With all this talk of HIGH PITCHES with Peregrines!

[Hawkmaster]

Some say that the Anatum's fly higher, some swear by the Peregrinus peregrinus, some have had success with the Peales.

Have you flown them all and can give us results?

Which have you tried and found mount up like an arrow into the blue?

Are there really a higher climbing higher flying set group of the sexes?:cool:

[Hawkmaster]

Nobody experienced the rush of these birds?

[SharpTail]

I have flown a Peals terciel that was a dot out bird from almost day one. He was chamber raised by Les Boyd in Washington State. I rarely knew when to flush(ducks and shore birds) as I just couldn't see him on most flights. He had a nasty disposition and I sold him after his first season.

I currently have a 17 year old Anatum tiercel. I bought him form Dave Jamieson at Reno Nevada. He flys well and has taken quarry rangeing form Snipe to Sharptailed Grouse. In warmer weather he flys at a nice pitch but is put off by too much cold and wind.

[Mr.Smith]

Hmm, Who started all this talk anyway? Inquiring minds want to know. lol

T.S.

[Brian Sullivan]

It depends on the line of birds. Some Gyrs will mount out of sight. I have Anatums and Peales that were natural high fliers. I can not say for Peregrinus. The highest natural flying female Peregrine I have seen fly is this Anatum x Fiji female. She will bino spect most of the time.

[Hatchero]

i cannot speak with any authority regarding F.p perigrinus having only flown a falcon that was part peales. but i have flown a number of anatums and peales, both tiercels and falcons. i must admit to having all my adult life been rather biased towards anatums. it has been a long way around but i have to grudgingly admit that i have come to prefer peales for falconry, given my climate and quarry. i have found that anatums usually fly very well (read--high) and tend to pound quarry. the down side is that they, on average, don't fly as well in the wind and cold as peales. two of the best flying birds i have had turn out to have been peales--not what i would have expected. my current tiercel peales routinely goes up out of sight and kills something just about every time i let him go. my last peales falcon was the best grouse hawk i have flown, she flew well in the wind and would follow on high when put up over the grouse flats. she hit grouse like a freight train. my current peales falcons flies very well in the wind and cold but she insists on binding to everything (something i can't stand and many peales tend to do). for the time being, i will likely continue to fly peales. the mixed perigrinus i flew (supposedly Scottish blood, this was about 20 years ago) was an ok game hawk but was a bit lazy and needed to be sharper than i like to get keen on my quarry, a friend flew a sister, one year latter that had similar flaws.

[Cassini]

It depends on the line of birds. Some Gyrs will mount out of sight. I have Anatums and Peales that were natural high fliers. I can not say for Peregrinus. The highest natural flying female Peregrine I have seen fly is this Anatum x Fiji female. She will bino spect most of the time.

Ooooh Thats nice , can you send me over one of them Brian!Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaasse!
very nice looking peregrine but you already know that

[Brian Sullivan]

Ooooh Thats nice , can you send me over one of them Brian!Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaasse!
very nice looking peregrine but you already know that

There will be some nice birds like this coming your way. There will be Peales, large Anatums, Fiji, and Macropus Peregrines. Put in your order now! Contact: ashlongwings@.co.uk for pricing. I am a Cites reg. now and will be sending a groups of birds to England for the EU Falconers and Breeders.

[Brian Sullivan]

There will be some nice birds like this coming your way. There will be Peales, large Anatums, Fiji, and Macropus Peregrines. Put in your order now! Contact: ashlongwings.co.uk for pricing. I am a Cites reg. now and will be sending a groups of birds to England for the EU Falconers and Breeders.


Try this link to the web site: http://www.ashlongwings.co.uk/

[Cassini]

Try this link to the web site: http://www.ashlongwings.co.uk/

Thankyou Brian , I will be checking out those Fiji x Macropus with interest.
So these guy's are based in England yes?

[Brian Sullivan]

Thankyou Brian , I will be checking out those Fiji x Macropus with interest.
So these guy's are based in England yes?

Your welcome Andrew, Yes they are in England.

[Barbary Boy]

The highest Female or Tiercel I have seen fly is Phil Myers 5 year old Female Peregrine 'Ginty', she consistantly achieves pitches in excess of 1000ft killing vertually every time from a vertical stoop. he usually has to fly in marginal conditions but consistently achieves remarkable success none the less. Some of the best game hawking I have ever witnessed.His birds often specking out overhead, remarkable falconry considering the constraints under which he is working. His tiercel "ike" is not far behind in the quality stakes either?

[CloudBase1664]

The highest Female or Tiercel I have seen fly is Phil Myers 5 year old Female Peregrine 'Ginty', she consistantly achieves pitches in excess of 1000ft killing vertually every time from a vertical stoop. he usually has to fly in marginal conditions but consistently achieves remarkable success none the less. Some of the best game hawking I have ever witnessed.His birds often specking out overhead, remarkable falconry considering the constraints under which he is working. His tiercel "ike" is not far behind in the quality stakes either?

I haven't seen much of the tiercel but I would agree Ginty is top class.The highest mounting falcon I saw last season was Glyn Cooper's .Mike Calvin had a GP tiercel that went to the limit of visibility and beyond as did Henri Desmont's GP tiercel.

Dave

[RyanSinTX]

That’s a fairly subjective question, and regardless of natural tendencies with the right training regime you can get any breed to speck out.

Now as far the sex thing goes the females are about as buoyant as a brick a friend of mine would say. From my experience the terciels go up much easier.

Birds I have flown or trained for other people include Peales/Anatum male & female (brother and sister), female Gyr/Barbary, and a female Prairie.

All the birds were flown in the same location and under the same conditions. Hands down the male P/A out mounted all the other birds. Wing loading vs. body weight it just takes less effort, and if I flew him on thermals and took my eyes off him at all he was gone.
I recall one day unhooding him and casting him off and by the time I had taken 3-4 steps and looked up he was well over 800ft and climbing.

I don’t think I would ever buy a female Peregrine again. Don’t get me wrong I love the one have now, but the males have much more personality they mount easier and they can kill just about anything a female can (I didn’t have grouse to hunt, but at 550g he would pass up divers in a flock and pick out the drake mallards) if that says anything. The biggest non intended quarry he took was a great blue heron (it was released unharmed). Just my two cents and I have no where the expereince a lot of the people on here do but I feel strongly about the topic.

[Freddie1]

I flew a gyr/pere last season and he would mount up as high as you wanted him to go and would stay close as any bird I have ever owned man he was one hell of a partridge bird so gyr/pere for me every time.
Steve:supz:

[Hawkmaster]

Interesting thoughs and comments thank you.

There are so many factors with all of this.

What about weather conditions and terrain?;)

[bcollins]

When passage peregrines, mostly tundra peregrines, again become available in the USA, there will be some spectacular flights. They practically train themselves. No kites, no balloons...no bad manners...we have been waiting to fly them again for a long, long time....cheers to all and thanks for a good website...

[Hatchero]

i would make this further comment, a lot depends on your conditions and quarry. for sage grouse gyrfalcons are hard to beat but G/Ps are very good as well. this means they go high enough, stoop to where the grouse WILL BE, fly well in cold windy weather and very importantly, they have a good ground game. although i have had peregrines that were great on grouse they just did not have the tool set for this quarry, day in and day out. for the most part G/Ps and and gyrkins are going to be better at upland game under most conditions, by better i mean that they are going to fly well and catch more than peregrines. where the peregrine out classes all the rest is when it comes to water fowl--especially on big water. Don't get me wrong, i have caught a pile of ducks with gyrs and G/Ps but these were almost always off of small ponds. the problem with gyrs and G/Ps on ducks is that it is the rare one indeed that does not pull the trigger the moment the ducks blink their eyes, such that often the ducks just doesn't get to commit and they end up back in the water. peregrines have a natural gift when it comes to working flocks of waterfowl and seem to innately know how to pull it off. to watch a highly experienced tiercel perregrine fly ducks on a big reservoir or coastal lagoon is one of the big thrills in falconry that has such nuance to it that often the inexperienced observer would hardly know what has just happened. Unhacked captive bred peregrines may take a season or two to really get to the artist part of it but passage and haggard peregrines are pretty much "shake and bake" just keep out of their way.
Jim

[Bird_Dog]

This makes sense to me, because I've seen a lot less duck herding in my hybrid. My best tiercel peregrines were great at it... not so for my gyrXperegrine. Nevertheless, my hybrid kills way more ducks than my tiercel peregrine.

-- Bird_Dog

i would make this further comment, a lot depends on your conditions and quarry. for sage grouse gyrfalcons are hard to beat but G/Ps are very good as well. this means they go high enough, stoop to where the grouse WILL BE, fly well in cold windy weather and very importantly, they have a good ground game. although i have had peregrines that were great on grouse they just did not have the tool set for this quarry, day in and day out. for the most part G/Ps and and gyrkins are going to be better at upland game under most conditions, by better i mean that they are going to fly well and catch more than peregrines. where the peregrine out classes all the rest is when it comes to water fowl--especially on big water. Don't get me wrong, i have caught a pile of ducks with gyrs and G/Ps but these were almost always off of small ponds. the problem with gyrs and G/Ps on ducks is that it is the rare one indeed that does not pull the trigger the moment the ducks blink their eyes, such that often the ducks just doesn't get to commit and they end up back in the water. peregrines have a natural gift when it comes to working flocks of waterfowl and seem to innately know how to pull it off. to watch a highly experienced tiercel perregrine fly ducks on a big reservoir or coastal lagoon is one of the big thrills in falconry that has such nuance to it that often the inexperienced observer would hardly know what has just happened. Unhacked captive bred peregrines may take a season or two to really get to the artist part of it but passage and haggard peregrines are pretty much "shake and bake" just keep out of their way.
Jim

[Sokoly]

That’s a fairly subjective question, and regardless of natural tendencies with the right training regime you can get any breed to speck out.

Now as far the sex thing goes the females are about as buoyant as a brick a friend of mine would say. From my experience the terciels go up much easier.

Birds I have flown or trained for other people include Peales/Anatum male & female (brother and sister), female Gyr/Barbary, and a female Prairie.

All the birds were flown in the same location and under the same conditions. Hands down the male P/A out mounted all the other birds. Wing loading vs. body weight it just takes less effort, and if I flew him on thermals and took my eyes off him at all he was gone.
I recall one day unhooding him and casting him off and by the time I had taken 3-4 steps and looked up he was well over 800ft and climbing.

I don’t think I would ever buy a female Peregrine again. Don’t get me wrong I love the one have now, but the males have much more personality they mount easier and they can kill just about anything a female can (I didn’t have grouse to hunt, but at 550g he would pass up divers in a flock and pick out the drake mallards) if that says anything. The biggest non intended quarry he took was a great blue heron (it was released unharmed). Just my two cents and I have no where the expereince a lot of the people on here do but I feel strongly about the topic.

Good post mate.:supz: