Mexican coastal peale's

[Patxi]

Hello ,my name is Patxi from Spain.
I thought that all the peale's were from the north American coastal,but someone told me about the light,and sand coloured Mexican coastal peale's.
What do you know of these birds about?.
Thanks.
Best regards
Patxi Castañeda

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

Hello ,my name is Patxi from Spain.
I thought that all the peale's were from the north American coastal,but someone told me about the light,and sand coloured Mexican coastal peale's.
What do you know of these birds about?.
Thanks.
Best regards
Patxi Castañeda

i have never heard of such a bird,,but if such a bird exists i would like to see it,,lol
perhaps this story stems from records of migrant peales that were caught or sighted, and recorded by birdwatchers and trappers, in the imperial beach area,(south of) which would barely be in mexico,, there could have been, and still could be some wandering farther south,, i wouldnt dispute it,but i havent heard of any peales being found in the southern range for a very long time,, ( i think it was 1940;s),,
and i am very sure there are peregrine experts who know alot more about this than i do,,,,,

[TiercelR]

- Hello Patxi, greetings from mexico.

- Here don`t are much information about Peales falcons eyres on the sea cost clifts, but I ceirtanly believes (sure) that Peales falcons breeding just in the northern coasts of mexico country in the same manner as doed it commonly here the Anatum falcons in these sea clifts.

- But if I can met enough information about these Peales falcons eyres in mexico, so I will notify you about it news.

- If you wish, you can PM me in spanish idiom.

- Best regards. Roberto.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

i also would like to know any info about this,,
wild peregrines are definatley rampant of the western coast,,,
and i know of several nesting individuals in california that are said to be not anatums,(identified by persons more knowledgable than me,,)however none of them is said to be a peales,,
i did see one in los angeles this past season, that came to look at my brookei weathering in my mothers yard, and i later told my friend it was so large it looked like a peales,, i never thought much about it after that,,

[Brian Sullivan]

Sorry there is not Peales nesting in California or Mexico! What nests there is beautiful Anatums! There are wintering records of birds Peales found as far south as San Diego. This is common knowledge in the Peregrine research community and can be found in the Peregrine study book published by the P-fund in 1986.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

Sorry there is not Peales nesting in California or Mexico! What nests there is beautiful Anatums! There are wintering records of birds Peales found as far south as San Diego. This is common knowledge in the Peregrine research community and can be found in the Peregrine study book published by the P-fund in 1986.

it wasnt in nesting season that i saw the giant bird

[Taiga]

I don't know about any sandy or brown colored Mexican Peales that's the first time I ever heard of such a thing or of a nesting pair of peales , but we do see them every year in Baja California around the migration period. As far as I know the Only place in the entire country where you can see peales once a year. And in regards to the rest of the populatiuon of peregrines in Baja it's well and very healthy. We have tons of them and there a mayor pain in the a"£$%^* when your trying to fly your own birds.

WE do have sevral Anatums nest sights located in Nothern Baja. and they do very well every year. I didn't get this or here this information from a Book , breeder , falconer, bioligist. I live here and I 've seen it with my own eye's. We go religiously every year to check up on them , along with other nest sights that we have located threw the years that belong to other brids from coopers to Golden eagles.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

id say this thread started with sombody kiddin around,, or just plain lyin,,,lol

[Ben Offerein]

The only falcon that I can think of that is sandy brown is the prairie falcon but I don't know much them.

[Hatchero]

to be sure there are no peales nesting in Mexico. in fact, nesting peregrines are somewhat scarce on the pacific side of Baja. the islands in the gulf of california however have quite a few nesting peregirnes. i have seen some peregrines from these islands that are extremely pale--as pale as any tundra i have seen. funny thing is that i have seen two birds from the same brood, one could be very dark and richly colored and its nest mate can be so pale it's hard to believe they are related. if i did not know better i would have thought they were different subspecies--go figure.
Jim

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

to be sure there are no peales nesting in Mexico. in fact, nesting peregrines are somewhat scarce on the pacific side of Baja. the islands in the gulf of california however have quite a few nesting peregirnes. i have seen some peregrines from these islands that are extremely pale--as pale as any tundra i have seen. funny thing is that i have seen two birds from the same brood, one could be very dark and richly colored and its nest mate can be so pale it's hard to believe they are related. if i did not know better i would have thought they were different subspecies--go figure.
Jim

would you liken that to the cassini thing,, light phase darkphase, same nest thing?

[Taiga]

to be sure there are no peales nesting in Mexico. in fact, nesting peregrines are somewhat scarce on the pacific side of Baja. the islands in the gulf of california however have quite a few nesting peregirnes. i have seen some peregrines from these islands that are extremely pale--as pale as any tundra i have seen. funny thing is that i have seen two birds from the same brood, one could be very dark and richly colored and its nest mate can be so pale it's hard to believe they are related. if i did not know better i would have thought they were different subspecies--go figure.
Jim

Which islands in the sea of cortez , North , Central or South just curious.

[Hatchero]

the lightest of all the peregrines from the sea of cortez that i have seen came from El Muerto Island. not a fun place to get to and loaded up with rattle snakes that do not rattle.

[Brian Sullivan]

I believe it was Richard Graham that took birds from Baja and a few lines still exist in the Anatum lines here in the states. They were small in size but the coloring and the full caps were beautiful.

Jim, were you on the Collection when he was able to get the permits to take them.

[Taiga]

the lightest of all the peregrines from the sea of cortez that i have seen came from El Muerto Island. not a fun place to get to and loaded up with rattle snakes that do not rattle.

Very interesting Jim , YIKES!! about the rattle snakes , I would have love to been down there with you at the time to share in the experience. OFF Topic , did you ever make over to Espiruto Santo and see the Black Hares.

I spoke to a fellow Falconer this morning from Nothern California who metioned having about eleven nest sights maped in the sevendys when he was a student up at UCLA. He would come down frequently at the time in search of the locals.

[Taiga]

I believe it was Richard Graham that took birds from Baja and a few lines still exist in the Anatum lines here in the states. They were small in size but the coloring and the full caps were beautiful.

Jim, were you on the Collection when he was able to get the permits to take them.

Brian your absoulutely right about there coloration. the blackest caps I've seen on a anatum , the chest as pinkesh orange as a koho salmon or like the side of a rainbow trout. Altought we've seen individual falcons as big as a large RED Hen. Not too many but we've seen a few.

We have friends , fellow falconers from central Mexico who have come up and seen them and have comented the same about there colors. They think and say they might be a diffrent sub. from the ones they have down there. Any ways who knows.

One thing I'm sure about is there stunnig birds.