Hacking

[Warren]

hi
dose any one have a vast amount of land where i can hack a gos for two weeks in the summer just want him to fly all day pitch tent pick him up at night feed in morning then let go and follow from a distance:roll:

[SBFalconry]

hi
dose any one have a vast amount of land where i can hack a gos for two weeks in the summer just want him to fly all day pitch tent pick him up at night feed in morning then let go and follow from a distance:roll:

wish i had balls as big as you mate good luck if you get the land keep us posted on how it goes

[Casper]

hi
dose any one have a vast amount of land where i can hack a gos for two weeks in the summer just want him to fly all day pitch tent pick him up at night feed in morning then let go and follow from a distance:roll:

Firstly you don't need a vast amount of land, and i presume it will be an imprint but seriously you won't gain anything with a Goshawk , if you don't lose it , you will let it to self hunt even if you think it won't and the traits of that will come back and haunt you, maybe not straight away but problems will arise. Don't do it , just get it going as quick as the bird lets you .

[Warren]

wish i had balls as big as you mate good luck if you get the land keep us posted on how it goesif you dont ask you wont get

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

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good luck

[OutFlying]

hi
dose any one have a vast amount of land where i can hack a gos for two weeks in the summer just want him to fly all day pitch tent pick him up at night feed in morning then let go and follow from a distance:roll:

Why would a fat imprint goshawk that isn't entered fly about all day ?

Waste of time.

[Hawkmaster]

I have done it and another problem you may find is that it will get chased by crows and rooks and the later o in life refues to take them.

Do not bother really, unless of course you can enlighten us to a better way of thinking?:D

[Warren]

Why would a fat imprint goshawk that isn't entered fly about all day ?

Waste of time.did the same thing with my spars thy love to play just like kids there curiosity gets the better of them

[Hawkmaster]

OK fair enough but what are you trying to achieve?:lol:

[Warren]

OK fair enough but what are you trying to achieve?:lol:let him get used to the big out doors all weathers winds and what ever else nature can throw at him

[Hawkmaster]

Unfortunately you will accumalate too many other problems unfortunately.:lol:

[Warren]

Unfortunately you will accumalate too many other problems unfortunately.:lol:please enlighten me to the problems you fore see

[Hawkmaster]

OK I am going to let everyone do this in a mild mannered way and let see if we can list you a few to make you change your mind.

First as I mentioned above about being attacked by say crows, so dangerous situations firstly.:lol:

Next . . .

[CanadaManada]

Learn to sit around the better part of the day and pitch in trees (which you may not want, depending on your style, but most don't want that).

[OutFlying]

let him get used to the big out doors all weathers winds and what ever else nature can throw at him


How does this differ from hunting ?

[Hobby]

My Thoughts are;
If it was going to be of any use the bird would need to be chasing and eventually kill.I can see this independance would help a young bird mature quickly[becoming fit confident and non vocal] but I wonder about getting the bird to be content hawking from the fist after all the free time,surely it would have learnt that hunting from a tree is more profitable.
Having said that Passage Goshawks are flown successfully elsewhere.

[Keith Barker]

hi
dose any one have a vast amount of land where i can hack a gos for two weeks in the summer just want him to fly all day pitch tent pick him up at night feed in morning then let go and follow from a distance:roll:

how will you cope when the hawk starts taking downy woodpigeons out of nests while he is on his jolley jaunt? not to mention all the other second clutch birds that will be in the woods?
keith

[Hardcore Hawker]

Agreed Keith, it would only take a really full crop on something very rich for you to be at the top of a very slippery slope, it may baulk you the next day kill again then you will be ******ed. in no time at all you would have to trap the bird and the imprint trust in you would be gone, stick to the tried methods, an early start with plenty of slips and kills, and as Jim stated a fat imprint is not overly active, if i were to put mine loose on the ring perch he would probably stay there until his appetite dictated otherwise, all in all a waste of time imo.

[Warren]

How does this differ from hunting ?following me for two weeks is a lot more flying than an hour or two in the night after work

[OutFlying]

following me for two weeks is a lot more flying than an hour or two in the night after work

It will be in the summer doesn't go dark till 10pm plenty of time to hunt an imprint, if you've only got an hour to spare I wouldn't fly an imprint gos.

Why would it follow you ?

Jim.

[SSL]

following me for two weeks is a lot more flying than an hour or two in the night after work

Why not hunt for two weeks instead then?

I too fail to see the benefit of this but I dont know what you want from your Goshawk. I want a Goshawk to set off like a missile from my fist and bring down game, I dont want one that kills from trees, on the soar or anywhere else that isnt my fist.

I know some give credit to this method with imprints to create silent imprints. I've yet to see evidence of this but cant discreditted it.

It may do alot more flying in that two weeks it may not but what benefit will two weeks at liberty give you that makes it so worth while. If you hunt this hawk once it has penned on quarry as inexperienced as itselfs it will naturely mature and become a confident hunter, whose been conditioned to fly from your fist and seek you out as the place it flies quarry from, rather than enjoying itself up in a tree.

I dont see the logic, but as I said we may want different things from our Goshawks.

ATB,

[Warren]

It will be in the summer doesn't go dark till 10pm plenty of time to hunt an imprint, if you've only got an hour to spare I wouldn't fly an imprint gos.

Why would it follow you ?

Jim.its an imprint and it wont have a full crop and from all the years i have been doing this and not lost a bird yet thy don't let you go far with out catching you up and if thy do stray. a little whistle soon brings them in to sight unless thy decided to take a bath then i am screwed for a couple of hours

[Casper]

its an imprint and it wont have a full crop and from all the years i have been doing this and not lost a bird yet thy don't let you go far with out catching you up and if thy do stray. a little whistle soon brings them in to sight unless thy decided to take a bath then i am screwed for a couple of hours

From all the years doing it as you say ,you should have the land, but how did the birds turn out? i am very very interested ATB

[Warren]

Why not hunt for two weeks instead then?

I too fail to see the benefit of this but I don't know what you want from your Goshawk. I want a Goshawk to set off like a missile from my fist and bring down game, I don't want one that kills from trees, on the soar or anywhere else that isn't my fist.

I know some give credit to this method with imprints to create silent imprints. I've yet to see evidence of this but cant discredited it.

It may do alot more flying in that two weeks it may not but what benefit will two weeks at liberty give you that makes it so worth while. If you hunt this hawk once it has penned on quarry as inexperienced as itselfs it will naturely mature and become a confident hunter, whose been conditioned to fly from your fist and seek you out as the place it flies quarry from, rather than enjoying itself up in a tree.

I dont see the logic, but as I said we may want different things from our Goshawks.

ATB,the only quarry i go for are crows and if i was to hunt for ten hours a day would only get around twenty slips at the most on a very good day.around four hundred yards at the most.most are over in one hundred so little time spent flying would rather have a fit fat bird than a fat lazy bird that gives up on quarry after twenty yards or the first turn its all about stamina would rather watch him chase a crow for miles than actually catch it at the end of the day its a bird watching him fly and out smart its quarry is what its all about weather he catches it or not is irrelevant a few close slips a week and kills just to let him know he can have them will keep him happy

[Warren]

From all the years doing it as you say ,you should have the land, but how did the birds turn out? i am very very interested ATByes had the land the farm where i did most of my hunting the farmer selfishly up and died on me any way 15 years was not a bad run the new owners wont allow hunting of any kind or exersize my bird.the birds turn out well manered a better temprament fly heaver than birds i only hunted.taking the time to get to know your bird pays of you find there good and bad points likes and dislikes after all they are birds and not just a tool like some pepole use them for .they my as well buy a gun in sted of a bird

[TimDog80]

i seriously cant see any benefits no matter how hard i look at it!!! surlly just get it killing plenty early on after hard penned is the way to go to getting a fit silent gos???

out of curiosity anyone know how that dave jones gos he tame hacked turned out hunting wise and its habits etc "in the field"???

[SeagulBasher]

i would'nt bother hacking a gos i personally dont see any advantages like there is with a falcon appart from mybe when it comes to flying in woodland...
colin

[SSL]

the only quarry i go for are crows and if i was to hunt for ten hours a day would only get around twenty slips at the most on a very good day.around four hundred yards at the most.most are over in one hundred so little time spent flying would rather have a fit fat bird than a fat lazy bird that gives up on quarry after twenty yards or the first turn its all about stamina would rather watch him chase a crow for miles than actually catch it at the end of the day its a bird watching him fly and out smart its quarry is what its all about weather he catches it or not is irrelevant a few close slips a week and kills just to let him know he can have them will keep him happy

Could you describe the flights you have at crows, have you trained any other GOSHAWKS that fly CROWS for MILES???


out of curiosity anyone know how that dave jones gos he tame hacked turned out hunting wise and its habits etc "in the field"???

Didnt he lose one or two, not sure if its the hawk in question?

[robin]

Hi!remember ,nothing better than wild hack.minimum 10 -14 days.Personally I do iven 3 weeks.but have to be carefool.and check where is your bird.this is a very god time to start to teach the obidience and use the whistle.just feed it on the same time.the best idea is to have more than one hawk on hack,they can play together,and are more confident.however goshawk can be hack alone.the bird after hack is always the best.If you will see two birds flying .and hunting one by one,and one is hacked and another not,the huge diference will be immediately noticable.I do hack for my young birds every year ,and I can not imaging to have a bird without hack.In my country Poland ,we have a population of wild phesants,wild from generations.very,very fast.and they are very smart ,because so many of wild goshawks teach them "how to play a game". hunt that phesants with gos withowut hack ? "mission impossible".good luck !!!:yawinkle:

[OutFlying]

Hi!remember ,nothing better than wild hack.minimum 10 -14 days.Personally I do iven 3 weeks.but have to be carefool.and check where is your bird.this is a very god time to start to teach the obidience and use the whistle.just feed it on the same time.the best idea is to have more than one hawk on hack,they can play together,and are more confident.however goshawk can be hack alone.the bird after hack is always the best.If you will see two birds flying .and hunting one by one,and one is hacked and another not,the huge diference will be immediately noticable.I do hack for my young birds every year ,and I can not imaging to have a bird without hack.In my country Poland ,we have a population of wild phesants,wild from generations.very,very fast.and they are very smart ,because so many of wild goshawks teach them "how to play a game". hunt that phesants with gos withowut hack ? "mission impossible".good luck !!!:yawinkle:

Hello Robin,
From your post - I take it your imprint gos is at hunting weight whilst at hack and killing pheasants, is this correct ?

Yours Jim.

[SeagulBasher]

out of curiosity anyone know how that dave jones gos he tame hacked turned out hunting wise and its habits etc "in the field"???

not a 100% sure but i think its dead now.

[Warren]

Hi!remember ,nothing better than wild hack.minimum 10 -14 days.Personally I do iven 3 weeks.but have to be carefool.and check where is your bird.this is a very god time to start to teach the obidience and use the whistle.just feed it on the same time.the best idea is to have more than one hawk on hack,they can play together,and are more confident.however goshawk can be hack alone.the bird after hack is always the best.If you will see two birds flying .and hunting one by one,and one is hacked and another not,the huge diference will be immediately noticable.I do hack for my young birds every year ,and I can not imaging to have a bird without hack.In my country Poland ,we have a population of wild phesants,wild from generations.very,very fast.and they are very smart ,because so many of wild goshawks teach them "how to play a game". hunt that phesants with gos withowut hack ? "mission impossible".good luck !!!:yawinkle:at last some one is on the same wave lenth as me thought i was the only one out there nice to here from you good hunting to you and your bird:rolleyes:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Bhawk
I appreciate you expressing your opinion on this, however if you read the thread back you will see that everyone on here have been polite and helpful, also i would say its some "for" and some "against" hacking. I don't mind anyone having a discussion, but I will not let you continue with being abusive and swearing, it was completely uncalled for, so please stop it love!

[Warren]

Bhawk
I appreciate you expressing your opinion on this, however if you read the thread back you will see that everyone on here have been polite and helpful, also i would say its some "for" and some "against" hacking. I don't mind anyone having a discussion, but I will not let you continue with being abusive and swearing, it was completely uncalled for, so please stop it love!who has been abusive and swearing :!:

[David Rampling]

If you are brave enough to hack a Gos, and have experience of it, and like the results, go ahead and hack one, and good luck to you. They used to hack spars, and watching a young bird playing is one of lifes highlights.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

who has been abusive and swearing :!:

:lol: Dont worrie about it, posts removed anyway

[Warren]

If you are brave enough to hack a Gos, and have experience of it, and like the results, go ahead and hack one, and good luck to you. They used to hack spars, and watching a young bird playing is one of lifes highlights.i have had many good years flying spars my best flights wear at black birds thats what gave me the bug for crows my spar latched on to a rook and it gave here a bit of a ticking of she wasn't to impressed ever since then i have gone crow mad and its not just goshawks i hack i do it to every bird i get spars harrishawks owls but now its only goshawks theres nothing to beet there determination and vigor for what thy do :-P

[BHawk]

Bhawk
I appreciate you expressing your opinion on this, however if you read the thread back you will see that everyone on here have been polite and helpful, also i would say its some "for" and some "against" hacking. I don't mind anyone having a discussion, but I will not let you continue with being abusive and swearing, it was completely uncalled for, so please stop it love!

:roll: ok ill be good, i just get p*ssed off at times

[Casper]

at last some one is on the same wave lenth as me thought i was the only one out there nice to here from you good hunting to you and your bird:rolleyes:

Carry on and get the land, the thread is out of control..Tame hacked Goshawks as said repeatably ( my posts too) are problems waiting to happen . You don't agree so enjoy your way i find it hard to believe most birds turned out O.K Atb C