Rufina my bat falcon.

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

This is my imprint female bat falcon with a bat freshly hunted.
Regards and good hawking.
JLG

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

orale ,, that thing is beautiful,,
does she just take off chasing bats?
ive had my peregrine chase bats like that, when i am casting her off in the evening,, but she never has caught one,,

[Grey_Squirrel_Hawker]

wow what a beautiful falcon! ive seen pictures and footage of them but never realised how small they were! what a stunner!

[TinvinPeregrine]

stunner:heart:

[Alf]

Well this is a lovely little falcon do you hunt only bats? Alf.

[Gyr]

Cracking little falcon.:supz:

[SparkleBee]

A beautiful and fascinating little falcon! Does she hunt only bats? How do you you go about hawking them? Got any video of her hunting? I would love to hear more about her.

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

This falcon is one of the fastest in the world ,Bat falcons are very aerial they only try to make prey in middle air.
Rufina also hunt sparrows and small doves.

[SparkleBee]

Thank you Jose for posting these pictures of your stunning falcon. Did you breed her yourself? What kind of weight is she flying at?

[Shungar]

Jose what a stunning falcon!,do you breed these fantastic falcons?.

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Thank you Jose for posting these pictures of your stunning falcon. Did you breed her yourself? What kind of weight is she flying at?This falcon was breed in the wild ,but I took her very joung to start a hybrid breeding proyect.Right know shes fying between 148grms and 160grms ,it depends of the kind of quarry we will be able to hunt that day.In this picture I show how the bat falcon gets on a stoop chaising small doves.

[Shungar]

This falcon was breed in the wild ,but I took her very joung to start a hybrid breeding proyect

Jose will you breed pure Bat Falcons and not just hybrid's?.
Regards
Rob

[David Rampling]

WOW! I would sell my grandmother to see one of those little beautys fly!

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Jose will you breed pure Bat Falcons and not just hybrid's?.
Regards
RobHere in Peru Jose Otero breeds many kinds of neotropical birds of prey icluding bat falcons.
regards and good hawking.
JLG

[SparkleBee]

Jose will you breed pure Bat Falcons and not just hybrid's?.
Regards
Rob

Jose, which species will you hybridize with the Bat Falcons, and why?

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Jose, which species will you hybridize with the Bat Falcons, and why?I will hybridize bat and casinni peregrine ,to make bigger the bat, and try to have more direct speed on the peregrine.

[Sprout]

Stunning - gorgeous little falcon. WANT ONE!!:supz:

[Cassini]

Jose, what a beautiful falcon, I remember seeing one at a californian meet
but never saw it fly. simply stunning thanks for posting

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Thats just eye candy!
What an amazingly looking little bird, would love to see one in real life.
I used to think the aplomados were amazing but this is even better!!

[JoHo]

You seem to like the extremes Jose Luis, Female Harpy to Bat falcon....:supz:

Nice bird.

Johann

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

You seem to like the extremes Jose Luis, Female Harpy to Bat falcon....:supz:

Nice bird.

JohannHi Joho ,I'am always looking for extremes:supz:But I prefer falcons.

[Lenka]

SHE IS GORGEOUS AND AWESOME:heart:
great great little falcon:heart:

[Austringer84]

Awsome little bird. would love to hear mroe of your successes.

Si

[Mark Collins]

Great looking little falcon.

[TLDWB]

Stunning bird Jose, never tire of seeing pictures of that falcon:supz:

Tom

[Turumti]

Jose,

How do these bat falcons compare to aplos? Are they as courageous?

Regards,

Salman

[FredrickFogg]

Jose,

Beautiful little falcon! There were a few flown here in the states years ago, but I am not sure if anyone is flying them now. I would love to fly one, how would you compare them to a merlin?

Thanks for posting the pictures,

[JayInOz]

WOW! I would sell my grandmother to see one of those little beautys fly!

I'm considering it David but I'd need to see pictures of the old girl first thanks mate. :-D

Jose how critical is weight control with your little falcon? Is she temperamental? Jay (InOz).

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Jose,

Beautiful little falcon! There were a few flown here in the states years ago, but I am not sure if anyone is flying them now. I would love to fly one, how would you compare them to a merlin?

Thanks for posting the pictures,Fred Bat falcons have more speed in direct fly than Merlins.They fly like swifs,the only problem I have is whe it pursues not nailed in the bushes behind the prey.Merlin does.
regards and good hawking.
JLG

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Jose,

How do these bat falcons compare to aplos? Are they as courageous?

Regards,

Salman
No realy aplomados are one of the courageous falcon in the world.Bats not like to hunt nothing bigger than a small pigions or sparrows.

REgards
JLG.

[David Rampling]

When the falcon catches a bat, do they come straight to the ground? or fly off some way and have to be tracked?

[David Rampling]

No realy aplomados are one of the courageous falcon in the world.Bats not like to hunt nothing bigger than a small pigions or sparrows.

REgards
JLG.

Did that Aplo really catch that cock pheasant?

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Did that Aplo really catch that cock pheasant?Hi David,ofcourse the aplo took the pheasant.
If you don't belive me just look at this picture.
My bat falcon comes to my glove when she hunts a bat or a sparrow.
regards.
JLG.

[David Rampling]

Wow, that really is punching above your weight! now I really want one!!

[David Rampling]

I had no idea they took stuff that big.

[Stu Bailey]

Falconry as it should be..

















An Art.......

[John Beaumont]

Didn't know you had pheasants over there. Please can you train some to migrate this way? They should turn right between Acre and Rondônia and keep going ´til they see the forest give way to soybeans.

[David Rampling]

That is quality, I am amazed,....I had no idea, wow!...

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

I know from a friend that one female aplmado took a Canadian goose in the US.
Regards and good hawking
JLG.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

thanks for showing these pictures,,
great stuff

[Aerialhunter]

Awesome! Must be very exciting to watch the hunt because bats have such erratic flight patterns. I bet it's a real treat. You ought to video tape a kill.

Thanks for sharing that with us.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

im saving these photos,(the first 2 of the bat falcons)
would it be alright if i commission some sketches or paintings?
sammy holloway
southern california

[Hatchero]

Bat falcons are a pretty cool falcon and have been the subject of some of my attention over the years. for a bird that is so capable they have been, for the most part, a great frustration for me and a few of my friends over the last many years. i suspect that some of the problem stems from the climate of the northern US, it is not suitable for some tropical falcons. this idea comes up short when you take into account some of the experiences of people that are experienced small falcon fliers in temperate climates that have tried BFs and did not have any sort of good results. for myself, i tried a half dozen or so BFs (chamber raised, imprints males, females) trying every sort of combination except trapped birds. out of all the Bfs i have tired i had one good one and that was a chamber raised female that did not start until the following spring. most folks that get one only do it once and move on. Bfs are very fast in straight flight and stoop with great style. the down side is that they like bugs a lot and they need to be at deaths door to really fly difficult quarry well(read small birds). as with many "wierd" birds flown in non native environments, Bfs attract other raptors like flies to SH**. the best Bf i had was killed by a wild peregrine . i gave my breeder birds away years ago with the idea that BFs are not suitable for most falconers. At the risk of starting a whole nother thread i would go on to say that Bfs and probably Orange breasted falcons seem to me to be quite a long way from other falcons on the evolutionary scale. the BFs and OBs have a number of ,sometimes subtle, behavioral and morphological oddities that make me think that they are not on the beaten path of other falcons and may only be distantly related to other modern falcons. I am glad to hear that some folks are doing well with the BFs but if they are a dream come true why make hybrids? by the way, a few peregrine/ BF hybrids were made here in the US a few years back . i think they did not stick around for more than two weeks after being flown for the first time, in any case and were 100% lost before they had caught any sort of wild quarry. i sure hope that others are able to do better than me and my small group of friends were able to with the BFs because they are certainly full of capability.
Jim

[Raptoria]

Jose Luis,
Can you tell us more about Rufina?
We had flown some BFs here in Mexico, but not easy to hawk with them. Last season Virgilio Dominguez was flying a stunning little tiercel, that early in the season start chassing some birds.

You own a pretty fancy falcon!

Congrats.:supz:

Carlos.

[Raptoria]

Jim,
Do you have any photo of those peregrine X BF ? How they look and perform?

B.R

Carlos.

[Hatchero]

i do not have any photos, that i can think of, as it was before digital cameras were as common as today. i probably could come up with some pics however. i can say that the batfalcon/peregrine hybrids look an awful lot like the orangebreasted falcon/peregrine hybrids though the BF hybrids were not sluggish like the OB hybrids.
jim

[Sophie]

that is an absolutely stunning little falcon!! :heart:
happy hunting with her!!
atb
sophie

[Raptoria]

i do not have any photos, that i can think of, as it was before digital cameras were as common as today. i probably could come up with some pics however. i can say that the batfalcon/peregrine hybrids look an awful lot like the orangebreasted falcon/peregrine hybrids though the BF hybrids were not sluggish like the OB hybrids.
jim

Jim,
Thanks for your prompt answer, but I cant understand the last part.
You mention, that BF X Peregrine, looks like an OBF right? And then you mention about ""peregrine hybrids X BF hybrids and OBF hybrids""?, Thats what I dont understand. Please, can you help me a bit?

Carlos.

[Dude]

I really like to know more about the "unknown treatsures" of falconry!

Really interesting thread!

Dan.

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Bat falcons are a pretty cool falcon and have been the subject of some of my attention over the years. for a bird that is so capable they have been, for the most part, a great frustration for me and a few of my friends over the last many years. i suspect that some of the problem stems from the climate of the northern US, it is not suitable for some tropical falcons. this idea comes up short when you take into account some of the experiences of people that are experienced small falcon fliers in temperate climates that have tried BFs and did not have any sort of good results. for myself, i tried a half dozen or so BFs (chamber raised, imprints males, females) trying every sort of combination except trapped birds. out of all the Bfs i have tired i had one good one and that was a chamber raised female that did not start until the following spring. most folks that get one only do it once and move on. Bfs are very fast in straight flight and stoop with great style. the down side is that they like bugs a lot and they need to be at deaths door to really fly difficult quarry well(read small birds). as with many "wierd" birds flown in non native environments, Bfs attract other raptors like flies to SH**. the best Bf i had was killed by a wild peregrine . i gave my breeder birds away years ago with the idea that BFs are not suitable for most falconers. At the risk of starting a whole nother thread i would go on to say that Bfs and probably Orange breasted falcons seem to me to be quite a long way from other falcons on the evolutionary scale. the BFs and OBs have a number of ,sometimes subtle, behavioral and morphological oddities that make me think that they are not on the beaten path of other falcons and may only be distantly related to other modern falcons. I am glad to hear that some folks are doing well with the BFs but if they are a dream come true why make hybrids? by the way, a few peregrine/ BF hybrids were made here in the US a few years back . i think they did not stick around for more than two weeks after being flown for the first time, in any case and were 100% lost before they had caught any sort of wild quarry. i sure hope that others are able to do better than me and my small group of friends were able to with the BFs because they are certainly full of capability.
JimHi Jim ,the big problem is that I find Bts are not easy to make them hunt.They like to hunt in middle air Like the Obf,the falconer must to learn to hunt with them.Bts are very fast but they only are looking for birds that's flys up.When a bird hide in cover bfs reffuse to go after it.My bat is always looking for a bird in the open sky.The idea to make a hybrid is to make bigger the Bat falcon and prevent to be attack from biggers falcons or hawks,Here I have problems with harris and peregines,maybe is tha black color of it ,and to gets the best skills of both birds.I know it souds that this breed will bring something similar to the orange breasted falcon ,but we dont have many to fly here,is a very rare falcon to find .In all my life I only have 3,thats one of the important reason to make a hybrid.
Regards.
JLG.

[Hatchero]

Jim,
Thanks for your prompt answer, but I cant understand the last part.
You mention, that BF X Peregrine, looks like an OBF right? And then you mention about ""peregrine hybrids X BF hybrids and OBF hybrids""?, Thats what I dont understand. Please, can you help me a bit?

Carlos.
what i was trying to say was that the batfalcon/peregrine hybrid looks very similar to the orange breasted falcon/peregrine hybrids (almost exactly the same look) the orange breasted falcon/peregrine hybrids proved to be very sluggish and not satisfactory falconry birds for here in Idaho. the Batfalcon/peregrine hybrids were all lost very quickly by the guys that were flying them so none got much experience with them and not caught any game. i think in all cases of these hybrids (both OB and BF/peregrine) they showed little inclination to wait on but were rether better at direct pursuit.

[Jonnieboy]

stunning bird!

[Raptoria]

Jim,
Now its clear for me.


Thanks for the explanation!

B.R

Carlos.

[Raseni]

absolutely beautiful!!!!

stunning little falcon, really!

cheers
Rasmus

[Arsalan]

beautifull little falcon u got there mate....are they smaller than the merlins? or same size?

[Jose Luis Gagliardi]

Hi ,here is Rufina with Sparrow (american sparrow)she took yesterday.
Bat falcons are almost the same size of a merlin ,maybe a little smaller.
Regards and good hawking.
JLG

[LanczSpringer]

Wow stunning photos and a great thread!!

how about a BF x aplomado :supz:

Ant

[NGuruve]

speedy lil ******s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQdLO_Urni8

[Conni L.]

Awesome ! :supz:

[Femoralis]

Bravo, Negro ¡¡¡¡

Un saludo FF