Bad Boy Hood

[Chase0109]

I have just returned from eagle trapping and in the process got to test 2 of Ken's Maynes Bad Boy Hoods on some eagles. I used a size 31 and 32 and they fit great on every eagle we put them on. 2 Eagles got to wear them for extended periods and I was able to observe fit and habits of the eagles. My bird trapped at 8lbs 12.5oz wore a 32 Bad Boy from coming out of the trap until I unhooded him 6 days later. He settled into it very quickly as it fit great. Very little scratching and soon had a foot tucked. I really like the wide eye area and the larger beak opening allowing no touching on the soft part of the beak.

We also used the 31 on another trappers eagle. This bird was hooded for 5 days before removal and had the same reaction. Very relaxed.

I highly reccomend this style of hood for the great beak opening, extra eye room, and great neck flap that prevents and hackle pinching.

I am send Ken some pics to add to the thread. I am a little technologically handicapped when it comes to resizing pics for the forum.

Thanks,

Chase

[Finnish]

Would be nice to see some pic's of the hood and bird.

[TLDWB]

Yep, would be great to see some pictures.

Tom

[SakerJack]

Thanks Chase I have sent you e-mails to your e-mail address..
Here is the Maynes Bad Boy on a female Stellars Sea Eagle .. Steve Chindgren is training it for his bird show at the Salt Lake City Zoo, one is also on the way to the San Diego Zoo.. When I made that hood I swear a dog would wear it,, HUGE BIRD and BEAK..
The redness on the cere is NOT from the hood..

[Berkutchi]

Chase has been having computer problems, so he sent the photos to me and asked me to post them. Here they are:

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All the best,
--Lauren

[Berkutchi]

Thanks Chase I have sent you e-mails to your e-mail address..
Here is the Maynes Bad Boy on a female Stellars Sea Eagle .. Steve Chindgren is training it for his bird show at the Salt Lake City Zoo, one is also on the way to the San Diego Zoo.. When I made that hood I swear a dog would wear it,, HUGE BIRD and BEAK..
The redness on the cere is NOT from the hood..

Yikes Ken - a hood for a Steller's! That is too cool.

Well done,
--Lauren

[SakerJack]

Hey Lauren, I have talked to Chase, I think the hood is OK but a hood size 33 would fit better and sit on the face better like the Stellars hood..Very hard to fit a bird that EVEN the falconer has never seen,, you never know size until it is in your hands..the hood is pretty close and the hood did its job..Now we have the bird a very good fit is easily obtainable..
What a Horkin BIG BEAK, HUH??

[DJMWyoming]

I highly reccomend this style of hood for the great beak opening, extra eye room, and great neck flap that prevents and hackle pinching.

Thanks,

Chase

I agree. This is why I've always liked eagle hoods that don't cross or touch the gape of an eagle. I have also become a big fan of the Arab (accordion) closure styled hoods for eagles. For obvious reasons.

A fresh trapped, passage golden eagle is just too valuable to experiment with hood styles. It doesn't take an eagle very long to educate it about a hood. Good or poor fitting.

Nice hood.

Best,

Dan McCarron

[DJMWyoming]

Chase:

That looks like a ferruginous hawk your holding in a picture on here. I used to fly ferrugs a long time ago. I had a couple that caught quite a few rabbits out of soars. Mine really loved to eat up the sky.

Do you hood your ferrugs? If you do, I'd love to see a picture of a ferrug hood. They have huge mouths. It would take a pretty specialized hood to fit one.

Best,

Dan McCarron

[GuyFawkes]

I highly reccomend this style of hood for the great beak opening, extra eye room, and great neck flap that prevents and hackle pinching.

Thanks,

Chase

You know what they say boy's if you want to get ahead wear a hood here's kaiser with one of my own, this aint me by the way it's my mate jasper carrot.

[GuyFawkes]

This bird was hooded for 5 days before removal and had the same reaction. Very relaxed.

I don't have any doubts you make excellent hoods I question what are you doing keeping an Eagle hooded for five day's without taking it off , over here we would get into serious trouble doing that surely you must realise that an eagle can go without food but not without water. We have come a long way since the dark ages to coin a phrase.

[Chase0109]

Chase:

That looks like a ferruginous hawk your holding in a picture on here. I used to fly ferrugs a long time ago. I had a couple that caught quite a few rabbits out of soars. Mine really loved to eat up the sky.

Do you hood your ferrugs? If you do, I'd love to see a picture of a ferrug hood. They have huge mouths. It would take a pretty specialized hood to fit one.

Best,

Dan McCarron

Hi Dan,

I tried to hood my ferruge. I've still got her but she refuses to wear a hood. I hood trained her as an eyass. But shortly after hard penning she decided the hood was a terrible thing and flipped out when ever she saw the hood. I think it had to do with pinching the hackles. The hood was custom made. I took her to a hood makers house and had him make a custom hood with the bird in hand. I think he said he crossed a gyr and RT design to get the basis for the hood. Then made a bigger beak opening and made the hood longer. I only hood Sage about once a year to cope her beak. And I have to do it in a dark room at that.

Sage doesn't soar at all, but that is because I tought her to fly strickly off the fist. For a couple years she would only chase game from the fist if she was on anything else she wouldn't pursue game. I've loosened the reins a bit in the last 2 seasons and she will now give chase from anywhere. But last season was our last together. This fall she is going to a falconer in KS who has more BT jacks than I've ever seen. He is on the far western side of KS bordering CO and it is completely flat out there. Sage loves BT's and this falconer really wants to fly a ferruge. So it is a win win for everyone. Sage just couldn't take WT's consistantly like she can BT's. And with the golden I now have the ultiment WT bird. So no need to fly 2 birds at the same quarry.

I flew my female ferruge for 5 years and she taught me a great deal about fist hawking jacks and general large raptor managment. Without her I would still be inthe dark ages with what to do with my golden.

BTW I figured you would be out in the middle of no where about now. Did you have success trapping or just waiting for next weekend?

Thanks,

Chase

[SakerJack]

Hello GuyFawkes,, do like your hoods,, I am sure there are many opinions about hooding a newly trapped eagle. I do not have an eagle, but do hope to get a golden someday,I am at the moment flying a hybrid hawk and making hoods.
This might make an interesting thread in the eagle section of the forum.

[Chase0109]

I don't have any doubts you make excellent hoods I question what are you doing keeping an Eagle hooded for five day's without taking it off , over here we would get into serious trouble doing that surely you must realise that an eagle can go without food but not without water. We have come a long way since the dark ages to coin a phrase.



Here is where the internet can be a problem. I'll try to explain this to make it as clear as possible. The eagle I trapped was very fat when trapped. I have a very specific training regimine to use with him which involves keeping stress as low as possible. So my bird was trapped, hooded and equipped right away. I then tethered him to a travel perch in a dark room. From day one he was put on itroconizal (anti asper meds). Two pills a day, morning and evening. Basicly opening his mouth and popping in a pill followed by water from a spray bottle. So he recieved water twice a day via spray bottle. I handled him as little as possible during our trip and most of the time he sat hooded on his perch in the other room. My goal was to keep stress as low as possible. What I could have done would be to unhood him on the fist and watch him bate and hang, refuse to eat, totally stress out and ultimently have to be hooded against his will. That would have done nothing but increased both his stress levels and mine. Possibly weaking his immune system and allowing asper to take hold. I would in no way be a positive and he would probably resent the experience.

When I arrived home it was late and he was perched in the mews on his perch. Basicly so he could feel the perch while hooded and would know it was a perch after I unhooded him. The next morning I filled his bath, put a fresh rear jack leg (with meds) on the perch, unhooded hime and left. He is tethered and has a 8' long corner perch, 3' heigh. The windows are covered with white cloraplast. This allow ambient light in but he can't see anything outside of the mews. Which creates a secluded mews and an area he can feel safe in. He won't bate because there is nothing outside the mews to see. I also have a observation cut out in the front door with a flap over it. I can watch him from outside the mews and he doesn't know I am there and he doesn't stress out. I go in once a day, change water, and give him fresh food. I'm the only stress in his life and I'm there and gone quickly. I bring food and thats it. The idea is to acclimate him at his own pace and keep stress very low. Also it took him another 3 days of being in the mews unhooded for him to finally be hungry enough to eat.

Chase

[DJMWyoming]

GuyFawkes wrote:

I question what are you doing keeping an Eagle hooded for five day's without taking it off , over here we would get into serious trouble doing that surely you must realise that an eagle can go without food but not without water. We have come a long way since the dark ages to coin a phrase.




I had a reply written earlier but I trashed it. It's not worth the trouble. You will never settle an argument over the Internet. Period.

Best,

Dan McCarron

[EagleMan6905]

Thanks Chase I have sent you e-mails to your e-mail address..
Here is the Maynes Bad Boy on a female Stellars Sea Eagle .. Steve Chindgren is training it for his bird show at the Salt Lake City Zoo, one is also on the way to the San Diego Zoo.. When I made that hood I swear a dog would wear it,, HUGE BIRD and BEAK..
The redness on the cere is NOT from the hood..

Wow they are such a huge bird, hopefuly Chindgren won't loose an ear, however with Steve's little skinny arms he'll have to go on HGH to carry that thing around. Joe

[DJMWyoming]

BTW I figured you would be out in the middle of no where about now. Did you have success trapping or just waiting for next weekend?

Thanks,

Chase

Hi Chase:

I live out in the middle of nowhere. Well actually, nowhere is just a few miles away. I'm going to wait until the desert dries out a bit before going out again. Rivers of mud out there right now with all the snow melting. Pure gumbo.

Best with your new bird.

Dan McCarron

[Merger]

Here is where the internet can be a problem. I'll try to explain this to make it as clear as possible. The eagle I trapped was very fat when trapped. I have a very specific training regimine to use with him which involves keeping stress as low as possible. So my bird was trapped, hooded and equipped right away. I then tethered him to a travel perch in a dark room. From day one he was put on itroconizal (anti asper meds). Two pills a day, morning and evening. Basicly opening his mouth and popping in a pill followed by water from a spray bottle. So he recieved water twice a day via spray bottle. I handled him as little as possible during our trip and most of the time he sat hooded on his perch in the other room. My goal was to keep stress as low as possible. What I could have done would be to unhood him on the fist and watch him bate and hang, refuse to eat, totally stress out and ultimently have to be hooded against his will. That would have done nothing but increased both his stress levels and mine. Possibly weaking his immune system and allowing asper to take hold. I would in no way be a positive and he would probably resent the experience.

When I arrived home it was late and he was perched in the mews on his perch. Basicly so he could feel the perch while hooded and would know it was a perch after I unhooded him. The next morning I filled his bath, put a fresh rear jack leg (with meds) on the perch, unhooded hime and left. He is tethered and has a 8' long corner perch, 3' heigh. The windows are covered with white cloraplast. This allow ambient light in but he can't see anything outside of the mews. Which creates a secluded mews and an area he can feel safe in. He won't bate because there is nothing outside the mews to see. I also have a observation cut out in the front door with a flap over it. I can watch him from outside the mews and he doesn't know I am there and he doesn't stress out. I go in once a day, change water, and give him fresh food. I'm the only stress in his life and I'm there and gone quickly. I bring food and thats it. The idea is to acclimate him at his own pace and keep stress very low. Also it took him another 3 days of being in the mews unhooded for him to finally be hungry enough to eat.

ChaseWell done chase!!! proper order,! hope you have fun,,:D

[SakerJack]

Chase that is exactly how I manned my 3 Bald eagles...Good luck,,

[Antonio Negrelli]

I don't have any doubts you make excellent hoods I question what are you doing keeping an Eagle hooded for five day's without taking it off , over here we would get into serious trouble doing that surely you must realise that an eagle can go without food but not without water. We have come a long way since the dark ages to coin a phrase.



For Eagles i think Khazaka hoods are better, dutch and others i dont know but perhapz a khan hood.

Hello Guy Fawkes i know this isnot an ideal place to i write this, but i like this khazaka hood, are very beautiful and if is possible you share this pattern if dont have problem for you.


ty

[SakerJack]

For Eagles i think Khazaka hoods are better, dutch and others i dont know but perhapz a khan hood.

ty

Ty We all have opinions, I respect that ,to quote North American Falconer Kent Carnie..
"If we all had the same opinion we would all share the same wife"

[DJMWyoming]

Ty We all have opinions, I respect that ,to quote North American Falconer Kent Carnie..
"If we all had the same opinion we would all share the same wife"

Hi Ken:

I started a thread yesterday trying to put a photo library together on eagle hoods. It would be great to put pictures of your hoods on there.

I've seen some great looking hoods scattered all over the place on different threads. I thought it would be nice to funnel pictures of eagle hoods all together, in one place.

That was the idea anyway. We'll see.

Best,

Dan

[SakerJack]

Hi Ken:

I started a thread yesterday trying to put a photo library together on eagle hoods. It would be great to put pictures of your hoods on there.

I've seen some great looking hoods scattered all over the place on different threads. I thought it would be nice to funnel pictures of eagle hoods all together, in one place.

That was the idea anyway. We'll see.

Best,

Dan

Dan great idea, where did you start the thread??

[SakerJack]

Dan great idea, where did you start the thread??

Sorry Dan found it..

[Dave Stevens]

I don't have any doubts you make excellent hoods I question what are you doing keeping an Eagle hooded for five day's without taking it off , over here we would get into serious trouble doing that surely you must realise that an eagle can go without food but not without water. We have come a long way since the dark ages to coin a phrase.

Guy,

Would you help us American Passage Eagle Falconers by telling us of your passage eagle experiences?

Thanks,

Dave

[GuyFawkes]

Guy,

Would you help us American Passage Eagle Falconers by telling us of your passage eagle experiences?

Thanks,

Dave
I will treat your comment with the contempt it deserves.

[Merger]

Woops!!! as far as contemt goes,, guy,,, it started the second you questioned another falconers ability to train a hawk!! The dark ages!!! falconers still refer to text written over 400 years ago!! on a daily bases! some falconers are only to willing to comment on a method of training sitting in front of a computer,, ive been lucky enough to witness, first hand over here, the whole process from start to finish with passage eagles,, these are not what we fly in the uk!! the factor with these guys is paramount,, stress, stress, and more stress!! to be limited to its absolute bare minimum!!! what chase did was the best way to insure this! just unhooding these guys, is like inviting in asper! with open arms,,the quickest way to dehydrate a bird,, easy, up the stress levels! the only water i saw in wyoming,, was 5 inches thick!!! so they must suck snow,, on a daily basis! having witnessed first hand! Daves birds perform they are nothing but a compliment to American Eagle falconry,this is not a lets start an argument thread,, but i believe all who post on here, should think hard on what they post!! the forum has lost many good members over the years because of ego related issues, and alike, the proof of another falconers ability can never be seen on the internet,, in the field, drop the hood and rock and roll!! only then can that falconers ability to train a hawk, from hooding for five days,, to hunting,, be witnessed!! by all,,as for myself, i leave a fresh taken up falcon hooded,, untouched for 2 days; somtimes longer, and no one would tell me that wasnt allowed! so please lets leave another falconers methods well alone,, and concentrate on our own!!:roll:

[Dave Stevens]

I will treat your comment with the contempt it deserves.

Guy,

You took that for disrespect...I simply asked a question. Have you ever flown a passage Golden Eagle? If so, could you tell us how so we might learn from your experience?

Thanks,

Dave

[GuyFawkes]

Woops!!! as far as contemt goes,, guy,,, it started the second you questioned another falconers ability to train a hawk!! The dark ages!!! falconers still refer to text written over 400 years ago!! on a daily bases! some falconers are only to willing to comment on a method of training sitting in front of a computer,, ive been lucky enough to witness, first hand over here, the whole process from start to finish with passage eagles,, these are not what we fly in the uk!! the factor with these guys is paramount,, stress, stress, and more stress!! to be limited to its absolute bare minimum!!! what chase did was the best way to insure this! just unhooding these guys, is like inviting in asper! with open arms,,the quickest way to dehydrate a bird,, easy, up the stress levels! the only water i saw in wyoming,, was 5 inches thick!!! so they must suck snow,, on a daily basis! having witnessed first hand! Daves birds perform they are nothing but a compliment to American Eagle falconry,this is not a lets start an argument thread,, but i believe all who post on here, should think hard on what they post!! the forum has lost many good members over the years because of ego related issues, and alike, the proof of another falconers ability can never be seen on the internet,, in the field, drop the hood and rock and roll!! only then can that falconers ability to train a hawk, from hooding for five days,, to hunting,, be witnessed!! by all,,as for myself, i leave a fresh taken up falcon hooded,, untouched for 2 days; somtimes longer, and no one would tell me that wasnt allowed! so please lets leave another falconers methods well alone,, and concentrate on our own!!:roll:

Whoops Listen

I though you guy's were about ten years in front of us ,It seems your behind us somewhat, look if you want to keep a hood on a newly traped bird for five day's thats ok with me, we can't trap birds over here anymore so there is little point in me answering questions on my background in traping birds legaly I can;t admit to ever doing it. however we do have a thing called the animal welfare bill and the league of cruel sports trying to shut down falconry in the uk, comments like hooding a bird for five days on an open forum do not go down well in this country it may well be that in your neck of the woods you don't have these people trying to close down falconry I see it as all the eyes in the world are looking at blood sports in general and one has to be carefull what one say's I was'nt out to start world war three, you have my utter respect in training a passage Goldie , however we use captive bred birds and one of the advantages of that is on eagle meets when numbers of eagles reach over twenty they are all considered safe I know passage birds have generaly been considered to be ill tempered and dangerous and not welcome on field meets, sorry to have upset one or two of you but surely the way forward is captive breeding, regards tom carnihan

[SakerJack]

Gentleman this thread is to say how GREAT my Maynes Bad Boy Eagle hood is!! LMAO, Interesting posts keep at it but civilized..

[GuyFawkes]

Gentleman this thread is to say how GREAT my Maynes Bad Boy Eagle hood is!! LMAO, Interesting posts keep at it but civilized..
Sorry Jack told you before your hoods are stunning yes it is your thread and i'm not out to spoil anybody's sport been in it to long for that, last comment on the matter the day's of sticking your head in the sand like the ostrich are long gone if you want to keep it stand up for it and protect it. Once again it was not my intention to offend. Back to your thread jack.

[Merger]

Sorry sakerjack,, for your thread being mislaid!!!! i know the score on falconry in the uk,,belive me hooding a bird for five days,, wont be the reason we end up with forced legistration,, Eagles in wrong hands, hybrids,lost and a whole host of other issues may be one day! and over here plenty of ****, about aggresive passage Eagles,, haven seen what ive seen,, if i wanted to ever fly an Eagle,,,which i dont,,and never will,, it would be a passage, every time, having witnessed a couple of weeks ago, a passage step completely off his, 217th jack rabbit this season!! onto the glove for a couple of chicks, rouse, then close his eyes prior to hooding,, it dont get any better than that with Goldie!!!!8-) As Eagle falconry is in its infancy, here in the US, as we speak some basic guidelines, as to who is eligable to fly them are being set up, hopefully to make sure that they dont end up in unsuitable places,, or hands! also basic recipes are being followed, so the groundwork, becomes public knowledge, all to the good of American Eagle falconry,, and the American golden eagle...

[Dave Stevens]

Whoops Listen

I though you guy's were about ten years in front of us ,It seems your behind us somewhat, look if you want to keep a hood on a newly traped bird for five day's thats ok with me, we can't trap birds over here anymore so there is little point in me answering questions on my background in traping birds legaly I can;t admit to ever doing it. however we do have a thing called the animal welfare bill and the league of cruel sports trying to shut down falconry in the uk, comments like hooding a bird for five days on an open forum do not go down well in this country it may well be that in your neck of the woods you don't have these people trying to close down falconry I see it as all the eyes in the world are looking at blood sports in general and one has to be carefull what one say's I was'nt out to start world war three, you have my utter respect in training a passage Goldie , however we use captive bred birds and one of the advantages of that is on eagle meets when numbers of eagles reach over twenty they are all considered safe I know passage birds have generaly been considered to be ill tempered and dangerous and not welcome on field meets, sorry to have upset one or two of you but surely the way forward is captive breeding, regards tom carnihan

Tom,

Passage birds are far from how you've described them. They are well-mannered and respectful, provided they have been trained and handled by a falconer, not a keeper. What you see as cruel we see as necessary to prevent an aspergillosis death. We would have a harder time defending a bird dying then a few days of hooded quiet.

Just my thoughts,

Dave

[Chase0109]

Here are some updated pics of my new tiercel in a size 33 Maynes Bad Boy hood. I like black so I asked Ken to make me a custom black Bad Boy. These are great hoods. I am also eagerly awaiting a prototype Diablo hood with the accordian back. After enough proding Ken has been working out this style. The pics look great and I can't wait to try one on this guy. If your looking for a great hood I highly reccommend you give one of Ken's a try.

Chase

[SakerJack]

Hey Chase,, I am making you another and am just taking off 1/8" of the sides of the beak. That will open the beak opening just a bit more and will fully go around the soft tissue as you requested. That is what I have done for Steve Chingren's Stellar's hood. I am eagerly awaiting the fitting of the Prototype I sent off. The Bad Boy will be in the mail in a week(ish)..
Thanks Chase