Tribrids

[Ben Offerein]

has anyone flown barberry/ gyr/ prairie or red naped shaneen/ gyr/ prairie tribrids

[Mark Collins]

Its unlikly , as gyr/prairie females ,like gyr/peregrines dont lay eggs,mark.

[Ben Offerein]

what about a gyr/ prairie teirsal bred to a female barbary or red naped shaheen

[Ben Offerein]

is anyone going to answer

[SharpTail]

I can't see using a gyr/prairie but could understand putting gyr/ barb or gyr/rns into a female prairie. Has anyone done this?

[Ben Offerein]

The only reason that I asked this is that from what i have read about the three species they each have good things about them. I think that if you put them together you would get the size and strength of the gyr the aggressiveness at game of the prairie and the high pitches of the Barbary but then again you could get the impatientness of the gyr and the bad altitude of the prairie and the small size of the Barbary if it turned out the first way it would be a great game falcon but if it turned out the second way it would be horrible.

[SharpTail]

Ben,
The gyr/prairie has been well tried and has been found to have a much worse attitude than the prairie. I have flown a few. They can fly quite nicely but in my book are a reject for there temperment. They still have a small following here in the US.

A better option with egg laying prairies may be to make gyr/peregrine tribreds out of them if you don't want to make streight prairies. The peregrine/prairie is a nice hawk also, often flying better than the average prairie.

[Ben Offerein]

Would you compare a prairies temperament with a coopers hawk or are they worse.

[SharpTail]

Apples and Oranges. I would suggest a passage in either instance as far as temperment is concerned. Passage Coopers do require some considerable level of skill!

[Ben Offerein]

Just so you know I am a twelve year old that is starting falconry soon and am trying to learn as much as I can about raptors of all kinds. Thats why I am asking so many questions on the IFF.

[Bazzer]

Good on yer Ben. Endeavour to be the best!
Bazzer

[HaggisHawker]

Given the variation we all see between hawks from within one species, how can anyone claim that there are characteristics specific to a 'tribrid'? Except of course that they take three perfectly-adapted forms and mess them up into a mish-mash. Think of all the important traits that we consider in a good hawk and that they must be balanced to achieve a successful individual: tribrids won't match important things like flying style with feather structure, aggression with strength and speed, skeletal structure with muscle physiology, disease resistance with dietary preference, air sac structure with oxygen consumption etc etc etc etc. Hybrid vigour eh?

[SharpTail]

Given the variation we all see between hawks from within one species, how can anyone claim that there are characteristics specific to a 'tribrid'? Except of course that they take three perfectly-adapted forms and mess them up into a mish-mash. Think of all the important traits that we consider in a good hawk and that they must be balanced to achieve a successful individual: tribrids won't match important things like flying style with feather structure, aggression with strength and speed, skeletal structure with muscle physiology, disease resistance with dietary preference, air sac structure with oxygen consumption etc etc etc etc. Hybrid vigour eh?

Your points are well taken!

No one is saying that hybreds will survive to become wild species. All of hybreds that come to mind were developed for falconry. Given a choice I will choose the purebred when peregrines and gyrs are concerned. I also do not breed raptors, I just hunt with them. Hybreds are a circumstance of modern falconry and cannot be ignored or wished away.

[Cassini]

Just so you know I am a twelve year old that is starting falconry soon and am trying to learn as much as I can about raptors of all kinds. Thats why I am asking so many questions on the IFF.

There's no crime in that mate, Ask away!! The down side is filtering the good answers from the bad.

This you'll have to figure out on your own.!

And tri breds are a long way off for you I would imagine. so i wouldn't worry too much about
it at the moment. Learn the ropes with a mentor and then you can make your own
choices when your ready. Good to be at least thinking about it though.
I remember dreaming of flying any falcon, kestrel ,you name it and now I'm looking to fly
my sixth large falcon after fifteen years of flying falcons.

As far as Tribreds with Prairie in them not had any experience although saw a
very good Gyrx Lanner x Prairie flown in Idaho . Very high flyer and very agressive.
but in my opinion no better than any Gyr x Pere or straight Peregrine in the right
hands . Just my opinion .

Good luck with it all anyhow .