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OutFlying
10-02-2008, 12:29 PM
Will do Paul,
The eagle tailsheath was 15" long and 5" across.

Now going into production on bow perches -

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OutFlying
10-02-2008, 12:39 PM
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Indoor and outdoor bow perches.

Shaun Byrne
10-02-2008, 02:10 PM
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Indoor and outdoor bow perches.

Now we're talking Jim:supz:

All one size? Prices if you can mate.

Hawkmaster
10-02-2008, 02:18 PM
Great good job!

OutFlying
10-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Shaun,
I'm going to price them up this week and maybe make them out of larger diameter tube if possible.

Most likely mild steel powder coated as stainless prices have gone through the roof.

Different sizes will be available, but all of them will be "bow shaped" and not the usual rubbish peddled by many.

Jim.

Rab Marshall
10-02-2008, 08:54 PM
Shaun,
I'm going to price them up this week and maybe make them out of larger diameter tube if possible.

Most likely mild steel powder coated as stainless prices have gone through the roof.

Different sizes will be available, but all of them will be "bow shaped" and not the usual rubbish peddled by many.

Jim.

jim is it possible to price stainless ones as well
would prefer stainless myself
thanks,rab

OutFlying
10-02-2008, 09:01 PM
jim is it possible to price stainless ones as well
would prefer stainless myself
thanks,rab


I'll price all versions.

Jim.

Shaun
10-02-2008, 09:16 PM
i like the outdoor one jim

Redeye
10-02-2008, 10:25 PM
Will you be doing a high ring jim as I could do with a spare to leave at work?

thanks

Ivan

OutFlying
11-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Will you be doing a high ring jim as I could do with a spare to leave at work?

thanks

Ivan

Will be doing a version of the high ring perch with a bearing housing, Ivan - will post details when made.

Jim.

OutFlying
11-02-2008, 10:26 PM
2 prototypes in production to work out costs and designs.

It will be mild steel, then galvenised and finally powder coated.

The bow section will be either 35mm or 30mm solid steel bar.

Should be finalised with 2 weeks.

Jim.

Redeye
12-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Will be doing a version of the high ring perch with a bearing housing, Ivan - will post details when made.

Jim.
ok cheers jim,
remember nice & cheap:yawinkle:

DazMan
12-02-2008, 09:44 AM
jim will these perches come coverd leather/astroturf ? darren

OutFlying
12-02-2008, 09:47 AM
jim will these perches come coverd leather/astroturf ? darren

Darren,
I personnally dislike astroturf as a covering for a bow perch as the ring doesn't move freely over it.

The bowperch can be covered, it will be rope and then rubber over that.

The bowperch will be available uncovered or rubber finished top.

Jim.

DazMan
12-02-2008, 11:31 AM
agreed jim just wondering if they came coverd or uncoverd and what types were available they look a lot better than some i have seen for sale....darren

TimDog80
12-02-2008, 12:09 PM
Will be doing a version of the high ring perch with a bearing housing, Ivan - will post details when made.

Jim.
ill be interested jim especially if there ready for the fair:yawinkle:

cheers
tim

OutFlying
12-02-2008, 01:36 PM
ill be interested jim especially if there ready for the fair:yawinkle:

cheers
tim

That's what i'm hoping Tim, no delivery charges then :lol:

Jim.

OutFlying
05-07-2008, 12:49 PM
Finished bow perch.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/DSCF0009.jpg

Reall Hawk
05-07-2008, 01:06 PM
lovely looking bow,and gos... wondered if you have a price list? thanks

Gosman_2
05-07-2008, 01:07 PM
Nice bow perch Jim:supz: Trying to say this without it sounding rude :) how do you get the rubber on the bow perch is it rapped around like tape ?

OutFlying
05-07-2008, 01:51 PM
Nice bow perch Jim:supz: Trying to say this without it sounding rude :) how do you get the rubber on the bow perch is it rapped around like tape ?


It's rubber tape over a rope covering, I've used in the past a bikes innertube - they work well.

Jim.

OutFlying
05-07-2008, 01:56 PM
lovely looking bow,and gos... wondered if you have a price list? thanks

The outdoor spike version are £55 without a perch covering or £65 completed.

Bow made from 30mm solid bar, then galvenized and finally powder coated.

This is the design before powder coating -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/DSC00086_2.jpg

Yours Jim.

Crow Buster
05-07-2008, 02:34 PM
Jim

I have a female Gos coming in August. Will you be able to supply a covered bow perch by then and what will the delivery costs be.

Regards

UKFlyer
05-07-2008, 02:35 PM
Hi Jim they look great I'd be interested in a couple, let me know how much and could you price for ss too.
Mike

OutFlying
05-07-2008, 02:41 PM
Jim

I have a female Gos coming in August. Will you be able to supply a covered bow perch by then and what will the delivery costs be.

Regards


Due to being solid bar and having a wide frame on the base they are very heavy when compared to most commercially available bow perches, postage will be at cost but may be quite a high cost.

Jim.

OutFlying
05-07-2008, 02:41 PM
Hi Jim they look great I'd be interested in a couple, let me know how much and could you price for ss too.
Mike


Outdoor or indoor ?

Jim.

UKFlyer
08-07-2008, 10:53 PM
Outdoor or indoor ?

Jim.

Outdoor

Alan G
15-07-2008, 05:27 PM
Jim,

Have you got any further with the high perch and worked out any costs yet?

Just asking for the time being. :yawinkle:

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 05:29 PM
Alan,
I forgot..........

Jim.

Mary Quite Contrary
15-07-2008, 10:23 PM
It's rubber tape over a rope covering, I've used in the past a bikes innertube - they work well.

Jim.

Cor I bet some smart good looking fella thought of that:lol:

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 10:35 PM
Cor I bet some smart good looking fella thought of that:lol:


It looks well Mark,
Just need to see how long it lasts. Thanks for the tape.

Jim.

CJTaylor
15-07-2008, 11:10 PM
The outdoor spike version are £55 without a perch covering or £65 completed.

Bow made from 30mm solid bar, then galvenized and finally powder coated.

This is the design before powder coating -

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/outflying/DSC00086_2.jpg

Yours Jim. Try making the top with stainless steel pipe, takes less bending ,is lighter and cheaper, ive made many will look for some pics, made Neil hunter one completely stainless last year for his eagles, also putting a mounting on your bottom rail, and using black alkathene tubing, is both rigid lighter and cheaper ,also more bird friendly,i made the first for a guy who lives near me up in the lakes,the temp at night in winter used to give his harris feet probs?, i found the rigid alkathene didnt draw heat from the toes as much, even though they were padded....colin...they were around £35 each and have been in use for over 15 years with not a hitch...

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:21 PM
Thanks Colin,
Used stainless tube before, tried solid bar but expensive. Next attempt will be plastic water pipe (can't spell the name :lol: ) with metal base and 2 spigots forming the start of the bow.

Thanks for the advice,

Yours Jim.

CJTaylor
15-07-2008, 11:26 PM
Thanks Colin,
Used stainless tube before, tried solid bar but expensive. Next attempt will be plastic water pipe (can't spell the name :lol: ) with metal base and 2 spigots forming the start of the bow.

Thanks for the advice,

Yours Jim. Hmm!, will photo and put on tomorrow, rather than a spigot, i found using a stainless tube socket better :rolleyes:

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Hello Colin,
Did the pipe fit into the socket or over it ?

Jim.

TimDog80
15-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Hello Colin,
Did the pipe fit into the socket or over it ?

Jim.
The one i got the pipe fits into the socket jim..........had it for about 10 years now!!

ill try and get a pic up of it soon

..tim

CJTaylor
15-07-2008, 11:42 PM
Hello Colin,
Did the pipe fit into the socket or over it ?

Jim.inside was more secure, bore out the stainless pipe to clearance on the alkathene,and drill and weld a stainless pin through, alkathene has amazing tensile strength, and immune to weather, just drill a drain hole into the socket centre thru the base to drain any water that may get there, and taper the stainless pipe on the lathe so it leaves no ledge as it meets the tube?, only takes minutes. If you fit over the tube, you then need to have a reasonable diameter rivot or bolt on the outside of the tube which although can be somewhat softened, still leaves a possible snag point for both hawk or furniture..colin

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:42 PM
The one i got the pipe fits into the socket jim..........had it for about 10 years now!!

ill try and get a pic up of it soon

..tim


Thanks Tim,
I'm trying to get the perch diameter to 40mm without padding, and then minimum padding added to enable the tethering ring to pass freely over the bow.

Jim.

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:45 PM
inside was more secure, bore out the stainless pipe to clearance on the alkathene,and drill and weld a stainless pin through, alkathene has amazing tensile strength, and immune to weather, just drill a drain hole into the socket centre thru the base to drain any water that may get there, and taper the stainless pipe on the lathe so it leaves no ledge as it meets the tube?, only takes minutes. If you fit over the tube, you then need to have a reasonable diameter rivot or bolt on the outside of the tube which although can be somewhat softened, still leaves a possible snag point for both hawk or furniture..colin


Colin,
Would it not be possible to have bar running inside and a tight fit for the first 5" and use an adhesive ? or countersink a fastening ?

Jim.

Jim.

CJTaylor
15-07-2008, 11:46 PM
Thanks Tim,
I'm trying to get the perch diameter to 40mm without padding, and then minimum padding added to enable the tethering ring to pass freely over the bow.

Jim.Thats one real benefit with alkathene,very little padding is needed as the pipe is larger in dia than would be suitable with metal bar..

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:48 PM
Thats one real benefit with alkathene,very little padding is needed as the pipe is larger in dia than would be suitable with metal bar..


I'll try some this week,

Jim.

CJTaylor
15-07-2008, 11:55 PM
Colin,
Would it not be possible to have bar running inside and a tight fit for the first 5" and use an adhesive ? or countersink a fastening ?

Jim.

Jim.I have done this but then in engineering terms we are relying on whats called a friction grip?, as against a secured grip, i tried alsorts mate, and must of made and sold hundereds of blocks and bows under (taylor made) but what i ended up with was as above and they worked best, you will always get some daft sod trying to pull his bow out of the frozen ground by yanking at one side, then in colder climes, even adledite changes molecular structure and can become brittle and prone to break,years of expansion and contraction on two completely diff marerials in essence (plastic and steel) will break any adhesive, just drill and pin, not much more effort for a lifetime cert...will post some of my equipment tom, i also used to make very large ring perches, from 2" stainless pipe polished and mouted on a large 3/4" dia spike that stoodnearly one metre high...if i do say myself i think they were the best hawk or eagle perches ive ever seen or used. but they were labour intensive....most went to large eagles or gosses...colin

OutFlying
15-07-2008, 11:58 PM
Cheers Colin,
I'll have a look at the photo's, like you say " they've got to stand the test of time" and abuse from owners.

Jim.

Mac
16-07-2008, 01:29 AM
a local fabriation firm charged a mate of mine £15 to make a solid mild steel version of the large bowperch shown in emma fords book.

i myself consider ray prior bowperches to be the best i have ever seen or used.

CJTaylor
16-07-2008, 01:45 AM
a local fabriation firm charged a mate of mine £15 to make a solid mild steel version of the large bowperch shown in emma fords book.

i myself consider ray prior bowperches to be the best i have ever seen or used.

Mac i will if poss put up a pic of the stainless ring perches i use to make, they are very large, out of 2" stainless sched 40 pipe, about2 feet diameter nearly 3 feet tall,birds would not bait from them as they were tetherd high so baiting would throw the hawks face to the floor?..i made about 20, mostly for eagles, but they are the best perch ive ever used,or will ever..see what you think tom mate

CJTaylor
16-07-2008, 06:25 PM
Re perches, will have to find a scanner to put my photos up,as my digital isnt giving me a good image from photo.........!..colin...bare with me

TimDog80
16-07-2008, 06:44 PM
Re perches, will have to find a scanner to put my photos up,as my digital isnt giving me a good image from photo.........!..colin...bare with me
turn the automatic flash off on it then colin;)......ive done it a few times now as the light reflection seems to blur the pic:yawinkle:

CJTaylor
16-07-2008, 06:45 PM
turn the automatic flash off on it then colin;)......ive done it a few times now as the light reflection seems to blur the pic:yawinkle:
Cheers mate,will try that tomorrow, presently hard at work:rolleyes:on 12 hour nights cover........colin