Gyr x Prairies

[VerticalStoop]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone clear up this one for me?

Are Gyr x Prairie Females fertile? What I mean is, are all of them likely to breed or just the odd one. From what I understand Peregrine x Saker females are like this. You can get one the will breed well but most of the others are infertile.

I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying male Gyr x Prairies can do the job, I remember Terry at Kentish used to produce some belter Gyr x Prairie x Sakers.

Also, is anyone breeding them this year?

Look forward to your thoughts.

Regards VS

[Rapt0r]

As far as i'm aware a lot of females are fertile.
Mark Collins (on here) is your man....i think he's breeding 3/4 prairie x gyrs.
I'm sure if you look back on past threads you will see last years young.

Alex

[Kentish Falconry]

It is possible that a Female Gyr x Prairie could produce fertile eggs but the chances are very slim. They tend to be like Gyr x Peregrines and we only know of rumors that one has bred and reared chicks.
I am not sure how Mark is producing 3/4 but the chances are that the Hybrid is the Male.
Best of luck though and I hope you are lucky.

We stopped breeding the Gyr/Prairie x Sakers about 4 years ago as the temperament was not good with them and they all tended to have the Prairie mood swings and became difficult to sell. They are now in Doha Qatar as one of the Sheikh's liked hunting them and it was the Falconers that got bitten or footed not him so painless Falconry :lol: So I gave them to him as a gift. To date I don't believe he has managed to raise one chick so that was a waste of time.
Terry

[Rapt0r]

My mistake about females...Terry is right.
I was thinking gyr / lanners (much better chance)

[VerticalStoop]

Thanks guys,

Thats certainly cleared up what I needed to know.

Can anyone recommend someone producing Gyr x Prairies this year? I've spoken to Mark Collins, and he's not doing the this season.

Your thoughts would be very much appreciated.

Thanks again:), VS

[Hatchero]

i would certainly think hard about whether or not you really want one. i had an imprint female and flew her for one season and considered her an extremely difficult bird with a sort of strong schizophrenic tendency. i handled quite a number of them(some of the first ones made in the US) that were destined for the Gulf. they were incredibly resistant to any sort of manning and some i thought to be untrainable. the people in the gulf that received the birds apparently concurred with my assessment since they did not want any more of them and that is saying something coming from people that usually fly passage sakers. there were quite a few Gyr/prairies around ten years ago but i think most folks tried one and never again so the breeding of them has mostly died out. all that being said, some people had some good ones but that was more the exception than the rule. as for breeding i can think of no one that was able to get F1 females to produce though the males are fertile as you would expect.

[OutHawkn]

Well I cant speak a lot about it, but the prairie/gyr in my avatar is a sweet bird. A tiercel and I'll be making a few 3/4 prairieX 1/4 gyr out of him. So i guess will see................

[Mark Collins]

The tiercel i bred last year was a gyr/prairie/prairie, he was reared with a batch of pere/sakers, by a lanner falcon in an open chamber and was as steady as they come , he sat bareheaded on the lawn the 2nd day after pulling him from the pen, fed on the fist about the 3rd day , and was put onto a shelfperch almost immediatlly,i could pick him up from his block outside within days and would rarely bate, you had to see it to believe it, smart little bird, father was a white gyr/prairie, mother is a straight prairie , a local guy flys him , however generally there isnt a lot of interest in this type of hybred , mark.

[Mark Collins]

one more.

[SparkleBee]

Lovely pictures as always Mark, i just love those big prairie falcon eyes on that hybrid.

[David Rampling]

Might not count , but I have a prairie x gyr/ pere that is a dream to handle and a stunner to look at. Flies bloody well too!

[VerticalStoop]

Might not count , but I have a prairie x gyr/ pere that is a dream to handle and a stunner to look at. Flies bloody well too!

Hi David,

That's exactly what I'm looking to produce. Have you got any pics, further info and who bred it.

Regards, VS

[StoopDoggyDogg]

I might breed a couple of Gyr x prairies, i have a prairie taking peregrine semen at the moment, if i get some fertile eggs out for friends who have ordered pere x prairies i might stick a bit of Gyr semen into it ?? out of this fella:


http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj218/tominator229/earl2.jpg





Hi Guys,

Could anyone clear up this one for me?

Are Gyr x Prairie Females fertile? What I mean is, are all of them likely to breed or just the odd one. From what I understand Peregrine x Saker females are like this. You can get one the will breed well but most of the others are infertile.

I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying male Gyr x Prairies can do the job, I remember Terry at Kentish used to produce some belter Gyr x Prairie x Sakers.

Also, is anyone breeding them this year?

Look forward to your thoughts.

Regards VS

[Hawkmaster]

Here is my male Gyr/Prairie after a season of hardd flying and is rather dirty as apposed to his normal, white:D

[PereBarbary]

i have a gyr/prairie female ive flown for 8years, the last 2years on landfill sites, she is quite temperamental but makes up for it by being able to fly in 50mph winds 3hours a day 5days a week. she has taken gulls crows pheasants duck .if you can handle the temperament they are worth a try she flies2lb 5 to 2lb 8 oz

[Hawkmaster]

Mine flies at 1lb 10 and is OK to handle but has his moments. I would say 60% of the time he striaght lines it regardless of weight, BUT when he is good he is great!

[Mark Collins]

Might not count , but I have a prairie x gyr/ pere that is a dream to handle and a stunner to look at. Flies bloody well too!

Hi David , isnt that a gyr.peregrine into prairie, cant see it working the other way around , any pictures,cheers,mark.

[Bullet_Jesses]

Got "Bullet" (had to be) in 2006. My other bird is a tiercel Peregrine (Braveheart) who caught an immature Redtail this year (another story)
I have flown Bullet on pheasant(when available) He is a really hard hitting bird. He does have his moments though (temper tantrums). He will hang upside down sometimes when you try and hood him. I've actually had to train him to put his head inside the hood as I blow the whistle. My son Geralds laughs when he sees him doing it. All in all though, he is a great bird (26.5oz) and good looking!
I might try him on crows this year as there are plenty around here. He will go as soon as the hood is off. Any tips ?

Jim.C

[Jack]

I have a male Gyr/prairie. He is silver on the back and almost white on the underside with some streaking on the sides or flanks. He flys best at 650 grams, or right at 23 ounces. That would be 1 pound 7 to you guys. The horror stories about these birds are pretty convincing most times, but I feel that they are exagerated in most cases. I have seen peregrines act as bad. The Gyr/Prairie is weight sensitive, and you simply can not fly them fat like so many do. The tendency here is to fly imprints fat. It does nothing to aid the falcon's flight, it reduces the tendency toward hunting, and it is just additional weight for a bird to carry about. It also makes them prone to fits of rage and tantrum. If the weight is carefully controlled, the temperment of the bird can be controlled as well. I learned this the hard way. And now that I have figured that one out, My little tiercel is a real sweatheart, and I never have to worry about him just taking off on me.

Jack

[SharpTail]

I would also like to know more about the Gyr/Peregrine tribred.