paperwork A10 etc

[BrianM]

i have seen a number of harris hawks for sale that the seller says "all paperwork included",,, what paperwork is this???

[Trigger]

Dunno! They don't need an A10 but I usually get a breeders record or a microchip / Ibr certificate if applicable. But I don't belive there to be any official paper work for Harrisis. :?

[BrianM]

thats what i thought trigger......

[Afshimo]

hiya,
sry if i confuse things, but I still cant quite get me head rond docs for bop's lol.
Is it rare and british birds need A10's, pere's need blue docs? most birds of prey need an captive breeding certificate or the microship certificate thing?
Me an docs dont mix lol.

[BrianM]

as far as i was concerned you DONT require any paperwork for a harris

[Wightwings]

always best to keepa record of the number and possibly ask for a receipt but in truth legally nothing required.

Be interesting to see if the escapees that are out there that start (and have) breeding become classed as native!!!???? be a10's then..... :roll: :lol:

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi,

It's probably the IBR papers.

All The Best,

HH

[BrianM]

Be interesting to see if the escapees that are out there that start (and have) breeding become classed as native!!!???? be a10's then..... :roll: :lol:[/quote]

heres a thought,, if the escapees breed how long do you think it would be before DEFRA began asking for a fee and a A10 for them :shock:

[Wightwings]

like any good money making government deprtment...........NOT LONG

[Jack Merlin]

Just been through this myself with a new gos. I think the yellow A10 is needed if you sell or commercially display cer tain birds. I've had A10 for gosses and peregrines. Then there's the blue registration document. But as they don't head the piece of paper "Article 10" or whatever, I always end up phoning them for advice!

Jack

[Gaz]

Any bird should come with a certificate of captive breeding......bet you didn"t know that did you :mrgreen:

[Varmint]

bet you didn"t know that did you

Yep it's in my book!

but its not a certificate it's a "decleration" of captive breeding.

It should state that the breeder declares that he bred the bird Ring/mc no ...... from parent birds, ring/ mC no.......... hatch date ......and that they were legally held at the time of breeding.

Date, name and address.

[BrianM]

ive only ever had three harris in my time 2 ive still got and one that was 5 when i got her and wild as stink( gave her away for breeding but i have never had a certificate of captive breeding for any of them>>>>

[Varmint]

Slap on the wrist then Brian?

But it is a legal requirement that you are able to prove who and where the bird came from and that it was produced from legally held parents.

[Gaz]

Yep it's in my book
That f#####g book :!: must be massive :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Varmint]

No , just comprehensive :lol:

[BrianM]

beleave it or not adrian ,, when i bought my first bird i DID ask the guy if i needed the paperwork and was told no :shock: that was when i bought my male ,a year later i went back to the same guy and bought my female,, but i was a virgin buyer then ,, i will know better in the future :oops: ,,,, so what position am i in now ( legaly),,, , PS ive had visits from SSPCA in the past courtesy of my asshole neighbours, and wasnt asked for papers, but then again she knew as much about birds as i do about astro physics...... :D

[Renton]

Not under EC Reg 338/97.

[TimberDog]

Slap on the wrist then Brian?

But it is a legal requirement that you are able to prove who and where the bird came from and that it was produced from legally held parents.


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This sound very familiar 8)

[Varmint]

Not under EC Reg 338/97.

Which says what?

[BrianM]

Slap on the wrist then Brian?

But it is a legal requirement that you are able to prove who and where the bird came from and that it was produced from legally held parents.


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This sound very familiar 8)
sounds familiar to what timber.......... youve lost me :D

[Renton]

Redtails or Harris' may be traded with as little legal protection as that afforded to cats or dogs.

[Varmint]

Christ Brian, its flying in tonight mate!

Provided you know the person you got the HH off and their address i dont think you have anything to worry about mate, it's not an EC thing it's a CITES thing.

[Varmint]

Redtails or Harris' may be traded with as little legal protection as that afforded to cats or dogs.

But they may not be traded without personal identification and proof that they originated thru a legal, sustainable source!

[BrianM]

:D gotcha varmint you had me in a sweat there :D

[Renton]

It is not even a CITES thing! Those species are off any registe.r

[TimberDog]

Brian PM you

[Gaz]

:twisted: :supz: :twisted:

"I KNOW..ITS ONLY ROCK AND ROLL...BUT I LIKE IT,LIKE IT YES I DOOOO.."

[Renton]

And why not?

[BrianM]

what about the rangers eh :oops: ( he says trieing to change the subject) :D

[Varmint]

Check the wildlife and countryside act mate! :wink:

[Varmint]

So if i said to you, you bird is stolen? how can you prove it wasnt?

The burden of proof is on you to prove both where the bird came from and that you have the bird legally in your possesion.

Even with a registable species, the reg doc doesnt prove that you are holding the bird legally, the honess is on you to provide that information should it be requested?

[Wightwings]

Any bird should come with a certificate of captive breeding......bet you didn"t know that did you

is that a fact gaz......... :roll: :mrgreen:

That f#####g book must be massive pmsl.....straight to the point as usual.

[Gaz]

Idont get involved in this legal stuff Chris...try to keep out of it :twisted:

[Wightwings]

always best :?

[Varmint]

Gaz is used to that selling mobile phones! :lol:

[Wightwings]

ahhhhhhhhh but he dont V......its a clever ruse.............well actually not he a ...................

[Varmint]

Let me guess? a politician for the rrlp?

[Wightwings]

dont think they would have im in truth............a bit TOO much of a loon :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Trigger]

A10s drive me MAD!!! You ever tried tracing the parents of a 15 year old lynx? Not easy!!! When my dad died I had to transfer some of the a10 into my name. I have a breeding pair of snowies, have had for years, they sent me the males a10, no prob together with a letter saying they would only re issue the females a10 if I could prove I had a male!!!

[Varmint]

That stinks Trigg!

A10's drive me mad too

Two years ago i was socially imprinting two of my home bred falcons, i had a show and took them in the car so i could socialise them and keep an eye on em, they were not on public display but i did put them on my car bonnet at one point whilst i changed their food dishes.

Jobs worth bobby asked me if i had a10's for em?

I had the applications and the rings but they were too small so the rings kept falling off.

He only tried to do me?? :x (didnt get very far LOL) :butthead:

Moral of the story is, if you are a centre and breed birds in a open wire pen on display to the public, you must have A10's for any registrable babies the moment they are hatched or you are breaking the law?

Never mind the fact that the A10's have to state a specific ring no or id no, and they could be any species or anything up until the point you put the rings on them, technically you are breaking the law?

What a load of **** eh?

Then you pre apply and send in 50 odd a10 applications and only 25 eggs hatch, so they want to know the why's and where fores of the other 25?

Getting to the point you havent got the time to earn a living cause your filling in forms?

[Wightwings]

red tape gone loopy as usual.

like a lot of things its a lip service to showing control measures but with a financial reward for the enforcers..........winds me up