Following on

[Kevin Massey]

does any one else let there harrises follow on?.....
does any one think of it as self hunting?...

i fly my birds from the fist, following on, from a tree if we are ferreting on times, on the lamp, well what ever suits the predicument...

as i fly a cast of Harris i find works to let them follow on !!!....but they are under very good control and me personal don't consider them as self hunting .... they are totally focused when i am beating and when ferreting they always know when the ferret goes in and where the best spot is ( more often than not on the fist !!


t-i-a

Kev

[BFC 007]

kev,i let my fhh follow on all the time & as long as i keep her attention on me & whats going on then i agree with you & dont consider it as self-hunting

[Kevin Massey]

i have found it harder to keep there attention when they soar though........
best thing i use is a beating stick ,works a treet.......only regret i have is not working a dog as i find that brilliant (that will be a future project for me)

kev

[Falconer]

does any one else let there harrises follow on?.....
does any one think of it as self hunting?...

i fly my birds from the fist, following on, from a tree if we are ferreting on times, on the lamp, well what ever suits the predicument...

KEV
Before jemma died,
she was following me everywhere and i dare say about 99% of falconers
do the same thing's as you are m8 :wink:
kev.

[Kevin Massey]

Ive always exploited it as one of the attributes of the Harris hawk and flying a cast.

Kev

[Falconer]

I will also have my new female following on as i did before :supz:

[ColdZero]

my FHH harris followed on. I think its only self hunting when they wonder away from you and don't see you as part of the team.
I miss her :(, if i stood still she would know i've seen something, amazing how fast they learn.

[Kevin Massey]

any one flown goshawks in a cast?

kev

[Jay]

Who would bother trying? Good way to loose a bird, the would just rip eachother apart.

Actualy I have never heard of a cast of Gos Hawks, I was ripped on many years ago when I mentioned this idea to a guy with 3 of them. My sponsor how ever many years ago, when he was young and stupid as he put it, flew a cast of 2 Redtails and a Gos. These were birds that were flown off the fist at bunnies for many years. Usaly each faloner would take his turn but somtimes stuff got mixed up. Eventaly all 3 birds could fly the same rabbit. On a kill the Gos would need to be taken off as soon as possable though.

[Afshimo]

Mal flew a cast of red tail's, male an female. Only displays though, and they worked quite well. The female died unfortunatly, and the male is retired.

[Sean]

Ive always exploited it as one of the attributes of the Harris hawk and flying a cast.

Kev
Dave jones and his wife use to fly their gos's as a cast

[Hawkmaster]

Dave Jones and his mate do now too.

[GDN]

I have always encouraged my HH to follow on. I don't even think about getting them entered until they are following on well. I have always looked on it as a great advantage of the HH. My female who i use for hunting is at her best when following on through the tree tops and some of her best and most successful flights have been when she is up in trees. She will sit and wait patiently in a good position for the ferret to do it's stuff and shows no interest in the ferret when it wanders out the warren but if a rabbit comes out she is on a mission in an instant. If i walk through long grass she will sit quite happily on the glove but only if there i no trees.

She does self hunt some times but only because i may of missed something or she has seen something herself but i look on that as a good thing. I know if she does fly away from me it is because she has seen something (after all they say they are meant to have a better eye sight than us) and not because she is messing about. If she misses she generally comes straight back if i whistle at her.

As for a cast of gos hawks. I know a guy who said he flew a cast of male gas hawks. 2 brothers who were imprinted together. Said not much got away from them.

[Kevin Massey]

i know it is done(flying a cast of gosses) i was wondering if anyone on the forum has done it.

im sure this is also covered on the imprint goshawk pt 2 dvd.

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as for following on with harrises i proberbly never doubted it really, i just didnt understand why some one would say i let by birds self hunt........ i spose thats whats good about falconry "each to there own"

kev

[BlackHawke]

i had to compromise with my fhh jade. shes 14 n i got her last year she'd been neglected. i had tried n tried to get her to hunt of the fist but she'd just hang of my fist. well the short of it is that she always flies free n follows on no problems. but i've always got an eye on her. shes no problem at all now and as a consequence she sits much better on the fist now.i've heard somewhere that harris's will naturally follow on when trained

[Hawkmaster]

I have flown Gosses in a cast in South Africa, but they are a different kettle of fish to the Euro birds. :lol:

[Kevin Massey]

Yet Another, Moved From GFT:oops:

[Blaze]

Yet Another, Moved From GFT:oops:


You were busy last night Kev :lol: ......Bless ya!

P.s Lamping tonight 8-)

[MickeyDredd]

Jeez Kev, if you go back any further your gonna edit one of Edmund Bert's posts!!! :roll: :lol:

[Pendleside]

Jeez Kev, if you go back any further your gonna edit one of Edmund Bert's posts!!! :roll: :lol:

mickey.
edmund bert has never posted .:roll:
believed to be "lurking" though.:lol:
pete.

[MickeyDredd]

mickey.
edmund bert has never posted .:roll:
believed to be "lurking" though.:lol:
pete.

Pete

He never posted cos nobody would understand what he had posted...unless Derry translated for him :wink: :lol:

Rgds
Mike

[SSL]

Pete

He never posted cos nobody would understand what he had posted...unless Derry translated for him :wink: :lol:

Rgds
Mike

Or Jack :cool:

[Pendleside]

Pete

He never posted cos nobody would understand what he had posted...unless Derry translated for him :wink: :lol:

Rgds
Mike

mike.
thats a poor excuse for "lurking"
didnt stop the tigster :supz:
pete.:lol:

[SSL]

does any one else let there harrises follow on?.....
does any one think of it as self hunting?...

Yes... and yes.

[Ben C]

Its not self hunting..........when done right its pretty much what they do in the wild. A young nutter to flush the older ones killing.

However I have seen fat hawks wonder off and kill alone, hawks too sharp flying off to the horizon, checking and then killing.........thats self hunting. As long as you or your mutt have flushed it and seen the flight and kill its legit I think???

[SSL]

I suppose it depends on your take really.

I dont mean self hunting as the bird just goes for a jolly and i find her on a kill. I know where your coming from with weight, and even with a hawk bang on and sticking to you and your mutt like glue, if a cock pheasant skulks off 100 yards ahead she'll see it and go for it. Then again, getting a point, checking the birds in a good position and flushing quarry is different again I suppose.

Maybe its not self hunting but it can allow self hunting.

[HawkingSam]

My FHH follows on.

[Kevin Massey]

There can be such a fine line with this i-m-o.

Self hunting for me is when the facloner is no longer part of the equasion when the bird caught what it had

[MarkOfReading]

I have my FHH following on 95% of the time, She uses the height to see a hell of lot more than I ever do hence more kills, she gets more exercise, hence a fitter bird she definately enjoys it more hence a happier bird. It also leaves me two hands free to bash bushes, climb barb wire fences etc and I get to enjoy the countryside more.

[Dan Paradis]

Following on in woods and when I leave the wood patch to get in the open it is coming on a soar overhead. I beleive the birds (HH or RT) are following more of the gsp then me...

I prefer my Goshawks to be flown from the fist.

[Nemesis]

There can be such a fine line with this i-m-o.

Self hunting for me is when the facloner is no longer part of the equasion when the bird caught what it had
hi kev good therad as you knowe Star will follow on hunt from fist and sit in a tree , but you have to take the good with the bad if while she is up a tree she see,s some thing away from were you are you carnt stop them from going some might say this is self hunting,I see it as taking advantage of her position at the top ,and us as being only there flushers , for witch we get to see them fly. but when it hapens it,s a right pain,only sertain way is only fly from fist at what you flush or ferret /dave

[SSL]

I prefer my Goshawks to be flown from the fist.

100% agree :supz:

Anything else is poor in my book.

[Nemesis]

100% agree :supz:

Anything else is poor in my book. Hi Steve do you do the same with your harris or do you fly her diff/ dave

[Leo 1]

does any one else let there harrises follow on?.....
does any one think of it as self hunting?...

i fly my birds from the fist, following on, from a tree if we are ferreting on times, on the lamp, well what ever suits the predicument...

as i fly a cast of Harris i find works to let them follow on !!!....but they are under very good control and me personal don't consider them as self hunting .... they are totally focused when i am beating and when ferreting they always know when the ferret goes in and where the best spot is ( more often than not on the fist !!


t-i-a


Kev
i do m8 fhh wi folow on her oun she will folow me all day

[SSL]

Hi Steve do you do the same with your harris or do you fly her diff/ dave

Anything goes with a Broadwing :yawinkle: , I do like walking moors, and getting points at rabbits from the fist though, same with ferreting.

[Eznugud]

100% agree :supz:

Anything else is poor in my book.

Why?

[SSL]

Why?

Dont wish to sound like a broken record but....

I cant see any pleasure hunting a Goshawk from trees, I got bored watching a HH chase things from trees. The whole reason I fly a Goshawk is to watch her power off the fist at game. I know I'm not a lone in this.

If others get enjoyment watching a Goshawk drop on a rising Pheasant or hitting it in cover, fine and dandy, but to me thats not sport and my reason for flying Goshawks.

I guess its an individual thing,

[Eznugud]

Dont wish to sound like a broken record but....

I cant see any pleasure hunting a Goshawk from trees, I got bored watching a HH chase things from trees. The whole reason I fly a Goshawk is to watch her power off the fist at game. I know I'm not a lone in this.

If others get enjoyment watching a Goshawk drop on a rising Pheasant or hitting it in cover, fine and dandy, but to me thats not sport and my reason for flying Goshawks.

I guess its an individual thing,

You don’t sound like a broken record at all, and I agree it is down to the individual.

I flew Goshawks for a good 15years, both from the fist and out of trees and never found it boring, it didn’t matter to me if she hit a rising pheasant out of a tree or if she bound to one after a 100yd chase straight off the fist….I still got that tingle down the back of my neck.

After the Goshawks I moved over to a Red Tail and had a brilliant 8 or so seasons flying her mainly out of trees and didn’t get bored once.

So I guess you’re right, it is an individual thing….