Bird of prey centre in Spain

[tangerinemusic]

buanas dias, can anyone give me any information on starting a bird of prey centre in spain? i have a place on the costa blanca and everytime i come to your amazing country i always say a bop centre would do well here, will i need special licenses how strict is the law on birds of prey , can you get hold of chicks ,equiptment ect, any information would be greatfully recieved grasius john.

[HawkMom]

You would probably need to contact your authorites which regulate the posession of wildlife. If you have a business mentor, who can help you set up the business as a charity with sponsors and endowments to keep the cash flow level. Good luck. I think that there are several bird of prey centers in Spain. If you go to www.youtube.com. I've seen several demonstrations on YouTube in Spain and they may be able to guide you.

[tangerinemusic]

thanks for the reply i will check it out, not quite sure how the charity thing would work? can you shed a little more light on it for me , thanks john..

[Blondi]

May be worth contacting Jan at SEPE in Alhaurin el Grande, regarding charity status in Spain, its a horse rescue centre but she works closely with the Guardia civil, and has sussed out the system..

[John Beaumont]

I'd find out who the authorities are and approach them. I suspect that an approach in Spanish (or dialect if appropriate) will be even more advantageous still. Lost of smiles and fortnightly visits may do the trick. Oh, and reams of paperwork detailing your project (in the official language). And be prepared to involve the council and any provincial authorities.

[Shaun Bannister]

well if you ever get it off the ground and need a hand i go there regularly as ive a house there

[Tony James]

buanas dias, can anyone give me any information on starting a bird of prey centre in spain? i have a place on the costa blanca and everytime i come to your amazing country i always say a bop centre would do well here, will i need special licenses how strict is the law on birds of prey , can you get hold of chicks ,equiptment ect, any information would be greatfully recieved grasius john.

Hi John,

I hope I'm not being unnecessarily rude, but with just two years experience as a falconer, and with two out of three words of spanish incorrect, I'd forget it for a little while at least:yawinkle:

[Dean]

Whilst I was out there I looked into a school and centre in central Benidorm,the lad who owns the land available also owns a small safari park up in the mountains,he approached the town mayor,explained the situation and was given the go ahead totally within 9 days!!Unfortunately the bird flu scare hit its peak within a week of that!!:roll:

[Mansars]

Hi John,

I hope I'm not being unnecessarily rude, but with just two years experience as a falconer, and with two out of three words of spanish incorrect, I'd forget it for a little while at least:yawinkle:

I can speak fluent (well enough to coach sports, chat up girls and order food) Spanish in 3 dialects, along with being able to read it. I cant however spell in spanish (or english) yet I survived in south America for a few years. Dont let this put you off..

Col

[Tony James]

I can speak fluent (well enough to coach sports, chat up girls and order food) Spanish in 3 dialects, along with being able to read it. I cant however spell in spanish (or english) yet I survived in south America for a few years. Dont let this put you off..

Col

Hi Col,

it was the two years experience that provoked my response to be honest, and although I shouldn't have responded at all, it was a reaction based on my concerns at the level of experience required of anyone contemplating opening a centre that represents falconry to the masses (i.e none).
I can do little about it, and voicing my opinion here, however politely or justifiably, is of no more consequence than those who would say 'go for it'.
Best I learn to keep quiet sometimes:yawinkle:

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Shaun Bannister]

Hi Col,

it was the two years experience that provoked my response to be honest, and although I shouldn't have responded at all, it was a reaction based on my concerns at the level of experience required of anyone contemplating opening a centre that represents falconry to the masses (i.e none).
I can do little about it, and voicing my opinion here, however politely or justifiably, is of no more consequence than those who would say 'go for it'.
Best I learn to keep quiet sometimes:yawinkle:

Best wishes,

Tony.


that horse has already bolted tony im afraid,still you dont need to actually BE a falconer or even hunt birds ,to run a centre,,never the twain shall meet ,theres loads of them around at least he aint like the worst of them hiding his two years experience behind a big bluff and big gob and being "in with the clique" on forums

[BlueBoy]

There was a thread on here not to long ago, where someone was looking for a guy from Chesterfield way who made falconry equiptment, i think he'd moved to Spain and opened a falconry centre, the thread had a contact No but i cant find it

[TiercelMan]

Hi Col,

it was the two years experience that provoked my response to be honest, and although I shouldn't have responded at all, it was a reaction based on my concerns at the level of experience required of anyone contemplating opening a centre that represents falconry to the masses (i.e none).
I can do little about it, and voicing my opinion here, however politely or justifiably, is of no more consequence than those who would say 'go for it'.
Best I learn to keep quiet sometimes:yawinkle:

Best wishes,

Tony.

Tony,
At the risk of going off topic, it's amazing how many "falconers" on these forums set themselves up as experts and "mentors" (another Americanism:rolleyes:) after only a couple of years, which to my mind is five minutes in real falconry experience terms,:x
regards, Alistair

[Kennelre]

I don't actually think it's rude or irrelevent to address the issue of 'experience' with someone who is querying the process of setting up a falconry related facility...wherever that might be.
Unless a person has a degree of personal wealth which would enable them to sustain financial loss then, apart from any other issues, a viable business plan is a basic necessity....so there are a great many 'experience' levels required in such a venture.
I think it's a kindness to check that out before offering encouragement...but then I don't like to see animal husbandry compromised by diminishing financial resources...nor someone bancrupt themselves in pursuit of a dream.
Perhaps the author of this thread has far more relevent experience than the initial post implies?


...Rene.

[Mansars]

Hi Col,

it was the two years experience that provoked my response to be honest, and although I shouldn't have responded at all, it was a reaction based on my concerns at the level of experience required of anyone contemplating opening a centre that represents falconry to the masses (i.e none).
I can do little about it, and voicing my opinion here, however politely or justifiably, is of no more consequence than those who would say 'go for it'.
Best I learn to keep quiet sometimes:yawinkle:

Best wishes,

Tony.

I agree totally that in theory that amount of experience does not sound alot, to open a centre, that is why I didnt mention it.

The reason I replied is that I hear the excuse of language barrier all the time and it annoys me, as a great many people told me that you should be a ble to read, write and speak to a high level before you go any where. However the best place to learn is actually on the ground (so to speak). Yes it would help very much in this instance, but generally its an excuse not to do something ie travel.

Of course you should have replied, that is what forums are (should be) all about..comunicating with others.

There are a great number of folk with less experience opening and running centres in the uk, some well some not so well, there are even more who have been doing it for years who are appauling imho, yet are loved by the masses as they have the qualification of having hunted/breed birds for years.

Col

[Ian Stuart]

Hi,

We came out to Almeria Province in Nov 08 to set up a centre after over 12 months research. Got totally ripped off and mislead by everyone from, Solicitors,(Spanish) Bank, (Spanish)Estate Agents, (Scots) Vendor (Irish) - Officials. Had over 20 years experience in Falconry, makes no difference how much or little Spanish you know. We have lost everything and are counting the days till we can get home to Warrington. Only good thing is support from Brits who are out here and have shown loads of interest when I have been flying my birds, and occasional Spanish who have stopped to watch.

Hope, if you go ahead, you have better luck than we did.

Ian

[Dean]

Then theres the other end of the coin!My friends son with little experience,other than with harris,s goes over with a cast,sets up hunting trips for the tourists and earns 2000euros a week,pays hardly any tax and rents a gorgeous little villa long let for 400euros a month!You wouldnt get him back her for love nor money,he loves it!He now has four harris,s,has just ordered 3 aks for some pest clearance in the vineyards!!He had nothing here!

[Robermarbe]

Are you still interested on opening a falconry centre in Spain?.
If so, I leave you some information about places where you can direct your efforts in order to get accurate information. I also give you a general overview of the situation.
In Spain, the legislation regarding falconry is different depending on the region where you are settled. Talking about the area you mention i give you the contact details of several asociations operating in that area (see below).
In general to breed or to keep/breed a large number of birds of prey (normally more than 5) you need to have your facilities declared as a zoo centre ( núcleo zoológico). You have to request it to the competent authorities (Conselleria de Medio Ambiente or Conselleria de Agricultura... I am not sure which one of them in Alicante). Your facilities must fullfil some requirements as suitable mews, quarantine facility, register of animals etc. It can take long time to get it granted. All your birds will need to have the legal documents (CITES when required, and what we call "cesion Document" which is the document which state that the bird has been delivered to you by the breeder or former owner. In some regions you have to register your birds in front of the proper authority (It is not a big deal. you just have to fill up a form although sometimes they will send a inspection to check your facilities. They must be in good conditions and keeping the security measures to avoid birds to escape)

Asociación Alicantina de Cetreros
José Sánchez Guallart
Polígono D nº2
Rebolledo
03113 ALICANTE Asociación Alicantina de Cetreros
Jesús López
Felipe Herrero Arias, 26 2ºE
03013 ALICANTE Club de Cetrería y Criadores de Aves de Presa
Juan Daniel Vera
Oficina Social de la Marina
Casa del Mar
Villajoyosa
03570 ALICANTE Asociación de Cetreros del Mediterráneo
c/ Pedro Cabanes
59, puerta 1 46019 VALENCIA
José Luis Roman 963.65.82.19. Asociación Sociocultural de Amigos de la Cetrería " El Zahareño"
c/ La plata 6, baja, 46520 Puerto de Sagunto - VALENCIA
Marcelino Navarro Ruiz 962.68.02.53.

Good luck
Roberto

[GedAlker]

buanas dias, can anyone give me any information on starting a bird of prey centre in spain? i have a place on the costa blanca and everytime i come to your amazing country i always say a bop centre would do well here, will i need special licenses how strict is the law on birds of prey , can you get hold of chicks ,equiptment ect, any information would be greatfully recieved grasius john.
hi let me know if youre thinking of starting something i am on villamar camste and would be interested .i av hunted for over twenty years with hawks and falcons:supz:
regards
ged

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