Fox

[TimberDog]

Found this one on Moochers wishfull thinking on this one with Harris!!! lol.


He posted:


It can be done flushing charlie to be flown down by a goldie,but to make sure know one gets maimed,or dogs killed it all boils down to the temprement of the eagle,i watched a video made during an eagle meet a couple of years ago in the chech republic,no organised chaos hear in a field of 20 plus goldies with plenty of spectators,all slipped individually of course at foxes ,roe deer hares and even feral cats that are classed as eagle quarry flushed by beaters using upto 15 dogs of different breeds mostly H.P.R'S though.Like i said at the start its down to the temprement of the eagle and nearly all the eagles flown where imprints,deadly on the quarry they flew,but all had lovely manners both with strange people and strange dogs.The difference is in eastern europe They've got falconers who really know about eagles,dedicated to imprinting eagles that turn into well adjusted vice free hunting birds,i don't think theres many over hear that can produce the kind of eagle thats needed,maybe a few invites for a few months free hunting sent to the chech and hungarian falconry clubs would get a response,i know that quite a few travel over hear to fly the white hares in scotland every winter...

W A F.......
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[Gaz]

Must be a Bristle Harris :mrgreen:

[Steve L]

should they use eagles on a foxhunt???

[TimberDog]

Here we go lets open this one up then!!!

I will leave this one to people who know Baldies as i know not alot about em only RESPECT!! as Ali G said!

Pherhaps Varmit or somone whos into said birds???

I have seen vids on it it and scary stuff to watch a Balidie and Fox tumble down a hill side in death gripp!!

[Wightwings]

NO NO NO in my view its a bad move for falconry as it brings us IMMEDIATELY into the firing line.

I DO support the hunts and belive the ban is wrong, but i also believe hunts using BOP as a loophole is irresponsible and frankly smacks a bit of " F**k you we're in in you can be too"

BAD IDEA.

[TimberDog]

Good point!!

[Varmint]

My Baldies are **** scared of anything that move and wont catch a cold, never mind a fox?

Goldie is a different matter, but there lies the problem?

Once revved up there is no telling what she might catch? there arent that many places to safely fly a bird like that.

Whilst i support the ethic and ideal of fox hunting i feel it a bad idea to try to mix the two, if it was that great the victorians would have done it first, they had lots of money and nothing better to do than indulge themselves.

[Afshimo]

I would mind being able to fly an eagle, well, more on the lines of hunting, specially with the czech rep and their fantastic birds - so cool!

I dont agree with using eagles at the front of ox hunting, for the reasons above. Also the other reasons about the eagles being in danger, I wouldn't want my £5000 goldie being killed by dogs.

I support all country sports, I dont nessessarily know everythin bout them, to be honest I know very little. But fox hunting has got my full support, but I hope they dont drag falconry into this, so falconry ends up being banned too.

Now the anti's have fox hunting temporarily banned, wich country sprt could b next on the firing line?

[Wightwings]

Now the anti's have fox hunting temporarily banned, wich country sprt could b next on the firing line?

the first to show support in public is the short answer Hannah, thats why i am so against it.

[Kevin Massey]

hannah.......they want it all banned....foxhunting,shooting ,falconry and fishing.
they also want to stop intensive farming of animals .... using animals for testing etc

most are involved at some point in the demonstrations against by-passes.. airport runways even cutting down rotten trees

kev

[Wightwings]

in short most want to save what does not need saving, and right what is not wrong...........I stick them in the same bracket at football hooligans..........worthless idiots with no sense of reality and live priorities

[Kevin Massey]

if they ever get there way........which i hope wont ever happen...

these are gonna be the same people who are ranting at the landowners for selling of the "was rich with wildlife"well maintained lands for urban developments

[Wightwings]

even if they do get their way thro the kangaroo system of government we have here they will NEVER stop feild sports happening.......full stop

[Bill]

Did you see Trevor MacDonald tonight?

Anti's seem to be very busy trying to monitor "hunts" to see if they are legal or not. Lets give the hunts our blessing and support to keep having these meets. Hopefully It's going to keep the antis too busy to move on to the next target. Long live the men in Pink.

[Bill]

they will NEVER stop feild sports happening.......full stop

Hmm, haven't the hunts been saying they'll never stop hunting.

Here's a message for all falconers. I heard antis saying tonight "It's wrong for people to get pleasure from a sport that involves killing things".
So you give me an argument that will convince these people that falconry is ok? You won't because that statement is what they believe and it doesn't matter how quick or how little you kill, to them that principle will stand.

What can we do. Practice our sport within the law and to a high standard. Don't get involved with bagged game and don't glorify the kills because while they signify some measure of success some of the best flights end up with the quarry escaping. The pleasure is in seeing the hawk and quarry in as natural a setting as possible.

People who can't be reasonable ambassadors for the sport shouldn't bother taking it up.

[Wightwings]

People who can't be reasonable ambassadors for the sport shouldn't bother taking it up

i love that line

[Bill]

People who can't be reasonable ambassadors for the sport shouldn't bother taking it up

i love that line

Just to make it clear - that doesn't mean perfect, but it definately applies to ass holes.

[Fox]

This new law is a mess and the labour mps know it, hunting is as strong as ever. Lots of hunts were out today hunting and haveing a good day out.

The loophole is if you have any type of BOP on your fist you can have a whole pack of hounds in the cover flushing game for the BOP.
Rabbits, etc.

The countryside alliance handbook states any hunt thinking of takeing up such a move should consult with the Hawk Board.

My own point of view is that there is no need to employ falconry to foxhunting as there are plenty of other loop holes to follow. Plus who cares about the hunting act anyway.

[Colohen]

I feel sorry for the hunting brothers/sisters across the waters ! At the moment hunting sports are so wide spreed and so heavy capitelized on the it keeps the antie's to a low profile but there growing in numbers every day!
For me hunting is more a way of life then a sport and I am shure there are others here , around my age or older , who can remember days that there would have been no food on the table had it not been for hunting.
How ever I have to be honest , I never saw much sport in 20 poeple on horse back runing behind 40 hounds after one poor little fox . Kinda like shooting ducks in a barrel to me ! Sorry!

the long and short of it is who realy gives a flying fok !

[Bod]

Everyone interested in field sports should give a fok.
It only takes one incident captured on film carefully edited by an anti and thats another nail in the coffin.

Have you ever viewed any propaganda videos shot by antis i.e a huntsperson running over a anti with their horse? They only get run over because they stand in its way it doesn't show you the anti positioning themselves infront of the horse and rider having no option but to run through them.
Or a fox being dug from its earth. The next edited version shows the fox being thrown to the hounds. It doesnt show the fox being humanely shot in between.

Lets not forget the antis can be more cunning than a fox. Hunting with hounds will never be banned completely the only problem i can see is if we make light of the loopholes the government will close them with another ammendment.

We all have to be seen as being whiter than white. Lets stick together and show the world Hunting with hounds can work.

Who would ever have thought a decade ago Hunting with dogs would be outlawed. Lets hope than in another decade we are not having to go through the same thing with falconry

[Bill]

I never saw much sport in 20 poeple on horse back runing behind 40 hounds after one poor little fox

Poor little fox probably has a better chance of escape than a pointed partridge under a good game hawk.

Statistics show plenty escape so in my book that equates to sporting.

[ColdZero]

sooo, fox hunting is legal if there is a BOD present hunting? The loop hole means that all the hounds are flushing the game? Doesn't seem right to get hunting of hounds mixed with falconry, seems a bit selfish on their part.

[Varmint]

Still we can dream eh?

Trained Rottweiller flushing anti's out from behind some bins, running screaming up thehigh street as i release my Imprint Harpy Eagle for a sprinting flight from the fist!! :P

The jinks and ducks of them screaming in the distance. :twisted:

You know me boys! bird fed up on first kill, student from London! i'll only let her have some thigh meat cause this one looks diseased, got acne and hasnt had a wash for months :lol: :lol:

Oh well, back to reality.

[Beau FlyOver]

" I decided long ago that sex and hunting are the oldest of instincts.When they manage to ban the former,I'll agree to them suppressing the latter"
John Darling {Airgun Hunter ) 8)

[Coedhirion]

Poor little fox probably has a better chance of escape than a pointed partridge under a good game hawk and deffinitely better chance than a bunny under my Harris. Plus it dies quicker if caught and is far less scared!!! So do i give up hunting bunny too ....never!!
Trained Rottweiller flushing anti's out from behind some bins, running screaming up thehigh street as i release my Imprint Harpy Eagle for a sprinting flight from the fist!! Varmint .....I have an even better picture, tie little fluffy white bunny tails on anti's back sides, then let the birds go !! maybe a bit of Heinz ketchup too :lol: :rolleyes:
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[Gozzhawk]

Thank you that man. best post I've seen to date.
There is a very deep philosophical argument(discussion) just around the corner , on the one hand we have realistic people who have grown up living in a world where you do everything within the law, on the other you have people who think that their beliefs are correct even if that contradicts the law. the only way we will survive as a community (hunters) is by educating people as to the reality of multinational companies raping the planet and selling you cheap food that wastes your childrens insides before they reach puberty. The specifics are too much to mention but you can bet that my hawk caught food is cleaner than ANYTHING in a supermarket, maybe that is the tack we should follw??

[GDN]

Like i have said before we are all ambassadors for our sport. For some it is a passion for others a way of life. When out in the field we must always conduct our selves in a proper and professional manner and maybe also try and be a bit discreet in what we do. I don't mean hide away but at the same time i don't mean in your face. We can't give the antis any ammunition.

As for using an eagle at a fox hunt - that's a bit like putting a spot light on falconry and the antis will look at that loop hole and lobby the government to close it. Then we could end up in fight for our sports survival.

The antis have a warped idea on things. I was watching a TV program on the eve of the so called ban coming into effect in England and they had a master of the hunt from somewhere down in the Scottish Borders and some anti on. The presenter asked if they thought the ban in Scotland had been successful. The master of the hunt said "no as they were now killing more foxes now that they were before The ban". The anti said "yes" but when pressed by the presenter as to how that was because more foxes were being killed now. All she could come up with was that at least they weren't being killed by the hounds.

I thought they wanted to save the fox. All they have managed to do is make the hunts more efficient so that it is not only the weak, the sick and stupid that get caught but the fit and strong who get killed as well.

[GDN]

The antis are always looking at our forum why don't we look at their's. Does anybody know of any good antis forums which we could view and maybe tell them that they dont't hve F***ing clue what they are on about and to go to hugging trees

[Goldie]

I thought they wanted to save the fox. All they have managed to do is make the hunts more efficient so that it is not only the weak, the sick and stupid that get caught but the fit and strong who get killed as well.

Good point mate

[Coedhirion]

They have managed to cause the fox a lot more suffering.. the local farm stores cant keep up with the demand for snares, not for rabbit but for fox, plus any thing else that gets caught in that horrid wire loop!!! To die a horid death as food for something else, like crows, (is it ok for a murder of crows to eat a fox, but not pack of hounds to kill it!!!???)
The other sale is of course poison. The fox dies plus every other animal or bird that eats the carcase...a slow lingering death!! around here we have just got the red kite back ...ah well they call it progress, if your an anti........red kites eat carrion ie dead animals !!!!

[Mr. Twinkie]

NO NO NO in my view its a bad move for falconry as it brings us IMMEDIATELY into the firing line

falconry IS already in the firing line.....this animal welfare bill is 2 be passed by the end of the year, and as it is it will do serious damage 2 falconry.....just 1 of the items states that birds of prey can only be tethered for a maximun of 3hrs a day, and has 2 be freelofted rest of the time.....am sure u can image how problematic tht will cause sum birds 2 become......i knw your thinking, well they'll never police it...the rspca is employing another 2500 staff in light of the new bill, and the rspca never did like us. We re not getting a full on frontal attact like the foxhunting, wer getting a sneaky attack from behind, and its happening right now.

[Bubo]

I thought they wanted to save the fox. All they have managed to do is make the hunts more efficient so that it is not only the weak, the sick and stupid that get caught but the fit and strong who get killed as well.

excellent point made there!!

as for poisoning!! well it is amazing just how many animals die because of one animal poisoned. The chain is so very long becasue it does not just limit itself to secondary poisoning it goes on and on. I dont agree on hounds getting hold of the fox but i find it much more humane for the fox to be shot than what the anti's have in store for them. The antis should focus more on more serious matters such as the seal clubbing than genuine fox control over here.

and varmint, what are you like :lol: :lol: :lol:
bubo

[Beau FlyOver]

Well said Mr Twinkie, Blair and the anti's think they are on some kind of moral crusade to purge the country of anything they see fit.The hunting ban got in because the government has a loophole allowing it to run roughshod over the house of lords if they don't do as they are told ( which smacks of big brother dictatorship).They are coming after us; after that it will be shooting,fishing and anything else they see fit.
Some bright spark will say that eating meat is animal cruelty and I will have to live off of nut cutlets and lettuce for the rest of my natural. :vom:
All hunters must stick together or we will end up playing indoor bowls for entertainment.

[Dude]

Hi I am Hungarian falconer, and I already saw some succesfull fox hunts with golden eagles. They do not scared even from large dogs, the eagles can kill them, and foxes too...I saw a Capreolus capreolus buck
(I donno the english name of them....) hunt, a kazakhstani womens female golden catch one on a hare hunt at a meeting some years ago :) the buck running out of the cornfield to an open area and the eagle grab it on the head, it was beautiful :) In Kazakhstan falconers catch wolfs with their eagles, I heard about they was catch snowleopards in the past with them(I dont see it just heard the stories from there...), so if the eagle can grab the head of a large canine type animal its no problem to kill it...

[Dude]

In one case lol the eagle attacked me, I want to get the rabbits run out from the grass to the open area for my friend eagle :D:D:D:D so they can be veryvery aggressive :D:D:D The bird make 3-4stoops to me, when the bird try to catch me I lie on the ground in the right/last minute before she catch, than her keeper can call of the bird, it was a hard day....

[Dude]

sorry for my english...its a too long message :D:D:D:D:D

[Beau FlyOver]

does anyone really think that if falconry cowers in the background we will be over looked ? :roll:

[The Badgers Nadgers]

it's all well and good getting on our soapboxes spouting on about wrongs and rights of the various animal welfare issues included any current or pending legislation but whats the bottom line?????
Well in my humble opinion the bottom line is...
Spout all you like, but one day some git in a suit, with an ego the size of the millenium dome is gonna come along and use the soapboxes as firewood and ban what the hell he or she likes.
And always remember, you are an easier target on a high horse.

[Coedhirion]

well its just nature..all my dogs past & present hate foxes. They were never 'trained' or encouraged. even my 1st year male Harris dislikes 'red' dogs and flew a fox one day, hanging on to its head for quite a few yards!!! They can try to ban what they like, but what I do on my own property or my 'friends' should be up to me unless they can prove intended cruelty. If wild birds of prey can kill then why not 'borrowed' from the wild birds hunt with a human.

[Goran]

Bubo, seal hunting is managing natural resources.The same as colecting berries.It is done fast and efficiently.This guys are professionals and waist no time. Baby seals have no fear and there is no sufering.Less than when a ferret is hanging on a rabbit, harris on a hare or gos on a pheasant.Anyway, we should stick together and protect our rights with reasonable and scientific arguments..

[Beau FlyOver]

If anyone is that against falconry associating itself with fox hunting, then make sure you tell all the people that bring their hounds to the falconers fair that they are not welcome, as they give us a bad name.

[Coedhirion]

Its all country persuits. not sure that too many people are that worried that fox hunting will give falconry a bad name. I think it was the media picking up on something.. it will be up to how falconers show off the art to the general public that will count. If you go around brandishing the dear little bunnies all covered with blood, and emphasising the blood, gore etc. you will upset people..thats for sure. Even a Harris dosnt cause that nuch blood if you get there quick. A Gos just plumes the thing for ages. Advertise the delight of seing a bird flying. As for crows and squirrel I'm not sure they attract as many fans, not many people keep them as pets in the gardeb for the kids!!! :lol: