Falcon mews sale

[Adam Barrett]

hi,
does any one know when and where the falcon mews sale will be held this year?
cheers
Adam

[Varmint]

If your referring to Peter Gill and Richard Hill's Sale? i don't think they are having a sale this year, cause they can pre sell all of their birds to the Gulf!

I don't think they will have one again?

[Hawkmaster]

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[FalconMews]

No we will not be having a sale. Our export market (not only to the Mddle East) has grown to the extent that we sell very few birds in the UK, we have four clients whom all buy 50+ birds and a couple whom buy well over a 100 birds annually. So basically we just do not have enough birds to hold a sale. As to will we have one in the future ? Never say Never !

Peter Gill

[BFC 007]

couple of your birds peter
05 gyr/saker
04 pere/saker

both doing well,cheers mate
paul (milton keynes)

[GoneHawking]

So what your saying is your quite happy to sell the Falcons to the UK market when you can't sell them all to the Gulf customers but screw the UK when your orders are sorted in the gulf, sounds a bit crappy to me!!!! and of the falcons that were not sold to the middle east in previous years, what did the UK get offered??? all the stock that the middle east didn't want?? hardly the best buys for the UK is it.

I can't think why some UK falconers have a problem with SOME UK breeders..

[Bash]

So what your saying is your quite happy to sell the Falcons to the UK market when you can't sell them all to the Gulf customers but screw the UK when your orders are sorted in the gulf, sounds a bit crappy to me!!!! and of the falcons that were not sold to the middle east in previous years, what did the UK get offered??? all the stock that the middle east didn't want?? hardly the best buys for the UK is it.

I can't think why some UK falconers have a problem with SOME UK breeders..

Well said GH.

[Liam Hay]

So what your saying is your quite happy to sell the Falcons to the UK market when you can't sell them all to the Gulf customers but screw the UK when your orders are sorted in the gulf, sounds a bit crappy to me!!!! and of the falcons that were not sold to the middle east in previous years, what did the UK get offered??? all the stock that the middle east didn't want?? hardly the best buys for the UK is it.

I can't think why some UK falconers have a problem with SOME UK breeders..

There is no way near enough falconers to buy all peters stock, lets not forget they are a buisness not another falconry friend!

[ColdZero]

sounds like the 'falconry' equivalent of a puppy farm.

[The Ninja]

So what your saying is your quite happy to sell the Falcons to the UK market when you can't sell them all to the Gulf customers but screw the UK when your orders are sorted in the gulf, sounds a bit crappy to me!!!!

Sounds like normal (sound) business practice to me m8. It's all about supply & demand. Where we are lucky is that if we don't like it we buy from somewhere else.

:-)

[FalconMews]

What’s the problem with some breeders, Gonehawking?

As to my post:-

First of all, i said we did not have enough birds after the pre orders, for us to hold a viable sales day and not that we do not sell birds in the UK or that we are prejudice against selling any bird to UK falconers.

Second we intend to raise our annual production from 300 + birds to 400 + and maybe there will be enough birds then to hold a sale, but who knows.

The most important aspect of a sales day, was to allow the UK Falconers to look at a large array of birds and to choose for himself the actual bird he/she wanted after picking it up, weighing it if required, etc, etc without any sales pressure.

In the Middle East, no falconer buys a falcon without handling and viewing the bird first and they can't believe how anybody could be that stupid as to agree to buy a bird without first viewing and handling it and having the choice of others at the same time. During the three sales days we held, many falconers thanked us for the chance to see such a good choice and could see the positive side of the sale. Indeed since then several breeders have copied the idea and good luck to them!

On one sales day i kept back ten male Gyr-Peregrines from a client in Dubai to put in the sales day as we had advertised the fact that there would be some. He was a little annoyed at this even though he had had fifty birds already that season, but said it would not be a problem. 10 minutes after the gate opened on the first day of the sale he very unexpectedly walked into the marquee after postponing his flight home for two days, pointed at the 10 Gyr-Peregrines and said i will buy them all! What could I say!

Next to your presumption that all our birds go to the Middle east, we in fact sent more birds to Japan in the last year than we did to the Middle East. All the falcons sold to Japanese customers are sold for exactly the same price as we sell them for here in the UK, Gyr-Peregrine tiercels are sold for a higher price here in the UK than we sell them for in the Middle East, and they simply buy more of them.

I really don't see your problem, if you had bred 50 individuals of a certain species and some one says i want them all, do you say you can only have 48 as i need to keep two just in case a UK falconer wants to buy them? I don't think so!

Falconmews

[GoneHawking]

My point was simply that should your overseas clients not want all the birds you sell then the UK gets the wonderful 'Falcon weekend sale', which is basically the remaining falcons put on perches for everyone to see and handle, which don't get me wrong is a fantastic idea, but lets not kid ourselves that it's all for our benifit, it's simply because you may have excess birds at the end of the summer you need to shift.

These are only my opinions of such weekend sale type events and fully understand your a business and need to make money, I just don't think the average Joe would get offered the same level of bird as an overseas client buying 50 birds.

[Barbary Boy]

you can buy any bird you want from falcon mews but will you pay the same price as some overseas falconer? how many uk falconers will pay the going rate for say a gyrXperegrine female for example? if you want one ring peter up and order one im sure hell reserve you one then when its ready go and take your pick! so dont knock the bloke for being a sound business man. i think there are to many people out there who think breeders should do it for fun and to the exclusive (cheap) benefit of all our new found mates here in the uk.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Hi BB!!
Missed you and your sound advice!!:supz:
I was actually going to post something similar earlier today, but decided against it, feels like I am repeating myself 1000 times for deaf ears.
If someone phone and want the first pick of our gyr/peregrine females, no prob. Come in July, Aug go to scottland, see them fly on hack, take your pick and I will happily give you a better price then a UAE client, as I will deduct the cost for CITES, vet certificat and shipping, Im sure so many UK falconers would be willing to do this? Put their hand in their pocket??
If people are so concerned over the quality of birds availible, how come that still the first question they ask is...PRICE???
And if they dont like what they hear they can get quite rude.
Had that experience just about 4 days ago.
There is always a "better, bigger, whiter, blacker, cheaper" down the road somewhere.....
How can you say what is expensive for a falcon if you have not even seen it? If you want quality, pay quality!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Hi BB!!
Missed you and your sound advice!!:supz:
I was actually going to post something similar earlier today, but decided against it, feels like I am repeating myself 1000 times for deaf ears.
If someone phone and want the first pick of our gyr/peregrine females, no prob. Come in July, Aug go to scottland, see them fly on hack, take your pick and I will happily give you a better price then a UAE client, as I will deduct the cost for CITES, vet certificat and shipping, Im sure so many UK falconers would be willing to do this? Put their hand in their pocket??
If people are so concerned over the quality of birds availible, how come that still the first question they ask is...PRICE???
And if they dont like what they hear they can get quite rude.
Had that experience just about 4 days ago.
There is always a "better, bigger, whiter, blacker, cheaper" down the road somewhere.....
How can you say what is expensive for a falcon if you have not even seen it? If you want quality, pay quality!Never a truer word spoken. In my experience some people only want it if its cheap! Therefore they end up buying something substandard then moan about it. Pay peanuts get monkeys.

[Kevin Massey]

sounds like the 'falconry' equivalent of a puppy farm.

educated observation was it?

[Pitbull]

Never a truer word spoken. In my experience some people only want it if its cheap! Therefore they end up buying something substandard then moan about it. Pay peanuts get monkeys.

Thats because we live in such a throwaway society, but in my opinion if all bop were a lot more expensive you wouldnt have as much people having as much problems. Fewer birds would be sold. But obviously its not as simple as that is it.

[Kevin Massey]

its also good to see that there are breeders that breed in accordance to supply...i-m-o it is better that way than to have a glut of un-wanted over stocked birds.... better that the customers are left wanting rather than the falcon

kev

[Mikey]

What do the arabs do with so many birds guys?!!??I thought you were sposed to hunt with falcons,not eat them every sunday!!

[Kevin Massey]

Thats because we live in such a throwaway society, but in my opinion if all bop were a lot more expensive you wouldnt have as much people having as much problems. Fewer birds would be sold. But obviously its not as simple as that is it.


good point that...i have also been in a conversaton about the values of h/h and redtails (i know a little off topic but still relevent)... too many back yard breeders i-m-o doing a poor job...

[Barbary Boy]

youve got it in one m8 to many back yard breeders, the guy who has a couple of h/hawks which he flys then lets them breed during the moult is quite happy to let them go for next to nothing,but the larger breeders who pay tax and maybe even v a t have to charge more or its just not a viable proposition to breed birds, everyone likes a bargain but if you want the best and a choice you have to order early and pay the price, or of course you can do what a lot of people do, wait till later in the year and pick up a bargain? but what are you going to get?

[Dan Paradis]

Never a truer word spoken. In my experience some people only want it if its cheap! Therefore they end up buying something substandard then moan about it. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
I agree with that; for cheap you get mongrels, if not pay the right prices for the right birds...

[Mary Quite Contrary]

I pre ordered my Gyr/prairie from falcon mews in Dec 04 and it was ready for me in july 05. No talk of not selling to me or giving preference to anyone else just pay & go ..........
Good bird and well pleased.

[Miguel Gomez]

youve got it in one m8 to many back yard breeders, the guy who has a couple of h/hawks which he flys then lets them breed during the moult is quite happy to let them go for next to nothing,but the larger breeders who pay tax and maybe even v a t have to charge more or its just not a viable proposition to breed birds, everyone likes a bargain but if you want the best and a choice you have to order early and pay the price, or of course you can do what a lot of people do, wait till later in the year and pick up a bargain? but what are you going to get?

Whats wrong with backyard breeders - more likely to get a better diet, more likely to have bigger aviaries, breeding birds are least flown and qualities known!

Also as a backyard breeder mine at least have a view(not of 4 wooden walls and a skylight), wild food when availiable and a full on southfacing sunshine.

Its impossible for the big breeders to have flown all of thier breeding birds so h0w do we know we are getting quality?

Miguel

[GoneHawking]

Some good points there miguel.

Mark

[Kevin Massey]

Whats wrong with backyard breeders Miguel

personaly i think quality, and knowlage of what they are doing.,. more and more it happens when some one and there mate, put there birds together to purly make a quick buck... usualy not caring who the hell is buying these birds...more and more are turning up in free ads every year for what has to be said silly money, and if they are selling for that sort of money then i-m-o they are making a loss or not doing a decent job of it.... i am not saying all falconers who breed birds are tared with the same brush far from it, but more and more birds are being produced for the wrong reasons.

[Miguel Gomez]

personaly i think quality, and knowlage of what they are doing.,. more and more it happens when some one and there mate, put there birds together to purly make a quick buck... usualy not caring who the hell is buying these birds...more and more are turning up in free ads every year for what has to be said silly money, and if they are selling for that sort of money then i-m-o they are making a loss or not doing a decent job of it.... i am not saying all falconers who breed birds are tared with the same brush far from it, but more and more birds are being produced for the wrong reasons.

Hopefully when they get left with birds they have to sell for silly money, they will give up.

In my vicinity there were 6 Harris Hawks lost in the last 12 months, with 3 recovered, so if you add another figure for dying from bad husbandry, looks like a very sustainable market........SAD!