Hello Yann ! "Rabadswompe"

[Dan Paradis]

Thought I'd share some pics from a couple years ago when you where helping training my dog on feathers :supz:

Yann is a highly skilled pointing dog trainer

Also if you want to use this thread for your needs and add on some toughts, pics and experience it would be great for everyone !

Enjoy..Dan

[Rabadswompe]

Thanks Dan!
Boy... I was thinner back then! :)
Post some pics of Ellwood... He's 3 y.o. now right?

I'm always glad to help anyone who wants to work with hunting dogs!

[Dan Paradis]

Here's a couple of Elwood from last year...should take some new ones soon as I'm working him in the snow this week

Dan

[Dan Paradis]

Yann

Any pics of Jet...in action or at ease ?

Dan

[ArabianFalconer]

aa ha found the hiding man at last!!:evil: Where have you been Yann?

I would love to get a pointer trained by a person like you, you really have the talent and above all the desire.. I noticed that with the team you had flown ;)

Don't take 2 long to get me an answer about the crazy anatum though,,:lol:


Best regards,

Faris

[Rabadswompe]

Hi there Faris!!!! :)

look at your PMs, hope you get your answer soon.

Yann

[Rabadswompe]

I don't have any of him in action but have some of him in the snow.
But the thing is I don't know how to post a pic directly on the forum. Guidance needed !

[Dan Paradis]

Here is a series of pics during Elwood's training on pheasants. Search,point, bump and flush on command.

Dan

[Rabadswompe]

Wow... He DID ''beef-out'' good! Much wider in the chest than when I last saw him, and a bit more '' fat reserves'' too, wich is great.

Glad to hear that he's performing to your liking. Merit is to be awarded to the genetics he has and to your training efforts and use of him. Like any trained animal, Ellwood learns and betters himself at each outing... With you, Ellwood can't go wrong!:supz:

I still have to figure out how to post a pic directly and be prepared for a shock (or not) cause Jet is a carbon copy of his older brother :)



Yann

[Q8e]

Hey Yann there is a guide on how to post photos located here: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8342

Nice pictures of your dog Dan, who knows I might get to see him in action soon. :supz:


Is Yann the breeder?

[ArabianFalconer]

Wow... He DID ''beef-out'' good! Much wider in the chest than when I last saw him, and a bit more '' fat reserves'' too, wich is great.

Glad to hear that he's performing to your liking. Merit is to be awarded to the genetics he has and to your training efforts and use of him. Like any trained animal, Ellwood learns and betters himself at each outing... With you, Ellwood can't go wrong!:supz:

I still have to figure out how to post a pic directly and be prepared for a shock (or not) cause Jet is a carbon copy of his older brother :)



Yann

I can post them for you while you find out how.. ;-)

[Rabadswompe]

thanks Faris but Fawkes just PMed me the instructions.

Fresh pics will be taken in the snow tomorrow

Yann

[Rabadswompe]

Hi Q8E!

No, the breeder is a good friend of mine. I've been training German shorthair pointers and their cousin breeds for years. I also have trained brittany spaniels but my heart goes to the ''BRAQUE'' breeds.

[Dan Paradis]

Hey Yann there is a guide on how to post photos located here: http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8342

Nice pictures of your dog Dan, who knows I might get to see him in action soon. :supz:


Is Yann the breeder?

Thanks Mohamed, reserve a spot soon my agenda is more and more loaded

No Yann is not that pervert...he's not the breeder :lol:

[Dan Paradis]

Hi Q8E!

No, the breeder is a good friend of mine. I've been training German shorthair pointers and their cousin breeds for years. I also have trained brittany spaniels but my heart goes to the ''BRAQUE'' breeds.

..come on send it over...

[ArabianFalconer]

Here you go Yann,,,

These are the ones you've sent me :supz::supz:

[Ben Wallace]

Stunning dog.Love the colouring,......incredible confirmation. Look forward to hearing of his progress. How old is he? Who will he be bred back to,.........where do I sign on the dotted line.

Sincerely,
BenWallace

[Dan Paradis]

Stunning dog.Love the colouring,......incredible confirmation. Look forward to hearing of his progress. How old is he? Who will he be bred back to,.........where do I sign on the dotted line.

Sincerely,
BenWallace

Wich one you want Ben ?! There is two different dogs here, first series is mine the other (later pics) is Yann's dog :rolleyes::lol:

[Ben Wallace]

Here is a series of pics during Elwood's training on pheasants. Search,point, bump and flush on command.

Dan

This Dog. Confirmation is incredible,.....must be related to the one in the other pictures?? No??

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace

[Rabadswompe]

Told you guys they looked Alike!!! :lol: My Jet has a yellow dog tag! Elwood's is silver.
Thanks Faris (ArabianFalconer) for resizing the pics for me... I'm at a loss with computers:cry:

Ben, Elwood is older than Jet by 1 litter (read hear Jet being the baby brother). Pics of Elwood are all posted by Dan, my 2 pics are there by Faris' help. Jet is now 2.5y.o. So that would make Elwood 3. Father is Atila and mother is Kiwi to them both. Kiwi is no longer a breeding female.

Jet is due to get his hips certified this coming month has his breeder plans to use him on a new female (Zilla... see website below) that he got from germany. Benn Vanderhaegen's dogs, as Dan, myself and 2 other friend of ours can certifiy are natural hunters... interest, compliance (no surlyness) and stamina and natural points at a very young age (we're taking 2.5 months old here). Great straight legs, tight paws, great nose, good back, broad shoulders and rib cage. Training is just a matter of basic discipline and exposure, exposure and exposure to game.

Here is the link to Benn Vanderhaegen's website : www.dkvhh.com

Yann

[Dan Paradis]

Finally Ben Vanderhagen... has a website !

Ben (Wallace) the reason my dog is so in good shape it's very simple...he runs, works and plays every single day of life ! Never been tethered and has been imprinted on falconry & austringry life stuff since he is 3-4 months old. It is not a "sofa" dog or living room dog if you like...

You can have a dog from Yann and Ben's line I recommand you it strongly. BUT I'm also looking to breed Elwood with an other female (wich is a falconry dog bloodline you see) Of course a gun dog can turn out to be a very good falconry dog, no problem, but why not give more chance to it.

Pic shows Elwoods play ground: openland to enclosed forest land, he works them all so greatly. Huns are in good # locally.

Dan

[CJTaylor]

Finally Ben Vanderhagen... has a website !

Ben (Wallace) the reason my dog is so in good shape it's very simple...he runs, works and plays every single day of life ! Never been tethered and has been imprinted on falconry & austringry life stuff since he is 3-4 months old. It is not a "sofa" dog or living room dog if you like...

You can have a dog from Yann and Ben's line I recommand you it strongly. BUT I'm also looking to breed Elwood with an other female (wich is a falconry dog bloodline you see) Of course a gun dog can turn out to be a very good falconry dog, no problem, but why not give more chance to it.

Pic shows Elwoods play ground: openland to enclosed forest land, he works them all so greatly. Huns are in good # locally.

DanGreat pictures Dan. and good thread mate:yawinkle:colin

[Rabadswompe]

It's all a matter of NURTURE vs NATURE right?

Dogs, through selective breeding, have evolved to where they are now : suited to a purpose.

Elwood is indeed an excellent F1 (1st generation) falconry dog, not only imprinted but I'd say saturated with bird of prey exposure while Jet, admittedly, only started to get constant exposure to falconry bird at the age of 1.5.

Dan, do you rememder Heidi? Nice liver and white female GSP. She was imported as a pup to add to the genetics of Benn's line. Heidi was out of a small game-big game line... years of breeding and selection to get versatile GSPs who hunted small game like pros but would also have enough grit to find wounded wild boars and hold it there t'ill the hunters arrive to dispatch it. Benn rejected her as this ''grit'' (too mouthy, dominant even possessive) was undesirable in a small game-live-at-home line such as the one wich produced Elwood. Gritty dogs can be great hunters in the right hands but in a home context... better kept in a kennel.

Genetics sometimes ''boomerangs''... I take for example the ''pointing labs''. English pointers wher eused to give a good nose to labrador retreivers whay back when the breed was created. In the last 25 years (of more not sure), Some breeders noticed the natural urge to make solid, trance-like points in some of their labs. Selective breeding of thosepups is currently taking place (they might be at F8 by now) to make the Trait a steadfast characteristic.
Never will such labs match speed and performance an English setter, english pointer of the GSP and brittanies ... but for a regular Joe who needs a duck dog and sometimes does some upland...hey, not a bad compromise.

Dan's 100% right : you MAKE your dog. Starting off right, with constance, discipline and unweavering effort makes a dog of good breeding into a ''machine'' all would like to hunt with. The opposite is also true. Take the same dog and if you slack or botch the training and everyday life rules.... that same dog won't be worth the bullet needed to put him down (figure of speach!).

sorry if I made this post so long... I tend to go on and on about hunting dogs (don't give a damn about Shih tzus though ... ) . To me there's nothing more fun :heart: than to get to pick a 1st choice pup of of a litter at 8 weeks of age and then remembering how you made that choice when, yeaaaars after, your partner makes you proud.

Yann

[HelenG]

And your partner Jet sure makes you proud Yann. Jet has turned me on to GSP (the all terrain, all purpose, water and land dog as you put it!) since meeting him, although I'm partial to the liver and white (here's to hoping Jet can throw some liver pups!). The thing I love about Jet is the inability for anything to phase him, he quickly adapts to any task or situation you throw at him, as well as his total loyalty and willingness to please you. Punishment for him is having to sit in the truck while you let another dog have your attention and all the fun. Oh, and I like how quickly GSP dry as opposed to stinky smelly German Shepherds like Freya!
I'm glad I have a friend like you for when it comes time to picking a breed, a dog and for the training!
A pic of Jet and his duck

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/HelenMontreal/jetsduck.jpg

[Rabadswompe]

thanks Helen for the picture of Wet Jet (pun intended)!! Not too dignified with snot and drool over his nose but certainly the all-terrain bad boy he was selected to be!

The more you expose any dog to everything with positive outcomes everytime, the more the dog progresses without knowing fear. Loud noises, car radio blaring, car-truck-motorcycle traffic, shooting, livestock... If everything is normal, then a dog just focusses on the Job : finding the Game.

[Dan Paradis]

It's all a matter of NURTURE vs NATURE right?

Dogs, through selective breeding, have evolved to where they are now : suited to a purpose.

Elwood is indeed an excellent F1 (1st generation) falconry dog, not only imprinted but I'd say saturated with bird of prey exposure while Jet, admittedly, only started to get constant exposure to falconry bird at the age of 1.5.

Dan, do you rememder Heidi? Nice liver and white female GSP. She was imported as a pup to add to the genetics of Benn's line. Heidi was out of a small game-big game line... years of breeding and selection to get versatile GSPs who hunted small game like pros but would also have enough grit to find wounded wild boars and hold it there t'ill the hunters arrive to dispatch it. Benn rejected her as this ''grit'' (too mouthy, dominant even possessive) was undesirable in a small game-live-at-home line such as the one wich produced Elwood. Gritty dogs can be great hunters in the right hands but in a home context... better kept in a kennel.

Genetics sometimes ''boomerangs''... I take for example the ''pointing labs''. English pointers wher eused to give a good nose to labrador retreivers whay back when the breed was created. In the last 25 years (of more not sure), Some breeders noticed the natural urge to make solid, trance-like points in some of their labs. Selective breeding of thosepups is currently taking place (they might be at F8 by now) to make the Trait a steadfast characteristic.
Never will such labs match speed and performance an English setter, english pointer of the GSP and brittanies ... but for a regular Joe who needs a duck dog and sometimes does some upland...hey, not a bad compromise.

Dan's 100% right : you MAKE your dog. Starting off right, with constance, discipline and unweavering effort makes a dog of good breeding into a ''machine'' all would like to hunt with. The opposite is also true. Take the same dog and if you slack or botch the training and everyday life rules.... that same dog won't be worth the bullet needed to put him down (figure of speach!).

sorry if I made this post so long... I tend to go on and on about hunting dogs (don't give a damn about Shih tzus though ... ) . To me there's nothing more fun :heart: than to get to pick a 1st choice pup of of a litter at 8 weeks of age and then remembering how you made that choice when, yeaaaars after, your partner makes you proud.

Yann

You're all sooo right Yann,

Also when you have time on your hand to do things right that is where you get your pay back ! Training is time consuming it is not just the breed that does the trick...it is the time you put in aswell. Like with any other living creatures :supz:

Good post Yann !

[HelenG]

Yeah I know, i thought about the whole snot thing before posting it, but I thought it was a nice pic of him being a well behaved boy anyways. Anyone who knows dogs will know that the snot/drool on him means he worked hard prior to that pic! At least I didn't post one of the pics I have of him on a kennel point!;)

[Dan Paradis]

Yann.. Send pics of your hawk soon :yawinkle: ciboire :supz:

Dan

[Dan Paradis]

...here is one of mine with the dog in my way :x

[Rabadswompe]

I'm gonna post a pic this week-end! Time has been scarce.

I swear... those 2 dogs of ours are chips of the same block!

Yann

[Rabadswompe]

He're my new boy with a full crop of quail !
A hood has been ordered from Ken. Very worth the wait :)

Still don't have any idea of his weight... I plan on weighing him as soon as the hood arrives. Until then, buffet is on me I guess!

[Dan Paradis]

Nice !

What type of hood did you order from Ken :supz:

[Rabadswompe]

the tooled el-diablo!!!:supz:
Elegant, simple and sober tooling gives it very nice ''hunter look''

[Kitana]

You've finally got your Harris Yann! Is it your own? A second-hand adult bird?? I wanna know more! :)

[Rabadswompe]

Mine....allllllllll mine! my own..my prrrrecioussssssssssss

He's a 2006 tiercel. Previously trained but still room to learn new tricks ! Considering he's a fat bird right now, having him give me 3 -4 warning screams as I get in the mew (got him 6 days ago and he hasn't seen me much since then), rouse and then put a foot up and look at me all calm and silent.... promissing!!!!!

[Kitana]

Mine....allllllllll mine! my own..my prrrrecioussssssssssss

He's a 2006 tiercel. Previously trained but still room to learn new tricks ! Considering he's a fat bird right now, having him give me 3 -4 warning screams as I get in the mew (got him 6 days ago and he hasn't seen me much since then), rouse and then put a foot up and look at me all calm and silent.... promissing!!!!!

Indeed! I'm looking forward to reading about your success stories with him!

[Dan Paradis]

Mine....allllllllll mine! my own..my prrrrecioussssssssssss

He's a 2006 tiercel. Previously trained but still room to learn new tricks ! Considering he's a fat bird right now, having him give me 3 -4 warning screams as I get in the mew (got him 6 days ago and he hasn't seen me much since then), rouse and then put a foot up and look at me all calm and silent.... promissing!!!!!

Yann you should tell the story out of these birds :lol:

How come Benn is viewing on here and just don't speak so to say...are we not up to his level ???wasup?

here's mine today on the creance........Dan

[Rabadswompe]

I've told Benn that 2 of his dogs were posted on the IFF and received much praise.

As I know Benn, he is a man to say something if he has something to say.

[Dan Paradis]

I've told Benn that 2 of his dogs were posted on the IFF and received much praise.

As I know Benn, he is a man to say something if he has something to say.

who's dogs! who's dogs! errrr:rolleyes:

it does'nt cost more to say hello, but that's fine

[Rabadswompe]

:evil:You know when every detail gets covered... every precaution is taken and yet someone gets creative and invents a new way to #$?#?-up????

Picture this. Matt Lieberknecht from the Central Ontario School of Falconry is sending 2 birds to Quebec. The birds were put in very well identified crates. One in Dan's name with infos and his waybill number and one, of course, in my name with MY waybill number.

Birds get droppend off at the Air Canada counter. So far everything is normal.

I get the cal my bird has arrived in Montreal. I get that ''it's christmas'' feeling (woo hooo), drive to the airport (35 mins) and go to Air Canada cargo. I give my waybill and when the box gets to me, SHOCK! It's my waybill and stickers but the crate is well identified to Dan! I ask if there isn't a mistake, an other box... I'am assured that THIS IS my box. okee-dokee.

Turns out that it was not my box. I got Dan's female and....you guessed it, my bird was now in Quebec city. Called Matt to check with him. We're both at a loss trying to explain. Communicate with Dan to get an exchage set up.

I drive 1.30h to Trois-Rivières. Dan was supposed to meet me there but I get his call....the bird was moved to an other flight (My bird WAS in Montreal when I left!!!!:evil: ) and got to quebec city almost 2 h late.

Dan got the bird, and drove to meet me. After a coffee , we both hit the road. I reached home at 11h05!

Needless to say that Dan, Matt and I are trying to get compensation from Air Canada. Some of their employee in Toronto obviously needs reading glasses!!!!!

Lucky for us, and our birds, that Montreal and Quebec aren't that far. A mix-up between Mtl and Vancouver would have been disastrous...on my nerves and on the bird!

[Rabadswompe]

who's dogs! who's dogs! errrr:rolleyes:



I meant it the way any breeder likes to hear what has happpend to the animals he produces and sells...how they perform and other such things. Breeders rarely phone and ask clients how the animal is doing...

[Dan Paradis]

I meant it the way any breeder likes to hear what has happpend to the animals he produces and sells...how they perform and other such things. Breeders rarely phone and ask clients how the animal is doing...

Most of the falconers I've sold my birds to are giving me some feed back at some point. I start discussions with them or better still they come back at the Centre for an advance day course with their birds. I always enjoy sharing with them :supz:

[SakerJack]

the tooled el-diablo!!!:supz:
Elegant, simple and sober tooling gives it very nice ''hunter look''

Sober!! you are kidding correct?? I never tool sober,, LOL I have just sent you an e-mail Yann..

[Rabadswompe]

Sober!! you are kidding correct?? I never tool sober,, LOL I have just sent you an e-mail Yann..

:lol: good one!!!!!

[Rabadswompe]

Ken sent me my hood! A beautyful tooled and tri-coloured El-diablo.
:-P:-P super work in both art, workmanship and service!

It'll be all up-hill work getting him (my bird - Boris) to accept being hooded as he was never been in one in his 2 years of life. I want him to accept the hood as I see it as a great management tool (some people disagree... but an extra tool in the toolbox is never a waste of effort).

So... fat like he is (and molting too) I'll keep Boris free lofted until april and then start general training...

Happy Easter to all

Yann

[Dan Paradis]

Yann,

I'm affraid it will take much more time to molt...Leave him till at least he has droped all flight feathers @ around ±mid-end July and then start its training

Just a suggestion though.

I sometimes fly birds all trhough the moult for my needs, but...it is not as clean as shoulb be and feather growing during winter will not develop well in my experience even with proper diet.

As for the hooding you will find it very usefull. You can call if you need help.

Dan

[Rabadswompe]

Thanks for the infos Dan! If Boris "bucks" too much ,I'll definatly call for your advice.

To me , a hood for my hawk in the field is like a leash for my dog, extra control...just in case!

Now...if only spring can arrive!!!!!

[Rabadswompe]

For those wo have read the previous post i=on this matter in this thread, here's how Air Canada deals with their goof-ups :

I have to sign papers (essentially to say that by accepting the proposed ammount I will never bug them about it again). Their are sooo sorry. The shipping ammount is non refundable no matter what and they give me 50$ for my trouble.

I'll take it and stop thinking about it.

Has anyone except Dan and I ever had this type of situation happen to them? How was the issue resolved???

Yann

[ArabianFalconer]

For those wo have read the previous post i=on this matter in this thread, here's how Air Canada deals with their goof-ups :

I have to sign papers (essentially to say that by accepting the proposed ammount I will never bug them about it again). Their are sooo sorry. The shipping ammount is non refundable no matter what and they give me 50$ for my trouble.

I'll take it and stop thinking about it.

Has anyone except Dan and I ever had this type of situation happen to them? How was the issue resolved???

Yann


This is how you should deal with them when its only $50 Yann :gib::rock: lol

Faris

[Ben Wallace]

For those wo have read the previous post i=on this matter in this thread, here's how Air Canada deals with their goof-ups :

I have to sign papers (essentially to say that by accepting the proposed ammount I will never bug them about it again). Their are sooo sorry. The shipping ammount is non refundable no matter what and they give me 50$ for my trouble.

I'll take it and stop thinking about it.

Has anyone except Dan and I ever had this type of situation happen to them? How was the issue resolved???

Yann

Hi Yann,

Air Canada Sucks. I have had nothing but problems with them. they once forgot a tranfer permit for a gyr/peregrine female that was shipped tp Bahrain. The falcon was held for 2 days in Germany while they sorted it out. No explanations, no sorrys,...no admition of any wrong doing and no refund. Luckily they are organized for raptors at the airports in Germany,....so she was still feather perfect and sent on.

I have made it my personal mission never to use them for shipping and personal travel ever again. This from a company that my tax dollars have bailed out time and time again. Use Westjet if you want to ship within Canada,...they are great and 1/3 the cost.

As well I am an Air Canada Aeroplan card holder,......recently they stripped 100,000 points from my account with next to no notice,....notice was buried in their junk email. They say it was because of account inactivity? I am waiting for 1000's of other Canadians who got ripped off in similar fashion to file a class action law suit,.....and crush those ********.

AIR CANADA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Ben Wallace

[Q8e]

Yea having had many dogs shipped to and from Kuwait I know Air Canada can be a pain. Honestly if your falcons or dogs are headed to the middle east do yourself a favor and use British airways or the destination countries airline. eg: Emirates for the UAE, kuwait airways for Kuwait :rolleyes:, Saudi airlines for KSA, Gulf Air for Bahrain. You could do BA to heathrow and then on to the final destination or switch carriers there, what airline doesnt fly from heathrow? :supz:

Honestly BA has to be one of the friendliest and easiest airlines I know who do everything to facilitate your needs.

Most North American airlines I have to say love screwing you. Everytime I fly back home I happily go through heathrow and will wait up to 9 hours transit (thats what the caviar house in terminal 4 is for!) sometimes andthen on to Kuwait rather then Montreal to D.C. and direct flight to Kuwait. I just experienced so much hassles flying on american carriers and not only through security lol.

[Dan Paradis]

For those wo have read the previous post i=on this matter in this thread, here's how Air Canada deals with their goof-ups :

I have to sign papers (essentially to say that by accepting the proposed ammount I will never bug them about it again). Their are sooo sorry. The shipping ammount is non refundable no matter what and they give me 50$ for my trouble.

I'll take it and stop thinking about it.

Has anyone except Dan and I ever had this type of situation happen to them? How was the issue resolved???

Yann

Sorry Yann could'nt reply to your phone call the other day mine is too busy with courses, breeding and household these days....but I did'nt claim at Air Banana ehh,,, Canada. I'll use another company next time for my own export birds shipment that will hurt them more then refunding 50 buck :box:

Dan

[Rabadswompe]

I understand fully Dan! Babies everywhere at your place eh?!!!

I've used Air Canada only once... the previous 4 times it was all West Jet and they did an A-1 job. I'll stick with what works!

[Dan Paradis]

Any update on your bird Yann, how is it going so far ?

Dan