the offset but for most quarry, birds that get served out of position tend to start going off to get pitch and staying there. for grouse, even with the bird dead over head, if there is the slightest breeze and your bird is at dot out pitch, chances are the grouse will fly out from under the falcon leaving the falcon to come in from behind--saw my tiercel pealse do just that today, he never even touched the grouse.