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what would be the likley outcome of a lanneret slipped at bolt magpies at range.
i dont mean magpie hawking in a traditional sense, with repeated flushes.
the reason im enquiring is that the two falconers i know who regularly hunt with lannerets. use them in the style of sparrowhawks.
i will be the first to admit its not the most glamourous of flight could it add another dimension to a maligned species?
Stu Bailey
02-05-2008, 03:28 PM
Hello Sean
Cant comment on the "off the fist part"
But i no Lanners have to be 1 of the most underused and underated Falcon's in this country regarding them flying at quarry.
My friend had an excellent teircel,the 1st quarry it caught was a Teal.
It would be up for over 90 mins at a time,3 hours once.
It was great at takeing pigeons.
He also had a gorgeous female,he would sometimes fly them in a cast.(i just deleted my last sentance as people will think im telling porkies about cast flying a certain quarry and working as a team)
This is not a wind up..
All the best
Stu..
cheers stu.
i know luggers can be utilized this way. and lanners dont seem to much slower of the fist than them...
im loving the way only die hard gos lads are posting on this thread!!!!:supz:
Rex06
02-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I'm still asking myself would a reasonebly sized female be able to get a pheasent or a duck out of the air from off the fist ?
I'm convinced they can do it with a stoop but just not enough people have tried it so there is no proof.
And how would lanners do on crows off the fist in persuit hawking?
All questions that i don't know the answer off but i hope to find out soon enough
friendly greetzz
female would be too small for pheasant. uk weathers a problem to.
they make crackin partridge birds.
are they gamey enough for crows? doubt it...
but i recon a magpie would be a within a lanners capability.
Stu Bailey
02-05-2008, 05:19 PM
are they gamey enough for crows? doubt it...
There was an artical not long ago in the Falconers mag about a Female Lanner flown at crows...
Not a massive bag if i recall but flew them very well...
Atb..
GoneHawking
09-05-2008, 06:34 PM
female would be too small for pheasant. uk weathers a problem to.
they make crackin partridge birds.
are they gamey enough for crows? doubt it...
but i recon a magpie would be a within a lanners capability.
I doubt a female would be to small, after all a tiercel pere will take both pheasant and grouse, probably down to the indiviual bird and the conditioning of easy birds to start. They would certainly make great partridge hawks, thier love of doves would stem from taking the mourning dove in it's natural state, maybe collard doves would make a good quarry for a lannerette, there is plenty of the bloomin things about.
Mark
a lanner falcon would be sorely outmatched by a pheasant.
certainly the ones i have seen 1lb 8 oz and 1lb 9oz would bounce of them.
that said though they are brilliant birds at partridge.
also. mourning doves are a north american species, lanners dont live in north america!!!!:rolleyes:
collard doves would be great fun with a little lanneret.
Steven
11-05-2008, 12:06 PM
[QUOTE=ShortWinger;810354]Hello Sean
Cant comment on the "off the fist part"
But i no Lanners have to be 1 of the most underused and underated Falcon's in this country regarding them flying at quarry
we have the same problem here in South Africa. They are most underated, as is the African Goshawk. Lanners are able to take a wide range of quarry, including duck. Most SA falconers suffer from peregrinitus!
GoneHawking
11-05-2008, 09:04 PM
a lanner falcon would be sorely outmatched by a pheasant.
certainly the ones i have seen 1lb 8 oz and 1lb 9oz would bounce of them.
that said though they are brilliant birds at partridge.
also. mourning doves are a north american species, lanners dont live in north america!!!!:rolleyes:
collard doves would be great fun with a little lanneret.
Sorry I meant laughing dove.
Mark
Bateleur
08-07-2008, 09:22 AM
a lanner falcon would be sorely outmatched by a pheasant.
certainly the ones i have seen 1lb 8 oz and 1lb 9oz would bounce of them.
that said though they are brilliant birds at partridge.
also. mourning doves are a north american species, lanners dont live in north america!!!!:rolleyes:
collard doves would be great fun with a little lanneret.
Just a quick correction-Mourning doves as well as laughing doves are plentiful here in SA, home of the lanner.
:rolleyes:Just a quick correction-Mourning doves as well as laughing doves are plentiful here in SA, home of the lanner.
just an even quicker correction we were referring to north america!!!
Bateleur
08-07-2008, 01:23 PM
:rolleyes:
just an even quicker correction we were referring to north america!!!
if i remeber correctly it was said that morning doves are a north american species and lanners don't live in north america, well mourning doves are also an african species hence the correction, anyway pretty inconsequential either way.
What makes you say a lanner would not be able to take a pheasant, in your opinion is it their size or are they just not a rapacious as a pere.
Bluejay
08-07-2008, 05:08 PM
Lanners can and do take pheasant. However the larger peregrine types here will find it easier to handle a cock pheasant. Off the subject a little, lanners are fairly sociable falcons and should be flown in a cast to get the best out of them. The problem here is that a captive bred lanner requires far more skill from the falconer to get them hunting properly than the average peregrine. The lanner, however is much easier to train in the early stages. thus many people here use them as there first longwing and are rarely flown to their full potential. Also the weather here, it makes it difficult to fly a number of great hawk speices not just lanners. Come and live in england for a bit and you will realize how spoiled you are for living in africa as for as falconry is concerned. I can't think of a hawk anywhere that can't be succesfully flown in South Africa. Also no one here would have had the opportunity to fly a passage lanner and thats in a class of its own.:supz:
if i remeber correctly it was said that morning doves are a north american species and lanners don't live in north america, well mourning doves are also an african species hence the correction, anyway pretty inconsequential either way.
What makes you say a lanner would not be able to take a pheasant, in your opinion is it their size or are they just not a rapacious as a pere.
personally i feel lanners are far too small for pheasant.
but in the uk theres a whole load of variables that come into play. cold wet weather and damp seem to ake the edge of a lanners performance.
many have questioned the lanners mindset too.
they are however brilliant birds at smaller game and also probably the most "controlable of falcons"
Bateleur
09-07-2008, 07:28 AM
I am busy training a greater kestrel but in 2 months or so i will move on to my next bird. My options are an African Gos or a lanner, i have access to plenty of land where i live and quarry so that is not a problem, i know it's obviously a personal choice but any advice on which i should go for? Pro's and con's of each? thanks a lot.
AdeyHawk1970
09-07-2008, 07:52 AM
I am busy training a greater kestrel but in 2 months or so i will move on to my next bird. My options are an African Gos or a lanner, i have access to plenty of land where i live and quarry so that is not a problem, i know it's obviously a personal choice but any advice on which i should go for? Pro's and con's of each? thanks a lot.
If i lived in SA i would have both:-D:-D
AdeyHawk1970
09-07-2008, 12:28 PM
[quote=ShortWinger;810354]Hello Sean
Cant comment on the "off the fist part"
But i no Lanners have to be 1 of the most underused and underated Falcon's in this country regarding them flying at quarry
we have the same problem here in South Africa. They are most underated, as is the African Goshawk. Lanners are able to take a wide range of quarry, including duck. Most SA falconers suffer from peregrinitus!
Is peregrinitus similar to the UK disease goshawkitus:lol::lol:
Bluejay
09-07-2008, 01:33 PM
I am busy training a greater kestrel but in 2 months or so i will move on to my next bird. My options are an African Gos or a lanner, i have access to plenty of land where i live and quarry so that is not a problem, i know it's obviously a personal choice but any advice on which i should go for? Pro's and con's of each? thanks a lot.
Both are excellent hawks and a pleasure to fly. If it was me I'd go with the Af gos first. Both are easy to train but hunting a af gos is far more straight forward than a lanner. Especially if you have no experience with either falcons or shortwings. There is just more to take in to consideration when flying a longwing. But if also depends on your situation. You say you have plenty of land, but is it suitable for longwings? What quarry do you intend to fly at and how do you want to hawk your lanner? Is it a passage lanner or capitive bred? Does you sponsor fly longwings and will he/she be able to guide you through the process. Do you have a working dog for game hawking? Do you have telemetry? Longwings are generally more expensive to keep than a shortwing. It can be a long process and more skill involved to get a lanner flying and hunting the way you want it to. A af gos you will have hunting and killing fairly soon. Are you a patient person or do you seek quick results? As you can see the pro's and con's are hard to define as both hawks are great to fly and they get better year by year. It just depends on your knowledge, who is helping you, your situation and the type of person you are.
Anyway best of luck whatever your choice and goo hawking:)
Bateleur
16-07-2008, 02:49 PM
Both are excellent hawks and a pleasure to fly. If it was me I'd go with the Af gos first. Both are easy to train but hunting a af gos is far more straight forward than a lanner. Especially if you have no experience with either falcons or shortwings. There is just more to take in to consideration when flying a longwing. But if also depends on your situation. You say you have plenty of land, but is it suitable for longwings? What quarry do you intend to fly at and how do you want to hawk your lanner? Is it a passage lanner or capitive bred? Does you sponsor fly longwings and will he/she be able to guide you through the process. Do you have a working dog for game hawking? Do you have telemetry? Longwings are generally more expensive to keep than a shortwing. It can be a long process and more skill involved to get a lanner flying and hunting the way you want it to. A af gos you will have hunting and killing fairly soon. Are you a patient person or do you seek quick results? As you can see the pro's and con's are hard to define as both hawks are great to fly and they get better year by year. It just depends on your knowledge, who is helping you, your situation and the type of person you are.
Anyway best of luck whatever your choice and goo hawking:)
Thanks, I am patient and think that training a lanner might be far more rewarding once achieved? Tim Wagner is always willing to help and he seems to be renouned here for being top with longwings, my mentor Brian flies shortwings and he is also very knowledgeable and always extremely helpful, every falconer i have met here has really been super helpful in the past couple of months, so help seems readily available considering how few falconers we have here. i will be getting telem irrespective of next bird. I don't unfortunately have a working dog. (essential for lanner?) so ease of training, patience and time is not my large concern. I'd probably hunt doves with lanner, probably not game birds due to dog. but af gos seems great to. i met a guy who flies both so i reckon i will also chat to him a bit, thanks again, both seem great birds, but maybe i should start with go then move on to lanner when more experienced, thoughts....
stu
that was me! i wrote the article about xena the lanner falcon in the falconers mag ahhh the power of the press???
BladeRunner
14-11-2008, 05:17 AM
Flew a small lannerette in 1996 - 1998 at button quail off the fist. Had some really spectacular flights. But must admit that it could not be done without a pointer. He was caught and eaten by a Wahlbergs in 98.
I use my tiercel and female too out of the hood! They were fantastic!
The tiercels longest pursuit was 2 hours high in the sky! He killed a tiercel common buzzard while the buzzard wanna steal his pigeon on the ground! He was used on Turdus species... He was killed by a whild gos :( The female was used on starlings and caught they pretty easy... She was died in cancer.
Anyway they are not peregrines as the hhs are not goses, but it would be an error to compare birds to each other in serious way!
Rex06
14-11-2008, 11:56 AM
so if understand correctly u used a female lanner to hunt starlings ?
How did this work u drove around in ur car and when u spotted a flock u threw her out of the car window or does it work different?
Sounds bloddy great fun and it should work also with a male ?
And how would a female/male lanner work on woodpigeons when biking or out of the hood when driving around?
I am hoping to breed lanners next year. And i am still thinking of what to do with the young. I want to keep one but would i take male imprint or a female parent reared and after all, would i hunt it on something or not , and if i hunt it on what. I would love a waiting on falcon. I just can decide.
greetzz
Taita
14-11-2008, 12:08 PM
I am busy training a greater kestrel but in 2 months or so i will move on to my next bird. My options are an African Gos or a lanner, i have access to plenty of land where i live and quarry so that is not a problem, i know it's obviously a personal choice but any advice on which i should go for? Pro's and con's of each? thanks a lot.
Get an Afgos and get a feel for hunting (and killing) with a hawk. Based on your experiences with the G. kestrel and afgos, you should be in a position to decide whether you prefer shortwings or longwings and progress accordingly. Although some say the ultimate combination for southern African falconry is a lanner and a black spar. Fly the lanner early, while it is hot, then swap onto the spar later when it gets cooler and the light starts to fail. Just need time and quarry!
so if understand correctly u used a female lanner to hunt starlings ?
How did this work u drove around in ur car and when u spotted a flock u threw her out of the car window or does it work different?
Sounds bloddy great fun and it should work also with a male ?
And how would a female/male lanner work on woodpigeons when biking or out of the hood when driving around?
I am hoping to breed lanners next year. And i am still thinking of what to do with the young. I want to keep one but would i take male imprint or a female parent reared and after all, would i hunt it on something or not , and if i hunt it on what. I would love a waiting on falcon. I just can decide.
greetzz
I used her from the car,but sumtimes I was walking in the grapes and toss her after the flocks.
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