Crow hawking with male peregrine

[Haskins]

does anyone fly a male Peregrine at rooks and crows
and do you get much success, and what weight do they fly at.

[Corvid Killer]

i flew my imprint tiercel on my site last year he was ok on jackdaw and magpie but when he started on the crows it was a mistake i didnt want himto do , alas he bound to one and it got the better of him and nailed him in the back of the skull and it was all over !! dont start using a tiercel on crows they are very aggressive and fight back like hell, even my pere/sakers get into some scraps but they always win, and if they mobb he could be seriously injured or worse as my wee fellow was.
i find that rooks are much easier for the birds but if you cant garuntee no crows then dont fly black stuff with a tiercel its not worth the risk.
atb dave

[Hawkmaster]

What kind of weights are we talking?:D

[Corvid Killer]

my imprint was flying at 1.8-81/2:cry:

[WhiteTail]

Depends what you call crow hawking

Good crow hawking the flights should be long distance, ending hopefully in a high bind a good way off

The questions is.
Depending on how far you have to run, (ie how long the bird has to hold on for) before you can assist

hunting crows on a landfil does not qualify as crow hawking, as it is not uncommon for 400 crows to be feeding in a small location & as a result of one being nailed even the largest most powerful falcon who can handle crows with ease can be dead in a very short time with a pile of crows on her back

I flew a tiercel GyrXperegrine from Seth Anthony a few years back that was really small at 1.7, he was flown at singleton crows in open country and held them very well while i made the 1/2 mile run to aid him

I then flew a martin jones Gyrperegrine that was a monster at 2.lb and that regularly was beaten off crows and i only had to run 400yards in most cases
he was bare faced, bruised & just about lost the tip of every primary
He would nail a crow in the face & rip its head off in no time..
But it was quite common to have 20 + crows on his back even with me shouting & screaming 40ft away.

There are many sizes of crow in the UK
and the Big yorkshire crows are a handful, with the skinny landfil crows down south being backed up by a bunch of mates.

Im my opinion a tiercel peregrine weighing 1.3 will hold a decent size crow once it has a method
But as soon as 10 of its mates turn up i would hope that bird will bail FAST.

Hunting corvids is a risk.. that costs many people each year
But, it is If flown in good country, one of the more rewarding of pursuit falconry

[Corvid Killer]

Depends what you call crow hawking

Good crow hawking the flights should be long distance, ending hopefully in a high bind a good way off

The questions is.
Depending on how far you have to run, (ie how long the bird has to hold on for) before you can assist

hunting crows on a landfil does not qualify as crow hawking, as it is not uncommon for 400 crows to be feeding in a small location & as a result of one being nailed even the largest most powerful falcon who can handle crows with ease can be dead in a very short time with a pile of crows on her back

There are many sizes of crow in the UK
and the Big yorkshire crows are a handful, with the skinny landfil crows down south being backed up by a bunch of mates.

Im my opinion a tiercel peregrine weighing 1.3 will hold a decent size crow once it has a method
But as soon as 10 of its mates turn up i would hope that bird will bail FAST.

Hunting corvids is a risk.. that costs many people each year
But, it is If flown in good country, one of the more rewarding of pursuit falconry
very true whitetail, but our southern landfil crows are not little skinny things i weigh mine and i have had birds of upto 1.13 large males but not uncommon and my teircel was taken out without being mobbed it was one bird my site is surrounded by about 1000 acres of pasture and its great to get some good ringing flights even on landfill but i would not recommend a pere teircel for this sport.

[MattSpar]

Most tiercels refuse to fly rooks, though a (very) few will if given encouragement. Once wedded, they will fly rooks well, but consistent rook hawking tiercels have always been very few and far between. They seem to know the inherent danger in taking on such a quarry.
Only this past season, a friend of mine, an accomplished falconer with a wealth of rook hawking experience, tried to get an eyass tiercel interested in rooks. He failed.
Personally, I would never entertain the idea of trying one at crows.

[CotswoldRedtail]

I've just started taking rooks with a 3yr old Tiercel flying at 1.6 1/2 (he isn't exceptionally fit at the mo so that weight will up slightly)
He has the knack of holding them and so far hasn't been put off by the 50+ flock that gives him some grief every so often but then I'm on hand to help him out in that respect, being landfill they know me and my vehical and are quite wary of me. In response to the statement about "true" rook hawking, it depends, yeah ok you don't often see 50-100 birds out in the open country, but that doesn't detract from the flights. Even today he had a decent ringing flight that lasted a good 10mins (no kill tho :evil: ) but the point is if engineered right, the flights can still be spectacular and result in a clean and safe kill.

[Haskins]

thanks for the fast replies i fly a small female pere/saker and she struggles at most times,

i put this thread up because a friend said that a male pere would do the job and he has had sold three to people who do landfill sits,but had doubts my self that they would do the job.

[Haskins]

could a male peals pere be up to it, or is there not much different in size.

[Mark Collins]

Its asking a lot from a peregrine tiercel to take crows, good ones are high mounting and very stylish , why would you want to fly one at crows ??? lots of other more suitable falcons around, pere/sakers, pere/prairies gyr/sakers to name a few , mark.

[Haskins]

a freind of mine is looking to start crow and rook hawking but wonts a pere, so i said if thats the case then get a female, but while talking to another friend he said he has sold 3 males to people who clear land fill sites.

but thought it would be to hard to keep them on crows and rooks with out taking a write beatting so i put this thread up to see if anyone are flying males at crows and rooks.

[Haskins]

do many people fly female pere at rooks and crows,cause i fly a female pere/saker but are female pere up to the job.

[MattSpar]

do many people fly female pere at rooks and crows,cause i fly a female pere/saker but are female pere up to the job.

That's a joke right?

The female peregrine is the traditional tool to use as far as rooks are concerned. With careful planning before a slip, crows are well within their powers.

[TimDog80]

do many people fly female pere at rooks and crows,cause i fly a female pere/saker but are female pere up to the job.
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19486

[Yorky]

Summed already by others, Female Peres were the traditional tools for the sport and very succesfull. Have you thought of a Male Gyr x Pere if you really want a tiercel?
do many people fly female pere at rooks and crows,cause i fly a female pere/saker but are female pere up to the job.

[Haskins]

the bird is not for me its for a friend but he doesn't have the interent, and he wonts just a straight pere, also does anyone know if there will be a ban on hybreds in the close years to come.

[Jastreb]

That's a joke right?

The female peregrine is the traditional tool to use as far as rooks are concerned. With careful planning before a slip, crows are well within their powers.

Thanks for this post!

My question is next. I will probably start with some pest control on rooks. I thought to get pereXsaker out of Croatia and I have pure peres here in Croatia. So this 2nd is easier option to get a bird in this moment.
I would like to hear your opinion about pure female pere on rooks and crows and will be better for me to take imprint or PR bird?


Cheers Viktor

[CotswoldRedtail]

Summed already by others, Female Peres were the traditional tools for the sport and very succesfull. Have you thought of a Male Gyr x Pere if you really want a tiercel?

You'll not get much out of it in terms of size if u put gyr into pere,ive got a male g/s x p and its no bigger than a straight tiercel. May have more balls tho,ill let you kno when he's going.

[GameHawker]

does anyone fly a male Peregrine at rooks and crows
and do you get much success, and what weight do they fly at.

Female peregrine sakers making fantastic rook hawks. You risk serious injury to your tirecel if you decide to go down this road.

There are some that do but in my eyes there idiots

Carl

[Yorky]

There was a Similar thread on this subject last year started by me as I was looking for a Crow Hawk at the time. Gyr x Pere Males were highly regarded on flying at Corvids due to the additonal balls and speed the Gyr Element gives them and a slight size advantage, also they obvioulsy have the more pleasant tiercel personality. Due to their size they too can be intimidated and are a slightly harder bird to enter on the black stuff than a larger female with its additonal attitude. Also i think your mate should ignore the hybrid ban stuff, there are no indications from anywhere that this will happen (other than conspiricy theories). If he is hell bent on flying a smaller tiercel, get a Gyr x Pere.

[Craig S]

my little male would take them now and again, he would fly in opposite direction, gain some height and come back over the top of them then stoop at as if they where game, often from about 600 feet.

not proper crow hawking but abit of fun when partridge couldnt be found.
(he was only 1.3lb)

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

I have 2 Per/Saker females that are decent on corvid. But my best corvid falcon is a male Per/Saker @ 1lb 6 1/2oz.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w279/ayrshiretaxidermy/th_11012008017.jpg (http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w279/ayrshiretaxidermy/?action=view&current=11012008017.flv)

[Haskins]

fairplay mate he looks like a little cracker. did you find it hard to get him on them in the first year. and to keep him on them.

[AyrshireTaxidermy]

It took me a while to get him going, but once he had his first one, then it was no probs keeping him going.

[Rex06]

And how would a saker male or saker female do on crows and rooks ?
If u concentrate on black stuff only.

greetzz

[Saker Mad]

very intresting thread keep it up folks i fly a pure pere at black stuff and have just taken a male saker on for the same job apparently he is a proven crow killer but ill wait and see for my self before i make that judgement

atb
ian

[Haskins]

good luck mate. what weight does he fly at.:supz:

[Saker Mad]

1lb 6 oz aparantly and he is a cantacarous get to boot :supz: