Lanner on Dove in the US?

[RyanSinTX]

Thinking about the possibility of flying an exotic and was wondering how a Lanner would do on Dove. I would go Barbary, but I don’t want a pursuit bird or something that’s going to chase over the horizon. I haven’t heard any good reports on Lanners from US falconers. Anyone in the States have much luck hunting small quarry with them?
Never enough room on the falconry permit thus the reason for going exotic (get an extra bird w/o the hassle from the USFWS/TP&W).

[Jack]

Ryan, it is a matter of legalities. You can have all the exotics you want, but to hunt with one you have to have it on your permit. That should apply only during the falconry only seasons, but I think it applies all the time.
Some years ago John Karger was going to breed me a male for snipe and dove hawking, but an owl killed his male breeder shortly after we talked about it and that was that. I really don't think that they have been given a real good shot here in this country. Most people love them for lure flying at shows. They are falcons and they eat other birds, so I would not consider them to be any less than say a prairie. I would like a male myself. I think that they are about the same as our prairie. Should be anyway. I was told the Saker would suck, but I found out that they make peregrines look slow and weak in flight compared. If you can afford one or can find someone that wants to get rid of one, You could kite train it to wait on if it doesn't already and with some judicious weight management I bet it would wear dove out. It would be fun as hell finding out.

Jack

[RyanSinTX]

I have a pile of collared dove here in FT Worth and unfortunately I know the regs, but hunting an exotic with an exotic is a fairly big loop hole (I missed my calling should of been a lawyer).

Couple this with incidental take, and I'm hunting dove year round and not even buying a hunting license. From a legal stand point this should be fairly solid.

I don't condone breaking the law and I intend not to, but how many game wardens know the difference between a Lanner falcon and a hole in the wall.
If a person wanted to risk hunting game with an exotic I'm guessing it would be fairly easy. My self however being a member of both state and national clubs would not want to risk giving my fellow falconers a bad name.

[Bird_Dog]

Bob Smith is the only lanner fanatic I know. I sure wish the guy from North Carolina would have brought his Aplomado out to my field for some dove flights. Oh well maybe next year.

-- Bird_Dog

[RyanSinTX]

Did Bob ever fly any or fly any successfully on game?

The only person I have seen breeding them is Steve Jenson in Utah. He also makes Prairie/Peregrines (from what I hear excellent dove falcons) for $500. Not sure if he has any Lanners this season, I haven asked yet.

[SharpTail]

Did Bob ever fly any or fly any successfully on game?

The only person I have seen breeding them is Steve Jenson in Utah. He also makes Prairie/Peregrines (from what I hear excellent dove falcons) for $500. Not sure if he has any Lanners this season, I haven asked yet.


Assuming that you mean Peregrine/Prairies, if so, friends have flow them for several seasons and they are fine game hawks. The P fund used to do these just for falconry and pass them around. I have seen several Falcons bash Mallards out of the air from tall pitches and heard of tiercles catching good numbers of sundrie birds, including doves. I watched one hammer a hen pheasant.

[RyanSinTX]

Assuming that you mean Peregrine/Prairies, if so, friends have flow them for several seasons and they are fine game hawks. The P fund used to do these just for falconry and pass them around. I have seen several Falcons bash Mallards out of the air from tall pitches and heard of tiercles catching good numbers of sundrie birds, including doves. I watched one hammer a hen pheasant.


Thread is moving away from the intent, I was actually asking about Lanners on dove or other small quarry.

I know Peregrine/Prairies are great game hawks, I was just commenting that they can be good choice for dove, and at a great price as well.

[SharpTail]

Thread is moving away from the intent, I was actually asking about Lanners on dove or other small quarry.

I know I was just commenting that they can be good choice for dove, and at a great price as well.

What were you commenting about?

[Bird_Dog]

He had one or two in the late seventies. Not sure about his success, tho. I remember asking about if I could go out flying but, I was just an kid. It seems like 500 is a good price. It would be interesting to try I think. You can walk up doves in the open fields on my place that's for sure.

Bird_Dog

Did Bob ever fly any or fly any successfully on game?

The only person I have seen breeding them is Steve Jenson in Utah. He also makes Prairie/Peregrines (from what I hear excellent dove falcons) for $500. Not sure if he has any Lanners this season, I haven asked yet.

[JFSeaman]

I have a log term plan (20 years) to try the lanner in a variety of hunting situations.

I intend to find out how the lanners are on all types of quarry available in the US and in all ways traditional flying for lanners, pursuit, waiting on and casts.

I have my breeding stock from good lines in England, I was going to hunt them here but was advised not to risk the breeders. So as soon as I make some I will be hunting with them.

[Greg]

Hi Fred,
Did you get that lanneret from Tom? I flew him for three months this year, hell of a bird to fly to the lure he cuts in so close he will hit you in the face with his wing almost every time!
See you at the CHC meet in Jan!
Greg

[Bluejay]

I have a log term plan (20 years) to try the lanner in a variety of hunting situations.

I intend to find out how the lanners are on all types of quarry available in the US and in all ways traditional flying for lanners, pursuit, waiting on and casts.

I have my breeding stock from good lines in England, I was going to hunt them here but was advised not to risk the breeders. So as soon as I make some I will be hunting with them.

Sounds interesting. I have flown a number of passage lannerets at doves in Africa with great success. I would love to hear how lanners do in the US at different quarrys and hunting situations. So please keep us informed on your progress. Are you allowed to hack your lanners were you are?

[SashMan]

Hi Fred,
Did you get that lanneret from Tom? I flew him for three months this year, hell of a bird to fly to the lure he cuts in so close he will hit you in the face with his wing almost every time!
See you at the CHC meet in Jan!
Greg
my lanner the same touches you with wing on nearly every pass ,my son was standing 30 feet away and wing got his ear , just need her to get this close to prey:lol:or closer

[RyanSinTX]

Sounds interesting. I have flown a number of passage lannerets at doves in Africa with great success. I would love to hear how lanners do in the US at different quarrys and hunting situations. So please keep us informed on your progress. Are you allowed to hack your lanners were you are?

I ended up taking a male Peregrine/Prairie instead of a lanner (much cheaper then a lanner here in the states).
We haven’t taken any doves yet, but he has knocked several out of the air and hit one on the ground. He’s footing ability still need some work. Noting but a puff of feathers so far on each strike. I’m guessing he will start to bind eventually

[Salty]

i had a lannerette witch i bred and flew to the lure for a demmo falcon he took out a collard dove in a field about 500 yards from me and never knew what he went after till i got over there he hugged the ground right on it went through a fence an all i saw was something rising and a cloud off feathers it was a matture collard dove , i think theyed be good quarry as theres more about now ect ,salty:supz:

[JFSeaman]

Hi Fred,
Did you get that lanneret from Tom? I flew him for three months this year, hell of a bird to fly to the lure he cuts in so close he will hit you in the face with his wing almost every time!
See you at the CHC meet in Jan!
Greg
Yeah, I've added little tommy to the breeding project. I have a female that is a good match to his size and coloration. Before they go into the chamber, I'll take pictures of the pairs. Perhaps even post them.

[Eagle-Eyrie]

lanners have been flown at dovs for many years here in african and some even became dove specialists, great hawking and good times had with these amazing falcons. i find that the lanneret is the better option for most falconry conditions( the males are able to take duck, gamebirds, snipe, doves etc and are not so particular in choice of quarry. i find the females fly well for a few seasons and then become rather lazy. i also think that the lanner is more intelegent than the peregrine and so often they out smart the falconer by becoming lure/pigeon bound if you are not careful. a good male lanneret is a bird perfectly suited to dove hawking and great sucsess would be achieved if persistent. one a few occasions whilst out on the hunting field we would be flying our cast of peregrines and toss out pigeons as baggies and the peregrines would stoop and then give up once the pigeon gains hight, but there was a particular male that was breeding in that area that would tail chase the pigeon and gain on it untill it was caught it would fly at the best birds and catch them with no effort at all. i think he got to know our movements and would wait for the pigeon to be tossed and then he would get a fairly easy meal.. eventually that lanner killed more of our pigeons than our trained falcons did and so had to stop flying baggies on that piece of land!they can stoop from great hights dispatching the quarry with one strike. in southern africa we are lucky to be able to trap passage lanners and they are the best for falconry as many people have had trouble with eyeases, but could be because we have had acsess to passage birds and not put in the effort to get a young bird to hunt sucsessfully. for doves a passage juv lanneret is ideal and here we ue them to grade up our falconers to a peregrine( in my oppinion it is easyer to fly a peregringe but flying the lanner first sets up the ground work and allows the falconer to learn the best way to hunt with high mounting falcons. it is a great stepping stone for the B grade falconers) i hope you guys have great sucsess and keep us posted.

good hawking

dylan