Lanner pitch?

[Barkai]

Okay, I have a lanner that will not go up to any pitch at all (not even 6 m :shock: ).

Here are some questions I have.

(1) Is the kite a good idea ie will it help with pitch?

(2) Will the kite help with staying above me?

(3) Is wind good for getting pitch.

(4) How do you use thermals along side a hill ie on top or on the bottom (falconers position, and from where the bird is cast off)

Thanks,
Barkai

[Barkai]

The intended quarry is stone partridge.

Would love some help!!!

Its my first gamehawk!

Barkai

[Hawkmaster]

Is he low in weight?

[Barkai]

Top weight is 1 lb. 5 1/4oz (she maybe?big beak, big feet!) I flew here yesterday at 595g but she will respond well from 1 lb. 5 1/4 oz. and down (but here perfect response is from about 1 lb. 2 oz. and down).

He/she Is not fit so he only will circle me about four times (yesterday) about 1-2 meters off the ground.

He is not keen keen but is still a little keen.

He/she is a 2 year passage (in the middle of her first {late} moult) but In the first part of the season I stooped her to the lure to do off the fist flights and then I broke my arm and since, I have just picked her up again. And taking the advise from an experienced lanner hunter (30 years or more) I have decided to fly here waiting on (the guy {a forum member} said lanners are two slow off the fist).

I need help in the questions in my other post.

Barkai

[BarbaryHawking06]

Stooping to the lure is a thing that you shouldn't have done regarding pitch in a lanner. I think it will be very hard work to break the habit of flying low around you waiting for the lure, but if you want to try here is my advice:
First let it finish it's moult, most falcons moult when their prey is breeding so very unsporting to hunt and the falcon will finish the moult much faster and with better plumage when not flown and in a closed mews.
Second when the falcon has finished the moult, go out and search for hilly terrain when there is blowing quite a lot of wind uphill. Try to throw out the lure when the falcon is mounting and preferably right above you.
Then the next days try to serve the lure only when the falcon is mounting, less is more in this case, if the falcon just makes one! ring but is pumping hard serve it! throw out the lure low, but fast and wide, it should be on the floor before the falcon gets down to it. Gradually, depending on the falcons motivation and fitness you can increase the height and time. When the falcon is flying around a 100ft you can (if allowed) release a bagged partridge underneath. If he catches it, you should repeat this for about two weeks and when the season has just started and there are young partridge around, you can basically go hawking with it. You should search for a perfect setup at the first outing i.e.: quarry spotted in low cover with little or no wind and no major cover nearby. Don't worry about such a low pitch at the beginning pitch will increase with added fitness and/ or pigeon training also as the falcon begins to master the quarry the pitch will increase by itself.
Hope this helps

[Ben C]

A very helpful post that.

[Barkai]

Stooping to the lure is a thing that you shouldn't have done regarding pitch in a lanner. I think it will be very hard work to break the habit of flying low around you waiting for the lure, but if you want to try here is my advice:
First let it finish it's moult, most falcons moult when their prey is breeding so very unsporting to hunt and the falcon will finish the moult much faster and with better plumage when not flown and in a closed mews.
Second when the falcon has finished the moult, go out and search for hilly terrain when there is blowing quite a lot of wind uphill. Try to throw out the lure when the falcon is mounting and preferably right above you.
Then the next days try to serve the lure only when the falcon is mounting, less is more in this case, if the falcon just makes one! ring but is pumping hard serve it! throw out the lure low, but fast and wide, it should be on the floor before the falcon gets down to it. Gradually, depending on the falcons motivation and fitness you can increase the height and time. When the falcon is flying around a 100ft you can (if allowed) release a bagged partridge underneath. If he catches it, you should repeat this for about two weeks and when the season has just started and there are young partridge around, you can basically go hawking with it. You should search for a perfect setup at the first outing i.e.: quarry spotted in low cover with little or no wind and no major cover nearby. Don't worry about such a low pitch at the beginning pitch will increase with added fitness and/ or pigeon training also as the falcon begins to master the quarry the pitch will increase by itself.
Hope this helps

Its moult was stopped because it was trapped right before the moult (2007 moult) and flown throurgh so it should not be moulting right now but it is since it is so late it is.

So I should moult it out. Well I will be leaving in March so will think about just moulting it out and giving it to my friend ready for him to fly it (not me:( to bad).

Well hes a good falconer and hell have fun with her/him.

Cheers,
Barkai

[Barkai]

Today.

Weight 1 lb. 2 1/4 oz.

Well went out put leg bell on and un hooded her/him. I cas her (lets call it a her) of the fist and she flew around me the first circle was waist hight the secon about a meter above my head and the third about 3 meters above my head and then the fourth was about 5 meters above my head (6.3 meters high all to geather)

There was alot of wind but she got tired easly (on her fourth circle).

During the hole time there was a hooded vulture and about three crow mobbing her but she did not even look at them and just mounted, until the vulture got a bit to close then she made a very short dive hitting the vultures head but not hurting it to much as the vulture flew off. The short dive happend of the second circle and then the crows and vultures ******ed off.

I had know idea the cros and vulture were around till the lanner was cast off then the appeared.

If they had not come I think she would have gone on circling/soring.

I want to get the kite going soon.

Barkai

[Osiris]

I think you should get the lanner sexed m8, the weight ranges you are giving are dramatic in my opinion, my lanneret flies at max 1lb 3oz at the moment, but with you having yours up 1lb 5+oz and now down to 1lb 2oz seems a bit risky.

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

I think you should get the lanner sexed m8, the weight ranges you are giving are dramatic in my opinion, my lanneret flies at max 1lb 3oz at the moment, but with you having yours up 1lb 5+oz and now down to 1lb 2oz seems a bit risky.

agreed.. you either have a big male or a very small female there. the males i flew were around the 1lb mark and the female was 1.8

[BarbaryHawking06]

Today.

Weight 1 lb. 2 1/4 oz.

Well went out put leg bell on and un hooded her/him. I cas her (lets call it a her) of the fist and she flew around me the first circle was waist hight the secon about a meter above my head and the third about 3 meters above my head and then the fourth was about 5 meters above my head (6.3 meters high all to geather)

There was alot of wind but she got tired easly (on her fourth circle).

During the hole time there was a hooded vulture and about three crow mobbing her but she did not even look at them and just mounted, until the vulture got a bit to close then she made a very short dive hitting the vultures head but not hurting it to much as the vulture flew off. The short dive happend of the second circle and then the crows and vultures ******ed off.

I had know idea the cros and vulture were around till the lanner was cast off then the appeared.

If they had not come I think she would have gone on circling/soring.

I want to get the kite going soon.

Barkai

sorry but did you read my post at all???
Making more than one circle with a bird that has to learn the basics and is unfit???? By that way you will never ever teach it to wait on properly.

[Barkai]

Sorry all I meant top weight was 1 lb. 3oz..:oops:

Yes I did read your post, but I must not b geting somthing.

Im realy lost.

Its not the partridges breeding season at the moment.

I thought it was good to reword them to when they gained hight and when they circle you?

Okay you have to reword them some time during the day so I reworded it when it circled and gained hight and when it was geting tierd.

Im not stooping it.

Stephen

[Barkai]

I reread you post.

From what I can tell from your post I should of reworded it yesterday when and how I did.

And the lure did hit the ground before it got to it.

It was right above me pumping hard but geting tierd and then it turned and came right over me (the hole imt circling tightly around me).

The thing with the vulture could not have been helped.

Please keep helping me, but didn't get what you meen in your second post:?:?

Stephen

[Maroje]

Hi !!

I am also interesting for Lanner to hunting Stone(mountain) partrige.
So partrige are 450 -850grams and very fast. I think terzel is to small ,so be better with hen.
I newer fly falcon before ---only broadwings--Please help with suggestion.

Regards from DUBROVNIK

[BarbaryHawking06]

Hi !!

I am also interesting for Lanner to hunting Stone(mountain) partrige.
So partrige are 450 -850grams and very fast. I think terzel is to small ,so be better with hen.
I newer fly falcon before ---only broadwings--Please help with suggestion.

Regards from DUBROVNIK


Hey there,
you'd better be off with something else I think, a friend of mine was in Croatia to hunt that kind of partridge and he thinks it to be impossible, in the terrain they live with a waiting on falcon. A falcon needs open spaces and time to come down and develope speed, by the time the falcon is down they are already in the next rockhole.

[Jack]

I really don't know why more people are not using a kite. Here is how to get him, it is a him, flying stong. When you put the kite up, let it out all the way. The kite is not part of the deal, but something to tie the other end of the line to really. Leave the tiercel hooded and put the kite up. walk the line down and tie a little string to it every 25 feet or so and then tie a little stick or toothpick half to the other end so that you can stick little segments of meat or chicken neck on it. Then unhood the tiercel and let him see it. If he does not start up after it right now, walk the line down so that he can see the meat and then let it go back up. Once he is flying up and picking the meat off the kite line he will always go up looking for it. Call him down and go home. Next day, put them even higher. This way he goes up more and more each day looking for the meat. He can see a tiny piece of meat from a great distance in the sky. I like to use 3 or 4 pieces. Eventually he will be climbing up to several hundred feet. In doing this he also builds condition. Eventually, walk down wind some of the last piece of meat and wait there with a baggie. Some sort of bird for him to chase. After he gets the last piece of meat he will climb up looking for more, and once he determines that there is no more he will be up high above you with nothing to keep him up there. Wave your glove at him to get his attention and then yell loudly, run like you are flushing something, and then toss the baggie. A couple of these and you have a tiercel that will wait on. This can be achieved in a bit over a weeks time if you plan it out and stick with the program.

Jack

[Falconry Equipment International]

I have to say I can see it from both sides, yes it sounds real low , but dont forget he is not flying an ABCR , but a passage, i wotty about weight, but you definately have to fly passagers sharper thna eyasses.hth

[Maroje]

Hey there,
you'd better be off with something else I think, a friend of mine was in Croatia to hunt that kind of partridge and he thinks it to be impossible, in the terrain they live with a waiting on falcon. A falcon needs open spaces and time to come down and develope speed, by the time the falcon is down they are already in the next rockhole.

THANK YOU BARBARY 06 :)

You right !!!! But i think Lanner is better den Pelegrin . Before 600 years people hunting with Lanners in this area.I heart lanner catch prey also on the ground. I have English setters very good point dogs ,so partridge is always max 10-15 met. a front of dog. Dogs never flush prey ,I done this job. Last falconer in my city die before min 100 years so I have nobody to ask.
EVERBODY WHO KNOW SOMETHING PLEASE HELP:

[BarbaryHawking06]

THANK YOU BARBARY 06 :)

You right !!!! But i think Lanner is better den Pelegrin . Before 600 years people hunting with Lanners in this area.I heart lanner catch prey also on the ground. I have English setters very good point dogs ,so partridge is always max 10-15 met. a front of dog. Dogs never flush prey ,I done this job. Last falconer in my city die before min 100 years so I have nobody to ask.
EVERBODY WHO KNOW SOMETHING PLEASE HELP:

but you have to remember that a lanner is slower than a peregrine and I think it would only be worthwhile with a passage lanner

[Maroje]

THANK you BARBARY .this season I try with spar. :yawinkle:

[Barkai]

I really don't know why more people are not using a kite. Here is how to get him, it is a him, flying stong. When you put the kite up, let it out all the way. The kite is not part of the deal, but something to tie the other end of the line to really. Leave the tiercel hooded and put the kite up. walk the line down and tie a little string to it every 25 feet or so and then tie a little stick or toothpick half to the other end so that you can stick little segments of meat or chicken neck on it. Then unhood the tiercel and let him see it. If he does not start up after it right now, walk the line down so that he can see the meat and then let it go back up. Once he is flying up and picking the meat off the kite line he will always go up looking for it. Call him down and go home. Next day, put them even higher. This way he goes up more and more each day looking for the meat. He can see a tiny piece of meat from a great distance in the sky. I like to use 3 or 4 pieces. Eventually he will be climbing up to several hundred feet. In doing this he also builds condition. Eventually, walk down wind some of the last piece of meat and wait there with a baggie. Some sort of bird for him to chase. After he gets the last piece of meat he will climb up looking for more, and once he determines that there is no more he will be up high above you with nothing to keep him up there. Wave your glove at him to get his attention and then yell loudly, run like you are flushing something, and then toss the baggie. A couple of these and you have a tiercel that will wait on. This can be achieved in a bit over a weeks time if you plan it out and stick with the program.

Jack

Thank you Jack,

That was very helpful post and thanks again for it:supz:. It is very informative.:P I am leaving for the states in a few days so the lanner is going to my mentor.

Oh by the way BarbaryHawking06 It is almost done with its moult.8-)

Regards,
Stephen

[Barkai]

I have to say I can see it from both sides, yes it sounds real low , but dont forget he is not flying an ABCR , but a passage, i wotty about weight, but you definately have to fly passagers sharper thna eyasses.hth

Sorry As I said before its top weight is 1lb. 3oz..

I can fly it top weight and its response to the lure is good but when lower he starts chasing.

I think my mentor will get it entered on maybe egrets and then move on to harder things.

Cheers,
Stephen

[BlackShaheen10]

Stephen, sorry but is it the same lanner you was asking advices about months ago???

If yes it should have be entered and kill for a long time now... at this time of the season you risk to loose her, this is time to release or stop her.

Also from pictures I have seen you have a female, and 595g seems to be dangerously low in weight (even for a passage bird)!!! What was her fat or bettter her trapping weight???

Cheers,
Youcef

[Barkai]

Stephen, sorry but is it the same lanner you was asking advices about months ago???

If yes it should have be entered and kill for a long time now... at this time of the season you risk to loose her, this is time to release or stop her.

Also from pictures I have seen you have a female, and 595g seems to be dangerously low in weight (even for a passage bird)!!! What was her fat or bettter her trapping weight???

Cheers,
Youcef

Hi,

Yes it is the same lanner as I said It is in Its moult, and wont be flown till summer.

It is not a large lanner and as I have send its top weight (eating all it can on pigeon and rat) is 1 lb. 3 oz. It wot go any higher.

It must be a small female then as I know it is not under weight.

Stephen