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TimberDog
01-02-2005, 08:48 PM
some info for you:


2005 Bird Breeding list

Falconiformes UK

The following captive bred eyases will be produced for the 2004 Breeding season.
Below is a list along with current prices in GBP.
Males Females
Finnish Goshawks £900 (900g+) £2000(1417g –1640g)
German Goshawks £625 £1300
Cooper’s hawks £450 £595
Sonoran Harris’ Hawks £375(900g) £550(1200g)
Sonoran x Harris Hawks £375 £550(up to 1200g)
Sparrow Hawks £175 £295
Ferruginous Hawks £395 £500
Red Tailed Hawks £350 £450
Merlins £495 £595
Scottish Peregrines £550 £1000-£1500
Peregrines £450 £950
Perlins £650 £795
Peregrine/Saker £450 £595
Peregrine/Lanner £475 £595
Peregrine/Barbary £500 £850
Lanners £450 £550
Gyr/Sakers £500 £950
Gyr/Peregrines £595 £2500 - £3500
Gyr/Barbary £595 £1500
Gyrlins £800 £950
Gyrs also available P.O.A P.O.A

Please note prices are subject to change depending on availability

All bird’s weights are approximate and are quoted at about 14 weeks of age.
All birds are reared on a quality diet of quail, pigeon, rat and turkey poults, with calcium and D3 supplementation.

Birds can be fully imprinted to order at an additional cost of £250 per bird

To place an order for a bird a 10% deposit (non – refundable if you cancel the bird) is required to secure. If we are unable to supply the bird the deposit will be refunded.

NOTE: AIRFARE, BOXING, VETS CERTIFICATES AND TRANSPORT COSTS ARE EXTRA.

Yours faithfully

Craig Thomas FALCONIFORMES UK TEL/FAX 01327 261485
Mobile 07973 720189 WEBSITE: www.falconiformes.co.uk




Shaun Byrne
01-02-2005, 09:39 PM
How many you having Tim lol??

TimberDog
01-02-2005, 09:59 PM
If i had the money and the time i would have the lot and start my own center....lo..Heaven!!

LanczSpringer
01-02-2005, 11:04 PM
Should that not read

The following captive bred eyases will be produced for the [glow=red:5d602e1995]2004 [/glow:5d602e1995] (2005)Breeding season.
Below is a list along with current prices in GBP.

LanczSpringer
01-02-2005, 11:08 PM
Does anyone know what these are? Sonoran x Harris Hawks

any info on these would be great? I am looking at getting a harris this summer and have been looking for as much info as i can get over the last year and a bit

Ian Wileman
02-02-2005, 05:50 PM
three sub-species of the Harris Hawk (although some people argue there are only two?). To get your head around sub-species, imagine thrushes. There are several sub-species of thrush, for example the Mistle thrush and the Song thrush. Alternatively imagine Blue-tit and Great-tit. Now imagine Parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus, Parabuteo unicinctus harrisi and Parabuteo unicinctus superior (the dodgy one?). I believe the Sonoran harris (if I remember rightly), is P.u. unicinctus. I imagine therefore that a Sonaran x harris is a sub-species mating between this one and P.u.harrisi? I may be wrong, and knowing this place if I am, someone will put me straight on it.......

TimberDog
02-02-2005, 06:24 PM
Have a look on the link pictures of birds

Kessy
02-02-2005, 07:23 PM
I was thinking about the subspecies also... We shall see what Craig says ;)
Why is the 'supertior' one dodgy?

Ian Wileman
02-02-2005, 07:28 PM
Some say that the 'superior' sub-species is the largest of the Harris hawks, whilst others say the 'superior' is simply where the bird comes from. Whether this is correct remains to be seen. I am also very sceptical about anyone who claims to have 'pure' sub-species. Harris have been bred like budgies over the past couple of decades, with more and more people crossing 'big' birds, regardless of their sub-species. I may be wrong, but I feel you would have a real hard time finding birds of pure origin.

Kessy
02-02-2005, 09:04 PM
This is getting more and more interesting...
According to my book (Ferguson-Lee's "Raptors of the World") there are three races, of which the northern two differ very little in size and appearance:
- P. u. unicinctus, weights average 700g
- P. u. harrisi, weights M: 550-877g, F: 825-1200g
The 'unicinctus' ssp comes generally from Central and South America, white the 'harrisi' ssp comes from the Central America/Mexico due north.

You think that the 'Sonoran' wold be the second northern race, not mentioned by name in the book? You have practical knowledge, what are the wights of 'Sonorans' and 'Superiors'?

25-02-2005, 04:54 PM
The picture on the website of the Spars on Kills are off my female I was flying last year and the beggining of this year, Craig asked me for some for the website so I fired some over to him, the one on the Maggie and the one of the Collard Dove, One of Craigs pairs he breeds from was also a pair he brought off me!! I know the history of that pair and they're cracking birds, In one season she produced 3 clutches for me! 7 In the first then a 6 then a 5, the last 5 was all infertile due to the male coming out of condition, this pair produce some cracking stock of which the mother was the best Magpie hawk I ever owned, the Musket I also flew at Larks across the stubble fields...

Tony

Moses
10-03-2005, 07:46 PM
mate i spoke to alot of breeders lately for harris hawks

their price range seems to be around 350 to 375 mark for femake harris hawks yours are 550, how come mate

most expensive ive seen so far

Falconry Equipment International
10-03-2005, 09:38 PM
If you think that's pricet speak to folk like Martin Jones . A rhetorical question I wish to make , is that do you think I am being stupid when I know I can get a specific species of hawk/ falcon fors a specific price, then why am I prepared to apy somtimes more tahn double the going rate for certain strains/ bloodlines. i do hope you can read thro the lines!
J

Raseni
22-05-2005, 10:39 PM
good hawks are expensive, that a fact.

cheers,
Rasmus

North East Harris Hawker
02-06-2005, 12:23 PM
the only way i know of to be sure of geting a pure sorran or superior sub-species would be to import young birds bred from passage birds in the country of origin

and by the time you have all the papper work and fees not to mention the air fare is it realy worth it

mind you having said that if anyone does it and breeds them put me down for one lol


Andy.........

both my parent birds are second generation captive bred.
both birds' grandparents were wild captures.
If i compare the offspring of my birds with some of the other in bred garbage thats floating around the difference is shockingly obvious.
if "breeders" choose to breed with these runts and bring them up on d.o.c's thats up to them but there will be problems down the line..
it will put a divide on those who have good stock and those who have rubbish.
bought the best stock i could find, i drove to lands end to get my bird :shock: and it came at a price, but you get what you pay for and thats a fact.
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of price, you buy cheap, you buy twice" so true

Hercocan
15-09-2005, 03:44 PM
I want to buy an American kestrel, you have you some to the sale, or sabeis of someone q have them?. Thank you a greeting

Dude
15-09-2005, 05:04 PM
:shock: :?:

Moritz
15-09-2005, 05:36 PM
Are you spaniish by any chance??? Where do you live?

Moritz

MickeyDredd
15-09-2005, 05:41 PM
:shock: :?:

Your English aint so bad after all mate :lol: :lol:

SakerYZF
15-09-2005, 07:56 PM
MMM , Coopers look nice:D Perhaps a few years down the line eh:)

Hercocan
16-09-2005, 02:23 PM
My English is not good and if I am Spanish sabeis of someone that crie American kestrel?