Harris wanted

[Lloyd-Holmes]

Hello, has anybody in the Leicestershire area got a young female harris hawk for sale ? THANKYOU

[Eyass1]

nice intro:supz:

[David Rampling]

LLoyd, read your profile, thats a lot of experience and a lot of birds for a 15 year old. Do you still have them all?

[The Two Scrim's]

Woah how did you fit all that in 8 years, we struggled with two harris's and a spar. Cain

[Jimmy]

Hmmm..... a 15 year old that's had/flown 13 birds....
Dare I ask where all of them are now?

[John M]

...Nahh.. he must have entered his age incorrectly!!!!

Anyway - welcome dude!

;)

[Adam R]

Instead of opening your first post with a WANTED post, why dont you tell us a little about yourself?
Welcome all the same...

atb

Adam

[The Two Scrim's]

...Nahh.. he must have entered his age incorrectly!!!!

Anyway - welcome dude!

;)

He had to lol

[MusketMad]

yeah i mean he has a job :D

[Lloyd-Holmes]

i am 15 :) most of the birds in the list have gone to breeding programs or have been sold on to friends. At the moment I fly a male harris hawk and im looking for a female to breed and fly him with. The site's good and its nice to have replies from people so quickly, cheers.

[David Rampling]

Hi there, many of us on this site started young, so you are in good company. So many birds, for so young a soul can only mean you had these birds for a very short while, and for many of us consistancy is the key, sticking with one bird through thick and thin. fieldsports are obviously your thing, which is good, but perhaps you could tell us a little about yourself, and how you have come to have so many birds pass through your hands at such a young age?

[Lloyd-Holmes]

hi, the reason i have had so many birds is because it has taken me untill now to find the right bird. I know selling the birds on hasn't done them any favours but I felt it was kinder to sell them to someone who will actually give them what they deserve. At the moment I have a male harris hawk and a barn owl , i fly my harris everyday at a wide range of quarry. I have had the barn owl since he was 3 weeks old he is know 6 years old, is there anything else you would like know about me?, cheers again

Lloyd.

[David Rampling]

hi, the reason i have had so many birds is because it has taken me untill now to find the right bird. I know selling the birds on hasn't done them any favours but I felt it was kinder to sell them to someone who will actually give them what they deserve. At the moment I have a male harris hawk and a barn owl , i fly my harris everyday at a wide range of quarry. I have had the barn owl since he was 3 weeks old he is know 6 years old, is there anything else you would like know about me?, cheers again

Lloyd.

No, thats fair enough.

[Dave G]

Lloyd they say a hawk only gets better with age ;) so dont you think by having them and getting rid you are realy seeing the best of the hawk you pass on ??? stick with your birds for a few years and give them a chance before selling them ;) /dave

[Kennelre]

hi, the reason i have had so many birds is because it has taken me untill now to find the right bird. I know selling the birds on hasn't done them any favours but I felt it was kinder to sell them to someone who will actually give them what they deserve. At the moment I have a male harris hawk and a barn owl , i fly my harris everyday at a wide range of quarry. I have had the barn owl since he was 3 weeks old he is know 6 years old, is there anything else you would like know about me?, cheers again

Lloyd.


I'm interested in what you're saying here. What do you mean by the 'right bird' and how will you know when you find it....what did you feel was wrong with the others that you sold on?


...Rene.

[HunterPaul]

ok ... much admiration for so many birds at so young an age... what was it that let you down in the other birds, and is this harris living up to your high expectations... after three others, is this a let down or a god send? and do you blame the birds for not being able to hold on to your attention or would it be you? not being rude, just asking a few questions, before getting into a conversation with you, may have somebody who can help you with a hawk, but you obviously understand, I need to know more about you before trusting any hawk into yours or anybody elses care.. HP

[Lloyd-Holmes]

when i was 10 my first harris died of a fit id had him since he was a chick and he was a brilliant bird after he died i bout a few other birds which were aged between 3-10 all of which had picked up bad habbits , then i got a male red tail i was told the bird was 3 years old after having the bird for a few months i found out it was actually 19 because of the birds age and habbits it totally refused to fly even with its weight right down, i know they can be stubborn but this just stupid. A friend then told me about a 6 month old male harris that was for sale for 100 pounds , so i bought him and he is now 2 years old and i couldnt ask for a better bird

thanks lloyd:).

[HunterPaul]

Lloyd, you seem to come across as a really intelligent kid, and forgive me for being suspiscious of the birds you have had, and I really mean it, it is quite unusual to find somebody in your age group, and in fact a lot older, who have owned so many birds as you... I really mean it when I say, you come across as three times as clever as sopme on here I could mention, both grammatically and as far as birds are concerned... but without knowing you personally, I could not recommend you to my breeding guy... I wish I could, and I tink our future is built on such as yourself... but I also feel that you should stick with a bird for longer than a season or so, before branching out and breeding from them... if I did it would make me no more better than the breeders I sit here and slag off every year for selling birds to anybody... sorry... but hope to hear more from you in the future... Paul

[Jackson]

when i was 10 my first harris died of a fit id had him since he was a chick and he was a brilliant bird after he died i bout a few other birds which were aged between 3-10 all of which had picked up bad habbits , then i got a male red tail i was told the bird was 3 years old after having the bird for a few months i found out it was actually 19 because of the birds age and habbits it totally refused to fly even with its weight right down, i know they can be stubborn but this just stupid. A friend then told me about a 6 month old male harris that was for sale for 100 pounds , so i bought him and he is now 2 years old and i couldnt ask for a better bird

thanks lloyd:).

hmmm interesting experiences - not all good by the sounds of it.
so how did you get into falconry? did you go on any courses or anything before hand? i only ask because it surprises me that you could have such bad luck? why after your first hh did you decide to buy second hand birds. dont get me wrong i think in the right hands thats a great idea but why a second hand bird as your first bar the unfortunate hh you had? how long had you had him btw? not trying to sound rude just trying to get an idea of why you have had such bad luck and why someone should sell you a good bird and more to the point why you would want another?
do you plan to make a career in falconry? are you at school? if so do you have any ambitions for the future? why do you want another bird as you have two all ready? im just tryign to uderstand where you are at?
some kidds get a bird get bored get another get bored get another etc etc - this is awful and i have expereinced many of their left overs!
oyher kids/young persons buy birds becuase they have afamily buisness in falconry, have plans for the future that in volve falconry or have a real pasion for it that will last more than 5 minutes!
i was just trying to figure out which one you fit into without sounding rude lol. it will help potential sellers if you let us know mroe about your background and what you plan to achieve with a new bird!
atb
sarah
xxx

[Lloyd-Holmes]

thanks for the comments, i got into the sport when i went round my dads friends house , who has has birds all his life and he offerd to help me start up, when i was eight i then got my first bird, the friend then gave me all the help and support i needed , then progressed on from there , you may all just think im a kid that doesnt know what im doing , however i get called to do alot of events with my birds all year round , where i fly my bird and give talks. i have done alot of displays at historical events and at schools i never charge because id rather just let people know what i like to do i dont just keep birds to use them as money makers. i am very gratefull for the intrest i have received on this site. many thanks lloyd

[TLDWB]

Lloyd, you must have very understanding parents. As people have already said, you seem to be very articulate and well educated lad. The reason people are a bit cagey with you, is this thread was your first post on hear, and was to ask to buy a hawk. When people look at your profile its seem a bit far fetched for someone of your age to have had experience with so many birds, so you will understand why all the questions.

ATB

Tom

[Austringer67]

wow i know nothing about giving displays but as a self employed person who has to go to many public events, I hope you have some public liability for these displays:o:eek:

[John Soulsby]

Amazing series of replies - Lloyd simply have a look on the IBR website.

John

[Graham Stuart]

Welcome to the forum, you have trained and flown 4 HH's in as many years, you must have kept them a very short time, arnt there too many folks flinging HH's together to breed already, why are you wanting to breed them......Graham

[Lloyd-Holmes]

i want to breed them to gain knowledge , not to just use my birds as money makers , i would also like to breed my bird because he is a cracking little bird and i think he could produce nice chicks. thanks lloyd

[Jackson]

you sound like a very foucesd young falconer who has perhaps a bit too much bad luck!
do you plant to stick woth the sport? i.e make a living from it either thorugh display work, breeding or otherwise? its rare to find a person of your age with such experience and determination as well as intelect in falconry!

on a serious note though do you have public liablility insurance and all that? just you could be breaking the law otherwise. im not where you would stand fi it was voluntary. but if you are providing a bop display and are under the age of 18 hmmm im not ill check from my mentor tomorow unless someone else can tell you before that!

look forward to seeing you on here!
sarah
xx

[Jimmy]

i want to breed them to gain knowledge

I'm curious what knowledge you're looking for? Not a lot to breeding Harris's other than tossing them food and letting them do their thing......

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[Lloyd-Holmes]

they are all voluntary and i do them on my own a help out with a professional falconer. thanks everybody for your advice and compliments but why is everyone just trying to criticize me? , i have learned from all my mistakes that any bird you train yourself is always better than one that has been trained by someone else. thanks again lloyd

[Jackson]

they are all voluntary and i do them on my own a help out with a professional falconer. thanks everybody for your advice and compliments but why is everyone just trying to criticize me? , i have learned from all my mistakes that any bird you train yourself is always better than one that has been trained by someone else. thanks again lloyd

i dont think anyones trying to critisce you mate. just trying to get an idea of who you are. there are far to many kids treating these birds like pets as i say i think you are a rare find - someone so young with such intelect and interest/experience in the birds!

did you say you do the displays on your own or with another falconer?

atb
sarah
xx

[Lloyd-Holmes]

yes, with another falconer and sometimes two other falconers, i can assure you my birds are not just treated like pets i fly them everyday and they are fed on a mixed diet. thanks

[HunterPaul]

they are all voluntary and i do them on my own a help out with a professional falconer. thanks everybody for your advice and compliments but why is everyone just trying to criticize me? , i have learned from all my mistakes that any bird you train yourself is always better than one that has been trained by someone else. thanks again lloyd
lloyd, the one bad post you have made so far.... you are clever and I suspect clever enough not to have read any of these posts as crititical of you or your abilities.... so I cannot understand why you would feel this way... and critique to the right person can be a great learning tool.... Paul

[MickeyDredd]

May I suggest you ask this professional falconer or other falconers you mention to source you a hawk - if they feel that is recommendable.

They know you personally whereas nobody on here appears to know you so based on what the forum members have seen and read from you there is an obvious resistance to helping you in your quest.

Being an "intelligent kid" I'm sure you will understand what I'm saying.

[HunterPaul]

May I suggest you ask this professional falconer or other falconers you mention to source you a hawk - if they feel that is recommendable.

They know you personally whereas nobody on here appears to know you so based on what the forum members have seen and read from you there is an obvious resistance to helping you in your quest.

Being an "intelligent kid" I'm sure you will understand what I'm saying.
:supz:

[Lloyd-Holmes]

hello, what do you mean by "there is an obvious resistance to helping you in your quest." ? thanks

[MickeyDredd]

hello, what do you mean by "there is an obvious resistance to helping you in your quest." ? thanks

Hi

Has anyone sold you a HH from this site yet?

HTH
MD

[Sean D]

Hi

Has anyone sold you a HH from this site yet?

HTH
MD

No !!! ask yourself why

[Lloyd-Holmes]

i havnt done anything wrong

[Jimmy]

You haven't done anything wrong at all. It's just most are looking at how many birds you've gone through at such a young age. Don't take it personally. You have to have thick skin to play on the internet.......

[Talon]

considering hes only 15,hes gone through more birds than peter stringfellow
pmsl :lol:

[HunterPaul]

the thing is, most on here complain about breeders just selling there birds to anyone with the reddies... it would be hypocritical for the same people then not to question you and your motives... if you do end up breeding a bird that god knows we need no more of at this time... then hopefully you will have the same where withall to do the same thing and dig deep into the profile of the person wanting the bird... but as I just said, the last thing the falconry world needs is another hh breeder, for the sake of the birds if not the sport...HP

[Dave G]

somethings not quite right here and i carnt put my finger on it ?? as i have an 8 yr old and no way could he fly and hunt my male harris and hes got to be one of the most placid hh ive seen ?? and for Lloyd to have started and flown hh and many other hawks at the age of 8 upwards just sets alarm bells ringing for me so Lloyd why not post up some pics of the birds you have flown and yourself and your set up /dave

[Sean D]

omethings not quite right hear and i carnt put my finger on it ?? as i have an 8 yr old and no way could he fly and hunt my male harris and hes got to be one of the most placid hh ive seen ?? and for Lloyd to have started and flown hh and many other hawks at the age of 8 upwards just sets alarm bells ringing for me so Lloyd why not post up some pics of the birds you have flown and yourself and your set up /dave

My thoughts exactly Dave

[Lloyd-Holmes]

i didnt my first harris untill i was 10 and he was stupidly steady , i would put some pics up but as this is a new computer is hasnt got the softwear on it yet to send pics from my phone to the computer sorry.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

<sigh> and people wonder why the mods hated the advert part of the forum?!

Lloyd would you mind if I moved this thread to the "new to the forum" section? You can then post a separate wanted ad rather than have this thread cluttered up.

FHF

[David Rampling]

Try to think of it like this, what ties us all together on this forun is our concern for the birds, my bird, your bird, the lowliest kestrel to the biggest eagle. A youngster like you, who has had a quantity of birds through his hands would worry the likes of me because if you found the bird unsiutable in some way, you might just sell it on without giving it a proper trial. You came on this forum with a wanted add, no introduction, you might be expected to know this, but most people introduce themselves first. So we would be reluctant to sell you a bird untill you have proved yourself. Let us see your set up, prove you can stick with a bird for a few years, tell us your stories, join in the discussions and any one of us would sell you a bird. Its not personal mate, in a year or two you will be just like us, I hope. In the meantime, welcome to the forum, there is lots to learn here, even for old hands.

[Lloyd-Holmes]

thanks for the advice il keep it in mind

[MusketMad]

[quote=lloyd-holmes;791477]lloyd ....whats the name of the falconer you do the displays with ???i know a guy in swanington ....pete nicholls ..you or your falconer friend must know him as he breeds goshawks ...he lives on the ashby road...

[Jackson]

Try to think of it like this, what ties us all together on this forun is our concern for the birds, my bird, your bird, the lowliest kestrel to the biggest eagle. A youngster like you, who has had a quantity of birds through his hands would worry the likes of me because if you found the bird unsiutable in some way, you might just sell it on without giving it a proper trial. You came on this forum with a wanted add, no introduction, you might be expected to know this, but most people introduce themselves first. So we would be reluctant to sell you a bird untill you have proved yourself. Let us see your set up, prove you can stick with a bird for a few years, tell us your stories, join in the discussions and any one of us would sell you a bird. Its not personal mate, in a year or two you will be just like us, I hope. In the meantime, welcome to the forum, there is lots to learn here, even for old hands.

very good advice!

at the end of the day everyone is lookng out for the welfare of the birds,
a young person who has gone through so many birds and is now wanting another without any introduction or partticipation on the forum will set alaram bells ringing!

just take it easy and prove to people that you are genuine - this isnt a personal matter this is cyber space any one can be anyone and say anything!
do as david said and im sure youll find people alot more obliging!

atb
sarah
xx

p.s. do you ever do these displays on your own (or do the professional falconers have) public liablility insurance becuase if not you could very easily get sued! didnt know if you were aware of this hence why i ask!
xx

[Lloyd-Holmes]

i dont do them on my own and yes they do have public liablility insurance .

thanks for all the advice

[Lloyd-Holmes]

[quote=lloyd-holmes;791477]lloyd ....whats the name of the falconer you do the displays with ???i know a guy in swanington ....pete nicholls ..you or your falconer friend must know him as he breeds goshawks ...he lives on the ashby road...


no sorry i dont know him, i only know of one falconer that lives in swannington and he breeds harris's for the british falconry club

[OutFlying]

[quote=Musketmad;791487]


no sorry i dont know him, i only know of one falconer that lives in swannington and he breeds harris's for the british falconry club

The BFC doesn't have a breeding programme anymore and hasn't had for a few years.

Jim.

[Lloyd-Holmes]

thanks everybody , i know have a female and she is fine

[David Rampling]

thanks everybody , i know have a female and she is fine

Well, good luck with it, what is she like? big, small, good temperament? flown with other birds before? Tell us about her.

[Lloyd-Holmes]

good temperment , 1 lb 14 oz flying weight not flown with other birds 9 months old