Breeding Chambers

[Falcons7]

Hi all ,
thought I would start a thread to help with a project Im planning to complete by the end of the summer and also help for others who are looking to build chambers regardless of size.
Every time I see other folks chambers there is always something I would have done a little different, I'm wanting to lessen the degree of ''I wish I had thought of that'' and try and get it right the first time so I would like as much input as possible whether I agree or not as many heads are better than one .I drew a rough plan to get started and end section ,not to scale but with sizes so I look forward to all imput no mater how small or daft it may sound ,like they say its in the detail so lets try and design the best chambers we can.Stuff like cameras can always be added ,it the actual pens Im talking about ,even something as small as to where to put sinks ,taps etc etc ,its all stuff that only get done once so lets try and get it right.
cheers Jeff
ps I'm a builder !!!

[Kentish Falconry]

Good thread Jeff, I will watch this with interest
Terry :supz:

[ChrisRobbo]

Good stuff.

Have you drawn that in microsoft excel? If you have thats definately dedication.

I'm drawing some for a mate on autocad when he gets me the bloody dimensions!


ATB, chris

[TiercelMan]

Hi all ,
thought I would start a thread to help with a project Im planning to complete by the end of the summer and also help for others who are looking to build chambers regardless of size.
Every time I see other folks chambers there is always something I would have done a little different, I'm wanting to lessen the degree of ''I wish I had thought of that'' and try and get it right the first time so I would like as much input as possible whether I agree or not as many heads are better than one .I drew a rough plan to get started and end section ,not to scale but with sizes so I look forward to all imput no mater how small or daft it may sound ,like they say its in the detail so lets try and design the best chambers we can.Stuff like cameras can always be added ,it the actual pens Im talking about ,even something as small as to where to put sinks ,taps etc etc ,its all stuff that only get done once so lets try and get it right.
cheers Jeff
ps I'm a builder !!!

Hi Jeff,

Some time this year I've got to replace my pens. Just wondering what you propose for ventilation ie. through draft. You know how hot even open top pens can get. I thought something like a blanked off gap all round at ground level, to allow cool air to come in as the hot air in the pen rises? Just worried about hot weather wi global warming:lol:
regards Alistair

[Slippery Teal]

I have know doubt it will be the bees dangly bits when its done jeff i know how much time and commitment you put in, can't wait to see the finished article

Ryan

[Hobby]

Jeff,
I think one of the most important aspects to consider for any building is orientation,particularly with regard to capturing the morning sun.

[Hobby]

Concrete floors with trapped gully and drainage under so it can be jet washed and the water drained away.

[Hobby]

Tiled hospital compartment with no window for injured /sick bird.

[Falcons7]

Yes mate ,was easy enough ,I do my egg charts on excel so Im used with it




Good stuff.

Have you drawn that in microsoft excel? If you have thats definately dedication.

I'm drawing some for a mate on autocad when he gets me the bloody dimensions!


ATB, chris

[Falcons7]

Thats a good question Alistair, there will be open bars both ends of the imprint chambers ,the chambers on the north side are open toped and hope there will be enough vent through south facing bars ,out across the corridor and out through the open top of the north chambers ,also if it is very hot the doors at both ends of the corridor can be opened .The east,west and south walls be built with conc block ,renderd and painted white to match the house ,art stone corners etc.
cheers jeff


Hi Jeff,

Some time this year I've got to replace my pens. Just wondering what you propose for ventilation ie. through draft. You know how hot even open top pens can get. I thought something like a blanked off gap all round at ground level, to allow cool air to come in as the hot air in the pen rises? Just worried about hot weather wi global warming:lol:
regards Alistair

[Falcons7]

Cheers Ryan ,Ill get a start when I get a house sold ,better start the house as well to keep this lot happy haha


I have know doubt it will be the bees dangly bits when its done jeff i know how much time and commitment you put in, can't wait to see the finished article

Ryan

[Falcons7]

It runs east west mate ,it the summer that is more of a worry to be honest as it will have the sun all day
jeff


Jeff,
I think one of the most important aspects to consider for any building is orientation,particularly with regard to capturing the morning sun.

[Falcons7]

Am ahead of you there mate, no more humoing tones of gravel in and out.Not sure wheather to have a gully in each or have the water run out side to one gully.I intend to paint the floors with resin ,its tough and looks very nice.


Concrete floors with trapped gully and drainage under so it can be jet washed and the water drained away.

[Falcons7]

Iv got another building which is huge and intend in time to put incubator and brooder rooms in it and even a sitting room for all the boys when they come up with there birds so we can sit about feeding and having a brew without been botherd about birds shitting everywhere.
Im sure there will be somewhere that would double for the od sick peregine but its a good idea ,heater in etc.


Tiled hospital compartment with no window for injured /sick bird.

[Barbary Boy]

are you going into natural pairs as well as imprints?

[Derry Shaw]

Bloody hell Jeff am I right in saying this is going to be a 300m2 building? thats not much smaller than the plot my three bedroom semi sits on. Im jealous, what will you be using to cover the roof? also what are you going to be making the bars out of? the cost of stainless these days and galvanising mild steel is not much cheaper. :supz:

[Falcons7]

I have a pair gyrs to come that are pr's and I have a pair of pr peregrines ,the falcon is 3 next season and has been out on loan.She is in with a tiercel this year , also wanted some bigger chambers for falcons raiseing eyases ,thats whey they on the north side so they dont see that much of people.I like mine to see people but loads of folk dont so there you go ,everyone to there own.
I prefer imprints and will mainly stick with them


are you going into natural pairs as well as imprints?

[Falcons7]

Never totaled the area up but its around 12m x 36m or so ,cant remember. I already have a building that is around that size already but have other plans for that.
The roof will be a type of road reinforcing which is a type of plastic and will last a life time and cant be ripped.The hole job will be covered in it but on the south facing imprint pens I will cover with either profile sheets or tiles (open to suggestions)but if there is any wind damage over the years the mesh is still there to stop escapees.
Ill make the bars ,1m x 1m out of mild steel dip coated which is £15 per m2 or galv which is ,I think £75 per tone.
cheers


Bloody hell Jeff am I right in saying this is going to be a 300m2 building? thats not much smaller than the plot my three bedroom semi sits on. Im jealous, what will you be using to cover the roof? also what are you going to be making the bars out of? the cost of stainless these days and galvanising mild steel is not much cheaper. :supz:

[Hobby]

What about an automatic water supply to all the baths via pre installed concealed pipework.

[Falcons7]

Umm ,I dont give falcons baths during the breeding season and as there mostly imprints its better just to go in and fill there baths as they need cleaned aswell ,where the pairs are going that is a bit differant but still need cleaned but I know where your coming from .


What about an automatic water supply to all the baths via pre installed concealed pipework.

[Hobby]

Umm ,I dont give falcons baths during the breeding season and as there mostly imprints its better just to go in and fill there baths as they need cleaned aswell ,where the pairs are going that is a bit differant but still need cleaned but I know where your coming from .Would'nt the regular flow of water into the baths keep them clean

[Falcons7]

You have a point thats worth looking at ,as I say ,the imprints I prefer to go in with but somethin will need to be done for the PR's ,shud be easy enough to do


Would'nt the regular flow of water into the baths keep them clean

[B C]

It looks and sounds as if its going to be superb when its finished Jeff
Can I move in????

Bernie

[Falcons7]

Nee botha but the menu is a bit **** and the baths are cold(what am I saying ,your south tyneside,you dust bath ,water isnt safe hahah)
My chambers are old and and not exactly smart but when I built them years ago they looked fine but add ons etc takes the shine off.The new ones will be done in a way that if I do add to them it wont be noticable.There is almost 5acres to play with and the price for building them isnt what poeple might think plus I only want to do them once so do it right a recon.
jeff


It looks and sounds as if its going to be superb when its finished Jeff
Can I move in????

Bernie

[Chicquera]

Jeff, the biggest mistake I made was not making my corridors wider, for an extra metre of roofing you create some very useful floor space, you can even put your freezers in the corridor if it's wide enough and keep your room free for other things. I would go for 3mtrs wide.

[Falcons7]

Good point ,thats the sort of stuff I want to sort out ,another metre is little in the grand sceam of things and Id go for that, leaves more room for the kettle haha



Jeff, the biggest mistake I made was not making my corridors wider, for an extra metre of roofing you create some very useful floor space, you can even put your freezers in the corridor if it's wide enough and keep your room free for other things. I would go for 3mtrs wide.

[Altai]

Am ahead of you there mate, no more humoing tones of gravel in and out.Not sure wheather to have a gully in each or have the water run out side to one gully.I intend to paint the floors with resin ,its tough and looks very nice.

Are you going to have low astroturf perches to stop the birds from damaging their feet if dropping from a height onto a solid floor?

Do you have any brand names/contacts for the floor resin, that you would share? I have an imprint block with a solid floor and have tried pea gravel, deep litter shavings and shallow covering of shavings. They all have things for and against. I made the floor slightly domed, (The whole plinth is on block/brickwork 18 inches above surounding ground level), to drain any water to the edges where it escapes under the edges of the box profile steel sheeting. The timber cross beams that the sheeting is fixed to are about 8 inches off the floor to keep them dry and clean.

[Falcons7]

Go to ebay and just punch in Floor Paint and you will see what you want.
Nest ledges wont be any heigher than I have now and never had any problem with feet,I watch them as I delibratly through food on the floor so they have to fly up and down to feed ,gives them a bit more exercise and dont think they land very heavy on there feet to be fair .Whats your thoughts?


Are you going to have low astroturf perches to stop the birds from damaging their feet if dropping from a height onto a solid floor?

Do you have any brand names/contacts for the floor resin, that you would share? I have an imprint block with a solid floor and have tried pea gravel, deep litter shavings and shallow covering of shavings. They all have things for and against. I made the floor slightly domed, (The whole plinth is on block/brickwork 18 inches above surounding ground level), to drain any water to the edges where it escapes under the edges of the box profile steel sheeting. The timber cross beams that the sheeting is fixed to are about 8 inches off the floor to keep them dry and clean.

[Falcons7]

I probabley wont use astro turf ,I have a contact for the stuff swimming pools are covered with ,have used it for years ,its waterproof so doesnt hold germs ,easy to clean and never had a case of bumblefoot with it. Astro is good but ***** up somethin horrable in some cases and have even seen maggots in it.

[Alf]

Jeff there is product we use in the roofing game called liquid plastics comes in drums and you paint it on totally waterproof 25 years guarantee its not cheap mate but for your floors it would do the job.
Again roofing sheet depending on your cash Kingspan thermal insulated roofing sheet not much get through them heat or cold.
Alf.

[Falcons7]

Tell me a bit about the kingspan sheets,lenghs,price roughly .I think I know the plastics stuff,had a balcony done a bit back ,fibre glass mating was involved ,is that the stuff Alf.Details young man ,details, am a brickie not a woofta ,er roofa .




Jeff there is product we use in the roofing game called liquid plastics comes in drums and you paint it on totally waterproof 25 years guarantee its not cheap mate but for your floors it would do the job.
Again roofing sheet depending on you cash Kingspan thermal insulated roofing sheet not much get through them heat or cold.
Alf.

[Chicquera]

I probabley wont use astro turf ,I have a contact for the stuff swimming pools are covered with ,have used it for years ,its waterproof so doesnt hold germs ,easy to clean and never had a case of bumblefoot with it. Astro is good but ***** up somethin horrable in some cases and have even seen maggots in it.

Have you thought about using that "stuff" on the floors, if you can get it at the right money. I use it on my quarantine floor and it works well, they also use it on the floors in the big indoor hack chambers at Nad Al Sheba in Dubai.

[Alf]

Jeff there are a few on the market mate I did a job for a company and your right it was fibre class matting only this stuff real does the job.
A lot of companies are using this system as an overlay on existing felt decks.
I haven’t a clue what it cost per meter there are four stages to appliance a base coat then the matting another base coat and a finally the third which is different again.
A quick search on Google might give you an idea of cost.
Kingspan is mental mate but there are a few times you find sheets up for sale if some companies estimator has measured all the spans wrong as once happened on a job once the whole lot had to be binned.
Seriously though unless you have fortunes its not an option do you have fortunes I don’t know about?.:yawinkle:
Jeff it’s the same crack with sheeting you only get what you pay for different gages thickness of sheet plastic coated or painted they come in all shapes profiles and sizes.
It’s all down to money at the end of the day mate. Alf.


Tell me a bit about the kingspan sheets,lenghs,price roughly .I think I know the plastics stuff,had a balcony done a bit back ,fibre glass mating was involved ,is that the stuff Alf.Details young man ,details, am a brickie not a woofta ,er roofa .

[Falcons7]

I never thought about that ,you could seal the floor with silicon first.I get the pool cover for free .Often the ones that get replaced have nothing wrong with then ,might just be the joins coming apart .The stuff I put on perches is offcuts and brand new.
Might be a good idea!!


Have you thought about using that "stuff" on the floors, if you can get it at the right money. I use it on my quarantine floor and it works well, they also use it on the floors in the big indoor hack chambers at Nad Al Sheba in Dubai.

[Falcons7]

I want it right Alf ,I like the idea of the insulation although I can get me hands on rolls of the silver bubble wrap insulation which could be stapled on before sheets are put on .It all has to be smart Alf .

[Chicquera]

I want it right Alf ,I like the idea of the insulation although I can get me hands on rolls of the silver bubble wrap insulation which could be stapled on before sheets are put on .It all has to be smart Alf .

I wouldn't think you'd need to spend all that on insulated roofing sheets, if you really wanted to insulate the roof you could use 50mm polystyrene sheets between the joists then line the roof with 9mm sheathing ply.
Whatever you do re materail the one thing I'd advise is to have a ventilated ridge and just block the gaps between the joists, where they sit on top of the wallplate, with weldmesh to let the warm air escape !
If the walls are concrete block and you have decent size windows you shouldn't have any major problem with chambers getting too hot !

[Alf]

Jeff kingspan is basically two sheet one outer layer one inner layer with insulation in between it comes in various thicknesses on how much insulation it has in between the two sheets the thicker the insulation the more expensive it becomes.
The best and cheapest method if you want to insulate your roof is to first sheet it and then put a false ceiling in fixed to the underside of the perlins/ joist some form of ply or plastic ship lap in between this place rock wool into the cavity or similar this will give a decent barrier against the cold or heat.
We all know how hot sheeting can get come summer. Alf.

[Falcons7]

The rolls of bubble insulation is easy and quick to use and I can get it cheep. It is ment to be better than rockwool and is being used as cavity insulation by Barrets etc.I can also get 2 1/2 ft x 7ft sheets of upvc what doors are made from for pennies and would prefer to use it ,the less wood the better .

[Alf]

Jeff this is new one on me.
When you get started on your mews and if you need help sheeting or whatever I will come up and give you a hand. I will keep my ears open
For anything suitable in the meantime Ie sheeting roofing materiel going cheap. Alf.



The rolls of bubble insulation is easy and quick to use and I can get it cheep. It is ment to be better than rockwool and is being used as cavity insulation by Barrets etc.I can also get 2 1/2 ft x 7ft sheets of upvc what doors are made from for pennies and would prefer to use it ,the less wood the better .

[Falcons7]

Cheers mate ,that would be handy


Jeff this is new one on me.
When you get started on your mews and if you need help sheeting or whatever I will come up and give you a hand. I will keep my ears open
For anything suitable in the meantime Ie sheeting roofing materiel going cheap. Alf.