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Hi!
In my country we have very very poor situation with the hares in the wilderness. I could say that the species is almost at the brink of extinction. To me, it's a paradox, knowing the fact that hare was once the most common game, throughout Europe.
Due to the modern agriculture, and usage of herbicides(and several other reasons), the population is almost gone...so i was wondering, how come that in the UK the situation is much better?Or in the rest of the Europe...All of this countries have agricultures..but somehow their methods don't bother hare populations. Maybe i am wrong, and many other european countries share the same problem?
Opinions?
Chris S
09-02-2005, 06:33 PM
where i fly up on the ridgeway all hills there are more hares than rabbits in some parts,no cover just big open space dont know about the rest of the uk? :)
Shaun Byrne
09-02-2005, 06:44 PM
We have loads of hares in Lincolnshire and our county is very agriculture based. I think its the wide open spaces that suit them.
Goran
09-02-2005, 06:57 PM
You have to look better to find them.Ha,ha.I know places in your (and my) country where is enough hares.Dakovo, where testing terriers in the field for voice and tracking rabbits produced many in just a few hours.
Shaun Byrne
09-02-2005, 07:41 PM
Mojo, maybe all the land mines and trouble you had out there has something to do with it??
Hawkmaster
09-02-2005, 08:43 PM
None here in Devon, the South West of England really to speak about.
Mojo, maybe all the land mines and trouble you had out there has something to do with it??
no, the land mines actually work in their favor. big spaces are unapproachable, so there should be plenta of them.
i am trying to understand what do you do diferen than we do...esspecially when you say that, for example Lincolnshire, is very agriculture based. i guess you have many non-cultivated areas...here, we have either forests or cultivated land, so practically the only habitat left are those land mines. luckily, hares and other wild animals are not heavy enough to trigger land mine...on the other hand, i presume that you have hares even on the crops-and my question is-where is the difference-in your way? :?:
Varmint
10-02-2005, 07:15 AM
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Shaun Byrne
10-02-2005, 07:29 AM
You've got me stumped Mojo. It is difficult to find any land in my county, especially around me, that is not farmed. This is the very land that holds all the Hares, Kale, Rape (when its low), stubble and pasture all hold good quantities of Hare. I would find it difficult to go out and not see double figures. maybe its the type of crops grown or different chemicals used???
to Varmint: yes, hunters...we don't have that much Italian shooting parties, as much as we have our own..but Italians are devastating game birds in Croatia...because of the poor standard in Croatia, people smuggle protected species over the border( Italy is very close to Croatia, we share the border on the sea) for Italian restaurants...i see that they are "famous" all over the world... :roll:
to H4wka-we grow mostly corn, rye...but the technology is probably alot different. hares eat weed that grows in the crops, and here weed is destroyed by herbicides...earlier, the weed was being destroyed manualy, by scythes..and that is the core of the problem.
Kornie
10-02-2005, 09:10 PM
no, the land mines actually work in their favor. big spaces are unapproachable, so there should be plenta of them.
unless of course the land mines blow them all up? I love hare, so different to rabbits, anyone seen the beutiful eyes of hares? Tons by me, keeps the dogs entertained
nop. like i said, a hare is not heavy enough to trigger a land mine
Moritz
11-02-2005, 09:26 AM
In Germany the hare is more commen then rabbits, they are still on the red list, but there numbers are far higher. Her in germany the Hunters do a lot managment for game. We have got a lot programs going on to improf the habitat of hares and other game. For example: The Farmers leaf 2 meters at the edge of there fields untreatet, so that weed and all the other plants can grow. this is importent in two ways.
1. Food for the animals
2. A place to hide
It is very importent for young hares that they can hide some where. Most of the first "clutch" of young hares (95%) get killed by crows etc., because of the missing cover.
We also plant extra plants that are especialy liked by hares.
We made some time ago a hare count in our 800ha estate. We found well over 90 hares. Most of them on horse and cattle fields.
It is also importent to cut the Fox and crow numbers down.
Use the landmine fields. Grow hadges aroung them. that has got two good reasons. It keeps the hares from getting disturped and it keeps the people from getting killed.
Do you have hunting seasons for hare? It is very importent not to disturp their breeding.
Before a crop field gets cut down go search with youre dog for young game and deer. Carry them out, but do not touch them directly!!! use some long grase to cary them, there for your smell will not go on them and their mothers will recognise them.
You sad that the numbers used to be very large. Find out what has changed in your countryside since then and try to componsade its effects. You need to know a lot about the biology of an animal to make good conservation. Try to find out what other people do in your country to help the hare and use their methods. contact the national hunting organisation if you have one and ask for their advice. If they do not know what to do or do not care, change it and tell them why they should care. Hunting is not only about pulling the trigger. 95% conservation 2% drinking alcohol and 3% shooting.
Tell me what you think and found out
Moritz
In Germany the hare is more commen then rabbits, they are still on the red list, but there numbers are far higher. Her in germany the Hunters do a lot managment for game.
well, you have nice tradition and culture...after tha war, people have gone "wild"..we still don't have established state of law...it's pretty chaotic in some places
We have got a lot programs going on to improf the habitat of hares and other game. For example: The Farmers leaf 2 meters at the edge of there fields untreatet, so that weed and all the other plants can grow. this is importent in two ways.
1. Food for the animals
2. A place to hide
It is very importent for young hares that they can hide some where. Most of the first "clutch" of young hares (95%) get killed by crows etc., because of the missing cover.
We also plant extra plants that are especialy liked by hares.
We made some time ago a hare count in our 800ha estate. We found well over 90 hares. Most of them on horse and cattle fields.
It is also importent to cut the Fox and crow numbers down.
Use the landmine fields. Grow hadges aroung them. that has got two good reasons. It keeps the hares from getting disturped and it keeps the people from getting killed.
Do you have hunting seasons for hare? It is very importent not to disturp their breeding.
Before a crop field gets cut down go search with youre dog for young game and deer. Carry them out, but do not touch them directly!!! use some long grase to cary them, there for your smell will not go on them and their mothers will recognise them.
My goodness, i am mightily impressed, especially considering your age. now this is something i was looking for, straight answer.;)
You sad that the numbers used to be very large. Find out what has changed in your countryside since then and try to componsade its effects. You need to know a lot about the biology of an animal to make good conservation. Try to find out what other people do in your country to help the hare and use their methods. contact the national hunting organisation if you have one and ask for their advice. If they do not know what to do or do not care, change it and tell them why they should care. Hunting is not only about pulling the trigger. 95% conservation 2% drinking alcohol and 3% shooting.
Tell me what you think and found out
Moritz
I was primarily concerned about differences between my country and the others. Unfortunately, the ratio is a bit different here, much more shooting, and much more drinking...but the situation is getting better, hunters really work on improving the situation with hares. so, in some places, hunting on hares is allowed, but very limited.
Thanks :wink:
Wightwings
12-02-2005, 04:47 PM
used to have more hares than you could count were we used to live.
none at all around here tho :cry:
Gos212
12-02-2005, 08:14 PM
Ive seen 3 Brown Hares in the last 3 years in the open fileds near me. As Varmint mentioned we've had the Italian shooters here as well !
They wiped out the lot about 10 years ago and the've never recovered. When the Hares were finished out came the ferrets and then rabbits were done, then after that anything was fair game. Even heard they were lamping ducks. Before they came along 30-40 hares in the bigger fields was not uncommon.
Can't really blame them though, every shooting party has a local Agent thats providing them with quarry. Just a pity they don't screw the nut though.
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